Grayson for a 35 year old “leader” with an attitude problem, Hell no. The problem with this team from the beginning was creating a big 3. If they focused on the two stars in KD and Book and used CP3’s salary to get complimentary pieces around those guys this team would’ve been better that what they are with Beal or Jimmy if they get him. See if Beal would be open to leaving look at the team he picks and then get some specialist and picks back. The big 3 thing doesn’t work when you have overlapping talents
I agree with a lot of that, I'm just not sure what you wanted for CP3 was even possible. His value was the lowest it's probably ever been and even though he's money coming off the books, a contender likely isn't going to give up multiple decent players for him at that stage of his career and it's not worth it for a rebuilding team. The Suns made the best out of what they thought was a tricky situation. Can you content with someone like Gabe Vincent or Cam Payne being your starting PG? Or do you wanna take a bit of a risk? That risk just didn't pay off
I like this move . And I believe the Suns should look at one more big package for Jimmy Buckets if not let it go and just move NurkDaddy. I would make all options open. Nurk for Lonzo?
I like this move too it makes me happy that the suns ruined their whole team in 1 year for absolutely nothing 😂 2021 squad is still the best suns squad and they broke it up to satisfy Kevin Durant these Mfs had cam Johnson ayton bridges and could’ve added on
I would definitely pull the trigger for Lonzo. Growing up a Suns fans since the KJ days, we pride ourselves in cerebro PG with great passing ability and an engine for the team. Lonzo is a much needed PG in our team since CP3 left.
@@gojohnny100 Because a PG with a vision is more valuable than a 3-point shooter. PG who can set and pass at the right time and place is way better than a 3-point specialist who can have many off nights.
I want to say I prefer to keep both. But if I had to give one up, it’s Royce. For 2 reasons. 1. You gave up JO and potentially Beal, if they lose Grayson, they lack depth in the backcourt. 2. Grayson will have more trade value in the future, as well as makes more so you could have more flexibility, the next time the Suns need to switch it up again. This is the time to capitalize on the peak value of Royce. Like we should have done last offseason with Nurk.
Grayson gotta go for sure. Get an FRP in return for him. If Richards goes for 3 SRPs, Grayson can easily be moved for 1 FRPs. Use that to sweeten the pot for the Brad deal.
Bradley Beal is only 31. Jimmy Butler is 35 with a 55 million dollar player option at the end of this season. There is no way the Suns should trade for that albatross contract.
As a Suns fan for over 30 years, I am so over the Suns getting these old, busted players. The NBA is a young league now, look at OKC, Memphis and Houston..........young teams are where it's at not, aging super teams SMH
I hear ya but if the one place Beal will opt out of the no trade is Miami I think we should jump on it. Jimmy brings elements the team needs like size, playoff experience and grit.
I would say keep Royce, if he didn't rely on the 3 so much! Suns problem is, we need height!! He doesn't use his height however. Royce never just goes to the hole!! We need guys, when the 3 is not falling...for the love of God, go to the basket!! That's Bol Bol problem also, all that length and height, yet is always sitting outside!! We need athletic slashers!!! We have a MULTITUDE of shooters.
We don't need Royce now that we have Dunn they are the same kind of player. Grayson is a legit sharpshooter, not Royce. G has the best 3 point % in the NBA over the last 2 seasons.
Use that draft pick for Jimmy bro. Idc what we gotta do, just make the swap from Beal to Jimmy happen. But i really wish that would've been Nurk instead of Okogie for all the reason you said.
grayson + royce > butler. Butler's clowning and down year anyway makes me wary of what he will actually bring to the table. He's an upgrade on Beal but I would rather have beal + either grayson or royce, and keep the pick, than haul Jimmy's pouty ahh over here lol.
We don't have an offensive problem. Our problems are defense and Rebounds. It will be interesting to see what Richards will add. I'd hate to lose Grayson. Royce is a better defender. We lost great energy from Okogie. The 'No Trade Clause' really put a damper on anything. I'm not sure why they agreed to take on that contract in case it didn't work. And it's not working in it's current form despite Beal coming off the bench. Beal's inconsistent too. He had 2 decent games of 25pts. He scored only 11 pts against the Hawks. I gave Nurk the benefit of the doubt. He's not cutting it and definitely needs to be moved. I don't think anyone wants him.
