HOW TO: Shift Positions on the Violin TUTORIAL
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I was taught by a Violin Tutor at School and stopped to take my GCE Exams.
He became a friend of the family. As a symphony orchestra violinist he taught me to about grade 6 but regrettably i did not take any grades.
I am now 76 and taken the instrument up again. I purchased Sevcik opus 8 but it is a little daunting in exercises . I need a system to move from 1st. to 7th or 8th. position.
I have purchased Williams Theme music Schindlers List and the the higher notes need finding. Also my vibrato is still in infancy.
Kind Regards, Alan
hi, im really glad you are learning from these videos. whilst they are no substitute for a personal and private tutor, they are the next best thing to it and its also good to hear how everyone is getting on and that my videos are actually working and useful!!
Thank you for commenting
Alison
Hi Alison,
I must thank you for these videos. I stumbled across these very useful clips as I've been defectively exercising my old violin skills. It's been 16 years since I did my last exam(gr.8) ! I moved to beautiful England from Canada and was unable to bring my Violin with me. But then last month a man just GAVE me a violin one drunken night and insisted that I should get back into playing. Your videos have helped me so much so that I have not given up and now plan on playing for a long time
I really appreciate this lesson on HOW TO: Shift Positions on the Violin TUTORIAL, been practicing my violin on and off i tend to forget some of the stuff i have learned from my violin teacher back then. it's a refresher.
Thanks for this I've been self teaching for about a year now and thought I'd try learning new positions other than first :) since I can't afford to get lessons, people like yourself are extremely valuable to me so I just thought I'd show my appreciation for your time and thoughtfulness. Thanks, you rock :)
i love my beautiful teacher and her eyes ,, love love love and great respect my beautiful teacher Alison
i know this is an old video, but information is still great, just a funny observation (i don't play violin yet, but i do play guitar)...you have what's called 'bendy thumb', i have it too and used to think everyone could do it (bend tip of thumb backwards) because it just comes natural to us hehe...try to remember that not everyone can do that so when you're teaching someone and say "just bend your thumb backwards and rest it on the neck" and they struggle, odds are they probably can't physically do it hehe
Thank you so much for your wonderful video ! I especially like how you take the time to stop and show us what your fingers are doing, not only from the front of the violin, but from the back as well. Looking forward to watching more of your videos ! Thank you for your great work.
thanks alison i really learn everday from you by watching these videos.i owe alot to you.thank you so much for these videos.😊you are really a very nice human being and helpful for people us.
Hey Alison, love your videos. Your suggestions are really helpful. I am learning to play again after 30 years in large measure due to seeing one of your videos on accident. I had forgotten how much I missed it and I have learned so much from you. Thanks ever so much. You explained Vibrato better than anyone!
Hi Alison, I am picking up piano and violin again. Took lessons for a while when I was young. I am finding your videos to be very useful. I find your communication skills to be excellent. I haven't gotten through all your videos but look forward to them and others in the future.
I doubly protected my Violin for the coming of 21st December 2012. 22nd December and my violin breathes fresh air again, and I am so glad to wish you A Merry Christmas and a Very Happy New Year 2013.
Now waiting for the next prediction of the End of the World when I will doubly protect my violin again !!!
God bless, Alison.
I love this tutorial. I laughed out loud wen you said "grip quite tightly(ish)"! Another great lesson. Thanks so much.
Thank you Alison from me as well as I am just starting out and really appreciate your instructions. On a side note, since I am an American guy, I hope it's OK as well to say that your hair looks gorgeous and along with your British accent, they only add to the whole learning experience. So much more refreshing that watching some old boring guy.
Looking forward to your next tutorial videos.
Thank You madam for this technique to hold violin between chin and shoulder while shifting to higher positions🎻🙏🏼
yes its normal. you will get stronger as time goes on. As long as the pain is not intense so much so that its abnormal or it doesnt go away, then there should be nothing to worry about. You should practise as long as you feel necessary. Its like asking how long is a piece of string? You should practise until you feel you have achieved what you need to. To start with anything from 30mins to an hour a day should be sufficient...hope that helps to get you started. Alison
Thank you. You go into so much more detail than other videos than I've seen.
I forgot how much I missed it. Now thanks to you (and your lovely nail polish), I am getting back into it without just a foggy memory to work with.
Basically, I wanted to thank you.
So...Thank you.
- Jess
You published this on my birthday...and you look great with you hair up! Thank you so much for the lesson...
thank yu so much Alison for the simplicity in your teaching. i guess it comes with a lot of patience too. i have to increase the practice hours though. will let you know how it comes..your methods are easy to follow. thanks. have a nice day!
