The Rings of Power Shilling in Plain Sight
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- Опубліковано 2 лис 2022
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I am struck by not just how little the show runners understand Tolkien, but how little they understand classic literature, plot, character development, and storytelling.
It's quite amazing, isn't it? They've spent at least the last 10 years in Hollywood writing scripts. Their incompetence is on par with She-Hulk's writers.
@@dronesclubhighjinks That explains everything!
I'm just struck by how they get hired.... what do they have to do Wink? Or who do they know? Or is it a Cultish Club you have to join? I mean do they take Vow's to the Message and Such. It's crazy how Hollywood is now Controlled by talentless hacks and activists!
'classic literature' is part of the 'toxic huwhite male' legacy in the eyes of the woke.
@@dronesclubhighjinks ten years unsuccessfully "writing" in Hollywood. Most of their projects never took off lol.
"What kind of man would leave his companions to die?" She asked, shortly after leaving her companions to die.
But, it's duality? :P
"No one left behind!" said the Harfoot, after leaving entire families behind to die for no reason.
She's a woman so that's ok
I am no man!
10 bucks says once the media catches back up with public opinion they're gonna put out hit pieces and pretend they never liked the show to begin with.
Id take you on, but I have a feeling ill lose xD
Ironic that's exactly what they're doing now.
I doubt anybody will cover that bet because we all know it's how those people operate.
Didn’t the guardian do literally exactly that?
Where can I mail your check ?
I think another problem is the very literal lack of love between characters. By the end of Fellowship, you could see real love and camaraderie between characters. And it was earned by shared experience.
Hell by the end of the first movie you could see their bond (everyone distraught over Gandalf’s fall) and Aragon and legalos and gimli going after the hobbits. They did more in 3 hours
well that is a true representation of modern times, that they did achieve...picturing tolkien's work with modern attitudes, where friends value more ppl on instagram that the people they have right besides them. Pathetic.
@@mikemcmike6427 big fact you can tell they are brother and they lost one of their own
Tolkien debunked them before they were even born.
🏆
Boom!
Sounds like he always been many steps ahead
Understanding the lore and respecting the fans are true representation.
Too bad it flew way over the writer's heads.
@@ColdHardTruthNews Of course it did, because they had their heads so firmly stuck up their own asses they couldn't see anything at all.
NO, expectations must be subverted!
If we forget about big words and promises - then what kind of diversity is there in this show?
A black elf who not only turned out to be stereotypical and with "on the nose" level metaphors, but also under the heel of the strong florist womyn. The dream of any warrior... With masochistic inclinations.
The black female dwarf - was supposed to turn the whole world and open the way for black women, like Moses (but not Moses Ingram), but for some reason became a minor character. Strange.
The Elder of harefoots is the unspoken leader of the unsympathetic faction. He died at the end of the season, although he could easily have survived because showrunners say they don't want to be like Game of Thrones, but in fact they want it even more than soy silk milk.
Speaking of larp as Game of Thrones - we have a diverse queen - who rules as a female regent, just like Cersei and that chick from House of Dragons. Besides, she's going blind, just like Arya Stark. But we have to believe that the showrunners were reading Tolkien and not watching HBO while drunk.
These are four characters, and all but the warrior, and maybe sometimes the queen, are practically unimportant and not needed for the plot. As for the Asians, apart from a few randos in the crowd, I didn't notice any among the characters. Although I'll be honest - after the first twenty minutes of the first episode, I drop the show harder than the warriors of Galadriel their swords. The rest I saw in the review and do not regret it. And it was not the casting of minorities that stopped me, but the terrible dialogues and Galadriel. She is so insufferable that I couldn't watch it for long.
And the dialogue is the most important part of the show because the viewer will hear it all the time. But who needs dialogue anyway? The showrunners have really chosen the right strategy - to show off a few hand-made things against the backdrop of shabby CGI.
Your wisdom has no place in Their modern world.
How can immortal elves have "apocryphal" or "legendary" stories? Galadriel, Celebrimbor, and Gil-galad all were alive when these event occured. They know whether they're true or not!
Right? And Tolkien explores this a lot in LOTR (especially). Different characters react differently to stories. But just remember how they talk about Galadriel in TT. The Rohirrim call her a witch. But Aragorn wa raised in Rivendell and had access to first age people and understood a lot better.
