Another big advantage of the ground tent is size. Room to stand up, room for large dog bed, extra room when the weather is bad for days, more safety when heating with big buddy, guests, vestibule storage, etc. I have the Big Agnes flying diamond 8, hard to beat.
Gazelle T4 for me. I'm over 60YO with a body that has seen better days. I use a cot as well. Getting in and out of a RTT is just a non-starter, since kneeling down is very uncomfortable. Also, the higher profile of the T4 means I can stand up in it and be comfortable. The downside to the Gazelle is the weight and bulkiness. 35 pounds and about 5 feet long. Not easy to pack inside a Grand Cherokee! What I would consider doing, when I buy my Wrangler next year, is a rooftop conversion (like an Ursa Minor or Alu-Innovations, etc). Easy to step up into if you delete one of the back seats. The downside to that is it's difficult for 2 people to sleep with that configuration.
Nice video/series with a lot of good pointers, I sleep in the back of my '22 4runner for a lot of reasons that you mentioned. Most of my camping/fishing trips are in the Eastern Sierra=bear country and I like the security and I don't do tents anymore and I don't want to tow any type of trailer (55mph speed restriction)... Thanks guys
Funny, I have them all for different situations. I know it’s funny to have fun with the people that have gear for the image but I have found while it’s not absolutely necessary it is awesome to have the ability to leave the house after work and be in the mountains in an hour and pull in anywhere and pop the Rtt up and your camping. I have a big gsd dog and the Rtt is not that big of a deal. I made a folding ramp for him. My tent is setup on a half height bed rack. Moving to Colorado from the Midwest has proven to me why the Rtt is so loved here. For overlanding I have found it very hard to find a flat non rocky spot here at a moments notice to pitch a ground tent. When you arrive in the area you want to stay. After spending hours trying, you’ll be wishing you could just pull in to any tiny spot and pop that Rtt up. No worries about tent stakes going into rocks or having to climb down a mountain side to get to a flat spot. You should always have a plan B and if above tree line depending on the season it may make sense to use a dome tent. I have a hilleberg and it is bombproof. But I have to spend a lot of time finding a decent pitch and it’s usually not close to the truck. It’s much more time consuming to load sleeping pads and bags and your gear for the night. It’s more of a survival game than a relaxing camp out. Always bring a Walmart tent to pitch in a spot and then see if you can find a better spot or go explore. Come back and put the Rtt up in a couple minutes. So easy and convenient.
For my normal backpacking tent I use the lightweight aluminum stakes that come with it. For overlanding, I use the foot long steel stakes you can get off Amazon and bring a 2.5 lb steel mallet to bang them in. Not talking about the 10 inch nails with plastic on the end. I am talking about full blown foot long steel ones. They won’t bend or break. Problem is when your camping space is very rocky. Nothing will work then.
From personal experience, done most common in our FJ except a trailer. Inside bed platform, rooftop tent and ground tent. By far our favorite has to be our Gazelle tent. It’s huge inside. Can fit us extremely comfortable and easy to setup and tear down. Second best has been a bed platform. Fit a full size pad just fine inside the Fj. Our least has been the wedge style tent and even though it’s the fastest.. it’s not as comfortable.. down by your feet area it’s extremely cramped and I’m not even that tall. So from now on till maybe we find a different rooftop tent that’ll work.. ground tent gang all the way.
Another solid video. I agree on many of your points especially when you discuss having a lot of weight on top of your vehicle. I believe this doesn't get enough attention in the overlanding community. I'm not sure if people generally don't understand CG or if they just ignore the dangers of moving the CG of your vehicle up. I personally sleep in the back of my 4runner but also carry a tent. So far it works out great but like everything else is life, it isn't a "perfect" solution. Those don't exist. I say spend your money on going on trips on not buying a bunch of expensive gear only because you want to look like one of the "cool kids". Just my opinion.
