Appreciate you big time for the support! This is MJ, the CEO, and we are on a mission to bring helpful ways of AI and embracing the new technology to musicians, WHILE protecting the musician by intentionally not doing things like 'stealing' data from musicians (we pay artists for every line of data in our training data), and putting 'guardrails' on how far AI should go, so the human creator always prevails. Thank you!
Excellent review my man, although I gotta be honest, and I will try to make this criticism as constructive as possible, it's not worth the money and here's why. Although this is some nice software and I really like the user-interface design, it's not bringing anything new to the table that would warrant yet another subscription. Artists in music and other disciplines are getting tired of the subscription approach because all these tools add up and the will be weeks or months where you're not doing much but the cost will still be hitting your wallet. Artists don't really plan their inspiration or downtime. Subscriptions are like a hemorrhaging wound that just drains you. They suck. But developers and product managers should know this by now. If not, they should go back and look at all the videos and comments being put out when Waves Audio decided to go subscription model. For me, it's a HELL NO. Especially since AI midi is not new with tools like Insta Composer from W.A.Production and melody sauce. The Captain plugins offer a more refined experience when it comes to generating parts, especially with their call/answer options. Maybe if this tool was a regular perpetual license, it would be worth of praise and adding to the toolkit but it's certainly not deserving of a monthly commitment in my books. It's a nice implementation of a concept, but it doesn't have that much to offer. AI is not that big of a deal anyway, not until you can produce a whole song with all of it's parts (Insta Composer comes close). I still find Scaler 2 to be more useful than all of the above. And scaler and all of the above are perpetual licenses.
yeah but if i was a beginner, I wouldn't want to be committing to regular monthly payments while I'm still learning and trying to find out what tools and workflows I like.
Can you upload almost finished mp3 new song and get a bridge instrumental recommendation? I can do that in Udio. Can you guide it by copying beatsource musician analyze him copy it similar chords? Can it differentiate between hip hop vs Edm? Can it go on emotional mood somehow?
Sounds very random, more like a random generator than AI. I think if I drop my head on the keyboard, I get the same results. But I like the idea behind it and hope the results will be better.
its not a random generator. its trained on progressions from several artists (with their permission) and generates new MIDI based on relevant input data like key/scale, chord, melody, etc...
in a way it is. just like anytime you use MIDI. I guess you've never used drum MIDI or piano midi or virtual instruments with built-in sequences before...right 🤦♂
Can you use credits for beatstars sister co of Beatsource? Is ezkeys, Captain plug-ins keeps all together in harmony more like bass? Or Scaler 2, instacomposer 2, arcade, unison midi, which one or two to buy? Hip hop and Edm. Links to free sample packs best instruments please? What’s better for melody, which one allows me to upload two track audio sample for ai to match kind of how captain plugin sounds match?
reminds me of some old deck of index type cards that you would place next to each other, depending on the little notes. just on DAWs. same shit, different gen implementation. anything helps if you want to use it.
Anyone who wants to make "music" in this way is welcome to do so. Personally, I would feel pretty weird doing it, somehow embarrassing and less and less honest. No, thanks.😅
so you've never used MIDI files or a virtual instrument with built-in progressions (which are just internal MIDI files) I assume you setup 18 mics for your drum kit every time you need drums right? And you hire a full orchestra when you need some string sounds 🙄 You don't use amp plugins either because those sounds were modeled by someone else and that makes it not "music" In fact, you can't even use a DAW, because that tool set to edit. cut, and copy didn't exist 50 years ago, therefore = not music. 🤣
@@BenoniStudio I should have formulated it a little more precisely: My statement basically referred to the AI-MIDI generator. It's basically just a matter of rolling the dice to get a suitable result in various tracks. VST instruments in themselves are a blessing for recording. But for me, there comes a point where I let *everything* be chewed up for me and just put little blocks together. But everyone can do what they want 😅
@@michaelmos7497 I really don't see how an AI MIDI generator is any different from MIDI Packs which have been around forever. Do you also hate MIDI packs? Do you hate MIDI plugins like Scaler or an Arpeggiator plugin? All of these tools have a use - to make things faster. The idea of Lemonaide is not to replace musicians, but to give them a tool of inspiration and help them go from idea to finished song faster. I think you should watch the intro video from the founder CEO - these guys are musicians, building tools for musicians and they ARE PAYING musicians for their input to the AI models - which almost no one does. They call the AI model "seeds" because it's meant to be a seed of inspiration for creating a song. No different than using a loop, or hearing a song on the radio, or hearing a phrase during a podcast that you build a song around. Maybe your process is different, and that's fine - but a lot of musicians will pick up on something external and use that as the 'seed' for a song. Just like David Lee Roth will pickup on things around him, write them down, and create songs around those 'seeds' ua-cam.com/video/51wt6YAmzeY/v-deo.html
There are Arpeggiator plugins, but yeah, not quiet the same as AI generating the pattern. This is still gen 1 for the Lemonaide AI model, so maybe if people want it they will create an Arp model. I'd like to see a drum model too.