How many balls do typical NBA games get played with? Durant, Book, Beal and Butler? You're going to need to get Adam Silver to at least up it to 3 balls.
Tell me why the sub Reddit r/Suns banned be because someone said Jimmy Butler is soft and then I posted a picture of our hype “man” with painted nails and said that’s the reason we losing 😂 hope we get Jimmy so we can salvage the season
I think we need to cool our jets on championship talks and focus on winning a playoff game. It’s funny how we crucified a player for wanting to get paid but now glorifying one whose sole purpose is getting paid!! At this point we’re just grabbing at straws and this continuous roster flipping isn’t going to be appealing for players.
That pick has almost no value, its a second rounder from the nuggets so almost certainly near the very end of the draft. Second rounders already have questionable value, but late second rounders, these are so meaningless that teams will make joke picks with them, like the Lakers drafting Bronny. So to the question, what to do with it, doesn't really matter, its ornamental. Could be tossed into a trade if needed, they could use it to take a player, but more then likely it won't impact anything no matter what they do with it so I don't have strong feelings on it.
chase of title... smh.... at this point it's not even funny anymore. if they have title on mind they should blow this up and start rebuild. otherwise no chance for title in booker era.
The heat are not taking beal's contract. The suns couldn't even move nurks contract for nick. Suns need to trade everyone and start over, they are currently 19-20 in the west. I don't even see them making the playoffs this year.
They ain't trading for jimmy... Stop it. Trade Grayson for a great power forward. Grayson has been a big disappointment this season and his contract is 17 million, hopefully they trade nurkic and attach the 3.4 million trade exception they saved from the Richards trade
Trade Grayson all day if you can get 1 or 2 first rd picks Even a 1st and 2nd pick would be a steal. Rather suns use him to get a true PF like topin or Avidja. Butler just gives us another smaller less athletic guard. Younger and longer is what we need.
Sure, let's trade what precious little depth and draft capital we have on another star. That's definitely not going to end badly 🙄 Under different circumstances, I'd be excited about the idea of Butler coming and bringing his toughness and leadership. But even with Butler, the Suns have 0% chance to win the championship. All he does is help us avoid the play-in, and maybe make the 2nd round. Not worth making our future situation somehow even more bleak. What we should be doing is trading KD before he either walks or worse, signs onto another monster contract. And Matt Ishbia needs to settle the eff down and get people to run this team that know what they're doing.
@ The biggest reason why Beal Plumlee Nurkic look so bad is due to sharing the floor with Tyus. Those players already struggle on both ends and having to share the court with Tyus just is double negatives. Only KD and Booker do to their scoring look playable but even then Book is not great defender and he can’t help Tyus and KD can’t waste all his energy to help him every possession. Tyus even takes forever to setup scorers on offense too which is just a bad combination
Beal is enough for Butler, Miami has not chile being that he wants out already, giving up Royce and Allen was well is just too much, for all that keep team as is because the Richards move improved the roster substantially.
I doubt it. Too many moving parts. Beal and Allen and nurk yes I would like that. But a pick and dunn or oso sorry no. The heat can just wait until the off season. And trade him for more .
Actually it’s the opposite suns giving the little picks they have for center. Lose more momentum trying get Jimmy butler wtf you smoking can you share some so I could think so delusional . less picks more momentum you’re killing me 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nurk isn't the problem. I center giving up 45 lbs, less points, and less rebounds. Yeah, that's going to help us considerably. It did save Ishbia around $20 mil a year. That is the only thing this trade will do. And don't come back after the first 2 honeymoon games and tell me how great he is. Give it a week and everyone will be pissed that we don't have JO anymore and 4 centers fighting for a position. Great we got someone else, but we really need to focus on the issues we have.
