Thanks ARod for the great install video! To address questions about performance gains, it's completely understandable why someone would think that adding a DPF-back exhaust couldn't possibly improve performance. But it can and here's why. Your turbo's compressor and turbine wheels are connected via a common shaft. The less work the turbine has to do to expel exhaust gas, the easier it is on the compressor, which means it can create more boost while using less energy to do it. Here's a good way to visualize what's happening. Put a drinking straw in your mouth and plug your noes. It's difficult to breathe through the straw, but it is possible. Now add a few lengths of straw and try to breathe. Your lungs are not strong enough to overcome the backpressure. Now imagine increasing the diameter of those drinking straws to an inch. Now you can breathe with almost no effort. Increasing the diameter of the exhaust appears to the engine as shorter length of tubing. Remember, the engine only makes power on one stroke; the power stroke. The other three strokes consume power. If you can reduce the energy consumed by the crankshaft to expel exhaust gas during the exhaust stroke, you've liberated otherwise lost horsepower.
Nice sales gimmick, but this is not dual exhaust system, you are still running thru same restrictive straw (DPF) you just enlarged it one end. If you want power get rid of DPF first. This exhaust is purely for change of sound and looks not performance.
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod I agree, tin foils are nice and shiny; makes them feel immune to laws physics and think of governing racing bodies that mandate restrictors on race cars as bunch of clowns. Whether restrictor is upstream or downstream is still a restrictor; laws of physics can't be ignored.
@@litoaykiuI'm sorry that your missing the whole point!..this product & others in the Banks Power line up are designed to enhance your OEM vehicle & still meet emissions regulations!!...Gale Banks knows how to improve performance he's been in business & racing since the 1950's
The Banks exhaust lowers the back pressure which allows the gases to be expelled more easily and thus the engine run more efficiently...since the piping is bigger the sound has a lower deeper tone...also the piping cools down faster which allows the turbo cool off faster too ...before the Banks exhaust my regen's had soot levels between 92% to 100% with no passive regens... after Monster exhaust installed regen's now have soot levels @ 50% to 70% with many passive regens...performance can be measured in many ways not just by laying down rubber.
@@Just_Fishing_TailsTM You can laugh all you want...I monitor my turbo temps & after Banks exhaust install it take less time for the turbo temps to come down vs the stock exhaust...have a good one👌..,later👍💪💯
@@zekester1 What is the exact PID you are monitoring?? Cause the DPF section is WAY too far from the turbo turbine section to make any significant effect on the turbo cooling down "faster".
I prefer the dual tip setup from factory. Looks better in my opinion, I understand the reasoning behind why it's done, however I would keep the factory exhaust tips if that is possible
I do too and have been on the fence loving the nice dual chrome tips but they degrade very fast. It's getting harder and harder to bring them back anywhere close to factory. Plus it's a thousand degrees and burnt my 3 yr old daughter's hand after I parked and had the truck shut off for several minutes. I couldn't believe how hot the stock def-back gets! This will be nicer and better for the health of the truck over time.
Had this on my 2022... Not impressed, no noticeable change in any performance or sound... I Actually put my OEM from the DPF axle back pipe back on the truck after having it painted in Ceramic High temp Black... I get more compliments on the OEM in black than the banks pipe...
@@6582rg It took a rock chip hard on a gravel road and its like a scratch. No chipping. I did prep the pipe hardcore including , cleaning and scuffing and then high heat ceramic primer and to finish it off i used a high heat ceramic clear coat. Looks nice and if it ever needs to be touched up i will just dab on some black but so far its all good including the underside.
It's completely understandable why someone would think that adding a DPF-back exhaust couldn't possibly improve performance. But it can and here's why. Your turbo's compressor and turbine wheels are connected via a common shaft. The less work the turbine has to do to expel exhaust gas, the easier it is on the compressor, which means it can create more boost while using less energy to do it. Here's a good way to visualize what's happening. Put a drinking straw in your mouth and plug your noes. It's difficult to breathe through the straw, but it is possible. Now add a few lengths of straw and try to breathe. Your lungs are not strong enough to overcome the backpressure. Now imagine increasing the diameter of those drinking straws to an inch. Now you can breathe with almost no effort. Increasing the diameter of the exhaust appears to the engine as shorter length of tubing. Remember, the engine only makes power on one stroke; the power stroke. The other three strokes consume power. If you can reduce the energy consumed by the crankshaft to expel exhaust gas during the exhaust stroke, you've liberated otherwise lost horsepower.
