My local dealership here had a $12K markup on top of overpriced accessories. They had all weather mats for $2,800 alone! At the end it was around $61K. For that money I'd rather get a Supra if you could get it at MSRP which I'm sure is impossible for most.
@@volcalstoneLongo Toyota in El Monte,California is an MSRP only dealership(says so on their website). You just have to wait a few months for your order is all from what I understand…
Just give it more time for the hype to die down. I bought my 2019 FK8 for MSRP when they had 2 Black ones sitting on the showroom floor. If not selling for reasonable price in my area,I’m not opposed to the idea of flying out of state and driving/shipping it home. Airline ticket is a lot cheaper than dealer markups!😁👍
Dealer markups are a battle for many popular cars. The manufacturs need a more clean buy direct option to avoid the dealers abusing people who have interest in any car
@@davetc02 they need to let us do a direct sale with the intentions to purchase the vehicle. A constant stream of money is better than having overpriced cars sitting on their lots waiting for a desperate buyer to come by.
Paid 46,150 4days ago, been looking for a month… I said I wasn’t gonna do it if it wasn’t msrp but you only live once. It wasn’t easy but after three days of refusing to pay original cost and no one else buying it either I got it. Reach out to every single dealership you can
Most headlights, since they've switched to Leds, are excellent today. This Civic has a nice bright and wide beam pattern. But some cars still have a rather poor beam pattern and that's why i wish car reviewers would include at least a nightime picture of how the headlights perform.
Love night time POV videos and the civic type R is so nice. Hoping I might be able to snag one closer to MSRP or maybe wait a little bit until there's more in the used market. That streaky windshield trigger my OCD though 😭
Can you tell Mr Ikeda to come out with a baby nsx? Like one that he designed himself. In a backroom. Manufactured from scrap metal, and hand crafted. Thanks!
I would be looked at sideways climbing out of the R. Especially in my 55+ neighborhood. They are already suspicious from the Civic ST I came home with last year. The type S might slip under their radar.
Don’t let that deter you. If you want a Type R,get one! I owned 2 FK8 Type Rs and I’m 57. I like the styling of the FL5 and the Type S but I think for myself I’d lean more towards the Type R…very clean lines as opposed to the Type S that has some of that FK8 tacked on rear fender well action. Just my 2 cents but get what makes you happy…life’s way too short!😁👍
I wouldn't let it bother you man. I am old af now and I just want to enjoy my life and drive something fun. I live in a gated community and everyone knows everyone but as long as your exhaust isn't too obnoxious most of your neighbors aren't going to care. Heck my 65+ neighbor drives around in a c6 z06 all the time and they're living their best life. The thing has a heavy clutch but it's worth the experience.
Yeah, markups are crazy here in Canada too. We’re already upto $65,000 in some places and still asking almost $50,000 for the FK8 - either way @honda you need to do something about this 😩
Just picked up a Championship White Type R a little over a week ago. I was never really tempted away by the Acura (or GR) because of the cheap tacked on body cladding over the rear wheels/fenders. Absolutely ruins both cars aesthetics IMO. Out of all 3 choices the Type R is simply more imposing looking (especially in person) and the rear fenders are real not plastic after thoughts. Either way it drives like a dream and has grip for days. Great little zippy car that puts a smile on my face everytime I drive it.
I haven't seen a Type R in northern Pinellas area yet. I got my SI a year ago at MSRP when they were taking it off the truck before anyone knew it was there.
The markups on these are honestly crazy I live in Florida as well and I went to Brahman Honda they said it will be estimated 60,000 which is crazy for a civic.
Liked on vid for Kirk... not sure I could care any less about the Honda Civic Type R these days. Especially at that MSRP, where I live when they're available they want $52k and that point I'll just get a Supra or a GR. Rather have a GR, don't even care about the difference in interior when it comes to the performance. Also not sure long term I'd be fan of the EarthDreams Turbo, very disappointed in this gen Si. Think Honda has lost me. I have had three Civics, four in the family and I'll just go back to Toyota.
If you’re really in the market for a car just go in and offer msrp and say you’ll buy it today. They’ll take it. That’s what I did. They do waste 3 hours of your time, but it’ll happen.
I love the Type-R and Acura Integra type-S. However, Honda marks them up buy $7,000 each over MSRP! Yeah, I don't play that game. Honda can keep both of their products for that mark-up! They play so many consumers as FOOLS. Such a shame that people cave into their childish desires. I treat Honda/Acura like I treat Toyota, if they can't respect me, they get no respect from me either!!