Hi. To a certain extent. You will hopefully learn the basics which you can decide what to do from there on in. These lessons - or anyone's on UA-cam (including me) for that matter will not get you up to our standard for example, BUT what I aim to do is give you the best and correct understanding of the basics so that if you were to go to a private tutor, you will not have picked up ban habits or be told totally wrong as there is a lot of that here on UA-cam. Hope that helps? Alison
Hi! I just really wanted to thank you, you explain so clearly and with so much patience. Im a beginner and I have some mistakes yet, like not relaxing my thumb enough so this doesent allow me to move a lot. But Im practicing almost every day and trying to be constant. Sorry if I wrote weird :) Hugs from México!!
in all honesty because i dont have anyone to help me film, I find it hard to play in tune whilst looking at the camera and in the screen on the side of the camera to make sure not only Im in view, but my fingers and bow all are at the same time and doing all this whilst angling my violin at an awkward 45 degree angle - so you are correct. im trying my best to fix it though.
Viewers should be able to get the idea of the videos at the very least....
How wonderful for you to post this. I love my freshly acquired violin and I need these type of how to's so bad!!
very good teaching and to talk about shifting
Thanks! This was very useful - D major being "a bit out of tune" [sic], or not. Some people are really so ungrateful and downright graceless.
For some reason, sometimes, I tend to tighten my left thumb during vibrato and keep it tightened while shifting positions. The same for when I use the fourth finger. As a result the instrument slides under my chin towards my neck; and in order to stabilise it I raise my left shoulder. I prefer to play without shoulder support.
Thank you so much. It was a very useful lesson for me as a guitar player and a beginner violinist. Also you look so beautiful.
You could try to old the neck of the violin with the tip of your thumb which will therefore enable you to levitate the hand if you like up and over the strings enabling you to move freely into higher positions - hope that makes sense?
good question and one i think on ly a video can answer as it would take me many many messages to type out an answer! hope thats ok - keep you eyes peeled.....
Thanks, my teacher recently started me on this and it's great to have an online resource for it. I've been trying to go through the first measures in Sevick Op.8. I sort of can move to higher positions, but moving to a lower position is something I cannot do without stopping a moving. It doesn't sounds very smooth.
+D. Løan You are possibly not letting the hand move as a WHOLE. Its hard to do, but you sort of let go, move then carry on playing. All this is done in a split second.
You are really an excellent teacher.
Got it! Fiddling around finding high notes. A lot of this seems to be by ear?
Thank you for sharing this with me.
thanks for heart ,, Love u so much , my beautiful teacher one in million
Thnx a lot! Your videos are so helpful. I don't think I need a Violin teacher. 😊😊😊
Hi, I have been playing for a year now and I'm self taught. Your tutorials have helped a lot, thank you very much. I am practicing Bach's Partita 2 and Sonata 1 right now.
While changing positions I have that sliding sound (something like glissando). It does sound good in some emotional pieces but not all the time. Any tips for that ?
Apart from move quicker, not really.
Thank you! Your videos are so helpful !!!
That was my problem Lol:) Blessings Alison Love your Music!
Hi Alison I would really appreciate it if you make another video on positions with more details because they are very important, and I hope that you give me exercises on all positions or most of them at least.THANK YOU
Ah that makes shifting a wee bit clearer... was going to send you some bits from the violin book off amazon to get you to explain it a tad more..... but you just did :) ty
well whatever you can afford then. There are literally hundreds of brands so i couldnt advise on them all. I recommend the Stentor 2 and after seeing lots of students with various other violins i have narrowed it down to this one to make it easier to recommend a violin to everyone. The more you can spend, generally the beter it will be.
Brilliant video; thanks, Alison! I also enjoyed your one on vibrato. 🙏
Your tips are great. Thanks for showing us
actually I like that take on shifting while holding with your chin I haven't played in an orchestra in over 6 years and I lost out being in varsity because of shifting failure senior year the only reason I was able to hold a strong place in the upper first section was for the mere fact that all the music we were playing could be easily played in 3rd I asked a private instructor once how to shift into the higher positions and they said to release left thumb but you tend to more individual needs
ur right. Its just getting bogged down with semantics and picking holes in things that dont matter or pointless!You all get the idea and purpose of the vid was to show and educate, not for me to audition!
You need to loosen your grip in your L.H momentarily when shifting positions and the take the weight and strength of the violin under your chin so you are for a split second, holding the violin with your chin for support so the hand/fingers can shift happily into position. Does that make sense?
no, thank you for taking the time to comment and supporting me! Be sure to subscribe so you can keep up with all the latest info I have to offer you folks...:)) Alison
thanks and you are very welcome!! Alison
Thanks for the video!