Completely understand the airflow and pressure comparison...however, that DPF and its internals not helping that flow prior to reaching the DPF back kit. Not an engineer, just a realist..tks for the vid arod
19:30 That sensor nut is suppose to spin and not the whole sensor, if you tap that nut with a hammer you can break them free sometimes and then your not twisting the wiring harness for that sensor
Is there any adjustments in the rear section of the pipe to bring the tip closer to the body line? My biggest gripe with most aftermarket exhausts for these trucks is either the tip hangs to low or too far out or both.
Thanks I'm getting sick of the double tips! Wonder if the DPF heat will destroy that nice black finish. Say what was the final adjustment when the tip was hanging low. That was a flash forward? Just a loosen and re lift the back pipe ?
Great video! Thanks for sharing! I'm about to purchase a 24 F-250 Tremor on 37's with 22x10 rims and a 2.5 Leveling Kit. Will this Banks exhaust system fit my application without hitting the rear leaf springs or any other underside components?
Great install video by the way! Mine went together pretty simple, but the last slip joint at the end (not the tip) I can’t seem to get to stop moving, I have the band pretty damm tight! How tight can you hammer down on these clamps?
I have a 2022 F250 KR with the 6.7 with 8.000 miles, What if anything will this exhaust system do to my warranty ? Or is this stuff at dealer discretion as long as you not eliminating anything? Thanks A rod. Keep up the good work!
yes restriction is still there, but you are getting rid of the restriction that's after the DPF assembly. it all adds up, plus there is proven gains just from this small mod, not major power or anything but efficiency.
I work on diesels it is not the dpf that kills them it's the EGR-> recirculation and causing extreme soot build up, we have over 200 trucks we rebuild them around 20k hours or about 500k miles intakes are caked with soot. DPF filter can cause issues if not maintained properly or if you start increasing power without proper exhuast F/R I will say Semi dpfs systems have a ton of elertical issues that's the major downside. But I have never ran into a properly maintained dpf destroying a Engine.
Just watched this looking for advice for my 13 6.7. Banks doesn’t appear to have a 5” that I’m looking for that runs straight from the down pipes. Any suggestions where to look?
Yes, there's a guy on YY that did it. Had a shop weld in a section for like $40 if I recall. Wasted $ because he had no sound difference basically inside or out.
On the banks web site, they say this will not fit with a gooseneck hitch. I have the factory 5th wheel prep kit. I only tow with my fith wheel, will this fit 2020 f350?
It didn't take no sensor out. You can thank your environment for that. You know damn well that pipe ain't had nuthin to do with it "taking" out that PM sensor...
Really any performance gains…?? Not being a nay sayer. Doesn’t everything that effects performance happen from the down pipe and DPF? Not behind the DPF? Seems to be more aesthetics
Thanks ARod for the great install video! To address questions about performance gains, it's completely understandable why someone would think that adding a DPF-back exhaust couldn't possibly improve performance. But it can and here's why. Your turbo's compressor and turbine wheels are connected via a common shaft. The less work the turbine has to do to expel exhaust gas, the easier it is on the compressor, which means it can create more boost while using less energy to do it. Here's a good way to visualize what's happening. Put a drinking straw in your mouth and plug your noes. It's difficult to breathe through the straw, but it is possible. Now add a few lengths of straw and try to breathe. Your lungs are not strong enough to overcome the backpressure. Now imagine increasing the diameter of those drinking straws to an inch. Now you can breathe with almost no effort. Increasing the diameter of the exhaust appears to the engine as shorter length of tubing. Remember, the engine only makes power on one stroke; the power stroke. The other three strokes consume power. If you can reduce the energy consumed by the crankshaft to expel exhaust gas during the exhaust stroke, you've liberated otherwise lost horsepower.
