Our first REAL look at the 2025 KTM 390 Adventure R | ADV UPDATE
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
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KTM have showcased the 2025 KTM 390 Adventure R at they latest adventure rally in the USA. While no official specs were released of the little adventure bike. We did get our best look yet at the 390 thanks to some great photos from the event. Lets get into what we can see both good and bad and whether this bike is going to be a success.
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Agreed, this looks way better than the current 390 and more like a rally bike.
It's arriving a little too late to market as Royal Enfield and CFMoto have been collecting customers for some time now.
As a 390 owner, I feel both if thdie bikes are too heavy to be called "small" or "light."
This looks like it probably be heavier than the current 390, but probably well under the competition. - Frank
I don't know how they make modern bikes so heavy. The first GS was an 800 twin with a shaft drive and steel tank and it was 167 dry.
@@gasdive if you put the bikes of the 80's and 90's on a scale it's often another story. But, the 600-650 singles of that time were probably comparable to this 390. Back when aluminum was considered exclusive and triple clamps were cast iron, swingsrms were iron etc...
They get them built in china or india to add weight. This bike looks like it will be heavier than a DR650 built 30 year ago.
@@Graeme-r2f i guess they fill the frames with industrial waste they want to get rid of or something.
Yes, baffling!
You have to take into account that this, CFMoto, RE all are built to a budget that means heavier. Bonus of this is being a KTM is that there will be tons of light AL parts on the aftermarket. Also the 390 ADV is 172 wet/158 dry. This will be in that 175 wet range and I bet an extreme aftermarket diet could get it to 160-165.
If Suzuki do release the rumoured 2025 DRZ with fuel injection and a wider ratio gearbox (at least), then this thing will have some very tough competition. Based on the DRZ patent, it looks like all Suzuki have done is add FI, changed the plastics and maybe updated the gearbox. None of that will make the DRZ as heavy as this will be. That said, I will not be selling my DRZ434E with a rally fairing.
Never once cared about a display on a motorcycle.
Why is everyone whining about the low exhaust? A KTM 450 Rally has an underslung exhaust pipe, just the end can is high, never heard Toby Price complaining about it? It's an exhaust pipe not a snorkel, it can blow bubbles to it's hearts content through a water crossing. No burnt and melted luggage though is a big plus.
Just don't stall it while you are in 3 feet of water...
You could have added today's video footage of climbing mountain.
Just give me a 690 adventure already
rumours are it comes with a 1 year subscription for a garmin inreach mini for when the camshaft fails in the middle of nowhere
Hey mate , that was a bit of a cheesy toasting of KTM😊
Wrong engine
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This not tat engine bro it's Bajaj engine
😂😂
switch gear has cruisecontrol controls, a few photos floating around on forums with close up of the switch gear. That is a big win over the Himi450 and the CFMoto. There is also the enduro 390 model coming too. THis will probably be my next bike, would have loved tubeless rims, but will take cruisecontrol over tubeless rims any day
Who cares , the whole cruise control on motorcycles is not necessary at all or something manufacturers should be accommodating
They've typically not changed much about the characteristics of the engine, and that was the biggest issue I had with it off-road (more than ergonomics or suspension). 1st is too short/aggressive, second is also short, 3rd will stall too easily. It's difficult to ride anything technical.
My 890 is in surgery with only 2,950 miles and cam issues. My 12,000 mile 690 Enduro R is excellent and no faults
I have almost 30k kms on my 701, no issues as well.
@@alexanderzhulin3528 I have a 701 in the UK bought with 2,000 miles. Other than the Euro 5 throttle issue it’s been fine except the clutch slips which I suspect is an issue with the previous owner. Annoying but not a catastrophe. I bought it to replace the 890 being much lighter and skinnier.
19000miles on my Husqvarna 901 & no issues , valves still within spec and no visible cam wear , going to pick it up from dealer today........ that said though if Husky took this 390 Adventure platform with the 701 engine & suspension id put my money down for it today right fffff'''ing NOW
I'm eagerly waiting for this bike and the variants, it's possible this will be my first Enduro/dual sport/ADV and second bike in the garage!
It looks like the DRZ we have all been waiting for! 😄
Great to have so many choices in this class now.
Ride safe 👍
id sure LOVE to see a 690/701 engine in this chassis , if Husqvarna came out with a 701 with this Adv set up id put my money down today
fully agree if they redesign the exhaust - looks really good but no fun when water crossing
If they can get a 390hp into a 300 sized bike that 400 will be the sweet spot.
Nobody could handle 390hp, but most could handle 390cc.😂
The 390 and Z400 are already that, barely weigh more than a 300.
