Post Office legal chief accused of 'lying' to prevent a 'cascade of criminal appeals'
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- Опубліковано 18 кві 2024
- Rodric Williams has been accused of “lying” after failing to admit that the Post Office feared an Alan Bates victory would lead to a “cascade of criminal appeals”.
Referring to Mr Bates’ group litigation order which ended in a High Court victory for the former sub-postmaster and 554 others, Edward Henry KC asked: “The Post Office was fighting the GLO tooth and claw because you all knew that if you lost the civil litigation a cascade of criminal appeals would follow didn’t you?”
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Mr Williams replied: “I don’t recall turning my mind to that time, no.”
Mr Henry said: “I suggest you’re lying. There was a strategy in the GLO which was coordinated with the pending appeals, wasn’t there, fight it at all costs?”
Mr Williams answered: “There was certainly discussion around appeals over the common issues judgement at that time, yes.”
Mr Henry asked: “Even recuse the judge to put a spanner in the works?”
Mr Williams replied: “Post Office made an application to recuse the managing judge, yes.”
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The look on his face when he’s accused of lying. He’s lying through his teeth. They all are as well as all having selective amnesia.
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Not only does it break him when he's called a liar, he looks around waiting for the chair to jump in and call out Mr Henry for being inappropriate, then he breaks a little bit more when he realises he just been left swinging in the breeze. Should be a BBC ident.
@@chroobs I thought exactly the same thing. Given that Sir Wyn has only intervened a couple of times during the last two days - and then only to get Williams to concede a point because he was clearly exasperated by his obfuscation with Jason Beer KC - it shows just how deluded this fool is if he thought Sir Wyn was going to defend him in any way. 🙄
I replayed that bit 10 times lol
@@chroobs Oh yes, legal people dont like the use of the term 'lying' even though they do it all the time.
I cannot believe this guy's flippant attitude. People have died as a direct result of his, and the PO's actions. It's a disgrace. I sincerely hope he goes to prison. For a long time.
Having watched this appalling excuse for a lawyer over the last two days, I seriously hope Sir Wyn reserves a special mention for him in his final inquiry report. His conduct was contemptible and shocking: using umpteen time-wasting tactics and laughing inappropriately - so disrespectful to all the wronged SPMs, but particularly to Jo Hamilton who was present. He was CLEARLY in the middle of this cover-up by POL - many of the documents shown to him categorically prove this - but if they'd put a black piece of paper in front of him, he would have sworn it was white. Good for Ed Henry KC calling him out for what he is - a LIAR!
If proven this warrants a lengthy jail term!
All the guilty have to go to prison for this, they covered up the fact that they sent innocent people to prison to save themselves.
Worse, I don’t think it was to protect themselves as much as the deficient Horizon system and the Brand that senior management cared so much about.
All the bosses have lied to try to cover up knowing Horizon system was faulty.
This guy should be in jail
This man's evidence at the tribunal was appalling,insulting,hugelydisrespectful. Morally and professionally bankrupt of an decency. Deliberate time wasting,laughing,sniggering. Asking for questions to be repeated multiple times. I'm at a loss to describe such a "human ". Narcissistic doesn’t cover it. Criminal? Evil personified. Should never again be anywhere near anything to do with prosecuting anyone. What motivates such an individual.
Entitlement .
He was wasting time flicking through his binders, saying he didn’t understand the question, or the question was too long, verging on being very disrespectful during the enquiry. I would agree with Mr Henry and suggest Rodric Williams was lying throughout his testimony. Full credit to Enquiry legal team and Core Participants legal teams. (What a dreadful individual.)
Totally disrespectful . Hope he gets charged with perjury . Spell in prison may help is terrible memory.
Trouble is he's not the only one
He was wasting time, thinking of an obscure answer or plain panicking - hence the loo break after the afternoon bull dogs started on him
When he said im not a criminal lawyer, an accountant ,,it was 11 years ago, i wasnt involved etc, and the laughing inbetween , i was raging.
Still in a job with PO ltd and Uk taxpayers paying his wages and pensions . Gardening leave from tomorrow?
What an endurance it was listening to this person for 2 days, but it has to be done.