The 'superfan' gave it away when he said sauron was 'hot' and that he wanted to 'save him' or whatever. The moment Galadriel started making 'do me' eyes at Haladriel it was BLATANTLY OBVIOUS who Sauron was.
Well, the pure fact that the "superfans" were not really talking about anything (which NDAs would have prevented in any case) even remotely related to the books, was the biggest red flag. The media outlets who knew next to nothing about Tolkien (apart form the 2 trilogies) were probably better informed.
It's actually bizarre that everyone cringed when they said that but the showrunners were panicking at unintended spoilers...
@@Guilherme-ow3wb I think the whole superfan BS was completely scripted. Badly scripted like the show but still scripted.
Save him from what 😿😿?
@@doubleot1984 i forgot the exact wording but it felt like that same attitude of when a girl finds a bad-boy and tries to 'fix' him.
For some time I was hoping (flying in the face of the timeline, as if the writers gave a shit) that Halbrand would end up being the Witch King. "Was a king at some point, and received a magic piece of jewelry" being the sum of his canonical pre-wraith backstory is a blank check to write your Own Original Character into the story.
When people are coming up with alternatives to your reveal because they've considered what'll actually happen and think it's too simple, it's not a good reveal.
That would've been so amazing!
@@shadowking9739 of course, almost anything would seem amazing compared to what Amazon came up with.
Hal is the witch king who swore his allegiance to galadriel before she reveals herself to have been sauron in disguise ever since he captured the real galadriel in the north fortress in episode 1.
Also, adar 100% should have been finrod or whatever her brother's name was.
but seriously, i decided to go to sleep with about 20 min left of ep4, i never got back to it, and i was by no shot suprised by halbrand being sauron, anyone else suprised?
Edit: btw, i am stilling "waiting" for Gal to learn some magic and become a mystic or caster of some sort
I was so shocked when the PowerPoint title changed from Southlands to Mordor that I fell of my chair. Same with Halbrand being Sauron. Surely the most unexpected plot twists in history
The most insulting part? According to lore, it took Sauron and Celebrimbor something like 70 years to make 16 rings; the 9 for mortal men, and the 7 for the dwarf lords. The elves used what they learned to make their own three rings. In other words, Sauron didn't actually make the three elven rings. Yet, in this show, they not only make the elf rings first, Sauron is involved in their making.
They didn't read the books, clearly.
Making something up would have been one thing. They could have made it the tears Aulë. Aulë is the Valar responsible for creating the materials and ores that are in Middle Earth. It makes more sense for him to have been involved.
I think they went into this show thinking that Valar aren't real. That they're made up like gods by men and elves. That's why they never used them in any part of the story. Whatever. Just further proof they didn't read any of the source material.
They probably skimmed Cliffnotes, which is likely what got them thru college so they figured 🤷
Technically all 16 rings of the rings were meant for the Elves. When he found out that the Elves made a their own rings he took back the rings and gave them to others.
A long time ago I always wondered about the five 'missing' rings and five wizards. But there was never five rings.
In fact, that is why Sauron is so upset. The rings he helped them create were to serve his purpose. That the elves went on to create their own without him means he has much less overt control over them. Now he has to forge the One Ring and imbue it with an enormous amount of his native Maia power to regain influence. The elves are n ot stupid and take the rings off forcing Sauron into a huge war, when he had been on the cusp of controlling everyone with ease.
I will say it again, Sauron would not appear as a man or discount Aragorn, he would appear as an elf or Maia. A mortal showing up with that kind of power and knowledge would be a complete tip-off. You only get that kind of knowledge with millennia of study, something a mortal cannot do. The reason most elf lords do not trust him is someone of this level just walking around is unusual. This is why the concept of some witches is nonsense, mortals would not get to this level. The only reason the Numenorians are at this level is because they have elven assistance over millennia. (And their leaders elven/Maian blood.)
"Don't Care About The Lore - Go Poor", quote from Johnny Law, sums it up.
Magic doesn’t work like that in Tolkien, it’s subtle and never overt. It’s never more than the manipulation of the world already present, or the encouragement of minds (good or evil). It’s almost always a background to the narrative, or a minor episode along a journey to a physical and moral event. Not witches and wizards casting spectacular spells, but divine (or fallen) beings influencing the world and its people. Just my tuppence. 👍
Yeah, it is even a point that good magical beings and magic users are subtle because they don't want to cause undue destruction or side effects with their powers. That's the whole thing about Sarumans fall and corruption he stops caring about the side effects of exerting his influence on the world and creates a desolate wasteland just like Sauron.
very well said and great point, the both of you.
