Convergence of an Interesting Series

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  • Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
  • We show that the sum from 1 to infinity of sqrt{n^4 + 1} - n^2 is convergent. We also include a simple proof that the sum of 1/n^2 is convergent.
    00:00 A trick to simplify
    02:27 Convergence of 1/n^2
    04:20 Method of differences
    06:29 Considering negatives

КОМЕНТАРІ • 39

  • @ifomichev
    @ifomichev 25 днів тому +55

    There is a slight flaw in argumentation. The fact that the series is bounded from below does not automatically mean that it's convergent. The sine function is bounded too, but it does not converge. The reason why it's convergent is that it is bounded from above and increasing (per your argument that each individual element in the sum is greater than zero).

    • @vinko8237
      @vinko8237 25 днів тому +17

      It is bounded, and every term is positive, so the sum is strictly increasing, and limited from above. That is enough

    • @DrBarker
      @DrBarker  25 днів тому +40

      Very good point! This could have been explained much more clearly - every term is positive, so the important property is that the sum is increasing, rather than just that it is bounded from below.

    • @boguslawszostak1784
      @boguslawszostak1784 24 дні тому

      @@DrBarker we have in 1:40 Sum =1/(sqrt(x^4+1)+x^2)>0

  • @LeviATallaksen
    @LeviATallaksen 25 днів тому +15

    I guess the relevance of positive terms isn't just that the sum can't be negative, but also that the partial sums keep increasing towards either infinity or an upper bound. After all, a general series could also diverge by oscillation.

  • @Bayerwaldler
    @Bayerwaldler 25 днів тому +4

    The quick and dirty way would go something like this:
    sqrt(n^4 +1) = n^2(sqrt(1 + 1/n^4) ~ n^2(1+1/(2n^4)) = n^2 + 1/(2n^2). The whole expression therefore ~ 1/(2n^2) …

  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 25 днів тому +5

    My first idea was multiplying by (sqrt(n^4+1)+n^2)/(sqrt(n^4+1)+n^2)
    then comparison test
    Series 1/n^2 is convergent so given series also is convergent
    Based on that he wrote in the description it is good way

  • @vvop
    @vvop 25 днів тому +3

    Lovely. A nice quick derivation with one eye on the election, I guess.😆

  • @koenth2359
    @koenth2359 25 днів тому +9

    Very nice!
    Alternatively, set (n+e)^4=n^4+1, from which it follows that 0 < e < 1/4n^3.
    Therefore sqrt(n^4+1) -n^2 < (n+ 1/4n^3)^2 - n^2 = 1/2n^2+1/16n^6
    Knowing that Σ1/n^k exists for k>1, it follows that the series is convergent.
    Using the known values for ζ(2) and ζ(6) it follows that the value is smaller than π^2/12 + π^6/15120 < 0.89

    • @DrBarker
      @DrBarker  25 днів тому +2

      This is a very nice alternative!

    • @robertveith6383
      @robertveith6383 24 дні тому

      Your second and third lines have errors because they are missing required grouping symbols.
      For example, 1/4n^3 *means* (1/4)n^3 by the Order of Operations. So, you need to have written
      0 < e < 1/(4n^3) to express what you intended. And so on.

  • @vk5hse
    @vk5hse 24 дні тому

    Let (n^2 + eta)^2 = n^4 + 1
    It follows that eta^2 + (2n^2)eta = 1
    It follows that eta must be smaller than 1/(2 * n^2) if we have (eta^2 + (2n^2)eta) = 1
    It can also be noted in passing that eta^2 will be smaller than 1/(4* n^4)
    Accordingly sqrt(n^4 + 1) = n^2 + era
    So, sqrt(n^4 + 1) - n^2 = eta
    And since eta < 1/n^2, the sum of the series must converge.

  • @MyOneFiftiethOfADollar
    @MyOneFiftiethOfADollar 25 днів тому

    3 ton Elephant in the room is the sum of the squares of the reciprocals famously converges to PI^2/6.
    Your way is instructive in the sense is proves convergence without finding the value series converges to.