In reality, this fwd Type R drives and handles better than 99% of AWD cars out there, as reviewed by Savagegeese, Everyday Drivers, and a million other reputable auto journalists.
How does this compare to the 2 liter Supra ? I don't mean interior space, but performance wise, in particular the engine, Not handling. How fast is this to 60mph and quarter mile compared to the 2 liter Supra. Interestingly the Supra is about the same weight 3181 lbs. vs the CTR 3188 lbs, but seems it doesn't come with a Manual transmission.
@@KirkKreifelson your video about the transmission shifter, i sat in a 2020 CTR and a 2023 Integra typeS, i can easily put the gear lever through 1.2,3,4,6 but i struggle to get it right into 5 (with clutch fully to the floor of course). I push the lever all the way right then up but it wouldn’t go in.
Gosh It’s a tough decision between the type s and type r if I had to pick one it would be the type s it’s just different and just a touch more of useful features looks wise I think they neck and neck and I believe the type s will become more rare in the future
owned two of these champ white 2018-2020, i am done with FWD. Id take a tesla AWD and model y performance. When i owned this car it had no torque and was a pain to not speed in and out of traffic. Lesson learned you will get speeding tickets . id rather chill and destroy pretty much everything off the line at a stop light with a tesla and instant 500+ torque. auto pilot is a must , will miss my 6 speed,
I've had a 2018 fiesta st and a 2018 wrx. AWD understeers even worse than FWD. Since I live in Texas I don't need AWD. If someone doesnt need better traction during winter I wouldnt ever care to recommend AWD for fun driving experience. Just a comment.
I agree to a point. Type Rs are definitely slow off the line which is pretty frustrating when it’s a performance car. I understand that it’s more for tracking/canyon carving but I personally can’t sign off on a non-manual that is very fast yes…but doesn’t have a V-8 rumble that I grew up on. I will eventually buy an electric car when I have to buy but there are still so many fun options to drive out there. I would still need to row my own gears for that experience alone…
I’ll be honest, my heart goes for the previous generation but the current generation could probably age better. I too think it doesn’t look busy enough, but imo it’s probably for the best…
On track the FL5 and Type S had the exact same time. You can soften the ride of the FL5 by swapping in the Type S suspension actuators. I’d never pay over MSRP. They’re not worth the price. They’re reliable cars but after modding them(which you will) there are better choices out there. Oh…and they’re definitely slow off the line!
@@thosetwodudes Mazda Miata. Handling Heaven. What a true sports car was always meant to be. The Miata has a "brilliant" design. No Civic design has ever earned that level of acclamation.
Honda did an amazing job with this Type R aside from its dealer markups.
My local dealership here had a $12K markup on top of overpriced accessories. They had all weather mats for $2,800 alone! At the end it was around $61K. For that money I'd rather get a Supra if you could get it at MSRP which I'm sure is impossible for most.
@@volcalstoneLongo Toyota in El Monte,California is an MSRP only dealership(says so on their website). You just have to wait a few months for your order is all from what I understand…
Just give it more time for the hype to die down. I bought my 2019 FK8 for MSRP when they had 2 Black ones sitting on the showroom floor. If not selling for reasonable price in my area,I’m not opposed to the idea of flying out of state and driving/shipping it home. Airline ticket is a lot cheaper than dealer markups!😁👍
Dealer markups are a battle for many popular cars. The manufacturs need a more clean buy direct option to avoid the dealers abusing people who have interest in any car
@@davetc02 they need to let us do a direct sale with the intentions to purchase the vehicle. A constant stream of money is better than having overpriced cars sitting on their lots waiting for a desperate buyer to come by.
Paid 46,150 4days ago, been looking for a month… I said I wasn’t gonna do it if it wasn’t msrp but you only live once. It wasn’t easy but after three days of refusing to pay original cost and no one else buying it either I got it. Reach out to every single dealership you can
The night drive is a nice differentiator. Thanks for this perspective. Now I really want one!
I just got mine in Sonic Grey literally two days ago and i am just completely in love with it.
Most headlights, since they've switched to Leds, are excellent today. This Civic has a nice bright and wide beam pattern.
But some cars still have a rather poor beam pattern and that's why i wish car reviewers would include at least a nightime picture of how the headlights perform.
Just snagged one at msrp, I take delivery tommorow. Beyond excited!
Wild the highest performing honda or acura is a civic. I can appreciate your enthusiasm lol
I cannot wait for the market to settle and the dumb markups to die down, I am picking up one of these FL5 Type Rs in the future for sure.