It would have literally taken these writers only a day to read and absorb the “Letters of Tolkien.”
They couldn’t even be bothered to do that.
Oh they've pulled the odd few words out when they THINK it proves their point. Like when some produce a line from the Bible and say 'see it means X' but when you read the whole chapter it means nothing of the sort.
TBH don't think it would help. These 2 seem to be self satisfied like a couple of overly indulged 10 year olds convinced that the shallow cringe they turn out was A level vs actual D level that got jawdroppingly worse as it went along.
@@tkps my favorite example of that is "All this I will give to you if you merely bow down and worship me." Phrased as God giving you stuff for your worship.
Except that's Satan tempting Jesus in that quote. Lol, pretty apt
I'm super impressed with the Show runners ability to get paid without any skills, talent or even basic intellect on creating a decent show. I'm envious cause I would like to find a gig like that.....I'd even respect lore and fans. But clearly that is the one attribute that would keep me from getting hired.
Daytime TV, direct to video movies,
We used to have a Family video store, blockbuster movies plus older ones, plus the direct to video and TV stuff, there was a TV movie called 'P-51 Dragon Fighter'
this is the sort of dross that Lindsay 'Overlord' Weber and her minion daytime soap showrunners made before becoming Amazon vunderkinds.
It helps to have worked under Jar Jar. His former and current minions have been behind most of the garbage since Lost.
The showrunners approached the writing of the show with the same level of care, thoughtfulness and reverence as a teenager with a sharpie scribbling lewd graffiti on a public bathroom stall
☝exactly.
Sweet, refreshingly honest, clear, and informative take right there.
I think I'll sit here a minute, sip something, and cleanse from the bs.
That's nothing just wait a year. That's when the great rewriting of reality will begin to ramp up.
Funniest thing about whole shtick how Galadriel is obsessed with the murder of her brother and her obsession with revenge against Sauron is that her brother is totally fine and chilling with his father and mother in the local equivalent of Eden. And Galadriel KNOWS that, she even can send him freaking letters. Elves do not fucking die in the Tolkien verse.
In the series though, she doesn't know that. She thinks death is final, and that she will never see her brother again. There's no real concept of Valinor as the afterlife at all.
@@englishlady9797 which is a HUGE sin
@@englishlady9797 except she was from Valinor. She knows the hall of mandos is a thing and is where the souls reside until they are either remade with new bodies or the end of the world happens and they are unleashed to fight. It isn't a secret to the Elves that it is their fate.
@@adventwolfbane exactly. All elves know that, which is why men dying and not knowing what happens is called the Gift. If elves didn't know, then they wouldn't be different from humans in that regard.
@@GeraltofRivia22 That is my point. there is no way she doesn't know where her "dead" brother is. Since it is only the races Men that are not bound to world and get to leave it when they die and return to the creator.
Strong Woman: "What kind of man leaves his companions to die?"
Dunno, the same woman who wanted to leave two of her own to freeze to death on a mountain.
This is exactly what I expected from amazon after what they did with The wheel of time. Every thing changed was made worse with far reaching implications that the writers lack the ability to comprehend.
Exactly. WoT was literally easy mode and they punted. Punted so hard. Sigh.
What I find hilarious about RoP is that it's somehow _even dumber_ than what they did with WoT. Legitimately dumb. Painfully unintelligent writing across the board.
Wheel of Time was a _literal easy win_ for them as far as "strong, female characters" and a narrative that points out the flaws and strengths of _all_ the characters involved. They had an _actual goldmine_ in their hands and they somehow buried it deeper than Floyd Collins. Unbelievable. WoP was guaranteed to fail and we all knew it.
@@_Jay_Maker_ They are just unwilling to allow any female character to have growth. Nynaeve & Egwene start out as villagers... the show really wanted them to be powerful from square one. Changing that fact instead of letting come in when fitting ruined the whole flow, and compromised major story beats for the next four seasons. I'm really looking forward to the scene where Rand's power is directly compared to Egwene's... Somehow I doubt they will be able to admit that he is not only a stronger caster, but it is by orders of magnitude.