Took a look at this . Whenever i saw subscription model, i simply closed it down. Not even consider this type of rubbish that is becoming more and more prevailent. No thanks.
subscriptions are the way everything will go. especially for AI based apps that keep getting smarter over time. I've already discussed this in detail here Why Plugin Subscriptions will be the Smart Move in 2025 and Beyond | The AI Paradigm Shift ua-cam.com/video/M6gZTrzqj74/v-deo.html It's just reality. Sub when you need something, unsub when you don't. Doesn't mean I like it, it's just how it's going to work. As for Lemonaide, you can sub for $9.99, export 150 MIDI ideas, unsub, and use those 150 MIDI files forever. Cheaper than most MIDI packs. And if it sparks an idea, surly you can make more than $9.99 on a song.
@@BenoniStudio they will ONLY go that way if people like me subscribe to them, otherwise you will have no customers. I know exactly what’s behind the subscription platform ‘ you will own nothing and be happy’ No thanks mate.
@@garyhendrie4001 do you really think this company subscribes to the ideas of Klaus Schwab? Or maybe a subscription model is the only way something like this works? What's more likely? What would you say is a good payment model for an AI MIDI generator that gets better over time? Keep in mind they (Lemonaide) have to pay for server space on a monthly bases to keep the service working. They also pay employees for creating the app, and they pay artists for their contributions to the AI model. How could they sell this with a perpetual license when the AI model needs continuous updates and service and it continues to grow? Maybe they could offer a $599 one-time payment? But wouldn't that be out of reach for most people? I think you are misplacing your angst for the shadow government on this company. Some things only work with a subscription model. Like your phone plan, or TV subscription(s), or insurance, or Uber Eats, or Walmart+, or Amazon Prime. Lemonaide isn't like a MIDI generator based on music theory that is a "dead app" meaning the backend is programmed algorithmically to produce results based on known music theory. It's a living thing that is based on data fed to it from real progressions in conjunction with music theory. Not that there's anything wrong with MIDI generators that are "dead apps" Stuff like Scaler 2 is awesome - but they are based on totally different backends. Plus, you do own the MIDI once you export it. You are paying for the service to generate the MIDI and export it. Once you own all you need, unsubscribe. I think you misunderstand the problem with the WEF declaration of "you will own nothing and be happy". It has nothing to do with software. It's about owning a house, land, car, business, sofa, etc... physical stuff, not digital stuff, which you never owned anyway since every ToS explicitly says what you have is a license to use the product, but you do not OWN the software product.
Appreciate you big time for the support! This is MJ, the CEO, and we are on a mission to bring helpful ways of AI and embracing the new technology to musicians, WHILE protecting the musician by intentionally not doing things like 'stealing' data from musicians (we pay artists for every line of data in our training data), and putting 'guardrails' on how far AI should go, so the human creator always prevails. Thank you!
