Bolt handle is also a safety. Receiver have smaller hole in front of the handle slot. If you twist it 90° you can't cock the gun and it also lets you know gun is safe since you can't see through sights. That is very clever safety to prevent unwanted discharge if gun falls on the buttstock.
Springfield xd is called HS in croatia( probably a branding thing) . HS used to be IM metal. Alka is a compettition event in town called Sinj. And only men born in Sinj can participate and it consists of riding a horse with a lance and trying to "catch" a suspended metal wire target onto the lance while riding a horse. The men born in Sinj part can have some STRANGE consequences like wifes traveling to give birth in Sinj rather then the nearest hospital ( even if it is a 3 hours drive) or not leaving Sinj when carrying a son
@Lurch7861 +P is a SAAMI specification and I've never had any issues with firing them out of a Glock 19. Pretty sure it handles +P+ decently well too but no point going to too high of pressures in a simple blowback weapon. I've done around 6 grains of Unique with 115 gr FMJ bullets and while I couldn't tell you the chamber pressure they certainly seem pretty hot though no signs of excessive pressure on the casings. Can't recall the muzzle velocity off the top of my head but want to say with that hot of a load it was over 1200 fps. I don't shoot much these days but think my more normal plinking load was like 5.3 or 5.5 gr.
You know it's kinda funny how in MGSV: The Phantom Pain they made up a fictional smg called the Sz-336 that's meant to be a mix between a Mac and a vz. 61, and it looks almost exactly like this. Considering this is on forgotten weapons I'm assuming it wasn't intentional lol
Uncharted 4 has a machine pistol that is a mix of Scorpion and Micro Uzi. I always thought it was a bad design choice. But I guess there are real world examples that aren't far off. Don't even get me started on MGSV gun design. I hated how the series went from actual gun designs to the fictional mishmash guns that V has.
@Lurch7861 I mean I could believe that as well. I'm also aware that the model 93 is not relatively new, not quite 50+ years but eh. Though it does seem strange that they would choose to put it in TTP when it takes place in 1984 and the model 93 wasn't designed until 1991, then again the Metal Gear series isn't exactly a pillar of realistic depictions or historical accuracy. I find it to be just as interesting either way really.
Bit more info for the name, Alka comes from a 308 year old knight competition originating from town of Sinj (thus, Sinjska Alka), in which competitors must hit a hollow circle with their spear while riding on a horseback, where a more precise hit scores more points. The town of Sinj played a major role in our fight to repel the invaders, and thus it is really not suprising somebody named a gun after it ;) P.S : some footage of Alka if you are interested ua-cam.com/video/x4BP531w7VY/v-deo.html
@@kelian69 "Invaders" who rebelled against the Croatian state and wanted to seize Croatian territory and annex it to Serbia with the desire to create a greater Serbia. I read somewhere that the largest national minority in Vienna, Austria, are Serbs. Do you have any information on when you Serbs are planning to occupy Vienna and annex it to the smaller and smaller Serbia? I'm asking for a friend!
@@dragodrazenovic1064 Dragane, your argument has nothing to do with mine 1). I’ve explained why they weren’t invaders and that they were put there for a good reason. One of them being that you don’t use ‘bre’ as much as we do. 2) the ultimate ustaša power phantasy is that the Serbs should have just given their women and children away after they’ve been written out of the constitution and after what happened bot that far from the 1990s. It rhymes with benocyde and gethnic plensing. The latter was, coincidentally, what happened in the end to literally no ones’ surprise. And 3) yeah, we just might just so it pisses you and your friend off.
Sinjska alka is a very famous Croatian knights game, and it is still ongoing. The manifestation is held every year in august, and it has been ongoing for over 300 years now, I think it was even held every single year without exception since it started in early 18th century. It comemorates the 1715 victory of 700 Croatian defenders from Sinj who managed to succesfully defend the city against an army of 60 000 Turks.
Wrong, EVERYWHERE! like my range bag, my car, my bed, I could even have one in stainless in my bathroom! Just perfect, may be necessary to tone down the rpm, abut 450 to 600 would be nice, a mount for a red dot and a laser/flashlight combo for the one in my bed. And of course as You see in my rpm, full auto, but would love to have the Swedish K magazine and reloading tool. From 0 to 36 in about 10 seconds.
@Lurch7861 Yes it is, the COOL factor. And intimidation when racking the bolt, the best shot You will ever do is the one that solved the problem without being fired. Just to let a bad person see that YOU can defend Your self with lethal means, may discourage the majority of the not so insane of them.
@@ProphTruth100 It is different in a tank situation and a civilian one, which I meant. And by the way, a tank do not have windows as much as port holes, but not so much on modern tanks, more and more have remote controlled MGs, but if I ever have to abandone my vehicle a nice little bullet sprayer with lot of ammo to keep the heads of the enemy down. It is not an infantry weapon, then I would have my trusty HK G3 with a lot of ammo, semi is very good for that, aimed fast pace, and a pair of M240B to back me up or better a gang of MG3s.