So much contortion just to avoid gendered magic!
literally everything jj has been even tangentially associated with. This is the new philosophy, they don’t need writers, just ‘visionaries.’. Writers demand fair pay and worry about project-delaying things like backstories and logical consistency. Visionaries create ‘scenes’ and get scripts sold to investors asap. Way easier to spend your millions on special effects studios where everyone is a slave and part of some massive team that has no personal accountability or responsibility. That’s what you’re getting now, no more stories or characters, just spectacle.
I agree with everything said so far. WoT had all of the ingredients in place to have a host of strong female and male characters, and they went full misandrist with it. Perrin breaks my brain. A simple character. A man of action. And they were more interested in characterizing his fake blacksmithing wife who he fridges immediately than they were with him. He's a blacksmith who does no blacksmithing. He defends egwene in the tent by... Standing there. I'm like, I know the murderous white cloak isn't your wife, but you could as least try to kill him. Same thing the final episode... I can't even remember the stupid in that one. Loial dies for some reason. Perrin still doesn't take any action. He's like whoa, a fade? Why would I kill that? He's not even my wife!
Gosh, WoT makes me so angry.
The who is Sauron 'twist' reminds me of old mystery TV shows in the 1980s where the writers only bothered to give you one plausible suspect then the big reveal is 'Ta-daa! Its him, the guy you knew all along!'
"It is I! My machinations lay undetected for years!"
Scoobie-doobie-dooooooo
@@tkraid2575 For I am a master of deception.
Go to a Korean grocery and buy some "Asian pear tea". It will come in a glass jar, and it's really a jelly or jam. You put a spoon or two of it into hot water or tea. It will soothe your throat a lot. (Same thing for stewed/baked Asian pears.) I'm a singer, and this has saved my bacon a lot since the Korean grocery lady told me about it.
Although honestly, any jam/jelly will do a decent job, as will honey (of course). Asian pear is just the best I've found.
Asian pears are loaded with pectin which is an ingredient in old cough drops
We used to use honey, lemon, hot water, and whiskey (during high school musicals!). I think I would have preferred the pear tea.
lemon and whiskey. oh god. lol no. Caffeine also tears the throat up. Chamomile, liquorice root, honey, are good. you can get herbal teas of, licorice root, cherry bark, fennel seed, slippery elm, mullien leaf, mashmallow root, in most grocery stores. these actively help heal the lining of your esophagus.
I have to look it up but vinegar and honey also work, the vinegar killing the bacteria while the honey seals and calms the throat.
@@Cassandra112 Whisky can help to thin mucus. You're not supposed to use more than a shot.
It takes some level of skill to make something great that everybody will love, but you have to have a special kind of talent to ruin something so thoroughly bad that its considered unrecognizable.
You're doing god's work, JSG, watching this shit so we don't have to. You're a modern-day "sin eater".
As painful as watching Vikings, Barbarians and Romulus.
Which god's work?
Asking for an atheist friend.
@@CordeliaWagner fill in with your own favorite God.
Rey: glad I’m not the word Mary Sue anymore.
These writers were just one step above naming Halbrand, Noruas.
Sauron taught the art of forging magic rings, playing into the Elves love of making art and gift giving.
The show declined to read.
The worst part is the show runners saying “no one would believe a guy would just help them with secret knowledge, they’d all suspect him if he did” while they forget that the guy can fucking shape shift, lies about who he is and plays into the elves predispositions to get what he wants. What they meant is that they can’t write well enough to have an intelligent character trick other intelligent characters because the writers themselves aren’t intelligent. It’s like some moron trying to play a smart wizard in a DnD game but just casts fireball at everything then gets confused when people treat his character like an idiot. Sad really
You won't have to worry about this show for another 2 years...
If it comes back at all.
It'll be breaking rings or the rings of bad
The real question is why would anyone tune in for more of this garbage.
These shmucks had the nerve to basically say that whole Anatar plotline in the books makes the elves look plain stupid (like sauron wouldn't have the capability to manipulate them), and somehow they "fixed" it. I know it all comes down to rights issue, but they're beyond defense for this.
I don't think there was even that amount of attention to implications of the screenwriting decision being made by Amazon that you give them credit for. I think the writing was focused on surface level things, such as virtue signaling and overall media's opinion . What came after was just a ripple created by that irresponsible approach.