Ive done Ground tent, Sleeping inside the GX, and now RTT and i cant say RTT is the way to go for most of my camp trips. Finding level ground where i camp is a luxury so ground tent loses on that front compared to RTT and Sleeping in truck. Slushy/Muddy ground - RTT / Sleeping in Truck wins Setup time - RTT (Sleeping bag and pillow store up top) > Sleeping in truck > Ground tent. Comfort - RTT > Ground tent > Truck Taking a pee in the middle of the night - Ground Tent > Truck > RTT One benefit to RTT is that i get to store some gear up top and free up space in my truck to simplify things a bit.
My best camping vehicle is my full size cargo van. EVERYTHING is inside of the vehicle. The only drawback is it is two wheel drive and also doubles as a tow vehicle. I looked for a 4wd conversion but prices are way too high. I do have a 4wd 4Runner for camping. I tried the tent that attaches to the rear. It was somewhat inconvenient. I'm actually going out tomorrow for the first time using a tall ground tent. I only use the tent for cooking, potty and changing clothes. I sleep inside of the 4Runner.
Great video, very helpful, thank you both! Another drawback of rooftop tent is you give up a lot of utility/storage use on your roof top, without roof top tent I can put couple of storage cases, solar panel, traction boards on top, otherwise will be impossible or at least not so practical to put on.
I can finally say that I’ve arrived on UA-cam now that I have a shout out on your channel (sleeping inside my 4Runner pic)! I am only 5’7” (on a good day) and the 4Runner allows me to sleep in the back in comfort. Oh yeah, and great video!
Great advice at the end of the video. Just buy a cheap ground tent and get out there. I spent a year gathering (buying) gear for Overlanding. But had never hit the first trail. Now lots of the things we spent money on never get used. We go to LBL a lot so base camping works best for us with 2 types of ground tent. But if you have a cheap tent a cooler and sleeping bag, JUST GET OUT THERE! Best advice I can give you. You will figure out what to spend money on. "Like a Good Portable Toilet" my wife won't go camping without it now.
45 years old. I love my RTT. Gatorade bottle for the win during the night. I just got back into camping at this ripe old age so using the bathroom at night was something I didn’t think about until AFTER I bought my RTT. I invested a lot so decided it was best just to take the Gatorade bottle. I like the added security of height with the disadvantages of weight and MPG’s. Those really make no difference to me. You guys hit on the biggest CON of a RTT though. Once you set it up, there’s no driving anywhere else unless you want to pack it all up but then you may lose out on your campsite. One problem is that most places that are great for camping are in high demand. If you don’t get there early enough, you’re going to miss out on the spot. So if you get the spot, you don’t want to drive around and lose it later. So you’re either hiking around all day or potentially losing that one spot you want to camp. Using a RTT I think you have to do a little more pre-planning and have a few backup camp spots in mind already. Love your guys videos. So down to earth and friendly. If you guys ever make it to any events in Rome Ga, let us know! Would love to meet you guys.
I’m a huge fan of my mountaineering style MSR ground tent. I’ve been through some significant rain and very high winds. That tent is built for any kind of weather. My vote is ground tent.