@@saff3356 Nije. Mislim sa je snimao ove povjesne komade ko što je Alka, PHP, a možda i onaj prvi HS koji je bio kopija SIG-226. Al to je u muzeju, il galeriji, kako oni to već zovu. Mislim da će bit još videa iz HS-a. Vidit ćemo
@@saff3356 ima jedan promotivni video na UA-camu gdje se vidi nešto malo. Ma tvornica ko tvornica. Nije to ništa posebno, nema ni Willya Wonke ni Umpa-Lumpe 🤣
You can definitely see the influence of the scorpion, the Mac, the mp-40 and the UZI. Nice job making the Frakengun gun work. That cyclical rate calls into question it's usefulness though. The amount of ammunition that a soldier would need is mind boggling.
@@strangeman4182 zakon o oružju članak 11. stavak 2 točka 1 kaže da bi dobio oružje za osobnu zaštitu moraš imat opravadan razlog a ti ako si običan smrtnik sigurno nećeš dobiti dozvolu za to
I could see this being a pleasure to shoot. Classic, proven design with some clever adaptations and what looks like decent build-quality. Provided they did an OK job with the proprietary magazine, I bet this is a fun little gun.
Nice looking little SMG, and with more real-estate to hang on to, undoubtedly easier to control than an Ingram. Not fond of wire stocks, but I suppose it's perfectly adequate for a "MACovic" buzzgun like this. But if ever a gun cried out for a permanent (or at least threaded, so no rail failure of a tiny component can risk your hand suddenly finding itself downrange) broomstick VFG on the forearm...
Tbh, it doesnt look like the bolt hangs udner the barrel, so a rail coudl be screwed into the udner side of the foregrip, as logn asit didnt protrude up and hit the stock when folded i think itd be pretty gucci
@@any1alive Missed the part about "...so no rail failure of a tiny component can risk your hand..." I've seen all sorts of things come loose from rails under lateral strain. And not just Chinesium Airsoft crap.
Well done calling the war "Homeland war". Most foreigners call it the "Yugoslav civil war", but we call it "Domovinski rat" , which litteraly translates to "Homeland war".
He is living legend.He knows about how they unarmed us and then attack.It was very important and also the east germany weapons we get in 1992.Ak 74 and us unoforms...
From what I've heard,Slovenian politicians refused to give up their weapons. Though they too made an interesting SMG at the time,the MGV176 chambered in .22LR,a few of them ended up in Croatia after the war in Slovenia ended.
Ian, just received my copy of Pistols Of The Warriors Sig. Ed. In the mail today and it looks absolutely brilliant!!! Huge congratulations to you and everyone at Headstamp for the release!
I love your videos, I love how you explained everything how it really happened (Croatian Homeland war, the embargo, etc.). Great work! Greetings from Croatia!
Even traditional square tubing has a weld seam, it's just done mechanically. If you're trying to make a telescoping device it's often in the way (on the inside) and you have to remove it. This looks like a hand welded "tube" rather than commercial square tubing, though. Even most round tubing is a sheet around a mandrel then welded. This makes Electronically Resistance Welded (ERW) tubing. To get something without an obvious seam it's then Drawn Over Mandrel at which point the seam isn't in the way, and the cold working increases strength. Maybe this is done with square tube as well, I don't know, but that's what you would usually use to build a roll cage.
The advantage of welding the tube by hand is that you can do all the cutting an stamp work on a flat sheet, second you can use thicker metal and get the size you want.
@@SuperFunkmachine you can get very thick commercial square tube, far thicker than you would ever want for this. 1 1/2" tube with 3/16 wall for example, compared to something like a Sten at around 1/16 wall.
I haven't seen one of those for a long time. Late 90's- early -00's. Never got to shoot one. Visiting relatives in the Knin area. Yes, I'm Croat by direct male lineage.
I am croatian and my dad and grandpa used standard 12 cal hunting rifles in early war then my father escaped from JNA and stole them some m70ab2 s i think 5 pieces and armed people in my place
@@MravacKid ergonomically bad or what was the issue? It looks like any other UZI mind you I've only fired semiautomatic ones in the states so maybe it's much worse in auto but in semi it's a fun little SMG
@@imadequate3376 The barrel was at a visually noticeable angle with respect to the frame, which tends to be a problem when both sights are on the frame. At 25 meters, it shot half a meter left and up.
Man.. you just earned my respect cuz i see lots of "history" chanels this days who do not know jack shit about our fight for independance but you nailed it! Kudos to you for being well informed when talking about some topick. Cheers from Croatia
QUESTION... I've seen front sights like this before in many of your videos, but I've never seen an actual screw like this. So how does it not back out when firing or rotate at all when it will most likely not be screwed in all of the way after zeroing the gun? It will be half way screwed in. Is there some sort of tab or spring pushing on the screw or detent? I didn't see one...
The Yugoslavia had a doctrine of people's defense and partisan warfare in case of an invasion. Alongside the YPA as a federal army, there was TO or Territorial Defense, which was organized on Republic level and TO equipment was considered not a federal but republic property. YPA disarmed the TO of Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina. The operation failed in Slovenia, probably because the Slovenia was ethnically homogenous and it's TO was unified organization across entire republic.
My father was a Serb, military police in JNA. He served in Split and Zadar in 1989. He told me about all of the guns he shot from and he found the Ingram Mac 11 to be the most fun gun to shoot.
@@MagnumLoadedTractor There's actually plenty of Serbian/respectively Yugoslavian weapon videos here. Their copy of the PKM, their strange wannabe MP-40 and many other things. As far as I know, Bosnia doesn't have any notable designs like Croatia has from the Yugoslav wars era? Would sure be interresting to look at some unique Albanian weapons though, such as the Polican P84 SMG. Makes the Grease Gun look actually sexy.