  • @mathmachine4266
    @mathmachine4266 25 днів тому +2

    Of course it's convergent. It's (n²+1/(2n²)+O(1/n⁶)-n²), so its O(n^-2).

  • @jessenemoyer1571
    @jessenemoyer1571 24 дні тому

    I'm not watching the video. At a glance, multiplying top and bottom by the conjugate yields 1/n^2+more which converges by the p-test.
    Somebody hit me up if that's not the end result, or how it was done.
    Pls and thnx.

  • @dontobillo
    @dontobillo 25 днів тому +1

    what about the value?

    • @seitanarchist
      @seitanarchist 25 днів тому

      That is likely very difficult, if not impossible, to figure out. I would bet that it is unknown. Even computing the much more basic sum of the terms 1/n^2 requires somewhat sophisticated machinery.

  • @bntns
    @bntns 22 дні тому

    For The Completion!

  • @tenormin4522
    @tenormin4522 25 днів тому +4

    But what is the sum?

    • @LuizPoublan
      @LuizPoublan 25 днів тому +1

      That's another beast entirely

    • @dalibormaksimovic6399
      @dalibormaksimovic6399 25 днів тому +1

      I calculated it, its around pi^2 /12

    • @user-cd9dd1mx4n
      @user-cd9dd1mx4n 25 днів тому +6

      ​@dalibormaksimovic6399
      No. It is around
      0.734572122454611
      But pi^2/12 is around
      0.822467
      Percentage error is about 11.97%. Hence not a good approximation.

    • @dalibormaksimovic6399
      @dalibormaksimovic6399 25 днів тому

      @@user-cd9dd1mx4n I know, when I just ignored in expansion everything after n^4

    • @user-cd9dd1mx4n
      @user-cd9dd1mx4n 25 днів тому +2

      @@dalibormaksimovic6399 Why would you ignore, if that will lead to a significant error (above 10%)?
      I may ignore insignificant terms, only when my final result has an error 2% at most (depending upon my application).
      Generally an error of 10% is huge.

  • @tenormin4522
    @tenormin4522 23 дні тому

    I still do not get the point of determining convergence without an actual sum. It seems to me like and empty game. Sex without orgasm, food without swalowing, vodka without alcohol...
    What is the sum and how to find it? Otherwise it is meaningles in my opinion.

  • @plutothetutor1660
    @plutothetutor1660 24 дні тому

    I haven't watched the video but i think comparison with 1/n² would work well

  • @eiseks3410
    @eiseks3410 25 днів тому +2

    The sum is approximately √2 - 5 +√17- (5/8) + (π^2/12) 😂

  • @redrosin99
    @redrosin99 24 дні тому

    Just multiply by root(n^4+1) +n^2 and divide by the same. You get 1 over root(n^4 +1) + n^2 that clearly goes to zero.

    • @pedroteran5885
      @pedroteran5885 24 дні тому

      That's a necessary but not sufficient condition for the series to converge.

  • @emanuellandeholm5657
    @emanuellandeholm5657 25 днів тому

    sqrt(3)? Edit: no it's slightly larger than this when N is 200..
    Edit again: If you take n from 0 to +inf, the sum is sqrt(3) + some change, approx. sqrt(3.01)

  • @lwandomakaula3574
    @lwandomakaula3574 25 днів тому

    Got lost in the first step😂😂

  • @reinhardtristaneugen9113
    @reinhardtristaneugen9113 24 дні тому

    I checked out by mental calculation and it seems to converge towards zero and it is not too difficult to see why and one could show per complete induction that the larger the number to get the root of the smaller gets your result in that you got always a quadratic number plus one, which shreds you the decimal fractions in ever smaller pieces rooting them, so you end up converging towards zero.
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    • @robertveith6383
      @robertveith6383 24 дні тому

      No, that is not logical.You are already starting out with a positive value in the summation when n = 1, and every term that is added is necessarily positive, so that the sum must be greater than zero.