One idea I’ve had though is to buy a cheap 15 dollar tent to set up. Where I want to camp. Then I can drive around all day, come back, move the cheap tent and park my RTT where I want😂
Great video gang! I agree with many of your points and I feel I have tried them all and in all conditions. I travel, overland if you will mostly in the U.P. and Northern Wisconsin where as you two know well, there is plenty of wind, rain, bears and bugs to go around. not to mention humidity! I have had Marmot tents, MSR tents, Gazelles, Eureka, Oztents and four different Kodiak Canvas tents. Have also had overlanding open trailer with roof top tent, roof top tent upon my 2008 F.J., a Jayco Hummingbird Baja Edition , and currently have a Forest River E-Pro 15TB small travel trailer for less remote trips and a Runaway Venturist Off road trailer that I bought new in 2021 and outfitted to meet my off the grid trips and some campground site camping as well. Mostly I use the 6X8 Runaway for solo trips and the wife and I together use the 15TB. Works pretty well this way but double the maintainence .upkeep, expense Etc. In my own opinion I agree with you regarding not letting hype, peer pressure etc. sway your decision on your camping outfit design and desires. If I couldn't afford a 3500 to 4000 dollar RTT (I/most can't) then I wouldn't buy one. You need to spend that much to get a RTT that is EASY to set up and take down because it has to be a hard shell to accomplish that. All the other designs are NOT set up in 45 seconds as nearly everybody's company videos want you to believe as well as all the overlanders out there who produce youtube videos exalting the virtues of the products that have been GIVEN to them to review. Key word there is GIVEN. If i had to part with both of my trailers tomorrow, I would go out and buy a Kodiak Canvas 10 X 10 Flexbow for about $650 or an Oztent RV 3 for about $1100. Speaking of Oztent, I know that Wanderlost Overland WON your tent and it wasn;t given to you and I also recall you two's honest review of said tent. So pass on the $4000 RTT, invest about 12 Ben Franklins for a Kodiak, a couple good Teton cots and mattresses and a pair of good bags and use the rest for gasoline so you can actually get out and enjoy!
I've thought about going roof top but for my style of travel it doesn't make good sense, and I am getting up there in years. The thought of trying to get out and down in the middle of the night for nature calls is just not appealing. My trips are usually multi day in a given location, taking excursions from base camp so I have a nice roomy ground tent that I can actually stand up in. I have a 10x10 that is 7ft tall which is my home base. Add a queen size inflatable mattress and, voila, home sweet home for me and gear. The biggest downside is the beast is heavy, pushing 50lbs with poles and all, so I don't want to have to pack it very far from the 4Runner to set up camp. Might not be for everyone and I do have a nice smaller dome tent for easy set up and take down on those overnight stays, still big enough for the comfy mattress, just have to get dressed without standing.
Team hammock here. Sleep a night in any tent on any surface of your choosing, then sleep the next night in a cheap $15 hammock from Walmart, then you too will be team hammock. Not for winter camping though, team vehicle or ground tent every day of the week in the winter.
One word. Mobility! All your points are good ones but, RTT curtails mobility. Once open you have no base camp. That said, consider your requirements. I've been a ground hog forever. Done Arctic, Alaska, Western US, Baja - all trips up to two weeks to three months in length in a ground tent. Easy Peasy. Prepping a one year trip to Argentina and beyond - Will most likely go RTT.
Have to disagree with the ground tent better in wind, it's not, the ground tents we've used range in quality and shape and sixe, all have had bad effects in very high winds, the RTT's not a deformation or broken pole, not even a problem at all, in 50 mph with 70+mph gusts... yep, everything is noisy then... To be honest, the clamshell tents are more likely to have adverse issues with high winds than the traditional soft shell, which will not fold down in very high winds. Yes RTT's are a costly item, but they have a good resale value after many years too, so actually, they're not that bad. plus they sell almost instantly on the second hand market. as for getting in and out, you're subjective soley towards a dog... which can sleep in the annex or in the vehicle. You actually forget the security of the vehicle in the RTT, it makes you much less likely to have the vehicle broken into as you're on top of it, not a way away from it. Putting the RTT to the back of the vehicle actually doesn't massively effect the mpg with a lot of vehicles, plus it gives you all the space inside aswell!! if it does give a lower mpg, give it a small wind deflector. RTT's weigh about 100kg max, for a really heavy metal shell version, which let's face it, not many people have, soft shell is about 65kg, and you can store the bedding in it, so frees up all the space inside! Sleeping in a vehicle in winter is colder than outside - so get a tent. Trailers are great, especially with a RTT on top! My ground tents are 28 and 29 years old, and have seen more than a lot of nights out in all sorts of weathers. I bought a RTT for a lot of reasons, mostly for a better night's sleep, and less things in the vehicle. I have the capability to have on either a trailer or the vehicle and all round it is the best option for me.