Ingenuity under fire. When the Cheniks were attacking the city of Split, ironically, with the JNA vessel named 'Split', arms were few, so weapons like a large caliber WWI machine gun were taken from the maritime museum then used to defend the city.
As a Croat I can say only that you have stated everything right in this video,historical facts are all true which is rarely the case when someone outside Balkan presents it. You have done you homework Sir,my respect. 👏
I think we can throw the Uzi into the influences as well - the slots in the barrel look like taken exactly from a mini Uzi. And the overall look is also quite close to the mini Uzi, especially thanks to the handguard. It looks to me like they took the MAC and upgraded it to be more usable by elements from vz.61 and (mini) Uzi.
I'm so glad that you are in my country Ian. Welcome to Croatia 🇭🇷 . Fun fact - this gun is named by Sinjska Alka .The Sinjska Alka is a chivalric tournament that takes place annually, as it has since the 1715. in my hometown Sinj. It commemorates a Croatian-Venetian victory in the Ottoman-Venetian war on August 14, 1715 in which the local Christian population of around 700 Croats in cooperation with a smaller number of Venetians managed to defend Sinj against 60,000 Ottoman soldiers. In 2010, the Alka was inscribed in the UNESCO Intangible Cultural Heritage Lists. If you ever again come to Croatia, visit Sinj and Alka museum where is a lot of forgotten weapons from that period.
While Croatia isn't the major power Elbonia is I do believe that even in Croatia's most dire moments of existence they were more effectively armed than Elbonia ever was.
Alka is new age game not medevial it started in 1715 after win against turks. It is still played today on 14 august every year. It is marksman game. Guy runs with horse down the ally and tries to hit 13 cm hole that is 4 m in height.
I am so glad you call our homeland war the proper name croatian independance war and not the wrong way how some others youtubers do ( yugoslav civil war, looking at you johnathan ferguson !!!)
I don't know why the XD line gets so much hate. I owned and carried an XD compact for years cause it was what I could afford and for the money it really was a pretty nice gun.
Unfortunately for HS Produkt, I suspect a lot of it stems from misplaced hate against Springfield; they pulled some seedy anti-2A political crap some years back. The XD is a fine striker pistol and used to be well regarded as a good Glock alt. Still have mine and despite owning far nicer pistols, I probably carry it the most. It shoots well, I'm not afraid to beat it up, and it has never had a failure.
@@Statusinator I actually ordered a Mod.2 just for the GRIP ZONE, but when it showed up at my dealer I was disappointed to learn that newer models omit the text on the grip :( I have a bad habit of buying meme guns. Decent little pistol, but nothing special. It really does feel good in the hand, though.
Any chance that the VHS-1 in the poster behind you will be featured in an upcoming video? We’ve all gotten to know the VHS-2 thanks to your previous videos and Springfield importing them as the Hellion. It’d be cool to see its direct predecessor.
Off topic but we need some coverage on Remington's early .22 rifles. The model 34 and 341 have a rather interesting mechanism that would get peoples attention.
I have half a dozen Springfield Armory XD family pistols. I like them much more than the Glocks I have. High quality and good handling. If I could say 'Thank You" in Croatian I would. Thanks Ian for the video background to the modern firearms.
Would love to see you talk about the Swedish AK5. From the first trials to the latest AK5C. There is even a bullpup version of it stored in a bunker somewere.
Damn I'm getting old I remember holding one of them years ago.🙄 1996 or so and thinking I wish I could take one home with me. Then again the vintage Thompson's 28 pattern, M1 and M1a versions.... A friendly arms collector I knew, Europe of the post cold war.🤔
Only Croatian made SMG which I have ever handled and shooted, was Zagi M-91. It was during my first tour at Bih as a peacekeeper from Finnish contingent. I was acting Liaison Officer with Weapon Inspection and CIMIC tasks. Managing director from one particular local industrial plant have called us to "confiscate" gatekeeper's PDW. And it was Zagi M-91. We willingly "confiscated" that. Back in our Camp, I examined that SMG lil' closer and to my eyes it had lot of common with STENs. So, after couple of days, me and driver/BG had opportunity to go and shoot with that. Well, it was pretty easy to handle, even it was lil' bit cumbersome by design. The rate of fire was quite slow, like STEN. After shooting session We were wondering What to with Zagi. We usually destroyed confiscated weapons torching them with gas welder. Have done that couple of Zastava M72s and M59/66s. But with Zagi We decided to deactivate that and put it in display to our all ranks mess. Our Camp Commander gave us green light. We deactivated that by welding/filling the chamber and grinding of the bolt's striking face. I also wrote document for deactivation of that gun (for Finnish Authorities). And We put that gun inside wooden display box. Funny thing, that Zagi never hung on wall in our all ranks mess. Because We were ordered to move our Task Force's main base in Tuzla. Our base was in Doboj. So We decided then, that my Driver/BG can keep it, because his tour was ending soon. He never had any problems with that deactivated Zagi, when driving through Europe, from Bosnia to Finland.
The plastic pistol grip back has some oddly intricate circular cutouts on the top , is that plastic piece shared with other firearm that required those?