Middle Earth in the Second Age was bleeding magic like a leaky boat. The Elves, reliant on magic like we are on electricity, were desperate for a solution to try and preserve what they still had. Enter Anatar, an "emmisary from the Valar" who brought them a DIY solution with some handy recipes that he just happened to have lying around :D
But it turns out that Anatar actually scammed them--the elves quickly figured out that Anatar's recipes all came with built in back doors. Still they were useful, and the elves were forced to rely on equipment filled with critical security flaws because it was still better than going without.
I daresay that plot might be more understandable today than even when Tolkein first wrote it.
@@ApocGenesis I think is pretty straightfoward no matter the time. But the parallels are even more obvious today
The thought they were smart enough to have Sauron in plain sight. They weren't smart enough to actually hide it. We all saw it. And those very sceptical knew they were going to 'ship Guyladriel and Sauron.
Same is that it was obvious "The stranger" was Gandalf. Because you knew they were setting up the reason why Gandalf was fond of the Hobbits. The only way it's Saruman in s2 is to subvert our expectations with plotholes galore.
Also, the "maybe it's Gandalf, maybe it's not" theory also doesn't make sense, because we already KNOW they gave the character a specific sentence that Gandalf uses in LOTR, PLUS you have a setup with the character and the Harfoots in order to establish Gandalf's fondness of Hobbits. We saw NO such fondness from any other magic user in The Hobbit or LOTR, so it was DELIBERATELY set up as an earlier Gandalf moment moment in his life to explain why he likes Hobbits.
"Where is Sauron and who is OC? Oooooh, it's a mystery." -- They _stink_ of Bad Reboot.
Just watch them try to "subvert expectations", by last minute changing meteor-man into Saruman, despite all the hints that it was originally meant to be Gandalf. XO
@@sigmacademy which is stupid, because it's not a catchphrase. Gandalf doesn't walk around randomly telling others to "follow their nose;" he said it in a specific situation when explaining what to do when lost in a mine, "find the sweet air." I honestly hate this.
The thing i cannot understand is why they had to create this ''mystery'. We all obviously knew which character is going to be Sauron, not because we all have read the books, but because its a series about the forging of the rings. Anyone who had seen the opening scene of Fellowship.. (basically everyone) knew . It could be really smart to not play the ''mystery box'' but to play with audiences mind seeing Sauron as Anatar and the way he manipulated elves, until he reveals himself.. Not as a ''surprise'' but as s01 climax. About ''Gandalf''.. i dont want to say much about it, but the writing of this character is beyond stupid. I cant even understand the usage of this character in the plot (same with the highly unlikable harfoots). Man, this is a disaster, especially if this wizard is -as you say, Saruman!!
A twist villain doesn't work if the audience can see it coming from orbit.
0:02 “how Sauron hid in plain sight”
Dude, a blind man could see Halbrand was Sauron from a mile away!
Hey did you know that rocks sink because they look down?
I thought they sink because they're not a witch?😉
Ijust saw a article from Northwestern University that a study shows fish look down.
but they did not explain why the fish don't sink.
@@kamion53 i think fish are half boat half rock
@@manoz6194 I saw a fish floating along on the surface, well half floating and half sinking. So your theory must be true.
So if I’m standing on land and look up I can fly, right?
The lies of the shill..... .even Morgoth would go “ Damn that is f’ed up”.
Who in their right mind will give another chance to this abomination that took the mythological timelessness of Tolkien's works?
As a fan, I don't care if they create new characters, if they change the timeline or the Lore. But I do not forgive if they corrupt the soul of the work. Not that.
The greatest offense is the pretention these two Dunning-Kruger clones have; They most likely don't know anything more about Tolkiens work than that they could Google for and meanwhile are very confident they could "inprove" Tolkien.
Everybody has the right to write a "fanfiction" ( meaning use some elements from a excisting work - and that is mosttimes done by fans) settled in the by Tolkien created world.
As long it is clear it is just "fanfiction" and not the introducing to Tolkiens world as it will be for a large group of people with an attention span shorter than that of a goldfish.
Oh and I just realise why goldfish have those big bulby eyes, that is so they can look up and won't sink.
They don’t follow the world building at all they shit all over it
Well, if you change the characters, you change the timeline and you change the lore, you're LITERALLY creating something new and something that the original work never was. :/
It's no more an abomination than the Video games like Shadow of Mordor. I really liked it. I hope when season two opens Galadriel has reconsidered Halbrand's offer and they are together. Now there's an interesting development, how does everyone respond? What would Gil-Galad do?, what would Elrond do? Adar? Etc. This would almost certainly permanently stop Dark Lord Sauron from ever developing, she empowers him to want to be better, to do better, be a better person. Since canon is already impossible anyway, they might as well do something wild, Halbrand/ Sauron+Galadriel.