Amazing that it took so long to listen to the market.... Lightweight & capable adventure bike. That's all, thanks. Everyone wants one, yet we keep getting 200kg pigs... -So even if this is not the philosophers stone, it is a sign that the big brands are starting to listen.......
Agree. Just want a 45 - 50 bhp in 165kg bike....too much to ask?
@@grahamambridge2856 KTM 640 Adventure
I rhink this looks like a real positive step for the 390.
Had a 22 model and it was a great little bike which surprised a few people where I rode it.
This will be better again
Diddo
Really does look the goods. I like the rally tower look and general styling. Low exhaust good luggage to be close to bike but what about water crossings more than 300mm deep ? Hope it is priced similar to MT450
the gas will push the water out.
The only problem is that it's gonna cost atleast 8k euro here in Sweden. 2024 390 already goes for 7k
Experience with the 2nd Gen Duke 390-2016 that actually is a 373cc is that the engine eats oil. Special 15W-50, no less. The piston is short skirt with only 2 piston rings. With a 12.2:1 compression ratio, it's 95 octane as per manual. Am using Petron Blaze 100. And it can't be used as a daily driver with moderate or heavy city traffic. It overheats very easily! Even with 70% Prestone coolant. KTM-Bajaj truly made it really "Ready to Race" with a TFT-boot up reminder. The newest generation (Gen 3) of this engine was revised to 399cc from info gathered. If it still has that ready-to-race piston with that 12.2:1 compression, requiring 15W-50 and 95 octane, its not a bike that will be no-overheat, low octane gas reliable. That said, it is impossible to have the pre-requisite reliability. The old 2nd Gen is definitely, utterly stupidly unreliable.
I had a 2017 Duke 390. No issues with oil consumption, no issues with overheating, though the engine did throw a lot of heat when sitting in traffic. I had it until 2023, and it was perfectly reliable.
A buddy who did more commuting on his did the reflash and upgraded the cooling fan, and that solved it.
Spal cooling fan. Slightly adjust the radiator angle. Head cover check and straighten where the gasket sits. Change head gasket. Duke 390 gen 2 never tends to overheats anymore.
I think you hit the nail on the head, this is a competitor to the Himalayan and the CF Moto 450.
I’m sure there will be a aftermarket exhaust solution. I just wish they had gone more down the CRF 300 Rally route in terms of weight
But will coust double of 450mt
I love the looks as it doesn't wear a lot of side plastics. This looks like a form factor that would do well without any crash protection just like the 690 platform.
This might be the first KTM I ever buy. Interesting 2025 coming..
I attended the KTM Rally in Deadwood SD and they had this 390 and the new 1390. They asked if anyone had any questions but did not answer with anything specific.
Haha typical
After the 2 390 adv,this one is a dream.,👍I know that a lot of people will work hard to sort out a bunch of defects,but I personally think she can be my next one.
It is said that you can start the bike only on monthly subscriptions. If you don't pay for the monthly pack, you're not allowed to ride the bike anymore.
😂 It's also am electric bike.
Theres a video getting round of it punching airs up a highclimb after that photo was taken.
How the hell does KTM a company that has made its name from hard core enduro and adv bikes stiff up on the most important new bike of their modern era and not put a high exhaust on it 🤡🤬
not necessary
ktm used to be cool. now they just make subscription machines with cheese internals.
Because most peopke who ride adventure bikes never take them thru anything near as technical as a water crossing. The adventure bike market is for pavement and the occasional fire road riding. Id expect the exhaust on the enduro 390 to be slightly higher but since its a dual sport, not expecting much. They would never do this on their actual enduros, for good reason.
@@Weltbummler23 If that was the case the bike should have 17 front and rear wheels. Putting 21f and 18r and the ground sniffing exhaust is bizarre.
@@Graeme-r2f right, this is is the R model shown.. they should have gone higher exhaust for this trim. The smaller wheels should be on the regular 390 ADV, which will be the cash cow, but guess will have to wait to see that one at eicma.
Ugh... I can get a good end-of-season deal on a DR650 to project-build over the winter or wait until spring for this or a tubeless Himi 450. My Gen 3 KLR is just too heavy off road, and the DR650 I used to have felt lacking on road. I personally welcome 180kg with this setup... it seems like it would bridge the gap for what I am looking for. I don't want to keep waiting though!
Toss up between this and the dr, if you are ok with 180kg. Wouldnt mess with ibex or himi, too heavy. Not sure what u didnt like about the DR on the road but a cushy seat and windscreen did wonders for me. U can use outex for tubeless conversion on DR.
