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1930s to Early 1940s Wearever Boy Scout Mess Kit review and Demo.
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2024
- In this one, I describe and give a little history on this kit and then take it to the woods to cook with it. I estimate by the condition of this kit that it is most likely from the late 1930s to about 1941. It certainly could be older with that patent date of 1915.
Here are some links to my information sources used on this video:
www.boyslife.org/wayback
Here is the link to the original 1915 patent:
patents.google...
I was a boy scout back in the 60s. I had one of these types of mess kits. During a jamboree, my father, who had been a migrant worker in the 30s showed me how to clean it after a meal with gravel and dirt. Some of the older scout masters agreed and knew how to do it as well. Unfortunately, the newer scout masters did not like it, and I got a demerit for doing it.
Watching outdoor cooking videos is relaxing. Puts me in the mood for a picnic.
Johnny Rook me too. Can’t wait to get out again! Thanks for watching and for commenting!
I just got one from an antique mall in Alvin, a nice older women saw me with it and quickly recognized it, she went on to tell me of how she and her brothers in the scouts would make a stove out of a tuna can and cardboard soaked in paraffin to cook eggs on these kits.
14:20 You get meat out when you make small hole in the can bottom and blow by mouth.
22:45 Trangia type pliers handle is better. I use it with german mess kit and with other if needed. Pail handle is good and it can fasten by binder clips or small holes for steel wire. If you not have lid, aluminum foil is suitable. You can use it for cooking directly on the fire..
I just used my knife to cut them into smaller pieces that also creates a vacuum release and they come out also you don't scratch up your aluminum the way he could have by cutting it in his Kohl's
Thanks John for the info. I have one of the 1930's to 40's kits, (888) on the fry pan made by Wearever, but none of the pots or fry pan has the boy scout emblem on them. The cover has a plain snap but also has two flaps on the inside that also snap together. Again no BSA markings on the cover. I also have one of the steel ones but with no cover. I love that fry pan, very heavy duty.
Nice Video John. The mess kit looks like it will be good for many years. I still have my old boy scout mess kit, and knife, from the early 70's and it still works just fine. Thanks for the video.
Bart Walker Thanks for watching my video and for your comment. They don’t make stuff like this anymore.
Cooked a lot of pancakes on one of these in the scouts over a wood fire. I usually made silver turtles for evening meal so I didn't have to clean it.
I have a couple of these kits. I bought one for my daughter to go camping and 1 for mine self. 1930's-1940's
Neither one of mine has any balance issues and will stay on top of a soda can empty. I just have to push it forward a little. Also when you do your handle like that there are cold when both sides of your handles for a stick to go through so you don't have to have gloves. Also it's not about seasoning the aluminum as much as what kind of eggs you are cooking. Fried eggs don't stick nearly as bad as scrambled. When you scramble eggs they absorb up all of the oil. They will actually suck oil out of it until they stick. I have seen him stuck to non-stick pans.... Again my youngest daughter and her friends. It's really hard to scramble eggs in anything without getting them to stick at least a little. You have to keep working them and making sure there's enough oil. Season oil into the pan helps. But you have to keep the eggs moving and scraping as they start to stick or they will burn right to it. My guess is you lost your emblem when someone was trying to wash stains out of the mess kit. Probably during several Washings and probably with bleach. Still your kit is in pretty excellent condition. The only bad thing about that cuff is you don't want to drink coffee out of it. Drinking something hot out of a metal cup is not always the best course. I love my metal cup. But I also carry a plastic one because I love my lips even more. I know the military and everyone else have been drinking out of metal cups for centuries.
WOW Amazing! I have this model. except cup & pouch. But it so useful canteen.😄👍👍👍
Wish I still had my kit from the Scouts. Good video! Thanks!