@@jonathancummings6400 Actually true, but I think they are going to do exactly that. With one difference, they will pretend that it belongs to Tolkien's world.
TRoP is really about the struggle to stay awake.
These are the kind of writers and “journalists” that would RAVE about the subversion of expectations when it’s revealed that, when playing a game of peek-a-boo, you did not, in fact, disappear when placing your hands in front of your face, but that the twist of you removing your hands had all kinds of hints and nods as to you being still there the entire time. Infants, basically…that’s the level of intellect they aspire to.
Whilst it was 'bleeding obvious' Hallbrand was Sauron, the reasons they're giving for us 'guessing' was 'well when he said x and when he said y and she replied with z'. No bugger was paying that much attention. It was just bleeding obvious and his words had little to nothing to do with it. Do they really think we were analysing every sentence out of a characters mouth? I knew they were fools but hell talk about being so far up your own arse you think everyone else wants to be up there with you.
@@tkps Mormons
I read somewhere an analogy: RoP is like opening a restaurant from a beloved franchise that is specialized in making the best burgers in the world, and then forcibly feeding broccoli to your customers.
I have a co-worker who is a long time Tolkien fan and he liked the show
However, the reason why he enjoyed it was because it was such a mess and overall shitshow that it was straight up entertaining for him
That's the only way. Other adaptations had their flaws and changes but nothing compared to this dumpster fire which is both an insult to Tolkien and storytelling in general
So, not quite "So bad it's good" but so bad it's hilarious
yup, i watched it and it was quite entertaining for that reason. i did need some help from my good friend Jack to get through it.
Yes, the critique videos on UA-cam are hilarious for the most part. some are bandwagon affairs by bearded video game reviewers LMAO,
but the genuine experts are good at deconstructing the production in a fair way. The visuals for the most part of RoP are pleasant to look at.
In the Dragons series theres similar copy paste characters at the coronation crowd, bottom left shows two very obvious copies that look almost like ghosts.
@@regiman222 The question is where did the money go, or is TV series production that expensive these days, or were they ripped off by their subcontractors.
A Coppola Dracula reference. JSG is a man of culture to be sure
The Dracula comparison is excellent. Perfect explanation of pathos. Showrunners take note, please 🙏
I can't stop looking at those rings and think how my middle school class rings didn't even looks so cheap.
Exactly. How does a show with a billion dollar budget end up with rings looking that cheap?
Even the sets look terrible.
I literally have better-looking rings that I've gotten out of gumball machines.
Needing an external document to explain the show is kind of like those 8 bit games where the backstory is in the instruction manual instead of the game itself.
... and the only way you can beat the game is with cheat codes.
That was fully understandable in the days of cassette loading games, and small format floppies.
To be fair, those games _literally_ did not have the space to include their stories. WTF is this show's excuse?
It would be more of a twist for the strong woman was Sauron.
I actually kind of convinced myself that Halbrand wasn’t Sauron because when I thought about it I thought that it was so unfathomably stupid that no one would actually do it
who wants to bet after Patdick & McGay mention nuclear power season 2 is gonna be an allegory about NATO, Russia and Ukraine?
JSG got the juice on LOTR
They’ve got two years. If Amazon Studios came out and admitted that season one was a horrible mistake… And replaced the Showrunners… I believe the audience would be fully willing to give them both a Mulligan and a second chance to do it right. Just completely start over from scratch. Most of us would completely respect that.
NEVER!
It's as if if every modern screenwriter is afraid they will suddenly explode and level everything in a three block radius if they so much as think about admitting to the most minor of mistakes, let alone the bigger ones.
As much as I love your videos, I've grown so tired of this show -- talking about it, thinking about it, listening to podcasts about it, watching videos about it. Bottom line, my life is better without it, and i am so glad it is done. I so want to move on, and i know you do too. I almost wish your videos were not so well put together that i could ignore them, but as I say, i love them and must dig in multiple times, even as much as i want this show gone baby gone.
