The Queen Who Was The Saviour...And Destruction Of France? | Isabeau of Bavaria

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  • Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
  • Isabeau of Bavaria was not merely queen of France - thanks to her husband, Charles VI, falling into madness, she became an astute and respected politician, and a skilled mediator. But this also led to her becoming a target for those who disagreed with her allies, and Isabeau would play both sides throughout her queenship, flipping from the Burgundians to the Orléanists, and back again. Ultimately, Isabeau ended up with a bad reputation due to the fact she behaved as a man would have, even though she was a woman. This video peels back the propaganda about Isabeau, and reveals the real power behind the French throne...
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 66

  • @LKMNOP
    @LKMNOP 4 дні тому +48

    It's so strange to today's thinking that a mother would be deemed by her husband as being Co-guardian of her own children.
    It's also interesting that they called her flaky because she kept switching sides in political moves. All male rulers have been doing that since day one. But because she was a woman, she was flaky.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  4 дні тому +9

      You're absolutely right - basically, anything they could use against her had to come down to the fact a woman was doing it, not a man. In fact, many of the very men involved at this time equally switched sides (her sons included), and yet none of them were called out on it.

    • @Ravenproctor2966
      @Ravenproctor2966 3 дні тому +4

      ​@@HistorysForgottenPeople all that crap she had to put up with.

    • @leeannproctor47
      @leeannproctor47 3 дні тому +5

      Another queen who was superior to her husband and was hated for it.

  • @jamellfoster6029
    @jamellfoster6029 4 дні тому +22

    Isabeau had to be very intelligent. People of her time couldn't handle a strong, intelligent lady. Thus they looked disdainfully upon her. Yet through her daughter, Katherine, she is the ancestress of the British monarchy from the Tudors through the present day

  • @PonderousProse
    @PonderousProse 4 дні тому +16

    Isabella of Valois was just seven years old when she married Richard II, in 1396. Yikes.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  4 дні тому

      Oh, there's a very uncomfortable picture of them meeting from the time that always strikes me, because it was a contemporary image, and even then it shows how awkward it was. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Isabella_of_Valois_muz_otec.jpg

    • @monikagrosch9632
      @monikagrosch9632 21 годину тому

      Well, the marriage would not have been consummated, but in this way the political treaties were cemented

  • @jazminmuro9692
    @jazminmuro9692 4 дні тому +13

    I think Isabeau of Bavaria is a very misunderstood character. In fact, during their marriage, Charles trusted his wife despite he has mental condition thinking he was made of glass. After all, they had many children together doesn't prove there was love between them despite France suffering 100 years of war.
    I think she did try to protect not only her husband's crown but her children's inheritance to the French throne.
    Besides she had to switch sides to see if it could benefit France or alliances to secure. It was a difficult time for queens to be seen as respected co-rulers and try to mend the damages of France.

    • @leeannproctor47
      @leeannproctor47 3 дні тому +2

      A queen's job is protecting the children's inheritance.

    • @lilacgirl-z8w
      @lilacgirl-z8w 3 дні тому +1

      John the fearless had to be brave for getting on the royals bad side.

  • @lfgifu296
    @lfgifu296 4 дні тому +11

    oooh lucky for me that I have a presentation to prepare so I’m sleeping late anyways lol, this way at least I’m on time for the video :)

    • @DarthDread-oh2ne
      @DarthDread-oh2ne 4 дні тому +5

      Good luck with your project.

    • @lfgifu296
      @lfgifu296 4 дні тому +2

      @@DarthDread-oh2nethanks! Very much appreciated!

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  4 дні тому +3

      Good luck with your presentation! 😊 I know, I've been horribly late with this video between a business trip last week and school starting. 😢 I will definitely get the next one up at a more reasonable time, haha.

    • @lilacgirl-z8w
      @lilacgirl-z8w 3 дні тому

      Sorry she had to go through 12 pregnancies.

    • @Ravenproctor2966
      @Ravenproctor2966 3 дні тому

      Thank God for birth control.