Nice sales gimmick, but this is not dual exhaust system, you are still running thru same restrictive straw (DPF) you just enlarged it one end. If you want power get rid of DPF first. This exhaust is purely for change of sound and looks not performance.
Sounds like you need to come out from under your tin foil hat there qwerty warrior
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod I agree, tin foils are nice and shiny; makes them feel immune to laws physics and think of governing racing bodies that mandate restrictors on race cars as bunch of clowns.
Whether restrictor is upstream or downstream is still a restrictor; laws of physics can't be ignored.
Have a good day
@@litoaykiuI'm sorry that your missing the whole point!..this product & others in the Banks Power line up are designed to enhance your OEM vehicle & still meet emissions regulations!!...Gale Banks knows how to improve performance he's been in business & racing since the 1950's
The Banks exhaust lowers the back pressure which allows the gases to be expelled more easily and thus the engine run more efficiently...since the piping is bigger the sound has a lower deeper tone...also the piping cools down faster which allows the turbo cool off faster too ...before the Banks exhaust my regen's had soot levels between 92% to 100% with no passive regens... after Monster exhaust installed regen's now have soot levels @ 50% to 70% with many passive regens...performance can be measured in many ways not just by laying down rubber.
There's literally no sound difference between a stock exhaust and a DPF back kit.
@@kernmw10 Hey, the sound is generally the same but the tone on mine is a little lower/deeper
"also the piping cools down faster which allows the turbo cool off faster too " LMAO.....okay.
@@Just_Fishing_TailsTM You can laugh all you want...I monitor my turbo temps & after Banks exhaust install it take less time for the turbo temps to come down vs the stock exhaust...have a good one👌..,later👍💪💯
@@zekester1 What is the exact PID you are monitoring?? Cause the DPF section is WAY too far from the turbo turbine section to make any significant effect on the turbo cooling down "faster".
I did the install and left the hangers on the truck and just pried the old exhaust off came off with no problem. Banks products are the best ..
I prefer the dual tip setup from factory. Looks better in my opinion, I understand the reasoning behind why it's done, however I would keep the factory exhaust tips if that is possible
I do too and have been on the fence loving the nice dual chrome tips but they degrade very fast. It's getting harder and harder to bring them back anywhere close to factory. Plus it's a thousand degrees and burnt my 3 yr old daughter's hand after I parked and had the truck shut off for several minutes. I couldn't believe how hot the stock def-back gets! This will be nicer and better for the health of the truck over time.
I went with the 5 inch from the down pipe option
👍💥💨💯🛠️
Sounds so nice that way!
Do you have a video of the sound difference?
I have the same cat back. It makes manual regen so much faster. And it looks so much better than the stock pipe.
Ok. I have to ask. Why did we change this out? For looks, sound, MPG, hp, broken?
Had this on my 2022... Not impressed, no noticeable change in any performance or sound... I Actually put my OEM from the DPF axle back pipe back on the truck after having it painted in Ceramic High temp Black... I get more compliments on the OEM in black than the banks pipe...
How's the Ceramic Black holding up on your rig?
@@6582rg It took a rock chip hard on a gravel road and its like a scratch. No chipping. I did prep the pipe hardcore including , cleaning and scuffing and then high heat ceramic primer and to finish it off i used a high heat ceramic clear coat. Looks nice and if it ever needs to be touched up i will just dab on some black but so far its all good including the underside.
Wanna sell your old pipe?
@@joehall2633 sold it 5 months ago
That's what matters, compliments
If there's no performance enhancement it seems like such a waste of money.
