Tesla Solar 1 year Review Cost and production numbers. Worth it?
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- Today I go over our "savings" from Tesla solar along with our production numbers for the first almost year of use.
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Thank you. I appreciate you making time to reply.
Thanks for the update Rick take care of yourself and family and be Blessed ❤️.
Thanks, you too Michael! Happy New Year.
Thank you Rick. Your video helped especially the comparison. It would be interesting what's the effect during rainy months.
Thank you! I'll have to try and put something together looking at the production during our monsoon. Hard thing is even during rainy months we still get pretty good sun.
Great stuff Thank you Sir.
Thank you very much, great to hear that the info was helpful.
G’day from Australia, solar is extremely popular down here and with that we have a problem with Grid Voltage Power Reduction. Where by the inverter reduces the output to the grid because the voltage from the utility is too high usually over 250v we use 230v down under. So when it (GVPR) cuts in, which can range from seconds to hours we see the same in our bell curve. If the line voltage stays constantly high the inverter shuts down until such time as it is back in the ideal parameters. I run a Fronius inverter and PW2 and just over 5kw of solar.
Hello and thank you for taking the time to give such an understandable description of what may be going on with my system. I really appreciate it!
Great video, very descriptive. I've done the math several times over the years, and solar would coat me MORE than the average of what im paying the utility company. Even though my hone is fairly large at almost 2700sqft, i do my best to be smart and conserve energy. In the winter (Nov- March) my electric bill averages $100 or less. I can get some high bills in the summer running the AC (i live in a HOT climate in the CA San Joaquin valley) but the higheat ive ever had was $600. When i average it out my monthly electric only utility bill averages a little under $200. The cheapeat solar system contract i was offered was about $250 a month. With the rising cost of electricity from the utility, there might come a time when solar would save me money, but it hasn't gotten to that point yet.
It has gotten a bit better over the years as prices come down a bit, but it is still going to take me about 12 to 14 years to pay off my system. Then, I may be looking at repairs or decreased production... It is nice to have a bit of a hedge against utility prices going up but solar is still too expensive. Thanks for your post!
Thanks! Definitely going to install myself. Hopefully that doesn’t void warranty
You are going to install your own system?
@@AZdroptop yeah 100% think I’ll just get the Tesla wall. I’m in the south so need ones that track the sun.
Very cool. I do like have the power walls for sure.
Hi Rick, and thanks for the update! Hope all has been well with you - have you done the math on the savings with charging your vehicles from solar (vs the cost of gas in an ICE vehicle)? Here in Ireland it is a HUGE savings...we have access to home chargers that take excess energy from solar and pump them into the ev (after our batteries are filled). Take good care!
Hi Kevin, thank you for watching along. We are doing great so far in 2024. :). Hope you are well also. Ireland is a place I would like to visit one day.
I have not tried the "charge on solar" feature as of yet, but will play around with it one of these days soon. I do really like the powerwalls!
@@AZdroptop thanks for your reply! We have a charger called a Zappi - they are super popular here and in the UK and they have been a game changer for the market over here. In the summer we do not pay to charge our car at all, which is super nice. Petrol here is about 1.70 per liter so owning an ICE can be pretty expensive if you drive alot (which we do!). Keep up the great work, I was a huge Subaru fan until we relocate here from Austin...the Subaru market is pretty slim in Ireland as the pricing is NUTS. And that's a shame as an AWD Subaru is made for these Irish roads. My fingers are crossed that Subaru will release an all electric Outback someday... thanks again!
Wow, that is quite the change from Austin! Very cool though. Thank you for the info on the charging system, always interesting to learn about what other countries are doing. Crazy to hear Subaru is so pricey over there. They are such good vehicles. Subaru's venture into electric has not been impressive so far. :). The most recent one is quite expensive for the range it delivers. Take care and thank you again for watching and commenting.
Great update! I want solar, but my electricity is so cheap that the loan would cost more even with the tax credits. Therefore, holding off for now. It would be nice to have power walls, but pricey. I can’t justify the cost and have it charged by the grid.