Agreed but I don't want this to slip off the table and they continue with this travesty. This series needs to stopped and burned then forgotten
Well, you can always look forward to the media outlets telling you how GREAT this show is in another 2 years' time. :/
@@RoninDave I'm with you.They want those of us who hate it and are still angry to shut up and forget. We shouldn't do that whilst the media keeps producing these puff pieces even if they keep it up till the next crappy season comes out. I don't want them to be allowed to forget how we feel.
Same. The show is bad, and though the shit talking about it is fsr better, there is too much of it.
They really thought they were surprising us with that reveal. I am flabbergasted by this fact.
LOL...the QVC rings!
You know, if I was going to write a LOTR fanfic, I could have done way better than this shit. My idea, given the legal restrictions... I would tell the story from Sauron's point of view and that he was truly penitent and had good intentions to start, but he was still corrupted and kept seeing the possibilities of the rings. And finally, when he forged the final ring, he thought he could fill it with all his evil and finally be pure again... but Sauron was it's first victim and couldn't resist putting it on, completing his return to evil. Of course, this is completely non-canonical, but we're fucking the lore anyway so why not.
Sounds like a good fanfic. I'd read it.
Sounds far better then anything Hollyweird can come up with.
there are good ways of fucking with the lore and shitty ways of doing it - this is the former.
I'd read this.
Not sure that fits, he spent all of the first age with morgoth and them werewolves to then try to become good? If he was going to turn he would have surrendered himself to the valar but instead fled to ME. I'd say he was too far gone by then
I have travelled oceans of time to be with you ( Dracula to mina )
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Basically they turned Tolkien into Scooby-Doo. "Old man Halbrand? You're the Dark Lord??" Naw it's a shit comparison, the Scooby-Doo writers actually had some chops
The best thing about rings of power is the content it provided for us through Just some Guy lol
Ngl, I literally saw Amazon ads about this show. They were still showing clips of RoP in the commercials and acting like it didn't fail whatsoever.
Edit: Yo JSG, you got some people impersonating you while spamming in people's comment replys.
They're catering to the ignorant masses who don't know any better.
@@BigBrotherMateyka Yup. Exactly.
Watching this show has been a nightmare for my mental health. I've been banging my head against the table and/or wall for so long that if I keep it up I'll start forgetting precious childhood memories.
I knew it was bad when they got schooled by Colbert in comic con so didn’t watch a minute
Sauron hid in plain sight with subtlety of mowing your lawn with a battery of howitzers.
The cake is not baked but the show runners' minds clearly are.
I LOL every time I see the picture of the ring props. 6:21 They look like something you would get out of a coin op vending machine in the entrance of a big box store.
They look so unbelievably bad, especially the white one, it looks like someone tried to make a UFO-ring.
I would have been surprised if fake Galadriel had turned out to be Sauron.
I just recently found out that the witch king was a bad man he did some work
I thought it was joke when the show runners said they had no experience boy how was I wrong
Lol the fandom knew exactly who he was the second he appeared on the show.
I bet these showrunners didn't even read Tolkien his actual works- they just read the Cliffnotes version and feel that this makes them experts on Tolkien. this would explain so much
Isnt it ironic that Game of thrones /House of the dragon that everyone was cautious about has done so damn well while Rings of power with all that cash behind it and a treasure trove of lore crashed and burned?😂
My 15 yr old nephew (someone that barely remembers the LOTR trilogy and has never read the source material) immediately texted me (his uncle that he thinks knows everything about Tolkien) the moment Discount Aragorn appears, "Evil dude on raft HAS to be Sauron! Right!? "
If my nephew spotted Sauron right away, then all of the so-called "super fans" are that much more pathetic and are obviously passionate about their paycheck, not the God of Fantasy, J.R.R. Tolkien. 🙏
At this point, if I hear “Tolkien never elaborated”, it just sounds like “We didn’t do enough research”
Oh boy the title of that article and where it’s at is irony
Simple question to gauge the real popularity of this show - Now that Season 1 is finished, who wishes it was still running?
I personally wish it had never started!
In the five star reviews everywhere I see..."The show was a little slow but"..."I didn't watch it a second time but it will be better when I do"..."The second season is going to speed up as the show runners say"..."Why are people worried about the lore when the CGI is so great" or "Better than HotD". Freaking idiots or shills everywhere. In the end I'm thinking I am watching a different show than everyone else.