I just want to comment on the quality. Those a really high quality welds. I'm guessing TIG, which is not a welding process for a novice. The company obviously employed skilled people!
Important detail. Jugoslav Army did not took veapons of Croatian Armed Forces as they did not exist at the time. It have removed the veaponry that belonged to Croatian Teritorrial Defence which was officially second echelon of Jugoslav People's Army any way. These veapons and equipment were paid by Croatian tax payers. It was plain robbery. If new government chosen during first free election managed to keep those, war would propably never happened.
Bolt handle is also a safety. Receiver have smaller hole in front of the handle slot. If you twist it 90° you can't cock the gun and it also lets you know gun is safe since you can't see through sights. That is very clever safety to prevent unwanted discharge if gun falls on the buttstock.
@Lurch7861 Also yugoslav M56 SMG.
It always felt weird why this ingenious method wasn't used more.
Similar to the original MAC
Nice touch.
@Lurch7861 mp40
Ian, you are legend.
There is not a single video i don’t learn something - i even feel like i’m learning when i see your “action” videos. Thank you.
Springfield xd is called HS in croatia( probably a branding thing) . HS used to be IM metal.
Alka is a compettition event in town called Sinj. And only men born in Sinj can participate and it consists of riding a horse with a lance and trying to "catch" a suspended metal wire target onto the lance while riding a horse. The men born in Sinj part can have some STRANGE consequences like wifes traveling to give birth in Sinj rather then the nearest hospital ( even if it is a 3 hours drive) or not leaving Sinj when carrying a son
@Lurch7861 +P is a SAAMI specification and I've never had any issues with firing them out of a Glock 19. Pretty sure it handles +P+ decently well too but no point going to too high of pressures in a simple blowback weapon. I've done around 6 grains of Unique with 115 gr FMJ bullets and while I couldn't tell you the chamber pressure they certainly seem pretty hot though no signs of excessive pressure on the casings. Can't recall the muzzle velocity off the top of my head but want to say with that hot of a load it was over 1200 fps. I don't shoot much these days but think my more normal plinking load was like 5.3 or 5.5 gr.
@Lurch7861 Glocks can shoot all +P or even +P+ ammo.
My glocks have seen more boxes of +p ammo than I can count and I've never had an issue...
HS stands for Hrvtski Samokres, meaning Croatian Pistols
It is actually called PHS in croatian and it stands for Prvi Hrvatski Samokres which means First Croatian Handgun.
Those have very very nice build quality, especially when you consider the circumstances!!
You know it's kinda funny how in MGSV: The Phantom Pain they made up a fictional smg called the Sz-336 that's meant to be a mix between a Mac and a vz. 61, and it looks almost exactly like this. Considering this is on forgotten weapons I'm assuming it wasn't intentional lol
I was about to comment this same thing lol. That's a wild af to me, that the game created the "fictional" weapon but actually just used a real weapon.
Uncharted 4 has a machine pistol that is a mix of Scorpion and Micro Uzi.
I always thought it was a bad design choice.
But I guess there are real world examples that aren't far off.
Don't even get me started on MGSV gun design. I hated how the series went from actual gun designs to the fictional mishmash guns that V has.
@@tylerwilliams6022 Nano machines, dude! Oh wait, it's just bacteria giving these people super powers???
@Lurch7861 I mean I could believe that as well. I'm also aware that the model 93 is not relatively new, not quite 50+ years but eh. Though it does seem strange that they would choose to put it in TTP when it takes place in 1984 and the model 93 wasn't designed until 1991, then again the Metal Gear series isn't exactly a pillar of realistic depictions or historical accuracy. I find it to be just as interesting either way really.
@@tylerwilliams6022 I couldn't agree with that second statement more lol
Bit more info for the name, Alka comes from a 308 year old knight competition originating from town of Sinj (thus, Sinjska Alka), in which competitors must hit a hollow circle with their spear while riding on a horseback, where a more precise hit scores more points.
The town of Sinj played a major role in our fight to repel the invaders, and thus it is really not suprising somebody named a gun after it ;)
P.S : some footage of Alka if you are interested
ua-cam.com/video/x4BP531w7VY/v-deo.html
Sinj was never captured, the frontline was around 20km further to the north, near Peruča lake.
@@VedranCro
Oh damn sorry mixed it with Knin, my bad, imma fix it now
The invaders that lived on those lands for 300+ years and which was handed to them by Austro-Hungary? That’s a very spicy opinion you have there.
@@kelian69 "Invaders" who rebelled against the Croatian state and wanted to seize Croatian territory and annex it to Serbia with the desire to create a greater Serbia.
I read somewhere that the largest national minority in Vienna, Austria, are Serbs. Do you have any information on when you Serbs are planning to occupy Vienna and annex it to the smaller and smaller Serbia? I'm asking for a friend!
@@dragodrazenovic1064 Dragane, your argument has nothing to do with mine 1). I’ve explained why they weren’t invaders and that they were put there for a good reason. One of them being that you don’t use ‘bre’ as much as we do. 2) the ultimate ustaša power phantasy is that the Serbs should have just given their women and children away after they’ve been written out of the constitution and after what happened bot that far from the 1990s. It rhymes with benocyde and gethnic plensing. The latter was, coincidentally, what happened in the end to literally no ones’ surprise. And 3) yeah, we just might just so it pisses you and your friend off.