  • @KangElla1666
    @KangElla1666 4 дні тому +6

    Please do a video on Aelfgifu of Northampton

  • @English_Dawn
    @English_Dawn 4 дні тому +5

    It was the quick thinking of a duchesse that saved Charles, her husband at the dance at the Hotel Saint-Pol.
    Louis had been visiting a lady who was due to give birth when returning to the Hotel Saint-Pol he was adjusting his scarf when he was dragged from his horse, his servant trying to protect him being sadly murdered then he himself sadly met the same fate.
    Vengeance met with John the Fearless on the bridge at Montereau.
    It was this act that allowed the English to the French throne.
    Louis Duke of Orleans son was captured in battle by the English and leant English and wrote many poems in English.

  • @anweshabiswas1483
    @anweshabiswas1483 4 дні тому +5

    I think she was the mom of Catherine of Valois 😊
    Please next do Isabelle nevile duchess of Clarence. She was really getting forgotten

    • @jamellfoster6029
      @jamellfoster6029 4 дні тому +2

      She was and thus ancestress to all English & British monarchs from the Tudors to the present day.

    • @lilacgirl-z8w
      @lilacgirl-z8w 3 дні тому +2

      Info on both neville sisters are sadly mostly gone.

    • @anweshabiswas1483
      @anweshabiswas1483 3 дні тому

      @@lilacgirl-z8w Yeah 😢

    • @Ravenproctor2966
      @Ravenproctor2966 7 годин тому +1

      What happened to their children was also tragic.

    • @anweshabiswas1483
      @anweshabiswas1483 3 години тому

      @@Ravenproctor2966 Edward of Warwick was executed in 1499 by Henry vii and Margaret pole in 1541 by Henry viii.

  • @MichelleBruce-lo4oc
    @MichelleBruce-lo4oc 4 дні тому +3

    Hi, awesome live history video I enjoyed it. How are you and Mallard your cat doing? I'm doing well and so is my cat Benjamin. We finally have autumn 🍂 weather in Ontario Canada. How is the weather where you are? All your history videos are always enjoyable. Have a great day see you next video 😊 in the next video in the future could you do Madame Du Barry.

  • @lfgifu296
    @lfgifu296 4 дні тому +4

    Today I have two related questions (recycling again bc I have a lot to think of rn😭): do you think Henry changed and became more tyrannical over the course of his reign? If so, around when do you think it happened and what were the instigators?
    Personally, I do think a change happened, but not in 1536, given he engaged in tyrannical behaviour such as the execution of Fisher, More (the near execution of Wolsey), and mistreatment of his wife and daughter, Katherine and Mary. I link it to his getting rid of Katherine of Aragon and other advisors who had been with him since the beginning of his reign, as well as letting certain persons (I think you know who I mean😭) into his life. I think one person especially exercised a malicious influence over him, as well as the faction that came with them. But as I told History Calling, this is only my theory, and I’m curious to hear yours👀👀

    • @jamellfoster6029
      @jamellfoster6029 4 дні тому +2

      How ironic?? You ask this while watching a video of his great great grandmother.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  4 дні тому +3

      I don't think you have asked me this question anyway, so don't worry, although it's also possible I've forgotten my answer. 😂 And I'm always impressed you come up with such awesome questions each video, I don't mind if they're recycled at all!
      So, I do think a change happened _to make Henry worse_ but I don't think there was a point he didn't have it in him to be tyrannical. Basically, if we look at his behaviour when he was younger, he learned very quickly how to charm people, how to get them to agree to his point of view, all traits that would be made far worse once he was in a position as king where no one wanted to argue with him. He was doggedly religious from a young age as well, something his bonded over with his grandmother Margaret Beaufort, and again, would have stubborn arguments with whoever would listen about the implications of what he read.
      Henry's personality didn't change at all, but I do think when he hurt his head during the jousting accident that likely triggered the much more extreme parts of his personality. We have modern cases where people have been in accidents with severe head injuries, and their personalities also either switch, or become more irritable and intolerant. When we couple this with what was likely a superiority complex, his constant pain from a bad leg, and the fact no one argued with him unless they wanted to risk the consequences, it allowed his existing personality to develop further into a full-on tyrant.
      That's just my opinion, of course! But what's known of him as a younger man does fit with his later personality - I think it's just that when he was younger he got away with it more by being charming and good-looking. 😂

    • @lilacgirl-z8w
      @lilacgirl-z8w 3 дні тому

      Was Bavaria ever a sovereign nation?