It's completely understandable why someone would think that adding a DPF-back exhaust couldn't possibly improve performance. But it can and here's why. Your turbo's compressor and turbine wheels are connected via a common shaft. The less work the turbine has to do to expel exhaust gas, the easier it is on the compressor, which means it can create more boost while using less energy to do it. Here's a good way to visualize what's happening. Put a drinking straw in your mouth and plug your noes. It's difficult to breathe through the straw, but it is possible. Now add a few lengths of straw and try to breathe. Your lungs are not strong enough to overcome the backpressure. Now imagine increasing the diameter of those drinking straws to an inch. Now you can breathe with almost no effort. Increasing the diameter of the exhaust appears to the engine as shorter length of tubing. Remember, the engine only makes power on one stroke; the power stroke. The other three strokes consume power. If you can reduce the energy consumed by the crankshaft to expel exhaust gas during the exhaust stroke, you've liberated otherwise lost horsepower.
Completely understand the airflow and pressure comparison...however, that DPF and its internals not helping that flow prior to reaching the DPF back kit. Not an engineer, just a realist..tks for the vid arod
Certainly helps if there’s an empty pipe inside your govt space shuttle
Banks did the testing with the DPF and achieved there readings. I didnt think it was possible either
@@bankspower Thanks for the response Banks! Really appreciate that. It makes sense.
19:30 That sensor nut is suppose to spin and not the whole sensor, if you tap that nut with a hammer you can break them free sometimes and then your not twisting the wiring harness for that sensor
Yea I know, it's michigan shit juss winds up siezin up anyways
Is there any adjustments in the rear section of the pipe to bring the tip closer to the body line? My biggest gripe with most aftermarket exhausts for these trucks is either the tip hangs to low or too far out or both.
Yes absolutely
Thanks I'm getting sick of the double tips! Wonder if the DPF heat will destroy that nice black finish. Say what was the final adjustment when the tip was hanging low. That was a flash forward? Just a loosen and re lift the back pipe ?
Any info on the Banks Derringer that has been listed as “coming soon” on their site for the last 3 years for the ‘20 and up 6.7’s???
On it
I know right been waiting for it but no update on it
just received an update today from banks saying soon,that it is going thru the last stages
Here in Canada we take it all off.
Here in the USA those of us that aren't pussies do that too :)
Those sensors are almost impossible to get out if you’re from the north. Luckily I only needed the one to monitor egts on my monitor.
Thinking about pulling the trigger on this! Great Video appreciate being able to hear what it would sound like.
Pair that with a straight pipe and reputable tunes and, ooohweee! 🥴
Great video! Thanks for sharing! I'm about to purchase a 24 F-250 Tremor on 37's with 22x10 rims and a 2.5 Leveling Kit. Will this Banks exhaust system fit my application without hitting the rear leaf springs or any other underside components?
Haven't had to adjust diddly squat
Great install video by the way! Mine went together pretty simple, but the last slip joint at the end (not the tip) I can’t seem to get to stop moving, I have the band pretty damm tight! How tight can you hammer down on these clamps?
Juss did one today, i had to use a ⅜ drive ratchet & a deep 16mm & finished it by hand. I went tight, bruh tight!
I have a 2022 F250 KR with the 6.7 with 8.000 miles, What if anything will this exhaust system do to my warranty ? Or is this stuff at dealer discretion as long as you not eliminating anything? Thanks A rod. Keep up the good work!
It will not void warranty. There is a sticker under the hood (from ford) that even says that. They have to prove the part caused a malfunction
If you remount those hanger brackets before you set the pipes in it's a lot easier with nothing hanging from it
Looks Sharp and clean.
Not sure if I missed it, does the 5'' clear the factory fifth wheel hitch?
Si
Is there any point if the DPF is still in place.
So rhe fins the factory has on the tips is not needed?
I bet that would look amazing on a 23 tremor
Won't fit . It hits the factory spare 😮. I had one on my 22 . I just took the tire off and put it in the bed !
Yes it will. Maybe you missed that part of the directions
Aaron, I have the Carli spare tire carrier and a 37-inch spare. Do you think there is still enough space for the monster exhaust?
I have done a few tremors and did not have to move the spare tire like the distructuons say, fit juss fine.
What happened to the cool cuff design? Was that all a bunch of hot air??
Love mine
22 f350
Banks 5”
When is new cp4 replacement video going to happen.