Never will
in the next lifetime, possibly
Love night time POV videos and the civic type R is so nice. Hoping I might be able to snag one closer to MSRP or maybe wait a little bit until there's more in the used market. That streaky windshield trigger my OCD though 😭
Can you tell Mr Ikeda to come out with a baby nsx? Like one that he designed himself. In a backroom. Manufactured from scrap metal, and hand crafted. Thanks!
Type r is a collector and will be worth more than the type s. For me i like the styling more of the S.
I would be looked at sideways climbing out of the R. Especially in my 55+ neighborhood. They are already suspicious from the Civic ST I came home with last year. The type S might slip under their radar.
Don’t let that deter you. If you want a Type R,get one! I owned 2 FK8 Type Rs and I’m 57. I like the styling of the FL5 and the Type S but I think for myself I’d lean more towards the Type R…very clean lines as opposed to the Type S that has some of that FK8 tacked on rear fender well action. Just my 2 cents but get what makes you happy…life’s way too short!😁👍
I wouldn't let it bother you man. I am old af now and I just want to enjoy my life and drive something fun. I live in a gated community and everyone knows everyone but as long as your exhaust isn't too obnoxious most of your neighbors aren't going to care. Heck my 65+ neighbor drives around in a c6 z06 all the time and they're living their best life. The thing has a heavy clutch but it's worth the experience.
Get the type s😍
Good Review Dude🎉.. most reviews suck.. Your cadence is on point... Keep up the awesomeness
Yeah, markups are crazy here in Canada too. We’re already upto $65,000 in some places and still asking almost $50,000 for the FK8 - either way @honda you need to do something about this 😩
Just picked up a Championship White Type R a little over a week ago. I was never really tempted away by the Acura (or GR) because of the cheap tacked on body cladding over the rear wheels/fenders. Absolutely ruins both cars aesthetics IMO. Out of all 3 choices the Type R is simply more imposing looking (especially in person) and the rear fenders are real not plastic after thoughts. Either way it drives like a dream and has grip for days. Great little zippy car that puts a smile on my face everytime I drive it.
I haven't seen a Type R in northern Pinellas area yet. I got my SI a year ago at MSRP when they were taking it off the truck before anyone knew it was there.
Just ordered one in Sydney Australia we have fixed pricing here so no markups possible but also no negotiations.
How long is the wait time?
The markups on these are honestly crazy I live in Florida as well and I went to Brahman Honda they said it will be estimated 60,000 which is crazy for a civic.
It’s not the flywheel, that’s rev hang, it’s a function of the throttle body being partially open on lift off.
I remember that somebody in New Zealand stated that Honda has fixed pricing there…so it is possible for a manufacturer to do so.
its about 78k NZD which is 45,357.00 USD
Bought mine in Auction for 16k only 600 miles in the dash
I'm a 70 year old man and this is the 2024 version of a 1300cc 1964 Alfa Romeo Giulia sedan.
The only bad thing is how much dealers want for it with heavy markups. Yeeuch at the end of the day it’s still a Honda civic.
Liked on vid for Kirk... not sure I could care any less about the Honda Civic Type R these days. Especially at that MSRP, where I live when they're available they want $52k and that point I'll just get a Supra or a GR. Rather have a GR, don't even care about the difference in interior when it comes to the performance. Also not sure long term I'd be fan of the EarthDreams Turbo, very disappointed in this gen Si. Think Honda has lost me. I have had three Civics, four in the family and I'll just go back to Toyota.
Anyone know if the Integra Type S has accent lighting at night like the FL5? Damn, ive always wanted a CTR but the ITS is tempting
The markups on these have to end. I still want one.
Get a different car lol
@@pwj86772 recommendations?
If you’re really in the market for a car just go in and offer msrp and say you’ll buy it today. They’ll take it. That’s what I did. They do waste 3 hours of your time, but it’ll happen.
I love the Type-R and Acura Integra type-S. However, Honda marks them up buy $7,000 each over MSRP! Yeah, I don't play that game. Honda can keep both of their products for that mark-up! They play so many consumers as FOOLS. Such a shame that people cave into their childish desires. I treat Honda/Acura like I treat Toyota, if they can't respect me, they get no respect from me either!!
Got mine in rally red. Thinkink about having the rear wing painted to match
Msrp won't happen in Cali. Send us a link for msrp.
Civics are great. Now, it seems we are going to get a hybrid on some version, can we hope for 4wd?
In reality, this fwd Type R drives and handles better than 99% of AWD cars out there, as reviewed by Savagegeese, Everyday Drivers, and a million other reputable auto journalists.