Nah you're just using your brain in a different and more individual way. Welcome to the resistance
There are shills but then there those who will slurp up anything if they told it's good but these types have goldfish like memories and will forget the show long before 2 years
"We knew the whole time! Really! We anticipated that this would shit all over the legendary works of the greatest Fantasy author of all time. That was our entire plan all along! The _billions_ of dollars Amazon spent on this travesty of human effort was entirely planned to be a disappointment from the very beginning and _we consider that a success."_
I really enjoy your breakdowns on rings of power. You know your stuff.
I read a comment somewhere online that someone actually, unironically, said that Halbrand being a subversion of the Aragorn story was amazing writing. I had to pause for a moment to let that hot take sink in.
Warner Bros have recently stated that they still have the rights to do Lord of the Rings movies and they will be focusing on this. I suspect they know there is a fan base here waiting for real Tolkien stories.
Rings of Girl Power really showed us who these people's intellectual superiors are.
They post strings of big, fancy words, however there is no wit backing them up. Their gums are flapping, but they aren't speaking any sense.
I can't believe how cheap those rings look. They literally look like they pulled them out of a Cracker Jack box.
I imagine that Payne and McKay set around everyday discussing how stupid all the people are that don't see their genius or the depth of their talent. How can it be that no one else can see it? And so the discussion progresses entrenching them ever deeper into the delusional world they have been living in most of their life. See they can't admit their wrong, if they do then it all comes crashing down around them and they have to face reality.
smoke me a kipper
@@CorporateComedy I'll be back for breakfast
I appreciate you and the rest of the independent critics taking the hit by watching this for us.
I haven't seen Dracula since I was kid (when it came out actually which means I would have been 10. Probably too young to watch it). I am going to have to watch it again as an adult. What a genius Gary Oldman is.
I watched it a few months ago. It really is very good (except Keanu & Winona's accents though they tried poor loves).
All the special effects were achieved in-camera
You know, I didn't watch a single episode of this. I only know what happened in it because of this guy. He was MUCH more coherent and entertaining than that hot mess.
Many thanks, JSG.
I saw the first two episodes...you aren't missing anything. It was pure cringe.
Same!!
I refuse to believe the timing of Miguel Sapochnik leaving House of the Dragon and the initial bad press related to the showrunning of Rings of Power when compared to HotD just happened to occur simultaneously by coincidence
I am glad you are feeling better. I really enjoy your thoughts and insights. Please continue to rest your vocal cords, we need your voice on our team.
The Bad Robot rejects intervierws are like the books for the Disney Wars trilogy: DLCs trying to make sense of the "story" they wrote.
This shows needs a parody in the level of Scary movie and you realize how little was required to make it a parody.
They got paid. They all got paid.
I think it's funny how those who liked the show in some capacity didn't think Halbrand was Sauron, and if they had any guess it was that he was either the Witch King or the King of the Dead. While everyone who disliked the show knew he was Sauron. lol.
I will admit to being a hater but I knew he was Sauron after those super-fan videos came out. The gay guy wanted to screw Sauron into turning good and Halbrand was the closest thing to an attractive guy on the show…
It's nearly forgotten already. Do they honestly think people will still remember it in 2 years.
"We just focus on the 100 influencers (we pay) that liked the show... Everybody else is simply too dumb to understand our genius writing. But, no problem, just watch it again and again..."
It just hit me they built the big forge and didn't even use it, they made the rings in Cel's old workshop.
Ugh... My response at this point is just "Burn it! BURN IT WITH FIRE!!!"
Why would Mentor Man be Saruman?
Probably so that they can shit on Christopher Lee's legacy as well.
Not just going after Tolkien but his friends too.
Bro ur like the best at this
You know...I've got a wild idea and need to see if this could fly. So...we all remember the nonsense of the showrunners saying Sauron will be like Walter White? What if we actually roll with that? We could see Breaking Bad retold in Middle Earth. Sauron figures out he's got cancer from hanging around smoggy Mordor and, wanting to insure some financial security, starts cooking and slinging some wild meth? Blue Dragon it'll be called. I think a show like that could go places...
Won’t work, meth is so 2010…clearly it needs to be a fentanyl based drug.
Sounds like Amazon needs to put out a companion book to Rings of Power, providing the background to the story and highlighting the important plot points which the show developed 😂
Thank you for defending Tolkien and calling out these hacks! Keep up the good work!
Keep up the great work/vids JSG…
Glad your voice has gotten better.