I think KTM missed the mark with the updated 390. They should have adventurized and updated the 690/701 platform instead. Also I think the estimated 170 kilos is boarder line heavy.
If they conform to the stupid A2 license, they can't make it lighter due to max power/weight ratio limit.
They nailed the looks this time!
It’ll have to do well on weight and price to take on the Himalayan and CF Moto 450 MT. Hopefully it’ll be under 175kgs wet and priced aggressively
Agreed
Looks good, but as I feared from the spy shots, it's basically just a dressed up Duke. Wish it had rally fuel tanks, perhaps Rade Garage or Aurora will make something.
To be honest I was expecting less weight like the 690, I may be a bit weight weenie😂. But I guess this is not an enduro proposition and more a dual sport one. Love your channel, keep up with the good job.
Thanks mate, I never had high hopes of the R or Enduro 390 being as light as the 690. They would have had to do a ground up design $$ They took the easy way and built it off the Duke 390. Let’s hope we’re pleasantly surprised next month 😅
@@chroniclesofsolid
It is still a single cylinder bike so it really shouldn't weigh much more than a 690.
Another comment made a good point, that if they're trying to fit the A2 licence (equivalent of the Australian RE licence) then they can't really make the bike any lighter, or it will exceed power to weight ratios.
I couldn't pinch my nose and buy the 390 Adventure before. KTM's non-reaction to the 390 stalling issues and the cam wear on other machines stopped me. I don't see KTM changing. I have the 450MT as a small adventure bike and if I was to get a lightweight machine I would hope the updated DRZ will come along soon.
this looks pretty cool but i still think im going for the 450mt
Thanks for the spy shots, Solid. weird that that exhaust is so low, but maybe that's not the final product. Regarding weight, I think if they even kept it to 400 lb it would still be wildly popular. 30 plus pounds lighter than its competition and 50 lb lighter than a Tenere. Keeping something light adds cost, so that's something they need to keep in mind. I think this bike will be on the more value side of the spectrum, which will come with some concessions.
you don't need another model with 17/19 wheels. To ride on the road 18/21 is good enough
It looks pretty good.
If it’s 170kgs it will be on the money I recon.
considering swapping my t7 for this
Really looking forward to this one
unfortunately if that is the weight, I'll still be sticking with my DR650. 366 pounds wet and with after market battery tank and exhaust as well a few things taken off, she can get as low as 345 pounds.
I’m excited for all the new 390s. I have a Duke 390 for the city and I wish I had more suspension travel to soak up rough pavement. The smc r or this adventure r are bikes I will consider as my next bike.
That low exhaust 🤔
My thoughts too
I bet its not gonna be like that in the final product
I see it as a huge bonus. Soft luggage won’t catch fire. More room for a deeper flatter side bag, narrow enough to be out of the wind and keep weight low. Only in an emergency should you need to pop the front over a big log. The bike should be light enough to manhandle over rather than crashing your way across.
I just had a structure fire and my 390Adv was in there. Total lose. Was looking at the Himalayan as a replacement, but now.....THX!!
The exhaust probably saved KTM from selling too many bikes🤣🤣🤣 They must be desperate to go out of business.
Adventure with a 390? This is a fancy Milk/Beer getter. Here in Southern California, it wont be able to get out of its own way on the freeways. I see this for a College Student or entry level motorcyclist.
I think the exhaust needs to be a little bit lower😆
but travel suspension seems 150 mm IMHO too short.
Not a fan of that front guard shape or the very high screen but overall it looks the goods. If its got 300mm of clearance and suspension travel and is around 160Kg wet it should be a big winner. Not sold on the exhaust for being practical off road, Id rather a slip on with integrated cat that could be changed easy for something like a wings or acro slip on. Im guessing 12-15 grand
They have their work cut out for them. They HAVE to come out with a competitive price, otherwise they will lose in sales to the Himalayan 450 and the CFMOTO 450 MT.
If the price is right, based off the CF Moto these will be very popular, if they prove reliable. It’ll likely be made by Baja so hopefully more reliable than the 7/890’s. 390 so minimum electronics so KTM won’t bend you over backwards and lock you out after 1,500km and ask for more money to unlock your bike again.
Why is the exhaust on the floor?
Adventure ready x)
Exactly
Nice video! This looks promising!
I was waiting for this bike but KTM has taken too long [and even today we still don't know the spec] so I (and many others) went for the 450MT and I'm loving it. Picking up the MT on trails is one thing but the MT carries that weight so well while riding it, I don't care much about the weight factor. Of course, it would be better if it was 20kg lighter but not losing any sleep over it. For KTM, unfortunately, 'better late than never' won't apply to me.