They sell them on eBay. You can get one for less than 20 bucks. Some of the kids go for about 30 if they have the separate leather silverware holder and Fork, spoon and knife. They threw in a pair of leggings with one of the ones I bought. You can pick up Boy Scout knives pretty cheap too. Just about everything. Walmart has a pretty cheap stainless steel kit for $5. It doesn't come with a carrying case. And the parts are a little small. The cup is made out of plastic. So what do you expect for five bucks. Actually it's probably better to cook in because it's stainless steel and not aluminum. But I throw caution to the wind
Realy u r great camper n antique mess kit collecter.
I m also a camper but i cant find like this mess kit..
Thanks bro. For encoraging.
Very cool. I saw one a couple of weeks ago at an antique store. It was in the original canvas bag, but only contained the plate and skillet. $40.00. I had to pass on it. The grits looked fine to me. In fact, I'm about to make some right now! 👍🏻
Carolina Chris Outdoors They were asking too much even if the kit was complete. If you really would like one, keep your eye on eBay. There are people selling these and the steel ones from estate finds with good prices. Thanks for watching another one and for your comment! I hope your grits were awesome!
I’m from the UK and one of your other videos introduced me to the Scout cook kit.
I like the look of it and will try and source one on eBay, it’s expensive shipping to UK but still worth it in my opinion.
I bet a few people have burnt their lips on the Aluminium cup though.
My dad has a kit like this probably from the 70s. I've seen new Coleman ones at Walmart, but I don't think they're as robust? Shame really, I'm realizing the modern cooksets reinvented something that didn't need fixing
Isn't that how it always goes though. You should see the crap they try to push off on the scouts now. I don't think these Scout people really know what they're doing anymore. Having them carrying Tupperware to eat out of. And plastic Sports bottles they were even trying to get them to purchase wood splitting tools. Like a scout on a hike is going to carry around a 20 lb wedge ax along with everything else. They even suggest bigger cooking pots and having communal cooking instead of letting the boys cook for themselves. But that's what happens when you allow liberals to see them and force them to take homosexuals as Scout Masters. Now they're trying to steal their land in a bunch of trumped-up lawsuit because they forced the Scouts into allowing dangerous people to be involved. And you know damn well they're going to buy up the land cheap and auction and probably sell it to China for a fortune. I cannot get on any social media without being a dozen of their stupid advertisements it's like they want people to lie and make false accusations. The people are standing up to them if you ever read the comments.
@Floyd Vaughn also you are an idiot and you're wrong. The Scouting movement was started in 1908 when Robert baden-powell wrote a book on scouting for boys. 2 years later Robert Baden Powell along with Charles Eastman, William D Boyce, Ernest Thompson Seton, and Daniel Carter beard started the Boy Scouts. Perhaps you are the one who needs to educate yourself. People like you think you know everything. But all it takes is someone who pays attention to prove you to be the fool you are.
Pretty cool. I’ve been collecting the Boy Scouts Mess kits including the wear-ever set! My favorite is the tinned steel mess kits and the wear-ever mess kits!!cool video. The wear-ever pan doesn’t have the lip which I like. Also thicker aluminum. There’s several kits similar to the wear-ever kits.
My favorite is the tinned mess kit too with the older Wearever kits in a close second. In case you have not seen it, I made 4 videos with the tinned steel kit. In one video named “Mess Kit Cooking In The Woods”, I was baking a small cake in the tinned cup over the fire and I got the cup a little too hot when the water in the mixed baked out. The result was the tin getting too hot on the outside bottom of the cup. Thankfully, not much of the tin dripped off and the coating is still good. Because of this, lately I have been using my Wearever set more as I don’t want to mess it up. I guess it will be ok as long as I keep fluid in the container while cooking. The tin set is still my favorite Scout set. Thanks for watching and for your comment!
Do you have a list that you have compiled of the different kits? I just got a whatever kit but it has a mirro plate. I’d like to find a 188 plate to complete the set.
Just donated my Dad's 1935 kit to Camp Gorton where he was a scout then councilor from 1935 to 1938.
Great video John, as always
Thank you!