Hey Brandon, totally understand that! Hope all else is going well these days. Happy New Year.
@@AZdroptop Happy New Year too!
I am considering using Tesla Solar with two Powerwall 3. I look forward to your content to see how my system performance compared to yours. My home is in the Rio Rico area.
Very good. I hope it works well for you.
Great cost analysis - thank you!
We just got a similar system installed this week.
Two additional considerations of owning the Power Walls, which have some monetary impact are backup and UPS functionality. If I set myself up with a typically gas-powered backup system (e.g. Generac), it'll cost me at least $ 10K for a minimalist system (some outlets), and more like 20K for a whole house system. I would deduct that from the net cost at least if you live in an area where that is useful to necessary. Another advantage of the Powerwall is that it seamlessly goes into standby. This is a smaller saving, but not having your computer or networking equipment go out during an outage or even a brief "blip" typically requires the installation of Uninterruptible Power Supplies (UPSs). Decent consumer-grade ones are typically $100-200/PC or network location, or where you need it.
Thank you very much and good insight on the powerwalls. We do have minor outages during our monsoon season, but thankfully nothing long-term.
To round off the year of production we system produced 867.8kWh in January, fairly cloudy around here, and 806.6kWh through February 24.
Overtime I would anticipate that the system will become less efficient, particularly the batteries. You have to also factor in direct and indirect repair and maintenance costs. 14 year upfront cost recoup is optimistic at best. I would anticipate a lot longer
That is a good point for sure. Everything becomes less efficient with age. I do have the feeling TEP will continue to raise prices so they may help in softening the upfront cost.
My barn is metal and I’m wondering why they don’t like to put solar collectors on the metal building. I’ve decided to put my collectors in an open field underground, and I can crank the angle according to the seasons. Thanks for sharing.
I'm not really sure. I would have liked to put them on mine as well. Must just be the way they like to mount their panels I suppose. Good luck with your system.
Do you have electric heat? If so winter 2023 increase was most likely due to that as it was cold and rainy in Jan and Feb
We have natural gas heat at our current home.
What about maintenance of the system… cost? And is that something you can do yourself?
The only maintenance I am doing these days is keeping the panels clean. I think my biggest concern is the inverter going out after the warranty, but hopefully by then they will be cheaper. The whole system is covered for 10 years and has the following as well: Your solar panels are guaranteed by their manufacturer to at least 80% of nameplate power capacity for at least 25 years
Rick, assuming you took out a loan for your power wall, does the savings outweigh the loan payment?
Hi, we actually paid up front and we are looking at 12 to 14 years for the savings to ‘cover the cost’ of the whole system. If rates go up it will be a bit faster.
I was quoted $50,000 for 11kWh and battery backup. I would save about $130 a month. $50,000 in a decent 401k would return $4000.00 per year or $330 per month in 401k gains.
That's crazy. Honestly I'm looking at 12 to 14 years before I "pay mine off", so at this point it is just a hedge against higher prices vs really saving money.
How much is the connection fee each month for your electric company? I hear people still pay a connection fee
Just looked over the bill. There is a "basic service and connection fee" of $12.00. A "renewable energy standard tariff" charge of $6.47. Those are the only relatable charges that I see.
Have a certified electrician a master go through your system.. you may have some poor connection points.. even the manner in which a wire is prepped can cause issues.. over all.
Rick, what is the brand of the solar panels they installed? Do you happen to know?
I looked all over my purchase paperwork and could not find anything specific about brand. I did find online that they use Q cells as its panel brand but I can't say if that is still the case. Sorry I can not be more helpful.
Tesla uses Hanwah panels with 405w.
Thank you both
Was 2 power walls enough to cover your TOU peak hours?
Yes. They have worked out very well and we have whole home backup including the AC. The Model Y does not charge off of the powerwalls, but we charge it during non peak hours.
Did you finance it through Tesla and if so what length of loan did they offer
HI, no, we paid for it up front.
How many fuses were used to install your system? Thank you
I am not entirely sure. Do you mean in the electrical panel?