The title fits, this does looks like the result of a loving marriage between a Mac-10 and a Skorpion.
Due to the circumstances I would call it a forced marriage. ;)
@Stone De Steen same, Mac controls, scorpion stock, & pm63 furniture
Between a VZ 26 smg and a Mac 10
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It's nice to hear about firearm history from my homeland. Thanks for the great video
mislim da ima 5,6 videa o Hrvatskim puškama
@@dinkoknezevic9284 Super, bum ih sve pregledo
Koliko se sjećam,ima još videa o VHS-u, Šokcu, Agramu 2000 i EM992
Sinjska alka is a very famous Croatian knights game, and it is still ongoing. The manifestation is held every year in august, and it has been ongoing for over 300 years now, I think it was even held every single year without exception since it started in early 18th century. It comemorates the 1715 victory of 700 Croatian defenders from Sinj who managed to succesfully defend the city against an army of 60 000 Turks.
My God, those Turks were horribly outnumbered...
@@calanon534 Well, the defenders were obviously behind walls, but still the numbers difference is quite huge.
Sinjska Alka was serbian event serbian soldiers practice that so Can defend VS turks same was in Ljubičevo .but fake fake country fake news
@@zrikizrikic9126 ahh, serbian complex. Go to Kosovo! Oh, wait, Croatian army is there since 2015.
@@zrikizrikic9126 buraz kaj brijes?
This is the cutest mag-in-grip SMG I've ever seen.
Its like a pm 63 without the strange parts
Check out polish PM84 glauberyt (went in production in 1984)
They still have the Alka tournament in the town of Sinj every year in August.
If I ever bump into you here in Croatia I'm buying you beer mr. Ian! Good video!
Would make a good emergency backup weapon in a tank. Simple, effective, and compact.
Wrong, EVERYWHERE! like my range bag, my car, my bed, I could even have one in stainless in my bathroom! Just perfect, may be necessary to tone down the rpm, abut 450 to 600 would be nice, a mount for a red dot and a laser/flashlight combo for the one in my bed. And of course as You see in my rpm, full auto, but would love to have the Swedish K magazine and reloading tool. From 0 to 36 in about 10 seconds.
@Lurch7861 Yes it is, the COOL factor. And intimidation when racking the bolt, the best shot You will ever do is the one that solved the problem without being fired. Just to let a bad person see that YOU can defend Your self with lethal means, may discourage the majority of the not so insane of them.
@@dmg4415 It is cool but a shot you don't have to fire is already probably out the window if you're escaping a tank i'd imagine.
@@ProphTruth100 It is different in a tank situation and a civilian one, which I meant. And by the way, a tank do not have windows as much as port holes, but not so much on modern tanks, more and more have remote controlled MGs, but if I ever have to abandone my vehicle a nice little bullet sprayer with lot of ammo to keep the heads of the enemy down. It is not an infantry weapon, then I would have my trusty HK G3 with a lot of ammo, semi is very good for that, aimed fast pace, and a pair of M240B to back me up or better a gang of MG3s.
You are in Karlovac? Enjoy your stay in Croatia, do not hesitate to see the beautiful sights it has to offer before you leave.
Bio je prije nekih mjesec dana. Prošetao se i kroz pogon gdje ja radim. Ma lik je zakon, stao je i popričao sa svima koji znaju tko je.
@@tomislavobrovac3257 jel snimao pogone?
@@saff3356 Nije. Mislim sa je snimao ove povjesne komade ko što je Alka, PHP, a možda i onaj prvi HS koji je bio kopija SIG-226. Al to je u muzeju, il galeriji, kako oni to već zovu. Mislim da će bit još videa iz HS-a. Vidit ćemo
@@tomislavobrovac3257 šteta, baš bi volio vidjeti tvornicu
@@saff3356 ima jedan promotivni video na UA-camu gdje se vidi nešto malo. Ma tvornica ko tvornica. Nije to ništa posebno, nema ni Willya Wonke ni Umpa-Lumpe 🤣
You can definitely see the influence of the scorpion, the Mac, the mp-40 and the UZI. Nice job making the Frakengun gun work. That cyclical rate calls into question it's usefulness though. The amount of ammunition that a soldier would need is mind boggling.
not bad a bad pdw for a tanker or trucker I guess
Incidently, there's a home insurance company in Denmark named "ALKA" , I guess thats what home insurance in Croetia looks like:)
not fun fact..... you cant get a gun for home defense in croatia unless you are some sort of VIP like politician, ceo of a bank etc
😂😂😂
@@Djumlija13 that's not true at all lol
@@strangeman4182 zakon o oružju članak 11. stavak 2 točka 1 kaže da bi dobio oružje za osobnu zaštitu moraš imat opravadan razlog a ti ako si običan smrtnik sigurno nećeš dobiti dozvolu za to
@@Djumlija13🌑market
I could see this being a pleasure to shoot. Classic, proven design with some clever adaptations and what looks like decent build-quality. Provided they did an OK job with the proprietary magazine, I bet this is a fun little gun.
The profile of the ALKA Mod 93 somewhat reminds me of the Polish PM 63.
Agreed, this was my first thought when i saw thumbnail.
Same. I thought it was a Croatian copy at first
Nice looking little SMG, and with more real-estate to hang on to, undoubtedly easier to control than an Ingram.