I hate nylon zippers. It’s almost impossible to find tents with metal zippers . Personally I just sleep in my FJ. I’m 6 ft. and have room to stretch. I also have a 4x8 runaway camper for staying in one spot for awhile.
i'm 6ft. i removed the rear seat from my FJ and put a piece of plywood down. i have to move the front seats all the way forward to be able to stretch out all the way. and i have to fill in the hole between the plywood and the seatback with junk so my feet are supported. head in rear, not up my rear.
That's me at 9:00 😊😊❤
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I run a Softtopper with a cot in the bed of my truck. Works great for me, setup/teardown is just opening and closing the tailgate. 😁 Good video!
Another big advantage of the ground tent is size. Room to stand up, room for large dog bed, extra room when the weather is bad for days, more safety when heating with big buddy, guests, vestibule storage, etc. I have the Big Agnes flying diamond 8, hard to beat.
Ground tent gang. Mine is a pop up front runner style ground tent. More than enough room for my wife, kiddo and myself. Cheers.
Gazelle T4 for me. I'm over 60YO with a body that has seen better days. I use a cot as well. Getting in and out of a RTT is just a non-starter, since kneeling down is very uncomfortable. Also, the higher profile of the T4 means I can stand up in it and be comfortable. The downside to the Gazelle is the weight and bulkiness. 35 pounds and about 5 feet long. Not easy to pack inside a Grand Cherokee! What I would consider doing, when I buy my Wrangler next year, is a rooftop conversion (like an Ursa Minor or Alu-Innovations, etc). Easy to step up into if you delete one of the back seats. The downside to that is it's difficult for 2 people to sleep with that configuration.
Nice video/series with a lot of good pointers, I sleep in the back of my '22 4runner for a lot of reasons that you mentioned. Most of my camping/fishing trips are in the Eastern Sierra=bear country and I like the security and I don't do tents anymore and I don't want to tow any type of trailer (55mph speed restriction)...
Thanks guys
Funny, I have them all for different situations. I know it’s funny to have fun with the people that have gear for the image but I have found while it’s not absolutely necessary it is awesome to have the ability to leave the house after work and be in the mountains in an hour and pull in anywhere and pop the Rtt up and your camping. I have a big gsd dog and the Rtt is not that big of a deal. I made a folding ramp for him. My tent is setup on a half height bed rack. Moving to Colorado from the Midwest has proven to me why the Rtt is so loved here. For overlanding I have found it very hard to find a flat non rocky spot here at a moments notice to pitch a ground tent. When you arrive in the area you want to stay. After spending hours trying, you’ll be wishing you could just pull in to any tiny spot and pop that Rtt up. No worries about tent stakes going into rocks or having to climb down a mountain side to get to a flat spot. You should always have a plan B and if above tree line depending on the season it may make sense to use a dome tent. I have a hilleberg and it is bombproof. But I have to spend a lot of time finding a decent pitch and it’s usually not close to the truck. It’s much more time consuming to load sleeping pads and bags and your gear for the night. It’s more of a survival game than a relaxing camp out. Always bring a Walmart tent to pitch in a spot and then see if you can find a better spot or go explore. Come back and put the Rtt up in a couple minutes. So easy and convenient.
For my normal backpacking tent I use the lightweight aluminum stakes that come with it. For overlanding, I use the foot long steel stakes you can get off Amazon and bring a 2.5 lb steel mallet to bang them in. Not talking about the 10 inch nails with plastic on the end. I am talking about full blown foot long steel ones. They won’t bend or break. Problem is when your camping space is very rocky. Nothing will work then.
From personal experience, done most common in our FJ except a trailer. Inside bed platform, rooftop tent and ground tent.
By far our favorite has to be our Gazelle tent. It’s huge inside. Can fit us extremely comfortable and easy to setup and tear down.