Yes sir
They put in a 50 amp and a 30 amp. One is for the solar part, the other for the powerwalls.
That sounds pretty expensive. In Ireland the same system except for 2 powerwalls and just a 5 kWh battery was only 11,300 euro in Ireland 9100 with grant . What’s happening in the us that it costs so much for installation
Not sure really. Like everything it is all about the money I guess. :). With out the powerwalls and with the tax credit my system would have been 12,000 US so I guess it is close in price. And it is a 9.6 kW system.
@@AZdroptop yeah I guess you are buying the best also which does come with a premium. My system is 9.6kw also but fairly oversized for the inverter which is only 5kw which is max for Ireland. But oversized to get most of miserable weather 😂. I’d say yours is not a bad investment because Tesla will continue to improve software and features to make the most of your system such as virtual grid which you may be able to earn more from with the large battery. Good luck and I hope all goes well with the setup.
Thank you so much! Best to you as well and thank you for watching and commenting.
Solar Panels getting too hot can cause "inefficiency"
Thank you! It definitely seems to be heat related.
Photovoltaic [panels like cool to cold days with clear sunny skies.. temps matter,,,, cool panels produce more .,
That is for sure. Thank you for your replies and suggestions! Much appreciated.
Can you just post the numbers? thank you
I have the chart with the numbers in the video? Did they not come through? I can send it to your email if you want to send me a quick message to azdroptopyt@cox.net.
Gee... Me trying to get 10.3kW Tesla Roof system today is $150k
Just a regular Maryland Home.
Seriously!!! Wow. That is crazy. I guess inflation is hitting everything hard these days.
Are you in AZ?
Yes I am.
15,000 u can diy a system whay bigger and no bill.
Good to know thank you.
Am I reading the chart correct you're still paying for electricity and paid 40,000 out of pocket?
Pretty much yes. 38,000 before about 12,000 in tax credits. We had the Volt, but not the Tesla prior to the design of the system so that accounts for some of the electricity cost. I am interested to see how much we have, if any, after February, March and April. Currently we are producing about 43kW hours a day when it is sunny. It is going to take sometime before we recoup the cost for sure.
@@AZdroptop Interesting , 40 k with a modest 5.4% return in 10 years is 67k plus.
You are not wrong. We shall see how this year goes with it. If we don't have a change in Washington I see energy prices going higher and higher so that will help pay it off quicker. Fingers crossed energy prices tank January 2025. Real out of pocket cost after the tax break will be around 28,000.
Square feet of home? Powerwall 2?
About 2500 and Yes, powerwall 2's.
@@AZdroptop thank you
Don’t buy battery backup just buy a Tesla and use the battery as you home backup. Cyber truck is like 8 x or more power packs.
You can’t charge while using the CT as a backup yet
My Tesla can’t be used that way. What Tesla do you have that can be used as a two way battery?
@@danparish1344 currently only the Cybertruck is able to do that right now, but I believe that they are all capable of doing that and it might just be a software fix but if it’s a hardware fix and obviously that would be way more involved . I have a cyber truck, and it Has 123 kWh, whereas battery packs are around 10 to 15 KW. Installation is required ,If you go on the Tesla website it’s a $2500 for the unit, this will be needed In order for the truck to be able to do so which is included in the truck purchase .
250 bucks... my bill is 500 to 700
Yikes! Where do you live? Our most expensive over the summer would be around 400.
CANNOT STAND the way he stops talking to swallow! So irritating!
Thanks.
why dont you install more panels? double them, you have a lot of room on the roof and the savings too.
I went with what Tesla recommended and as it stands now I am looking at 12 to 14 years to cover the cost of the system unless utility costs skyrocket. Adding more panels would cost a significant amount of money especially with the current inflation from the last couple of years. Sell back in AZ is almost nothing so it doesn't really make sense at this point.
@@AZdroptop would you be able to set none tesla panels into your system? meaning cheaper? would they let you or voids the warranty?
I am honestly not sure if they would allow that or not. If I went through them I imagine they would be willing to do it.