I agree. I was shouting very rude words at my screen by this afternoon. He's beneath contempt.
It was exhausting.
De Beere looked like he was going to jump over his desk, go over and do him a mischief lol
@@palemale2501It's one of the qualities I admire in Jason Beer KC - his ability to remain calm and polite, but express his displeasure with a witness in subtle, patronising ways (like explaining to this idiot the meaning of the word "summary" 😂). I suspect Williams' ears will be burning tonight!
@@kayfj4903 Yup he is brilliant - the way words sound and the very slightest of looks - but the transcript will show none of this.
Looks like everyone of them have taken advice from the Post Office legal team and been told to say the standard " can't recall, don't remember, I wasn't aware of that!" 🙄
It makes them look guilty , cant wait till tuesday Susan Crichton in the chair .
time these were taken to court and some prison time handed out
Correct, it won't take long for the jury to reach a guilty decision after hearing the prevarications of these 'inhuman' people. Bring it on!
That shook him to the core! Get this in a criminal court and he is done for!
Terrifying watching someone who has dug such a deep hole for himself, the more he struggles the deeper he sinks. Game over….
He still works at the PO snd is dealing with SPM compensation claims. Unbelievable.
Let me get this straight: This guy is currently head of legal. He has worked alongside Jarnail Singh. I mean, case closed. That explains for sure why Second Sight got fired and why it took 10 years to overturn wrongful convictions. Police, please take over!
What a pitiful lying excuse of a man, almost as bad as Jarnail SIngh.(we'll see him again soon)
One is Post Office head of Litigation, other is a conveyancer as head of Criminal Prosecution.
Both are over promoted, arrogant, ignorant of law, wrong field and unworthy.
Can anyone imagine a conversation between these two (Singh & Williams, subordinate & boss)?. A transcript of one asking the other the time would run to 2 or 3 pages.
I hope Jarnail Singh is going to receive a few questions where his evidence last time will be compared to what other witnesses have said, and there are a few conflicts. The worst thing about this is that there will be a lot of the lower level people who deserve to be questioned, but there just isn’t the time.
Jail him! 15 years seems about right?🤔🤬
Then exile him back to his home land
When I know my 5 year old son is lying and I call him out on it, he makes the exact same face as this guy.
These guys all need to see the inside of a prison for a long time
He not only did that. He co ordinated stopping a failed witness giving evidence at future trials so the trials wouldn't collapse. He was also privy to information of p.o. outside counsel wanting to shred evidence and never reported the fact to his seniors in the post office
Naughty boy
What a slime ball
This Guy has got Serious Problems.
He was putting on the performance of his life ,to save his skin, dont think it worked.....
even when shown evidence of cover-up & failure to disclose information or document he wouldn't accept it. A very unconvincing witness. Shown written proof he won't accept the logical conclusion. Couldn't answer who was making decisions to instruct outside legal counsel.
The PO was spending money like water on lawyers & no one was accountable & the government entirely absent to exert any control.
He should go to prison. Criminal justice should be for every one without exception. No animal farm please!
Lock him up
Surely this inquiry will lead charges and hopefully prison sentences for this shower of wrong un's.
If these were we’re relatives I couldn’t talk to them again , load of snides .
uk has this mess and usa has trump... pity us all
Both the UK and US have suffered an unending crisis of terrible, corrupt and compromised leadership for decades now.
Tony Blair oversaw the murder of weapons-inspector David Kelly to disencumber the government from a "troublesome priest" who was hindering their illegal war.
David Cameron cheerleaded and oversaw the mutilation of Libya
Bill Clinton was/is a rapist, the entire Bush family is a gang of war-profiteers, Obama was just a front for the same interests as Bush, Blair, Clinton, etc.
Then there's the clown car of Conservative cretins whose unsuitability for power is now apparent to all, sadly too late.
One wonders if the country would have been better had Corbyn actually won.
For all his many faults, the man at least has some integrity.
It begs the question of the PO ‘Why go to litigation?’
If the PO wronged the post masters admit it and pay up.
If the PO believe that they have not wronged the postmasters then by all means litigate - Ergo the post office must have believed (we now know erroneously) they had not wronged the postmasters.