@@Asiansxsymboli dont know about 99% Lol
4wd would kill this car. The weight alone wouldn’t be worth it, then they’ll have to up the cost too.
@@Asiansxsymbol even in snow?
Clean
As a dad with a family of five the rear seats not having that third seat in the back is heartbreaking.
You can swap it with the other civic!
😍😍😍🔥🔥🔥
Japanese engineering at its best!
Are those red accent lights under the footwells?
Just red carpet I believe
Yeah there are some under the driver and passenger side and on the driver and passenger door panels (reference just got outa mine 😊)
Yep there sure are!
How does this compare to the 2 liter Supra ? I don't mean interior space, but performance wise, in particular the engine, Not handling. How fast is this to 60mph and quarter mile compared to the 2 liter Supra. Interestingly the Supra is about the same weight 3181 lbs. vs the CTR 3188 lbs, but seems it doesn't come with a Manual transmission.
For the street the 2.0 supra is faster in a straight line. Easier to launch. Faster shifts. Around a track it would be an interesting fight.
@@KirkKreifelson your video about the transmission shifter, i sat in a 2020 CTR and a 2023 Integra typeS, i can easily put the gear lever through 1.2,3,4,6 but i struggle to get it right into 5 (with clutch fully to the floor of course). I push the lever all the way right then up but it wouldn’t go in.
@@bennyang8049I feel like it’s more like diagonal right, coming from 4th. The gates will get you to the right place to slot in
Cool
Cool
Gosh It’s a tough decision between the type s and type r if I had to pick one it would be the type s it’s just different and just a touch more of useful features looks wise I think they neck and neck and I believe the type s will become more rare in the future
To bad they dont make WRX STI any more.
At 45k I prefer the type R, at 50k+ (type R’s are selling over 50K)I prefer the Type S
Down here at Puerto Rico they are going for 65k.
I think this gen looks better
I vote for the Honda Civic Type R over the Type S.
Daily driver for me
Can I have it?
Overpriced the target market... Imma head out.
Yes, we need the middle seat! Wth, Honda?!
The exhaust is horrible in this. The Hyundai N models sound so much better
Are these still 20K over MSRP?
10K-20K over MSRP depending on the region.
Low key, Kirk turned into a street racer lol
Car 👍, price 👎
If you say a civic si gives you 90% of the typr r experience at 60% of the price, you are either a liar, or you've never driven a car in your life.
I don’t get who can affford these
owned two of these champ white 2018-2020, i am done with FWD. Id take a tesla AWD and model y performance. When i owned this car it had no torque and was a pain to not speed in and out of traffic. Lesson learned you will get speeding tickets . id rather chill and destroy pretty much everything off the line at a stop light with a tesla and instant 500+ torque. auto pilot is a must , will miss my 6 speed,
I've had a 2018 fiesta st and a 2018 wrx. AWD understeers even worse than FWD. Since I live in Texas I don't need AWD. If someone doesnt need better traction during winter I wouldnt ever care to recommend AWD for fun driving experience. Just a comment.
I agree to a point. Type Rs are definitely slow off the line which is pretty frustrating when it’s a performance car. I understand that it’s more for tracking/canyon carving but I personally can’t sign off on a non-manual that is very fast yes…but doesn’t have a V-8 rumble that I grew up on. I will eventually buy an electric car when I have to buy but there are still so many fun options to drive out there. I would still need to row my own gears for that experience alone…
Dirty windshield 🙄🙄🙄.
No cred.
honda atleast got to switch out the old old badge with red pattern... so dated!
Thats what makes it great
This generation of Civic still looks boring to me. And that rear wing gives it that "wannabe" sports car look. Pass.
I’ll be honest, my heart goes for the previous generation but the current generation could probably age better. I too think it doesn’t look busy enough, but imo it’s probably for the best…
@@faheemabbas3965 lf we replace our Hondas with a different brand, then it's probably not for the best...at least not for Honda! 🤭
On track the FL5 and Type S had the exact same time. You can soften the ride of the FL5 by swapping in the Type S suspension actuators. I’d never pay over MSRP. They’re not worth the price. They’re reliable cars but after modding them(which you will) there are better choices out there. Oh…and they’re definitely slow off the line!
@justwingingit1 what are the better choices? And it doesn't count unless it's a 6MT
@@thosetwodudes Mazda Miata. Handling Heaven. What a true sports car was always meant to be. The Miata has a "brilliant" design. No Civic design has ever earned that level of acclamation.
Sexy Car!