  • @King_Steffon_II
    @King_Steffon_II 4 дні тому +4

    Oh, you must be talking about Good Queen Isabeau ❤️

    • @lilacgirl-z8w
      @lilacgirl-z8w 3 дні тому

      Are there any surviving portraits of isabeau?

    • @leeannproctor47
      @leeannproctor47 3 дні тому

      The burgundians were troublemakers.

  • @altinaykor364
    @altinaykor364 4 дні тому +5

    Kinda gives me chills that she lived during Jeanne d'Arc's life time and also Catherine Of Valois

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  4 дні тому +3

      I love when you get the crossover between figures like that, it just weaves so many different threads into context. 😊

    • @Ravenproctor2966
      @Ravenproctor2966 3 дні тому +1

      ​@@HistorysForgottenPeople will you do Joan of arc?

    • @leeannproctor47
      @leeannproctor47 3 дні тому +1

      I want to know who was the duchess of burgundy who bears responsibility of Joan of arc's death.

    • @LadyCat183
      @LadyCat183 2 дні тому

      I believe it was the Duke and of course, the English

    • @ulrikjensen6841
      @ulrikjensen6841 2 дні тому +1

      Le dauphin could have rescued her from the English after she had helped him winning France back; but he DID NOT MOVE A FINGER!!!

  • @leeannproctor47
    @leeannproctor47 3 дні тому

    Is the wasting illness is what cancer used to be called?

  • @saucywench5152
    @saucywench5152 2 дні тому

    For the algorithm

  • @azerethamaral6513
    @azerethamaral6513 День тому

    For another Queen of France story, can you do one about Anna Yaroslavna Queen of France

  • @michellekeith5602
    @michellekeith5602 2 дні тому

    I feel like in her time ...and much before ...and after....Royalty was synonymous with Flakey. A quite conspicuous example would be Henry VIII id have been terrified to be anywhere near his court. But i guess the goal was to stay alive and have and see an heir sit on the throne 🙄😳

    • @Ravenproctor2966
      @Ravenproctor2966 8 годин тому

      Unfortunately heirs were considered boys while girls were expected to be only worth as a baby maker.

  • @monikascholz3158
    @monikascholz3158 20 годин тому

    I originally come from Bavaria and Ysabeau has always fascinated me due to her education, as in that time many women, even if they were of noble origin, had no access to it. I read everything I can find her, she is a fascinating person for me and in Bavaria people are proud she was a French Queen💞🇨🇵🍀

    • @leeannproctor47
      @leeannproctor47 7 годин тому +1

      I hope Bavaria got advantages from isabeau.

    • @monikascholz3158
      @monikascholz3158 2 години тому

      @@leeannproctor47 well, she left to France for her marriage at a very young age, so she did not really have any influence in Bavaria being a child, but politically she made her father more important through being the Queen of France

  • @English_Dawn
    @English_Dawn 3 дні тому

    Marvelous female headdresses during this period.
    If you typically think of a princess most people think of a hennin.
    However Isabeau sports a bourrelet which runs it close, very close.

  • @cathy3613
    @cathy3613 4 дні тому

    I find it hard at that time the woman especially the upper class would wear nail polish

  • @Kingpowch
    @Kingpowch 2 дні тому

    I think the only contemporary portrait of her is the image where she is receiving the book from Christine de Pizan. She is seen a blonde and white. But it also true that it was said she was a brunette much like her mom. I wonder what she looked like.

    • @Ravenproctor2966
      @Ravenproctor2966 7 годин тому

      An actual portrait of her would be an extraordinary finding.

    • @lilacgirl-z8w
      @lilacgirl-z8w 7 годин тому

      As well as that of her husband.

  • @lilacgirl-z8w
    @lilacgirl-z8w 3 дні тому

    Is isabeau family home still standing?