The suns front office hustling ass backwards 😂
Grayson for a 35 year old “leader” with an attitude problem, Hell no. The problem with this team from the beginning was creating a big 3. If they focused on the two stars in KD and Book and used CP3’s salary to get complimentary pieces around those guys this team would’ve been better that what they are with Beal or Jimmy if they get him. See if Beal would be open to leaving look at the team he picks and then get some specialist and picks back. The big 3 thing doesn’t work when you have overlapping talents
I agree with a lot of that, I'm just not sure what you wanted for CP3 was even possible. His value was the lowest it's probably ever been and even though he's money coming off the books, a contender likely isn't going to give up multiple decent players for him at that stage of his career and it's not worth it for a rebuilding team. The Suns made the best out of what they thought was a tricky situation. Can you content with someone like Gabe Vincent or Cam Payne being your starting PG? Or do you wanna take a bit of a risk? That risk just didn't pay off
I like this move . And I believe the Suns should look at one more big package for Jimmy Buckets if not let it go and just move NurkDaddy. I would make all options open. Nurk for Lonzo?
I like this move too it makes me happy that the suns ruined their whole team in 1 year for absolutely nothing 😂 2021 squad is still the best suns squad and they broke it up to satisfy Kevin Durant these Mfs had cam Johnson ayton bridges and could’ve added on
I would definitely pull the trigger for Lonzo. Growing up a Suns fans since the KJ days, we pride ourselves in cerebro PG with great passing ability and an engine for the team. Lonzo is a much needed PG in our team since CP3 left.
And steve nash! Why get rid of our only 3-point shooters for another mid range shooter in a 3 point leage😢
@@gojohnny100 Because a PG with a vision is more valuable than a 3-point shooter. PG who can set and pass at the right time and place is way better than a 3-point specialist who can have many off nights.
Great trade for the Suns🏀👏🙏
I want to say I prefer to keep both. But if I had to give one up, it’s Royce. For 2 reasons. 1. You gave up JO and potentially Beal, if they lose Grayson, they lack depth in the backcourt. 2. Grayson will have more trade value in the future, as well as makes more so you could have more flexibility, the next time the Suns need to switch it up again. This is the time to capitalize on the peak value of Royce. Like we should have done last offseason with Nurk.
We don’t need Jimmy. We need 1st round picks. Surround the OG’s with young and hungry players. Draft another 7ft killer.
Grayson gotta go for sure. Get an FRP in return for him. If Richards goes for 3 SRPs, Grayson can easily be moved for 1 FRPs. Use that to sweeten the pot for the Brad deal.
Bradley Beal
2031 1st
2025 2nd (From Charlotte in the Nick Richards trade)
Jimmy time
Bradley Beal is only 31. Jimmy Butler is 35 with a 55 million dollar player option at the end of this season. There is no way the Suns should trade for that albatross contract.
Butler the new Horseman
As a Suns fan for over 30 years, I am so over the Suns getting these old, busted players. The NBA is a young league now, look at OKC, Memphis and Houston..........young teams are where it's at not, aging super teams SMH
What superteam ? Y’all call every team a superteam
@ Hey my man, I’m sorry your life sucks and you have to troll 🧌 I hope you find some joy in your life 🙏
@@SuperWarioBrother
His life sucks.
Your posts suck.
You guys should date.
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I hear ya but if the one place Beal will opt out of the no trade is Miami I think we should jump on it. Jimmy brings elements the team needs like size, playoff experience and grit.
I would say keep Royce, if he didn't rely on the 3 so much! Suns problem is, we need height!! He doesn't use his height however. Royce never just goes to the hole!! We need guys, when the 3 is not falling...for the love of God, go to the basket!! That's Bol Bol problem also, all that length and height, yet is always sitting outside!! We need athletic slashers!!! We have a MULTITUDE of shooters.
They have couple games. Think richards is game changer. Beal sees impact might not leave
Grayson and the first
Not only does Beal have to waive his no trade clause, another team has to agree to take him what are the odds of both happening
That's the easy part. Getting somebody to take his contract is the real obstacle.
Sweeten the deal and trade Bol Bol to the Blazer for Doup
No one is taking Bradley Beal with his contract
We don't need Royce now that we have Dunn they are the same kind of player. Grayson is a legit sharpshooter, not Royce. G has the best 3 point % in the NBA over the last 2 seasons.