Those younger guys only brought cereal bars, what a shame
josephd27 hey buddy
@@Sticky745 hello
It was a shame. I tried my best to talk them into cooking and even offered them gear to borrow but only one boy actually cooked something with his canteen cup. I think this was a good lesson because we didn’t share this time with them lol. They sure wanted us to though :)
Thanks for watching and for your comment!
When I was in the English Boy Scouts 1960's we did not have any of these type of cooking kits. It's a pity because there's nothing to collect.
Chris Needham That’s a shame. Did you guys have official knives, canteens or packs? Or did your troop use military surplus items and stuff sold in stores?
@@John-Sherwood-W4JFS...... when we went camping it was all military surplus, everything tents, pots and pans the lot. The sleeping bag and rucksack was from a store. As I remember there was a semi official knife.
I was surprised when I found out they had Chinese boy scouts. Of course they have different animals and I'm sure the materials is radically different. Can you believe they are now requiring Eagle Scouts to obtain a merit badge in gender studies and ethnic relationship. They even have a rainbow one for gay awareness. And they even have pride scarfs. It is sick what the Liberals have forced the scouts to do
What a great little kit that's awesome thanks for sharing John 👍
All the best
Roo
I had the old scout kit circa 1963, and now have a cheapo Walmart one. The old scout kit was much better.
Well the Walmart on only cost five bucks and is stainless steel and probably is safer to eat from than aluminum doctors claim aluminum isn't the best thing to cook in... I just like to throw caution to the wind.
@@captainfragger6295 Mine is aluminum, they changed to steel after I got mine. I have included a light weight larger steel pot with my kit now.
@@theprophetez1357 I believe they quit making aluminum because they were claiming aluminum can be bad for you plus it melts. I think I had one of those decades ago long lost by now. I try to buy titanium these days. But I haven't seen one like this that is titanium. Probably be expensive if I find it. I have a small titanium frying pan, a titanium pot, spoon fork combo and of course the wide mouth canteen and nesting cup. Which sit me back about a hundred and eighty bucks. I usually keep the cheap stuff in my car. And save the good stuff for Planned trips. Of course my kids are always taking my stuff...
@@captainfragger6295 Oh and by the way don't worry about the children. One day, in one way, they will repay.
I have the next version apparently, i showed it in a recent vid. Thanks for the share.
Kullcraven Bushcraft & Survival yes you do. A really nice kit. I just watched your part 1 and 2 videos. Thanks for watching mine and for commenting!
I had a mirro kit when I was in scouts in the 80’s
Thereal111t very cool! Did you like it ok? I just ordered a newer kit in a package deal with the red bag. The bottom of the BSA emblem has “Be Prepared” instead of “National Council”. I have found that they changed that emblem to Be Prepared around 1968 when they moved the National Headquarters again. So that makes 3 BSA mess kits that I own now.
The skillet with the handle left folded can still be picked up using a stick going through the two opening holes on the handle just like the Swedish army mess kit pan.
I think you can mix egg with the grits to thicken it up.
Lay aluminum foil in the pan for eggs otherwise you soak and scrub for days. I have two sets. One with an olive green pouch, and one with a gray pouch.
My scout leader taught me how to adjust the temp on the open fire
This is so cool. I'm hooked
matt matty I’m glad you enjoyed it. I hope you will find a good vintage kit.
My scout leader said the water will boil out an get thick the amount doesn't really matter. But it is a ( cup )
Nice kit, I had a 70s kit, much thicker than the newer ones.
Redsorgum cool! I’m thinking that this kit was even thicker than the ones in the 70s. I will find out soon because I just ordered a newer kit in a package deal with the red nylon bag. I will get the micrometer out and do some measuring. Thanks for watching and for your comment!
Lovely kit, I like the oldens.peace
Thanks Scout! I enjoyed cooking with it.
Patents I believe were for 40 years at the time.
I have a cup like this in my kitchen window I keep odds and ends in. Had to go check it. It is stamped with USMC and under that carrollton mfr.. they look a like but not the same. :/
Livin the good life John! I'd love one of those old mess kits,but I live in British Columbia, and don't see them around that often?