Not fond of wire stocks, but I suppose it's perfectly adequate for a "MACovic" buzzgun like this. But if ever a gun cried out for a permanent (or at least threaded, so no rail failure of a tiny component can risk your hand suddenly finding itself downrange) broomstick VFG on the forearm...
Tbh, it doesnt look like the bolt hangs udner the barrel, so a rail coudl be screwed into the udner side of the foregrip, as logn asit didnt protrude up and hit the stock when folded i think itd be pretty gucci
I agree 100% about the need for a vertical foregrip. It would improve the gun's safety factor by quite a bit!
@@any1alive Missed the part about "...so no rail failure of a tiny component can risk your hand..."
I've seen all sorts of things come loose from rails under lateral strain. And not just Chinesium Airsoft crap.
Well done calling the war "Homeland war". Most foreigners call it the "Yugoslav civil war", but we call it "Domovinski rat" , which litteraly translates to "Homeland war".
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Most people don't know. But yes he did it right ;)
Exactly!
He is living legend.He knows about how they unarmed us and then attack.It was very important and also the east germany weapons we get in 1992.Ak 74 and us unoforms...
Yes we call it that
Always happy to see Ian review some of our Croatian guns !
Yes, try them and you'll agree, "Zagreb ebnom zlotdik diev.."
Your summation of the situation just before the war started was on point…well done my man
I'm very impressed with the homework you do about history of gun/region. Nothing but huge respect for you Ian!
I love odd weapons that come together from several parts that were deemed necessary at the time. It is the mother of invention.
Yogu army did the same in Slovenia as well, confiscated arms so the people could not fight back. Fortunately for Slovenia that war was over quick.
From what I've heard,Slovenian politicians refused to give up their weapons. Though they too made an interesting SMG at the time,the MGV176 chambered in .22LR,a few of them ended up in Croatia after the war in Slovenia ended.
Nice of you to visit us in Croatia😀👍🏻. Hope you enjoy staying here. Video is educational as always 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻.
Gde je ovo pravljeno? I koliko primeraka je napravljeno?
Yugo army: Noooooo you cant have any guns!
Croatia: hahahahaha submachinegun go brrrrrrrrrrrrr
Exactly right! * If a nation wants to be free, it's gonna get free. Especially if there are mountains and displeased machinists around...
@@LD-Orbsjohn galt???
@@andrewgates8158 Keep an eye on those ornery mechanics. Who knows what they can build, if they set their mind to it! 🧠
Welcome to Croatia, Ian!
Ian, just received my copy of Pistols Of The Warriors Sig. Ed. In the mail today and it looks absolutely brilliant!!! Huge congratulations to you and everyone at Headstamp for the release!
I love your videos, I love how you explained everything how it really happened (Croatian Homeland war, the embargo, etc.). Great work! Greetings from Croatia!
Even traditional square tubing has a weld seam, it's just done mechanically. If you're trying to make a telescoping device it's often in the way (on the inside) and you have to remove it.
This looks like a hand welded "tube" rather than commercial square tubing, though.
Even most round tubing is a sheet around a mandrel then welded. This makes Electronically Resistance Welded (ERW) tubing. To get something without an obvious seam it's then Drawn Over Mandrel at which point the seam isn't in the way, and the cold working increases strength. Maybe this is done with square tube as well, I don't know, but that's what you would usually use to build a roll cage.
The advantage of welding the tube by hand is that you can do all the cutting an stamp work on a flat sheet, second you can use thicker metal and get the size you want.
@@SuperFunkmachine you can get very thick commercial square tube, far thicker than you would ever want for this. 1 1/2" tube with 3/16 wall for example, compared to something like a Sten at around 1/16 wall.
I haven't seen one of those for a long time.
Late 90's- early -00's. Never got to shoot one.
Visiting relatives in the Knin area. Yes, I'm Croat by direct male lineage.
I am croatian and my dad and grandpa used standard 12 cal hunting rifles in early war then my father escaped from JNA and stole them some m70ab2 s i think 5 pieces and armed people in my place
I am croatia
@@benskitv lmao dude don't be like that
Auuu brate, jel to Kings English?
@@357snubnose It's OK, we speak the same language.
Hello Croatia, I am dad
Hi Ian! You should do a review of the Ero machine gun, (a copy of the UZI) an interesting machine gun that is still used by the police in Croatia.
I'd love to see that as well, I had one in the army and it was pretty bad. :)
@@MravacKid ergonomically bad or what was the issue? It looks like any other UZI mind you I've only fired semiautomatic ones in the states so maybe it's much worse in auto but in semi it's a fun little SMG
@@imadequate3376 The barrel was at a visually noticeable angle with respect to the frame, which tends to be a problem when both sights are on the frame. At 25 meters, it shot half a meter left and up.
@@MravacKid my God, that's just horrendous.
... could have been at 50 meters, it's been more than 20 years and I forget at which distances we shot.
Man.. you just earned my respect cuz i see lots of "history" chanels this days who do not know jack shit about our fight for independance but you nailed it! Kudos to you for being well informed when talking about some topick. Cheers from Croatia
Just sat down for breakfast break at work, opens UA-cam and sees a new FW video, thanks for making my morning Gun Jesus 🙏
i was wrong, GUN JESUS HAS COME TO CROATIA, this is the closest i will come to meeting you
This is surprising well-made given the circumstances it was made under.