Use that draft pick for Jimmy bro. Idc what we gotta do, just make the swap from Beal to Jimmy happen. But i really wish that would've been Nurk instead of Okogie for all the reason you said.
Adios Grayson!!
Possibly the least respected 3 point shooter in the nba.
Yep@@johnnelson3665
@@johnnelson3665thats what we need. It's a 3 point league. Why do we need onother mid range shooter. We already lose out on marh
Let Grayson go bro Royce’s defense is too valuable
I agree
Grayson 3 points is too valuable for this team tough trade
1:02 t lea@amzobykane153 Absolutely. It's a 3-point league. Why get rid of our best shooter for another mid range shooter. Especially an old one
Grayson 3pt shooting is saving us in most games
I agree ruby
You really want a guy who now has to leverage a trade by threatening to opt IN to his option year.
No, not me.
grayson + royce > butler. Butler's clowning and down year anyway makes me wary of what he will actually bring to the table. He's an upgrade on Beal but I would rather have beal + either grayson or royce, and keep the pick, than haul Jimmy's pouty ahh over here lol.
Beal and 2 picks for Butler is more than the Heat are gonna get anywhere else, which will be nothing if they do not act.
we legit can not lose royce brad grayson and a second rnd
Miami does NOT want beal
If it takes Beal, Grayson, Royce to get jimmy yeah I’m good lmao that’s just getting rid of depth we need
If the Suns trade Royce and Allen for Butler, that means the Suns will never learn. They need to keep Royce at all means.
Suns played on percs against ATL
We don't have an offensive problem. Our problems are defense and Rebounds. It will be interesting to see what Richards will add. I'd hate to lose Grayson. Royce is a better defender. We lost great energy from Okogie. The 'No Trade Clause' really put a damper on anything. I'm not sure why they agreed to take on that contract in case it didn't work. And it's not working in it's current form despite Beal coming off the bench. Beal's inconsistent too. He had 2 decent games of 25pts. He scored only 11 pts against the Hawks. I gave Nurk the benefit of the doubt. He's not cutting it and definitely needs to be moved. I don't think anyone wants him.
I Think you need to trade for butler. Draft picks don't hit more then they do.
Trade Beal and get Jimmy Butler
How many balls do typical NBA games get played with? Durant, Book, Beal and Butler? You're going to need to get Adam Silver to at least up it to 3 balls.
Beal is gone buddy
@@Valentiinoali Still doing to need 2 balls
Why people keep saying Bradley beal lol he probably doesnt even wanna leave they cant just trade him
yooo
I over the Jimmy Bulter situation and just want the Suns to trade Nurk for some young role players and draft picks if they can get that too
Tell me why the sub Reddit r/Suns banned be because someone said Jimmy Butler is soft and then I posted a picture of our hype “man” with painted nails and said that’s the reason we losing 😂 hope we get Jimmy so we can salvage the season
I think we need to cool our jets on championship talks and focus on winning a playoff game.
It’s funny how we crucified a player for wanting to get paid but now glorifying one whose sole purpose is getting paid!!
At this point we’re just grabbing at straws and this continuous roster flipping isn’t going to be appealing for players.
Send Beale and nurk away for a elite PF
Okogie offensive boards will be missed
No Jimmy please
That pick has almost no value, its a second rounder from the nuggets so almost certainly near the very end of the draft. Second rounders already have questionable value, but late second rounders, these are so meaningless that teams will make joke picks with them, like the Lakers drafting Bronny. So to the question, what to do with it, doesn't really matter, its ornamental. Could be tossed into a trade if needed, they could use it to take a player, but more then likely it won't impact anything no matter what they do with it so I don't have strong feelings on it.
There is plenty of talent in the second round bro.
if we get butler oooooooo. that would be good
The suns need a janitor. I know 50 million is a lot to pay a janitor but we gotta have Beal do something.
We are never takin ass Beal
ya i hope phoenix doesn't actually want butler either lol
We will come back to this..
O’Neale over Grayson all day. Grayson trade first.