Looks better than my 2018 390 Duke.
thanks for your considerations...but 170-180kg are really unacceptable...a 390cc that weight like a big twins is ridicoulos and could be a real problem for who wants this bike mostly for off road riding. the same problem has the CF moto 450: a bike with weight of Tenere 700 more or less...good just for cheaper price, that's it. Hope KTM will remain under 170 so it will be the right bike for sure
Looks good but now I own a 450 Himalayan
Ktm dazzle camo on point 💪
That exaust should lend the bike to having full equal luggage both sides. For me it will be price and what extras aren't subscription paid.
Demo exhaust.
More versatile options in this weight range is good for the genre. I’m looking forward to seeing the rrp.
Finally, KTM is releasing a long-awaited bike, and I really hope they price it competitively with the MT450-there’s no reason it should cost more. Plus, it’s worth noting that KTM hasn’t had any cam issues with the 390 engine (at least, not yet ;-) ).
Bought a 1290 sas 2023 , never going to buy KTM ever again, abs pump issue causing panic brake randomly, started to have coolant lost 250ml in 4 days and counting , paint peeling everywhere on the clutch bracket and reservoir , battery drain issue , between 50-80km the steering will wobble uncontrollably , if you let go and will also go right instead of straight. There was also a chemical / electrical smell when starting in the garage KTM dealer said everything was "normal" . F them , i traded it and never looking back , lost thousands but that was better then keeping it. Dangerous bike. Believe everything you see in forums about KTM , it’s not exaggerated. Extremely unreliable!
Finally heading in the right direction 🙌
Haha no they aren't
one am keeping my eye on for sure.
KTM 390 Adventure R is 5 years late.
The low exhaust just seems wrong for the off-road enthusiast. I’ll still wait and compare it to the 450-MT.
Tube wheels the see on a photo that the front wheel is damaged.
vibration issues?? Compare it to the Husqvarna 350 or FE500 S, please!
Same same as all the other 390 KTM thumpers I'd assume
@@tolga1cool I see… So better go with Husqvarna in 2025!
feel like this will be the unicorn ADV.
underbelly exhaust: I guess KTM knows what they are doing. old gen duke had underbelly exhaust, which worked flawlessly on river crossings. its the air intake should be above the water not the exhaust.Also this setup lower the overall center of gravity
ktm fired 200 employments last year ...
Instead looking for reliability, through new models at the market...
Its not serious company that doesn't respect her customers...
I dont want to have any deal with this company...
defo seems like an improvement over the last 390 but that low exhaust has got to go for real adventure riding, for water crossings.
Be great if the aftermarket wizards🧙 worked their magic 🪄
Needs a 5 gallon tank!
It has cruise control!
If they regulate the bike for the stupid A2 license restrictions, it HAS to be heavy to conform with max power/weight ratio. Horrible times for motorbikes, destroyed by emissions and A2.
Yup! *shakes fist at the sky*
Holy crap, didnt realize this a2 license power to weight rule… thats absolutely horrible.
Actually - checked this out for the 2024 duke and it seems like a non issue. The 390 adv could go on a diet down to 165kg (same weight as the duke) and still be A2 ready. So plenty of weight to lose if ktm wanted to. Perhaps this rule is based on dry weight.
Still since this model is based on the duke platform, who knows how light they would have made the duke if this rule didnt exist, and then the adv would be that much lighter… ugh.
@@Weltbummler23 If manufacturers wanted to be legal but also beneficial for customers, they would make the bikes light and then add weights where you could easily remove them (exhausts, tail tidy or whatever). But the problem i think is that they use the excuse and design cheaper and heavier. As if everybody with a full license want a 200HP beast and not a proper 400cc bike with long service intervals, grunt and lightweight. A2 riders, please wait a couple of years to drive the bike of your dreams and don't destroy the market!
So if Duke is 165Kg and EnduroADV is on the same platform, the extra ADV parts raise the weight, which cannot be lowered due to the platform logic. Same with the simple enduro version which would nornally be max 130Kg in 2024... A 2009 KLX 250S i own is stock 118Kg dry with upside down, 29HP blatant reliability and long service intervals... Manufactured 16 years ago...
It's heavier because it is built to a cost. No one would buy this if it were priced higher. Bet you'll be able to shed a lot of weight through aftermarket.
@@constantinosschinas4503 yup the platform economics is gonna keep all the 390 bike’s weights high… furthermore what these lawmakers dont seem to understand is that heavy bikes can be dangerous for beginners, especially when taken offroad. I get that the lawmakers are concerned with putting 40hp on a bicycle but settting the threshold where it is now is outright dangerous.