Hi. In all honesty, its nothing to be concerned about. Its probably happening because 1. you are new at this, 2. you wont hear it when you come to do shifting properly as part of a song and 3. sometimes your fingers stick if they are sweaty lol! It happens to me sometimes, but nothing to be concerned about. would guess that when you get going on this and shifting in real pieces, it wont be noticed.
Let me know how you get on. Alison
its the UK way of establishing your musical education/knowledge. They range from grade 1 through to grade 8 then onto diplomas. If you reach grade 8 which usually takes 10-15 years (properly done i mean) then you have 'learnt' everything you need to learn, than after that you starter really learning to 'play' pieces when you take diploma exams.
you are talking about a chin rest and not shoulder rest? I have never seen a violin without a chin rest (the black thing that sits next to the tail piece on the front of the violin)
do you mean where can you print the music I use in videos from? All the links are under each video for immediate printing.
Its under the video tutorial i did for Echos only a few days ago. You will see it on my channel page. I will privately message you the book like anyway....
hi Miss Allison is so great i have you as a teacher on the violin an d little-bet piano i like you very much as my teacher i like the way you talk and the way you are very nice as a person and look any time i need help i look over your videos
Thank you. Very useful for me.
it should be continuous as if you were not even changing positions. You should not let position changes interfere with the sound and therefore bow. Hope that makes sense.
Yes, thanks! I think it all started because the edge of the chin-rest digs in to my jaw bone and hurts. I have been trying to "cheat" by tightening my grip in order to compensate for loosening my chin hold; and it became a habit. I must find a more comfortable chin-rest so that I would stop doing that.
Wow amazing 🙏🙏🎻🎻🎻💗💗
Thank you so much!!:))) i will look into it. your videos are so helpful i m sooo glad i found you!!! Thanks!:)
I wouldnt have thought so....ones hand doesnt really touch the violin much as its only the thumb and part of the index finger that has contact.
I would say though that i would be wary about having talc on the part of the finger that touches the string.
I shall do some further investigation and ask someone else for you and get back to you with a solution...Alison
Regarding shifting, could you comment on how you think about the fingerboard? For example, from first position, I'm learning second finger on the A string will be a C#... But should we memorize like that when we go to other positions, or should we visualize the board like a piano and just move to whatever position an then hit the note because you know that the F# on the A string is four whole steps and one half step from the nut? Do you have a video on what to think about when reading music that is in a higher position?
no i dont, because how i think will be far to different from everyone else and probably only be useful to a very small minority.
Memorise them how you feel best to memorise them as long as they are memorised.
I know thats no help at all, but as long as you know where the notes are in each position on each string, then you are good to go.
when i press from one string to another, i heard the string plucking.. it seems that the string is sticking on my finger tip.. how can i avoid this? thanks! :)
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i played the vioilin when i was in middle school 6th to 7th until we moved the change and the different school compleatly shooked me and i forgot about the vioilin tht was in 2010 im older now :P obvi lol and since a year ago or 2 i came across so many vids on youtube the spark inside tht i forgot i had lit up again, but its hard to remeber everything i learned back then , i want to play it again but its hard , Its a little odd because i watch you videos and i dont have vioilin XD , but you are agreat teacher and you just make me want to beg my mom and buy a vioilin but there so expensve i cant believe it 0_0 hopefull ill get one soon :( ... Your videos are really great , but it would be nice to see how a shift looks like on sheet paper also knowing when to change positions also written on sheet paper ??
+SophiaViolinist Classica I think i have a video about when to shift....
Atzyri Castillo if you are really interested to play violin i will give you a new one.
Hi Atzyri! Not sure if your still around, but I've been playing for years! And the way to read it on paper is the note with a negative sign(insert finger number here) above the note so that you can easily go back to your original position
First, Thanks for your huge effort :) Second , I'm an Egyptian beginner student and still can't find my 2nd and 3rd position ! Please would u speak more slowly to understand you ? (sorry for this stupid question but it's really my needed request) Thanks a lot .
Hi there, great video but I am having problems working out the notes in second and third position etc. I can playing in a number of keys in first but keep getting stuck when shifting to second. Is there a fingering diagram so I can learn them off by heart rather than trying to calculate them?