I thought suns cant do a multi for 1 trade
chase of title... smh.... at this point it's not even funny anymore. if they have title on mind they should blow this up and start rebuild. otherwise no chance for title in booker era.
The heat are not taking beal's contract. The suns couldn't even move nurks contract for nick. Suns need to trade everyone and start over, they are currently 19-20 in the west. I don't even see them making the playoffs this year.
Blah blah blah
I don’t want Jimmy, not for that price
I dont want butler on this team, this team has enough ego's on it already
They ain't trading for jimmy... Stop it. Trade Grayson for a great power forward. Grayson has been a big disappointment this season and his contract is 17 million, hopefully they trade nurkic and attach the 3.4 million trade exception they saved from the Richards trade
Trade Grayson all day if you can get 1 or 2 first rd picks
Even a 1st and 2nd pick would be a steal.
Rather suns use him to get a true PF like topin or Avidja.
Butler just gives us another smaller less athletic guard.
Younger and longer is what we need.
Sure, let's trade what precious little depth and draft capital we have on another star. That's definitely not going to end badly 🙄
Under different circumstances, I'd be excited about the idea of Butler coming and bringing his toughness and leadership. But even with Butler, the Suns have 0% chance to win the championship. All he does is help us avoid the play-in, and maybe make the 2nd round. Not worth making our future situation somehow even more bleak.
What we should be doing is trading KD before he either walks or worse, signs onto another monster contract. And Matt Ishbia needs to settle the eff down and get people to run this team that know what they're doing.
As long as Tyus is in the lineup Suns won’t go anywhere. A liability on defense and overrated on offense.
Man I said that when they came out with the video about scooping him up and we're going off about his seven to one assisted turnover ratio
@ The biggest reason why Beal Plumlee Nurkic look so bad is due to sharing the floor with Tyus. Those players already struggle on both ends and having to share the court with Tyus just is double negatives. Only KD and Booker do to their scoring look playable but even then Book is not great defender and he can’t help Tyus and KD can’t waste all his energy to help him every possession. Tyus even takes forever to setup scorers on offense too which is just a bad combination
Ship out Allen
Please get London
We don’t need Jimmy trade for depth
Beal is enough for Butler, Miami has not chile being that he wants out already, giving up Royce and Allen was well is just too much, for all that keep team as is because the Richards move improved the roster substantially.
I would trade Grayson 😢
We dont need jimmy, we need another decent role player for center and PF
Butler ain’t worth Grayson and Royce. Just trade Nurk to GS.
I doubt it. Too many moving parts. Beal and Allen and nurk yes I would like that. But a pick and dunn or oso sorry no. The heat can just wait until the off season. And trade him for more .
unfortunately im letting grayson go because we need size…..
Actually it’s the opposite suns giving the little picks they have for center. Lose more momentum trying get Jimmy butler wtf you smoking can you share some so I could think so delusional . less picks more momentum you’re killing me 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
We don’t need jimmy, would rather have Beal and Allen or Royce
In James Jones I trust.
In James Jones I DONT trust. I fixed your post for you
We gave up our only #1 pick for Grayson Allen I hop we keep him. Hes perfect for the PHX fan base
Nurk isn't the problem. I center giving up 45 lbs, less points, and less rebounds. Yeah, that's going to help us considerably. It did save Ishbia around $20 mil a year. That is the only thing this trade will do. And don't come back after the first 2 honeymoon games and tell me how great he is. Give it a week and everyone will be pissed that we don't have JO anymore and 4 centers fighting for a position. Great we got someone else, but we really need to focus on the issues we have.
Is it? It took a different turn with Richards so I can only wonder how much different the Jimmy deal would look.
Get rid of book
Should we just get rid of Matt Ishbia
You misspelled James Jones
You want to get rid of the only suns owner that is willing to spend money on the team? Really? Longing for the Sarver days huh.
I sick of suns fans 🤦🏿♂️
Then probably don’t watch and comment on a suns fan video.
I’m a Heat fan, so jimmy butler thing is linked to suns which is all over my algorithm 😢
package Alllen, Lee, oso& Dunn
Chasing titles? lol these idiots are chasing the play in.