Second best has been a bed platform. Fit a full size pad just fine inside the Fj.
Our least has been the wedge style tent and even though it’s the fastest.. it’s not as comfortable.. down by your feet area it’s extremely cramped and I’m not even that tall.
So from now on till maybe we find a different rooftop tent that’ll work.. ground tent gang all the way.
Another solid video. I agree on many of your points especially when you discuss having a lot of weight on top of your vehicle. I believe this doesn't get enough attention in the overlanding community. I'm not sure if people generally don't understand CG or if they just ignore the dangers of moving the CG of your vehicle up. I personally sleep in the back of my 4runner but also carry a tent. So far it works out great but like everything else is life, it isn't a "perfect" solution. Those don't exist. I say spend your money on going on trips on not buying a bunch of expensive gear only because you want to look like one of the "cool kids". Just my opinion.
Solid advice. 👍
Excellent as always
Thank you! Cheers!
Ive done Ground tent, Sleeping inside the GX, and now RTT and i cant say RTT is the way to go for most of my camp trips.
Finding level ground where i camp is a luxury so ground tent loses on that front compared to RTT and Sleeping in truck.
Slushy/Muddy ground - RTT / Sleeping in Truck wins
Setup time - RTT (Sleeping bag and pillow store up top) > Sleeping in truck > Ground tent.
Comfort - RTT > Ground tent > Truck
Taking a pee in the middle of the night - Ground Tent > Truck > RTT
One benefit to RTT is that i get to store some gear up top and free up space in my truck to simplify things a bit.
Thanks for the Great video keep it up much Love Wanderlost Overland!! Can't wait to see you guys again !
My best camping vehicle is my full size cargo van. EVERYTHING is inside of the vehicle. The only drawback is it is two wheel drive and also doubles as a tow vehicle. I looked for a 4wd conversion but prices are way too high.
I do have a 4wd 4Runner for camping. I tried the tent that attaches to the rear. It was somewhat inconvenient. I'm actually going out tomorrow for the first time using a tall ground tent. I only use the tent for cooking, potty and changing clothes. I sleep inside of the 4Runner.
Great video, very helpful, thank you both! Another drawback of rooftop tent is you give up a lot of utility/storage use on your roof top, without roof top tent I can put couple of storage cases, solar panel, traction boards on top, otherwise will be impossible or at least not so practical to put on.
Thanks for sharing!
I can finally say that I’ve arrived on UA-cam now that I have a shout out on your channel (sleeping inside my 4Runner pic)! I am only 5’7” (on a good day) and the 4Runner allows me to sleep in the back in comfort. Oh yeah, and great video!
Yay! Thank you!
With my FJ I use a Gazelle T3x. I put a cot down one side and a table and chair down the other. Never had an issue in wind or rain.
Great advice at the end of the video. Just buy a cheap ground tent and get out there. I spent a year gathering (buying) gear for Overlanding. But had never hit the first trail. Now lots of the things we spent money on never get used. We go to LBL a lot so base camping works best for us with 2 types of ground tent. But if you have a cheap tent a cooler and sleeping bag, JUST GET OUT THERE! Best advice I can give you. You will figure out what to spend money on. "Like a Good Portable Toilet" my wife won't go camping without it now.
45 years old. I love my RTT. Gatorade bottle for the win during the night. I just got back into camping at this ripe old age so using the bathroom at night was something I didn’t think about until AFTER I bought my RTT. I invested a lot so decided it was best just to take the Gatorade bottle. I like the added security of height with the disadvantages of weight and MPG’s. Those really make no difference to me. You guys hit on the biggest CON of a RTT though. Once you set it up, there’s no driving anywhere else unless you want to pack it all up but then you may lose out on your campsite. One problem is that most places that are great for camping are in high demand. If you don’t get there early enough, you’re going to miss out on the spot. So if you get the spot, you don’t want to drive around and lose it later. So you’re either hiking around all day or potentially losing that one spot you want to camp. Using a RTT I think you have to do a little more pre-planning and have a few backup camp spots in mind already. Love your guys videos. So down to earth and friendly. If you guys ever make it to any events in Rome Ga, let us know! Would love to meet you guys.
just put down a folding chair and a few odd n ends at the campsite. no one's gonna take your site.