That looks like a (somewhat) copy of a Polish PM-84 Glauberyt that went into production in 1984
Tbh, it kidna is, an inside out pm85,. base from box steel/stamped n folded
i needa look at the internals, but it does seem like it made cheaper
@@any1alive well cheap is the name of the game here... when we have nothing lol
Arms embargos always seem to favor the strong side of the conflict.
QUESTION... I've seen front sights like this before in many of your videos, but I've never seen an actual screw like this. So how does it not back out when firing or rotate at all when it will most likely not be screwed in all of the way after zeroing the gun? It will be half way screwed in. Is there some sort of tab or spring pushing on the screw or detent? I didn't see one...
You are in Croatia? Nice.
The Yugoslavia had a doctrine of people's defense and partisan warfare in case of an invasion. Alongside the YPA as a federal army, there was TO or Territorial Defense, which was organized on Republic level and TO equipment was considered not a federal but republic property. YPA disarmed the TO of Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina. The operation failed in Slovenia, probably because the Slovenia was ethnically homogenous and it's TO was unified organization across entire republic.
Just asking for internal partisan warfare.
Yes, Croatia. "Internal pride intensifying"
First time hearing about these. Greetings from Croatia.
My father was a Serb, military police in JNA. He served in Split and Zadar in 1989. He told me about all of the guns he shot from and he found the Ingram Mac 11 to be the most fun gun to shoot.
Never underestimate the power of men in sheds
That front sight looks like it was straight off of a replacement M11/9 upper.
Any chance we'll get a look at some more of the strange croatian SMGs like the Crogar 91 and Vila Velebita?
Or something serbian or Bosnian
@@MagnumLoadedTractor the Serbs had access to zastava and jna stockpiles so I doubt we'll see anything from them
@@MagnumLoadedTractor There's actually plenty of Serbian/respectively Yugoslavian weapon videos here. Their copy of the PKM, their strange wannabe MP-40 and many other things. As far as I know, Bosnia doesn't have any notable designs like Croatia has from the Yugoslav wars era?
Would sure be interresting to look at some unique Albanian weapons though, such as the Polican P84 SMG. Makes the Grease Gun look actually sexy.
Also MP Jelen
@@nots1mple306 I looked that up tf that thing looks awesome
The Croatian conflick was thirty years ago. Good grief time flies.
Ingenuity under fire. When the Cheniks were attacking the city of Split, ironically, with the JNA vessel named 'Split', arms were few, so weapons like a large caliber WWI machine gun were taken from the maritime museum then used to defend the city.
'Cheniks'?
@@zugi serbs
If you are in Croatia and going South please lets have a beer and have lunch/dinner!
Such a beautiful piece not going to lie. It sure beats the knuckleduster gun, the hatgun, the suitcasegun, pengun, the slamfire shotgun and zip22 gun.
Love these videos. Please, never stop.
I wish I knew you were comeing to Croatia. It would be nice to have meet you in person.
Hope you enjoyed your time in Karlovac
Long live independent Croatia!
NDH?
@@KiriloB NDH is dead
As a Croat I can say only that you have stated everything right in this video,historical facts are all true which is rarely the case when someone outside Balkan presents it.
You have done you homework Sir,my respect. 👏
oh no, Ian is in Croatian armory. I dont want him to see what was initial VHS during 90s (its cursed).
stay tuned ;)
I love when you makes mistakes Ian; that folding magazine is a stock LMAO
I think we can throw the Uzi into the influences as well - the slots in the barrel look like taken exactly from a mini Uzi. And the overall look is also quite close to the mini Uzi, especially thanks to the handguard.
It looks to me like they took the MAC and upgraded it to be more usable by elements from vz.61 and (mini) Uzi.
I'm so glad that you are in my country Ian. Welcome to Croatia 🇭🇷 . Fun fact - this gun is named by Sinjska Alka .The Sinjska Alka is a chivalric tournament that takes place annually, as it has since the 1715. in my hometown Sinj. It commemorates a Croatian-Venetian victory in the Ottoman-Venetian war on August 14, 1715 in which the local Christian population of around 700 Croats in cooperation with a smaller number of Venetians managed to defend Sinj against 60,000 Ottoman soldiers. In 2010, the Alka was inscribed in the UNESCO Intangible Cultural Heritage Lists.
If you ever again come to Croatia, visit Sinj and Alka museum where is a lot of forgotten weapons from that period.
While Croatia isn't the major power Elbonia is I do believe that even in Croatia's most dire moments of existence they were more effectively armed than Elbonia ever was.
Elbonia? Country in the Dilbert comic strip universe?
@@mariomikacic2022shhhhhh!
Thanks for teaching me about a part of my people's history, I know very little about our gun manufacturing in those times, so it's good to learn
there is just something about machine pistols that i love, and this one is very cool
Welcome to Croatia! :)
Nice! Very attractive and utilitarian. Thank you.
Alka is new age game not medevial it started in 1715 after win against turks. It is still played today on 14 august every year. It is marksman game. Guy runs with horse down the ally and tries to hit 13 cm hole that is 4 m in height.
I am so glad you call our homeland war the proper name croatian independance war and not the wrong way how some others youtubers do ( yugoslav civil war, looking at you johnathan ferguson !!!)