I wish solid would make a video about this beginner bike + heavy weight issue.
close up shots on the switch gear had cruise control :)
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no I'm more interested in the rumours of a new drz
Looks promising.
It looks short! I luv short bikes, reverse gear is a dream😉
Looks good. I wonder if they might still add a 390 enduro.
It is being displayed alongside the Adventure R at EICMA next month 👍
@@chroniclesofsolid Thanks! Vey smart of KTM. If they have an Adventure, Adventure R, and the enduro, they could cover a lot of markets all over. Thanks for the video. Be well!
I like how this guy mistakes rally bike for off road use bike. Those are almost entirely different bikes. Rally bike is meant to hold for a few hours and be almost ground up rebuild every evening. Off road bike is bike with off road capabilities that you can use with reasonable expenses on maintenance.
Depending on how far you go difference can be somewhere between 10x and 100x the cost of maintenance. I mean on rally ktm's during Dakar they rebuild shocks super often, change oil daily, rebuild clutch/change plates daily and many many more major items like that. Those bikes are not meant to be ridden 2 days in a row without quite a bit of maintenance.
Looks good. But yes, price and weight will determin a lot. Then the reviews like at hwy speed like here in the USA, how buzzy would it be. Seat height make huge deal as well
You would be better to buy a 690 and lower it! They weigh 160kgs . That's if you wanted a ktm
It looks like a Honda transalp
It wil not be lighter than 165kg dry if it has 45HP(33kW) becasue os A2 power/weight restriction. It would be stupid for KTM to not make it A2 compliant and loose potential sales.
Your thoughts on the new yamaha xt 700😮
Fake news as far as I can tell. AI generated BS 👍 Would love to be wrong though.
Would be better a 2stroke engine....no camshaft no problem
If it is around the 170kg weight range it is gonna be one of a kind in the adv market currently. Close proximity to the unicorn status actually. This exhaust decision is questionable though for an off road machine as you mention... oh and the KTM reliability thing...
Have you ever heard of the “Kove 450 Rally”? It’s chasing after the success of the Chinese.
Given how this bike is positioning itself, Kove 450 all day long but off road for me is the priority
@@RooT2K20 Sure! But it is more of a "war machine" I don't see it personally as an every day bike. A perfect second bike for hardcore off road excursions though. The high seat height alone is a no go for most.
Can't see why it should weigh that much, even 160 would be pushing it. It is only a 390 single cylinder motorcycle. Needs to be around the 690 weight.
@@harowerks44 fingers crossed, 160Kg would be great!
Certainly looks the goods. Keen to see what the $RRP is and how it rolls in the real world. If any good it could be a replacement for my enhanced 301 CRF Rally… 🍻
If it ends up being a competent package it will have a few 300 Rally owners thinking hard.
It will cost way more than the Honda .
Thank you
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A big NO to anything produced by KTM or Bajaj.
I bet it'll cost a bomb!! I would class the CF Moto as a direct competitor, but not the Himalayan, I've ridden both. The Himalayan just isn't there in terms of looks , quality or performance. Bit of a shitbox imo.
Lol it Loks Kind like a 450mt 😂
I’ve had nothing but problems with my KTM single cylinders. This will be no different. It’s not like they all stood around the boardroom and said hey we really need to start making reliable motorcycles to appease the customer. KTM gives two shits about you. Their tactic is to lure you in with a aesthetically pleasing motorcycle and then leave you high and dry.
Far from my experience. And I've done over 80 000 kilometers on two KTMs. Definitely among the most fun motorcycles I've ever owned, and either have I had any major issues with them. And I am not alone. And I disagree with your notion regarding luring. But KTM, like BMW a few yrs back, have to huge potential on both dealer and customer care side of their business. I'd be surprised if they've not seen the writing on the wall now.
Aesthetically pleasing ? KTM ? What
Geez, did you really write aesthetically pleasing and KTM in the same sentence? 😂
No issues either👍, love mine
@@supergnorfThat’s been my experience with four or five different HSQ singles as well. So fun, lightweight, and I’ve had essentially no issues.
Looks so skinny furhermore it heavier than the previous model 🤔
Love that safety conscious KTM promo , a rear brake slide whilst doing a right turn into a car park right in front of a group of pedestrians walking towards you on the footpath .
Not a promo. Test ride filmed in the wild
Noob position exhaust
Horrendous headlights.
Good on KTM “ bring it to the Chinese MT 450 “ and 45HP and around 165kg ! , so it’s the UNICORN 🦄
Nah still would definitely go with CFMOTO
Still made in China?😂