Excellent review my man, although I gotta be honest, and I will try to make this criticism as constructive as possible, it's not worth the money and here's why. Although this is some nice software and I really like the user-interface design, it's not bringing anything new to the table that would warrant yet another subscription. Artists in music and other disciplines are getting tired of the subscription approach because all these tools add up and the will be weeks or months where you're not doing much but the cost will still be hitting your wallet. Artists don't really plan their inspiration or downtime. Subscriptions are like a hemorrhaging wound that just drains you. They suck. But developers and product managers should know this by now. If not, they should go back and look at all the videos and comments being put out when Waves Audio decided to go subscription model. For me, it's a HELL NO. Especially since AI midi is not new with tools like Insta Composer from W.A.Production and melody sauce. The Captain plugins offer a more refined experience when it comes to generating parts, especially with their call/answer options. Maybe if this tool was a regular perpetual license, it would be worth of praise and adding to the toolkit but it's certainly not deserving of a monthly commitment in my books. It's a nice implementation of a concept, but it doesn't have that much to offer. AI is not that big of a deal anyway, not until you can produce a whole song with all of it's parts (Insta Composer comes close). I still find Scaler 2 to be more useful than all of the above. And scaler and all of the above are perpetual licenses.
Have to use credits per midi export. Naw bro that leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
Instacomposer 2 from scaler 2 or alone is better melodies?
Scaler 2 seems more sophisticated better sounds? Less basic? Instacomposer 2? Exkeys checking out now.
It's actually cool for beginners or fast Alternate Melodies. Preferably I would love to play my keys 🎹 pore out my emotion and feelings😊
yeah but if i was a beginner, I wouldn't want to be committing to regular monthly payments while I'm still learning and trying to find out what tools and workflows I like.
What’s best virtual free instrument for each Edm and each hip hop basic instruments?
Can you upload almost finished mp3 new song and get a bridge instrumental recommendation? I can do that in Udio. Can you guide it by copying beatsource musician analyze him copy it similar chords? Can it differentiate between hip hop vs Edm? Can it go on emotional mood somehow?
Sounds very random, more like a random generator than AI. I think if I drop my head on the keyboard, I get the same results. But I like the idea behind it and hope the results will be better.
its not a random generator. its trained on progressions from several artists (with their permission) and generates new MIDI based on relevant input data like key/scale, chord, melody, etc...
I hope not.
Sounds like a robot playing piano 😂
in a way it is. just like anytime you use MIDI. I guess you've never used drum MIDI or piano midi or virtual instruments with built-in sequences before...right 🤦♂
@@BenoniStudioyour guess is wrong 😂
Can you use credits for beatstars sister co of Beatsource? Is ezkeys, Captain plug-ins keeps all together in harmony more like bass? Or Scaler 2, instacomposer 2, arcade, unison midi, which one or two to buy? Hip hop and Edm. Links to free sample packs best instruments please? What’s better for melody, which one allows me to upload two track audio sample for ai to match kind of how captain plugin sounds match?
What tools can be used to recreate into 432hz?
that would be the tuning you use in your virtual instrument.
cant chose a genre?
So August 2024 and AI is still shit at this (clearly) I'll check back in a year.
nah, it's good. sounds great.
reminds me of some old deck of index type cards that you would place next to each other, depending on the little notes. just on DAWs. same shit, different gen implementation. anything helps if you want to use it.
Better is to buy scaler and insta composer. Same thing. More powerful.
Dope ty..
is there an AI singer voice generator based on midi or text input?
yes. i will demo it soon-ish
Emvoice or Vocaloid.
Anyone who wants to make "music" in this way is welcome to do so. Personally, I would feel pretty weird doing it, somehow embarrassing and less and less honest. No, thanks.😅
Boomer
so you've never used MIDI files or a virtual instrument with built-in progressions (which are just internal MIDI files) I assume you setup 18 mics for your drum kit every time you need drums right? And you hire a full orchestra when you need some string sounds 🙄 You don't use amp plugins either because those sounds were modeled by someone else and that makes it not "music"
In fact, you can't even use a DAW, because that tool set to edit. cut, and copy didn't exist 50 years ago, therefore = not music. 🤣
@@BenoniStudio I should have formulated it a little more precisely: My statement basically referred to the AI-MIDI generator. It's basically just a matter of rolling the dice to get a suitable result in various tracks. VST instruments in themselves are a blessing for recording. But for me, there comes a point where I let *everything* be chewed up for me and just put little blocks together. But everyone can do what they want 😅
@@J77199 😅exactly
@@michaelmos7497 I really don't see how an AI MIDI generator is any different from MIDI Packs which have been around forever. Do you also hate MIDI packs? Do you hate MIDI plugins like Scaler or an Arpeggiator plugin? All of these tools have a use - to make things faster.