Looks like child between MAC-10 and Scorpion got really intimate but PM-63 was the milkman
Very intresting and simple SMG. Thanks for this video, Ian! You're always the n°1!😎
I hope you visited the coast while you were in Croatia (I assume it was this summer).
I don't know why the XD line gets so much hate. I owned and carried an XD compact for years cause it was what I could afford and for the money it really was a pretty nice gun.
Because Springfield.
Unfortunately for HS Produkt, I suspect a lot of it stems from misplaced hate against Springfield; they pulled some seedy anti-2A political crap some years back.
The XD is a fine striker pistol and used to be well regarded as a good Glock alt. Still have mine and despite owning far nicer pistols, I probably carry it the most. It shoots well, I'm not afraid to beat it up, and it has never had a failure.
GRIP ZONE
@@Statusinator I actually ordered a Mod.2 just for the GRIP ZONE, but when it showed up at my dealer I was disappointed to learn that newer models omit the text on the grip :(
I have a bad habit of buying meme guns. Decent little pistol, but nothing special. It really does feel good in the hand, though.
Any chance that the VHS-1 in the poster behind you will be featured in an upcoming video? We’ve all gotten to know the VHS-2 thanks to your previous videos and Springfield importing them as the Hellion. It’d be cool to see its direct predecessor.
The magazine folds up?🤔😂🤣 .. we've all made simple tongue tangulations one time or another 😂🤣
Off topic but we need some coverage on Remington's early .22 rifles. The model 34 and 341 have a rather interesting mechanism that would get peoples attention.
Did you visit Dubrovnik when you visited Croatia? We loved it!
Well thought out little emergency sub gun!
Ian, please speak with HS Produkt about importing VHS-2 optics, pistol grips, and barrels. Thank you
Very cool, I like the design, & that they innovated a few different firearms into one that works.
I’ve never heard of this thing, but now I want one!
I have half a dozen Springfield Armory XD family pistols. I like them much more than the Glocks I have. High quality and good handling. If I could say 'Thank You" in Croatian I would. Thanks Ian for the video background to the modern firearms.
“Hvala” is how you would say thanks 😊
Would love to see you talk about the Swedish AK5. From the first trials to the latest AK5C. There is even a bullpup version of it stored in a bunker somewere.
I guess this is why we don't have video tapes being made anymore. The company went into gun manufacturing.
Damn I'm getting old I remember holding one of them years ago.🙄 1996 or so and thinking I wish I could take one home with me. Then again the vintage Thompson's 28 pattern, M1 and M1a versions.... A friendly arms collector I knew, Europe of the post cold war.🤔
This gun looks straight out of Metal Gear Solid 5
That's a very neat little SMG
It looks very professionally done.
Only Croatian made SMG which I have ever handled and shooted, was Zagi M-91. It was during my first tour at Bih as a peacekeeper from Finnish contingent. I was acting Liaison Officer with Weapon Inspection and CIMIC tasks. Managing director from one particular local industrial plant have called us to "confiscate" gatekeeper's PDW. And it was Zagi M-91. We willingly "confiscated" that. Back in our Camp, I examined that SMG lil' closer and to my eyes it had lot of common with STENs. So, after couple of days, me and driver/BG had opportunity to go and shoot with that. Well, it was pretty easy to handle, even it was lil' bit cumbersome by design. The rate of fire was quite slow, like STEN. After shooting session We were wondering What to with Zagi. We usually destroyed confiscated weapons torching them with gas welder. Have done that couple of Zastava M72s and M59/66s. But with Zagi We decided to deactivate that and put it in display to our all ranks mess. Our Camp Commander gave us green light. We deactivated that by welding/filling the chamber and grinding of the bolt's striking face. I also wrote document for deactivation of that gun (for Finnish Authorities). And We put that gun inside wooden display box. Funny thing, that Zagi never hung on wall in our all ranks mess. Because We were ordered to move our Task Force's main base in Tuzla. Our base was in Doboj. So We decided then, that my Driver/BG can keep it, because his tour was ending soon. He never had any problems with that deactivated Zagi, when driving through Europe, from Bosnia to Finland.
It looks simple, cheap to manufacture, not many areas seems to be prone to failures and looks pretty.
Holy crap Ian, did you forget to look inside the lower? Really would've loved to see the FCG.
Cool that they still supply their product catalogue in VHS. /joke
The plastic pistol grip back has some oddly intricate circular cutouts on the top , is that plastic piece shared with other firearm that required those?
thank you for showing our croatian smg
I just want to comment on the quality. Those a really high quality welds. I'm guessing TIG, which is not a welding process for a novice. The company obviously employed skilled people!
I've seen something similar in one of Professor Parabellum's manuals...
Thanks
Important detail. Jugoslav Army did not took veapons of Croatian Armed Forces as they did not exist at the time. It have removed the veaponry that belonged to Croatian Teritorrial Defence which was officially second echelon of Jugoslav People's Army any way. These veapons and equipment were paid by Croatian tax payers. It was plain robbery. If new government chosen during first free election managed to keep those, war would propably never happened.
weapon was taken before first democratic election. Croatian Communist Party was responsible for giving weapons to Yugoslav Army
@@saff3356 sadly, nobody was ever held responsible fir that.
Slava croatia
super, hvala
Looking forward to this interesting piece's range visit!