Thursday
I wish they had it for cab and chassis
Banks on their website says cannot go on a truck with gooseneck hitch, you proved that false……….that was the only thing holding me back! Ordered
that tip shape is so nice compared to what was "cool" several years ago
Dpf back is such a waste of time. All the restriction is in the dpf and scr. Plus killing the motor.
yes restriction is still there, but you are getting rid of the restriction that's after the DPF assembly. it all adds up, plus there is proven gains just from this small mod, not major power or anything but efficiency.
I work on diesels it is not the dpf that kills them it's the EGR-> recirculation and causing extreme soot build up, we have over 200 trucks we rebuild them around 20k hours or about 500k miles intakes are caked with soot. DPF filter can cause issues if not maintained properly or if you start increasing power without proper exhuast F/R
I will say Semi dpfs systems have a ton of elertical issues that's the major downside.
But I have never ran into a properly maintained dpf destroying a Engine.
Need to kill the DPF. I got that system and had zero improvement
What banks exhaust would fit a 21 250 tremor with airlift bags, and 5th wheel hitch ?
This
Good stuff man thank you
Great video
That look very nice
I have this pipe on my 17 kr it sounds good.
Just watched this looking for advice for my 13 6.7. Banks doesn’t appear to have a 5” that I’m looking for that runs straight from the down pipes. Any suggestions where to look?
No
Love my 5”
Boo hoo with the Banks! Sorry brother. I still thumbs up your labor!😅
Did you ever see anybody cut off the Stock resonator?
Yes, there's a guy on YY that did it. Had a shop weld in a section for like $40 if I recall. Wasted $ because he had no sound difference basically inside or out.
@@mikz86ta1 Ok thanks....
I like my stock dual tip. Can it still fit on the banks unit?
Did you notice a power difference?
what brand of flex socket are you using to torque down the nuts?
Those are cornwell med deep wobbles
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod thank you sir.
On the banks web site, they say this will not fit with a gooseneck hitch. I have the factory 5th wheel prep kit. I only tow with my fith wheel, will this fit 2020 f350?
Pretty sure the truck in the video has the factory fifth wheel
Just ordered one for my durtymax. Got to get ride that ugly tailpipe and keep it from blasting hot exhaust (during regen) on my trailer.
Wish it was louder. Same tone as stock pipe 😢😢😢
It is more noticeable with their intake on it.
Banks says I can’t get one because of the gooseneck hitch. Has anyone tried fitting this on a truck with a B&W Turnover Ball?
Nope sure havent
Need to cut the dpf off first. Have a nice day.
Great video! That’s a nice pipe!
BEST!!!!! @bankspower product you can buy NOT just for you Ford!!!!
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WHY NOT A 6.2L gas C O L D- A I R- I N T A K E for the 2017 super duper duty........ WHY
Cuz no 1 likes those turds
Very bad marketing and sales decision @@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod
Not much clearace at the leaf spring...
Tip looks a little too "Fast and Furious, truck edition", if you like Honda styling on your F series go for it.
sounds like my wifes RDX
Nice
What junk my truck is not driven in winter. And the banks monster exhaust rusted out!!! Also it took out a $220.00 sensor
It didn't take no sensor out. You can thank your environment for that. You know damn well that pipe ain't had nuthin to do with it "taking" out that PM sensor...
...$220.00 you should be thanking you ever gave you a deal on it to begin with
Really any performance gains…?? Not being a nay sayer. Doesn’t everything that effects performance happen from the down pipe and DPF?
Not behind the DPF?
Seems to be more aesthetics
Sounds like an air conditioner
These DPF back exhaust are useless and pointless. They do not offer any benefits other than the looks of a larger exhaust tip.
Okay
If it changes O2 output its emmissions tampering
This has nothing to do with any sort of tampering & I can 100% ASSURE you of that.
@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod
see if Ford will install it , all dealerships from the 80s on only replace cat back exhaust with stock
@@artyfuffkin7805 In this video, he literally is working for Ford while putting this on.
Some of these commenters need to take their glasses off
....yea well this isnt the 80s anymore
DPF back??? Don’t waste your money. That will do nothing other than make it look like you have a truck that can exhale.
Looks nice but sounds the same 😢
I don't think it looks or sounds good.