Tnx a lot , really i like your metod of teach.
oh...i tried playing without one cause it hurt my chin and neck and it felt alot better...but it did affect my playing a tad bit.. have you ever tried to play without one
Thank you. :) hope it works
that was actually very helpful...so thanks
Thanks!
hi, thanks for the video, when we shift position , the bow should always stay on the string and it will stop a bit?
yes, because you are checking me from a computer so the sound of my scale has already gone through my sound recorder and then onto and editing program then onto youtube then onto your computer - so yes, of course its false as the sound has degraded as its gone through all the processes.
i m lookin at buying a electric violin just to have fun with do you have any advice as to what i should look for? i am not a serious player im just having fun. so it wont have to be anything fancy... i subed:) you are amazing
One way to help with the instrument with non-smooth neck area is to buy some sort of wax and then send it with 6000+ grit sandpaper. I use paste wax on my cheap instrument, but violin makers actually use beeswax around that area.
well it should be the same action, but faster and you will become more adapt as time goes on and you get better.
it's extremely difficult to play on the g string in 3rd position . Can you include some tips on how to do this. I've been playing for about 5 years , only 1st position for jigs reels etc so g d and a and no vibrato but would like to learn more . Thanks for the videos Peter
I do believe I have already done a video on this.
hey, at 2:53 there's a 5-second corruption of this video. Is there a way to fix it?
I dont know - this video is over 2 years old now. It was fine at the time. I dont think i said anything super important anyway....so you didnt miss much,
@grace li As I said to the previous person, there is absolutely nothing I can do about this now. Its over 6 years old!
Alison to rescueeeeee!
Hi, yes, see my violin lesson 9 video (YT wont let me link it here) I have some pdf's of the notes on the violin. You just move your fingers up one each time - which im sure you know already. You could print it out and have it handy....although its better to really work it out the hard way im afraid as your brain will never remember what goes where as you will always have the sheet to rely on. I know im telling you off teacher style, but its true lol& it will be better for you in the long run :)
Alison,
I wanted to thank you for the videos. I do have a question. I started a couple of weeks ago with the violin and my shoulder (left) with which I hold the violin seems to get sore or tired. Is this normal?
How often and for how long should I practice?
whats your budget? If its too low, then you are better off getting a wood violin as cheap electric violins are just awful and not nice to learn with.
I have a question. I have really short fingers, therefore reaching fifth position notes are a bit of a challenge. is there anything i can do to make it easier?
Im not an expert but I like to put tape down on where the first finger would be in the higher position and quick alternate high notes with the lower notes... I then jam in that scale and learn quickly if I am off key or not...
lol lol it happens oh well. I died laughing. referring to your blooper in the comments section. I won't dwell as I'm sure you have already heard about it. I got tears in my eyes from that one. just ..... faster we love you girl have a great week.
thanks for the videos :D
difficult to quite tell, but it needs more 'rolling' action to make it flow a little more, but its coming along...
Alison how can we understand if song is in first , second or third position ??
Do you have a video that kind of gives an overview of the different "grades" and what is generally expected for each? (I am a beginner- obviously.)
+Rebecca Biedler No i dont - the reason being is that the vast majority of my subscribers are outside of the UK so there would be little point in me going to the effort to make a video on grades, besides that info is readily available all over the internet if you do a search on Google.
I was wondering what happened to the new book you had come out with? I do not see it anymore.
ii've got a question im sure other self taught people out there do too when they are looking at sheet music ..how do you know while looking at sheet music when to shift like ledger notes out of the stave do you shift for that? a sheet tutorial would help clear that out
when the notes go above the ledger lines, then you need to go into position, but depending on the music will depends on what position and what fingers you use when you are there. Its why i cant really make a video on that as it depends entirely on the music in question.
Let's see the titanic song there are quite many places where the notes just jump off the normal stave lol so if maybe you could associate the actual movement with a sheet example we'll all find it a lot more easier
I'm moving out of state soon and I'm looking for a violin to buy before I do. Where I take lessons, violins are given to us for free. The thing is, the violin given to me now is one I love (a Franz Hoffman Amadeus) and the only one I have ever had experience with. Should I buy an Amadeus or take my chance with a different brand?
Also, both of my cellos are Franz Hoffman Amadeus' as well, so...
Madyson Weaver I dont know anything about the Hoffmans im afraid. Perhaps someone else here can help you?
Oh, okay. Thanks anyway. :)
I have a similar problems because I have short fingers, I am not quite sure what you are referring to.
thanks mam very good class
Very useful!!!
Would you recommend applying some wax under where the thumb slides
+danngerify No. You dont need to.
yes, im planning too....
if you go to your local music store and tell them that they can help you. my parents bought me a fiddle for christmas two years ago and they spent $110.00 and it is a really good one. sounds good and stuff. it came with a case nd everything too. sooo id just go to your music store and see what they have:)
Maam should we press the strings realy hard to get another tones
Hi! Allison thanks for all your upload video I really want to learn how to play violin what is the name of your site where I can print the script. Thanks a lot :-)