Roadie_Guru The real old ones like this one are getting hard to find here too. Every one in a while a steel kit will pop up too. There is a abundance of the 60s-80s ones on eBay now probably from estate finds. They are make of thinner aluminum and are not as nice in my opinion. Thanks for watching and I hope one day soon a nice kit will cross your path.
Thanks John Cheers!
A lot of the ones on eBay claim to be older kids but they are probably from the 60s and 70s. You can get them for about 20 bucks some of them go as high as 30 maybe more. You can get stainless steel ones from walmart.com for about five bucks and make your own carrying case. That's what I had before I bought my official Boy Scout ones I made a leather carrying case for it that I could snap onto my belt. It's stainless steel and pretty durable. But the pot is pretty small. I like the older ones better.
Glad to see you back out again. Does that perform any differant then your 1940's kit? I have newer ones, they are seasoned and seem to do real well. Thanks for sharing
Monica Jones well, the 1940s steel kit is a bit heavier. Probably almost double the weight. But it has that steel skillet that is super easy to season and maintain. I love that skillet. Also, I have found that I have to be careful about the tin coating on the rest of the steel kit. If you get the little pot, plate or cup too hot on the fire, the tin coating will melt off. I almost got the drinking cup too hot on one of my videos when I baked the dessert in the cup. The tin melted in a little spot on the bottom but didn’t drip off. I think it was because there was no water left in the cup as it finished baking and that allowed it to get too hot. But other than that, it’s a nice kit. I was thinking about combining the steel skillet with the aluminum components from this kit. Then I would have the best of both.
I had a boy scout mess tin just like that in the seventies.
The OUTSIDER Having one like this one, you were a lot better equipped than your fellow Scouts that had the Regal kit of the day. Thanks for watching and for your comment!
I have a very similar kit but with an aluminum handle (still tippy on a stove). It has no manufacture markings and the only Boy Scout imprint is on the handle to the fry pan. The handle tab on the fry pan has only 2 rivets as does the "handle hook" on the opposite side. The cloth cover has a bright brass snap with the Scout logo and is edged with a twill tape. Other than those differences it is Identical to yours. I would like to place a period on it, but so far haven't and was hoping you could provide some clues. Wish people followed these kits historically like some do with military canteen cups and the like. Yes those Rangers looked like maybe breakfast bars didn't do it.
Thanks for your time and effort
Rich isme Just by reading your description, I wonder if your kit is one from right after WW2 when they resumed making aluminum kits. The reason I say this is your aluminum handle on the frypan. As far as I know, all kits were made of aluminum with steel handles on the fry pan, the drinking cup, and the pot up until WW2. Mirro started making the kit in 1940. By what I have seen it was a lighter gauge aluminum than the Wearever. Then during the war (42-45) the kits were made of steel during the rationing of aluminum. I don’t know who made those steel kits. Afterwards (1946), kits resumed being made from aluminum. And it wasn’t long after the war that they began making the kit fry pans with a lip for the handle to lock onto instead of the riveted handle locking bracket. I wonder if yours falls into that time period between 1946 and when they changed the fry pan. I don’t have an example to compare to yours. I think the key is finding a picture in one of the ads of one like yours with the two rivets on the fry pan handle bracket (if one exists) That is unusual to me.
I just went to boyslife.org/wayback and found your answer. If you find the ad for scouting equipment in the Dec 1945 edition, you will see that the fry pan has 3 rivets. This is when they re-introduce the aluminum kit #1200. If you then go to Dec 1946 to the scout equipment ad, you see the fry pan has two rivets only. I don’t know how long they advertise that kit until it changes to the “lipped” fry pan version but that would date your kit.
@@John-Sherwood-W4JFS, The Dec 1946 one is right on the mark. Thanks. Looks like that model continued until Jun 48 (possibly Aug 48, but the picture isn't very clear). The set in the Sep 48 issue is definitely the new style with the recessed rim in the fry pan, long ridge on the handle as well as a small hole near the back of the handle. So I guess the change over was about mid 1948. I forgot to mention my cup has an aluminium handle. I am not sure I should thank-you for pointing me to "wayback" ;o).