The idea of Lemonaide is not to replace musicians, but to give them a tool of inspiration and help them go from idea to finished song faster. I think you should watch the intro video from the founder CEO - these guys are musicians, building tools for musicians and they ARE PAYING musicians for their input to the AI models - which almost no one does.
They call the AI model "seeds" because it's meant to be a seed of inspiration for creating a song. No different than using a loop, or hearing a song on the radio, or hearing a phrase during a podcast that you build a song around.
Maybe your process is different, and that's fine - but a lot of musicians will pick up on something external and use that as the 'seed' for a song.
Just like David Lee Roth will pickup on things around him, write them down, and create songs around those 'seeds'
ua-cam.com/video/51wt6YAmzeY/v-deo.html
Looks crap, and screw yet another subscription only plugin!
We need AI generation of arpeggiator patterns...Just sayin'...😶🌫😎
There are Arpeggiator plugins, but yeah, not quiet the same as AI generating the pattern. This is still gen 1 for the Lemonaide AI model, so maybe if people want it they will create an Arp model. I'd like to see a drum model too.
@@BenoniStudio I'm guessing it's ALL coming!🙃😎
It's just an algorithmic generator. There is no AI involved. Nothing new about randomizers.
Took a look at this . Whenever i saw subscription model, i simply closed it down. Not even consider this type of rubbish that is becoming more and more prevailent. No thanks.
subscriptions are the way everything will go. especially for AI based apps that keep getting smarter over time. I've already discussed this in detail here
Why Plugin Subscriptions will be the Smart Move in 2025 and Beyond | The AI Paradigm Shift
ua-cam.com/video/M6gZTrzqj74/v-deo.html
It's just reality. Sub when you need something, unsub when you don't. Doesn't mean I like it, it's just how it's going to work.
As for Lemonaide, you can sub for $9.99, export 150 MIDI ideas, unsub, and use those 150 MIDI files forever. Cheaper than most MIDI packs. And if it sparks an idea, surly you can make more than $9.99 on a song.
@@BenoniStudio they will ONLY go that way if people like me subscribe to them, otherwise you will have no customers. I know exactly what’s behind the subscription platform ‘ you will own nothing and be happy’ No thanks mate.
@@garyhendrie4001 do you really think this company subscribes to the ideas of Klaus Schwab? Or maybe a subscription model is the only way something like this works? What's more likely?
What would you say is a good payment model for an AI MIDI generator that gets better over time? Keep in mind they (Lemonaide) have to pay for server space on a monthly bases to keep the service working. They also pay employees for creating the app, and they pay artists for their contributions to the AI model.
How could they sell this with a perpetual license when the AI model needs continuous updates and service and it continues to grow? Maybe they could offer a $599 one-time payment? But wouldn't that be out of reach for most people?
I think you are misplacing your angst for the shadow government on this company. Some things only work with a subscription model. Like your phone plan, or TV subscription(s), or insurance, or Uber Eats, or Walmart+, or Amazon Prime. Lemonaide isn't like a MIDI generator based on music theory that is a "dead app" meaning the backend is programmed algorithmically to produce results based on known music theory. It's a living thing that is based on data fed to it from real progressions in conjunction with music theory. Not that there's anything wrong with MIDI generators that are "dead apps" Stuff like Scaler 2 is awesome - but they are based on totally different backends.
Plus, you do own the MIDI once you export it. You are paying for the service to generate the MIDI and export it. Once you own all you need, unsubscribe.
I think you misunderstand the problem with the WEF declaration of "you will own nothing and be happy". It has nothing to do with software. It's about owning a house, land, car, business, sofa, etc... physical stuff, not digital stuff, which you never owned anyway since every ToS explicitly says what you have is a license to use the product, but you do not OWN the software product.
@@BenoniStudio really touched a nerve.
@@garyhendrie4001 🤡
Pas convaincue...
Not sure it’s AI, sounds more like a random note generator. My cat does better walking across the keyboard.
Trash
AI MIDI Drum generator
Banal and childish!
someones been browsing the thesaurus 🤣
@@BenoniStudio Fantastic, Mozart replied to me! 🌀🌀🌀