I’m a huge fan of my mountaineering style MSR ground tent. I’ve been through some significant rain and very high winds. That tent is built for any kind of weather. My vote is ground tent.
Love the videos. My FJ will be getting a RTT towards the final stage of my build. Keep making awesome content and hope to see y’all on a trail!💪🏻💪🏻🇺🇸
One idea I’ve had though is to buy a cheap 15 dollar tent to set up. Where I want to camp. Then I can drive around all day, come back, move the cheap tent and park my RTT where I want😂
We have a cheap tent for if our kids come along, and it's always in the rig for this reason! (We sleep inside our rig)
I have an RTT on my Tacoma but I also bring a $150 popup Gnd tent & airbed in case the wind is heavy I use grd tent. They small can squeeze anywhere.
Great video gang! I agree with many of your points and I feel I have tried them all and in all conditions. I travel, overland if you will mostly in the U.P. and Northern Wisconsin where as you two know well, there is plenty of wind, rain, bears and bugs to go around. not to mention humidity! I have had Marmot tents, MSR tents, Gazelles, Eureka, Oztents and four different Kodiak Canvas tents. Have also had overlanding open trailer with roof top tent, roof top tent upon my 2008 F.J., a Jayco Hummingbird Baja Edition , and currently have a Forest River E-Pro 15TB small travel trailer for less remote trips and a Runaway Venturist Off road trailer that I bought new in 2021 and outfitted to meet my off the grid trips and some campground site camping as well. Mostly I use the 6X8 Runaway for solo trips and the wife and I together use the 15TB. Works pretty well this way but double the maintainence .upkeep, expense Etc. In my own opinion I agree with you regarding not letting hype, peer pressure etc. sway your decision on your camping outfit design and desires. If I couldn't afford a 3500 to 4000 dollar RTT (I/most can't) then I wouldn't buy one. You need to spend that much to get a RTT that is EASY to set up and take down because it has to be a hard shell to accomplish that. All the other designs are NOT set up in 45 seconds as nearly everybody's company videos want you to believe as well as all the overlanders out there who produce youtube videos exalting the virtues of the products that have been GIVEN to them to review. Key word there is GIVEN. If i had to part with both of my trailers tomorrow, I would go out and buy a Kodiak Canvas 10 X 10 Flexbow for about $650 or an Oztent RV 3 for about $1100. Speaking of Oztent, I know that Wanderlost Overland WON your tent and it wasn;t given to you and I also recall you two's honest review of said tent. So pass on the $4000 RTT, invest about 12 Ben Franklins for a Kodiak, a couple good Teton cots and mattresses and a pair of good bags and use the rest for gasoline so you can actually get out and enjoy!
i met a guy in arizona who slept out in open on a roof rack on his 4 Runner. ingenious. but obviously summer only.
I've thought about going roof top but for my style of travel it doesn't make good sense, and I am getting up there in years. The thought of trying to get out and down in the middle of the night for nature calls is just not appealing. My trips are usually multi day in a given location, taking excursions from base camp so I have a nice roomy ground tent that I can actually stand up in. I have a 10x10 that is 7ft tall which is my home base. Add a queen size inflatable mattress and, voila, home sweet home for me and gear. The biggest downside is the beast is heavy, pushing 50lbs with poles and all, so I don't want to have to pack it very far from the 4Runner to set up camp. Might not be for everyone and I do have a nice smaller dome tent for easy set up and take down on those overnight stays, still big enough for the comfy mattress, just have to get dressed without standing.