The only other explanation is the PO knew they had wronged the postmasters but were trying to weasel their way out of paying/guilt - via litigation.
I think if its hard for us to endure , must be 100 times worse for all the Post master and mistresses.
I’d be interested to know how much the government new given the Horizon contract, Post office sale and peerages 🤔🤔
If they said sorry, what we did is wrong I might not be thinking they belong in jail. But no chance of that.
Wow....must have been one of very few of his answers that wasnt .. erh...I dont rr rr rrecall 🤔
If these POL people/representative avoid criminal proceeding against them or at least, striking off in professional disgrace then there is no hope for justice. The level of forgetfulness/dodging answers/time wasting and utter contempt in which they held the subpostmasters and even the Inqury itself is incredible. What hope does anyone have against professionals with privileges and get out of jail cards. Even some of the questioning has been a little bit tame at times.
They'll all get away with Or give a low level up as a scapegoat
These people have got to be jailed but doubt they will!
What a weasel….
He even looked like one with those teeth
If this how corporate lawyers work. Imagine what they are doing we do not know about. Called a liar didn't even blink, he should be in parliament.
They'll all get away with it, they are part of the "BAR" public school club, untouchable top ruling crust and get a bonus as well.
This is Thatcher's legacy. This is the culture SHE bred.
Mmm Most if this debacle happen in Labour Blair/ Brown time
The only reason this has seen the light of day was because of the dramatisation. If every serious corporate wrong was dramatised there'd be no room for anything else
WoW ! From the bottom to the very Top and Everyone in between...
" I suggest your lying ". Oooo his face tho ....he didn't like that !
Long long term imprisonment
RW is sooo fooked!! Just lovely to see
All of these people will get away with their lies, they are part of the club.
De Beere looked like he was going to jump over his desk, go over and do him a mischief lol
According to Williams mischief means, a giggle.
Prison time 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Rats deserting a sinking ship. For someone in his position he doesn't know much does he.
Disgraceful.
Take back the fee he was payed by the post office for telling lies and put him in prison
He ought to be in a remake of Aliens, playing a verysin character, as hes a right Burke
What ta lot of rubbish. He needs to be arrested why have know one been arrested yet from this. it's bizarre. & Disgusting. The government doesn't care about the small people. Paula the head honcho she better get jail time or life time she deserves that for what her & cronies done.👹
What a creep.
This stinks 😐
They need to be in a court room
Good yes🎉❤🎉
Jail him
They should all go to prison for all the lives they ruined.
Tragic!
What a weird individual I couldn’t believe what I was seeing and hearing from this alien
How does he look his family on the eye
They are all "being economical with the truth," aren't they ??😂
What they have done to these people is disgusting each and everyone of them need to prosecuted and sued personally
They are all in it but who is the big cheese pulling the strings. Someone had to come up with this idea and was prepared to send lots of people to jail.
Yep he's lying ... send him down!
So: Stocks or gallows for those responsible?
Gallows 😂
I can definitely see that if the Met Police fail to prosecute these people - and achieve jail terms - there will be an amount of civil disobedience as a result.
Most probably the janitor will be jailed
Arrest the lot even government and home office crap
This Nerd also claiming the line of “I don’t recall” which is becoming so over used
The calibre of this post office lawyer 😂wow no wonder it all went to s£&t
Well spoken lier
It’s a joke for laughing boy*
what a great supine protoplasmic invertebrate jelly.
why are the post office still employing him
Because he's a useful idiot. His performance today is exactly what they wanted - admit nothing. (They'll probably give him a bonus. 🤬)
He looks punch drunk
😂😂😂
this was actually a very bad edit of what happened today and the statements made. The witnesses detailed in length how the telegraph itself was responsible for misinformation that was raised due to the post office's lies. The witnesses explain how this occurred due to orders given to them by elected officials. Very disappointing to see that the point of view of subpostmasters is still being denigrated
Where is Kate Middleton?
Fr
Recovering from a serious operation and trying to avoid stupid online trolls, at a guess.
Criminals
If he was innocent, he’d never let the term liar, levelled against him.
what a shitshow 😂
Lock him up
Lock him up