Excellent video and demo, looks like an amazing little kit thats very well thought out. Looks like the handle balance problem would be annoying but you could always replace it with aluminium if it gets too much. +1 and a subscribe, great job
Alessio Yautja thank you very much! It is a great little kit. These older ones like this one are built very nice with thick gauge aluminum. But even if the handle was aluminum, the skillet will still fall off if it is empty. It’s just the way it’s made. You would have to prop it up or fold the handle like I did. Even with that fault, I still think it’s a great piece of kit. Thanks for watching and for your comment!
Well the handle has holes in both ends. You can use it the way he did. And stick a stick through the holes and have a wooden handle.
@@John-Sherwood-W4JFS the kid I have won't fall off empty. I just tried setting it on a soda can with the pull tab removed. It would not fit perfectly in the middle but it would sit on there push forward toward the handle a little ways. But I think my handle is aluminum it may have been replaced. I usually set it on either a grill, or metal tent Stakes which I can pull coals in to. Coal's don't leave nearly as much put on the bottom of your pan as an open flame
@@captainfragger6295 I think you're on the right track. I wondered about a forked stick stuck in the ground for a kick stand, or two forked sticks and a spit run through the folded handle. This could also hold the pan off of the fire to help manage heat/stuck eggs.
Good camping.
JMF
Love the vid but next time try the grits with butter and sugar,,keep stirring!
That was his problem with the eggs too... first it's easier to cook fried they don't steak is bad. Scrambled eggs absorb all the oil. And if you don't stir them a lot they stick like crazy. They're going to stick a little anyway
John, loved your info and video. I have two kits like this that has Korea stamped on them. Do you know anything about the Korea ones? Which came first - USA or Korea? Mine don't have the Boy Scout insignia stamped on them - or the WearEver imprint.
Sarah Robinson I’m not 100% sure but I believe the BSA kit came first. The patent date was from 1915. I also believe the Korean kits probably came to the US in the 1960s or 1970s. But I don’t have anything to back that up. It’s just a guess. I’m not sure where to find that information. Maybe old department store catalogs or sales papers that didn’t sell BSA stuff. Thanks for your question and thanks for watching!
Later one's came with plastic cubs
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You laughed at those kids with their cold cereal bars, while you and brother-in-law ate a hot cooked meal in front of them?
Yes. They are part of our scout group and we had been trying to teach them to not always choose the easy breakfast of cereal bars and pop tarts but put in a little more work and make a hot breakfast. They chose the easy way and me and my brother in law were rubbing it in a little bit. I hope because of this lesson they will choose to plan and put in a little more work to better their camp cooking and woodsman skills.
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Once I bought kit like that from flea market. It was more flimsy and smaller. Totally useless crap. No any stamp on it. Maybe chinese? Drinking cup was made of PE-plastic. Sixties?
Jari Kinnunen could be Chinese. A far as I know, the BSA ones were all stamped. But I have found that even the newer BSA ones were made very cheap too. I have a mess kit that I acquired in a deal with other stuff I wanted that is marked BSA and is in a red nylon bag that is crap just like you described. I’ll never use it or even feel good about just giving it to someone else. The kits without the rolled rim on the skillet are some of the best ones.
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@@John-Sherwood-W4JFS I've seen those red bag ones on eBay and some with red plaid. I think some of those were for Girl Scouts Work Camp Fire girls even though they claim they were for Boy Scouts. In any event it's all newer stuff I'm pretty sure they'll have rainbow covers before too long with the word pride across it instead of Scouts
@@John-Sherwood-W4JFS Save for a pet food dish, and the pot for a water bowl? Since I have yet to take my new-to-me little dog camping, I might try this myself this summer.
...I'm the sort to only trash something if I can't wring any possible use out of it.