You guys are awesome 👌
Team hammock here. Sleep a night in any tent on any surface of your choosing, then sleep the next night in a cheap $15 hammock from Walmart, then you too will be team hammock.
Not for winter camping though, team vehicle or ground tent every day of the week in the winter.
One word. Mobility! All your points are good ones but, RTT curtails mobility. Once open you have no base camp. That said, consider your requirements. I've been a ground hog forever. Done Arctic, Alaska, Western US, Baja - all trips up to two weeks to three months in length in a ground tent. Easy Peasy. Prepping a one year trip to Argentina and beyond - Will most likely go RTT.
Real windy or bears in the area Time to sleep inside my suv. Otherwise, I use my Gazelle 3x. Roomy and solid when staked down
If you’re over 50, screw the roof top tent!
Pfft. Slow down...get old. I'm 43 and still rock climb hard. It's a state of mind. 😉
@@bkl8804 , I’m retired now, pushing 60 YO and a bit slower. Plus, an older large Rottweiler who can climb up into a RTT.
I'm 70 and RTT is fine!
@@mountainlife1165 That's my issue...how to handle my beloved dog and adventure buddy.
Yeh over 50, RTT is still fine.
Sleep in vehicle if possible and a SUV tent for standup room, flex space. Lowest price of all.
something i've been contemplating.....a ground tent pitched on a solid or mesh roof rack. biggest cost is the $1,000 roof rack. waddyathink?
Have to disagree with the ground tent better in wind, it's not, the ground tents we've used range in quality and shape and sixe, all have had bad effects in very high winds, the RTT's not a deformation or broken pole, not even a problem at all, in 50 mph with 70+mph gusts... yep, everything is noisy then... To be honest, the clamshell tents are more likely to have adverse issues with high winds than the traditional soft shell, which will not fold down in very high winds.
Yes RTT's are a costly item, but they have a good resale value after many years too, so actually, they're not that bad. plus they sell almost instantly on the second hand market. as for getting in and out, you're subjective soley towards a dog... which can sleep in the annex or in the vehicle. You actually forget the security of the vehicle in the RTT, it makes you much less likely to have the vehicle broken into as you're on top of it, not a way away from it.
Putting the RTT to the back of the vehicle actually doesn't massively effect the mpg with a lot of vehicles, plus it gives you all the space inside aswell!! if it does give a lower mpg, give it a small wind deflector.
RTT's weigh about 100kg max, for a really heavy metal shell version, which let's face it, not many people have, soft shell is about 65kg, and you can store the bedding in it, so frees up all the space inside!
Sleeping in a vehicle in winter is colder than outside - so get a tent.
Trailers are great, especially with a RTT on top!
My ground tents are 28 and 29 years old, and have seen more than a lot of nights out in all sorts of weathers. I bought a RTT for a lot of reasons, mostly for a better night's sleep, and less things in the vehicle. I have the capability to have on either a trailer or the vehicle and all round it is the best option for me.
What's your go to tent?
Never seen a black bear climb a ladder to eat the inhabitants. Roof top tent wins
I hate nylon zippers. It’s almost impossible to find tents with metal zippers . Personally I just sleep in my FJ. I’m 6 ft. and have room to stretch. I also have a 4x8 runaway camper for staying in one spot for awhile.
Hey, I also have a 2008 F.J. (color, Sandstorm) and a Runaway 6X8 Venturist, Iron Mountain, Mi. AKA "Superior Overland".
Metal Zippers freeze and rust
@@North3rn_Nomad yep. And they still work. A little oil fixes the rust and I don’t camp in freezing weather😀
i'm 6ft. i removed the rear seat from my FJ and put a piece of plywood down. i have to move the front seats all the way forward to be able to stretch out all the way. and i have to fill in the hole between the plywood and the seatback with junk so my feet are supported. head in rear, not up my rear.
That's my Camper at the 9 minute mark
Ckeck youtube. They love ladders