Drone with fibre can be used as a communication hub to other drones, thus reducing the possibility of FPV drone launch location, since fibre drone appears to be a moving launch/control Site....also, other drones should be using laser communication to the fibre drone "mother ship"...and so on
Yes.That is the direction which eventually makes conventional war as impossible as nuclear war. Swarms of drones totally obliterate the need or usability of humans in frontline. But an unfortunate vision emerges in which robotic devices keep on fighting continuously as normal border operation. But if that does not lead to any solution then it gives humanity the needed timeout to modify DNA to be less violent and/or less power hungry i.e. more intelligent.
These appear more robust than the Russian versions. I think hey have a place for certain applications as described in the video. Using them in a supervisor role has some merit too, but overall flight time would limit that use. As for using laser communication, I don't think that adds much beside weight to support the technology and it is vulnerable to smoke and weather. Personally, I have advocated for balloon on fiber, as being a better long term persistent surveillance and supervisory control. Balloons can have a much higher lift capacity and can operate for long periods. They make no noise and can potentially add power to a hybrid tether. (both wire and fiber). But as attack drones with larger payloads, these can use larger drones and become an alternative to wire guided missiles. Fiber has the plus of no detectable RF but has some maneuverability limitations. Drones keep evolving will play a role on the battlefield for a long time to come.
Makes me wonder why they're using expensive and heavier fiber instead of the super thin metal wire of those systems... Does the TOW use high voltage due to range, and that's the perhaps the limiting factor here?
@@DUKE_of_RAMBLE maybe the procurement of the super thin fiber escalates in price for those kinds of systems, idk maybe im misinformed but considering it is a jerry rig device the fiber drones, could be an educated guess
@@Varko-Farsight I think you've misunderstood what I had said. The "super thin" communication method TOW system uses are provided by two *_copper wires_* with a diameter of 0.01 inches [0.25mm], not thin fiber optic. My thought was that the fiber they're hand, along with its additional outer sleeving, might weigh more than that copper wire, since I suspect they are running very long distances where that much copper WOULD become heavy. However, the light pulses that fiber optic system uses do not require any significant power source. Lasers, after all, require very little power for systems like this. Which is why I mentioned that part at the end about the communication over wires maybe requiring a high voltage system. In a TOW missile, that would be supplied by the launching system; however, in this application it would be a mothership drone with a finite power system, so the extra power draw AND additional power supply would be at a premium.
I think the problem of drone jammers could be solved, at least temporarily, by programming the drone to home on the jammer's signal, after losing user control.
I don't think you're as familiar with what pie in the sky fantasy is, as you imagine. Unless the jammer damages the circuitry of the device, it's merely a stronger radio signal containing no control information, than the actual control signal. All one must do is program the drone to activate an automated pattern to triangulate on the jammer's location. It could then proceed to target, or retreat back to operational signal range, and relay the coordinates of the jammer. I don't think you thought it through, at all, other than to dismiss the idea. your comment stinks of Moscow
@@philosothink There is no "programming the drone to triangulate" anything. This is pie-in-the-sky thinking from those who don't understand software, electronics, RF or rudimentary physics.
Yes they can, Philo, this 80's technology. The AGM-88 HARM (High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile) would be one example of this technology being used. A continuation of the tactics used with this technology is the use of Wild Weasels. In this case manned aircraft that purposely fly near SAM sites to get them to track them with their RADARs and then fire HARM's at the RADARs to destroy them.
@@Matthews_Resume We're talking about small drones that need to cost a few thousand dollars tops, pops. A HARM needs a quad spiral antenna with a Luneburg lens and for these frequencies (350-1050MHz) it would have to be well over a foot in diameter and weigh more than 10 lbs. Good luck putting that on a battery powered drone.
If the spool is with the drone it leaves a trail of fibre. If the spool was left at base, the drone would need to pull the the entire line with it. It wouldn't work
Jon, that is a valid concern. The cable has legitimate weight. The cable would cause troubles during flight due to aerodynamics, wind shear, the weight of the cable. For something of comparison, think of TOW missiles and launchers and the advantages and disadvantages they posses.
@@pl9372 this is the exact process that has me wondering. I agree with your statement yet the force should technically be the same either way, no? Whether it is pulling or being pulled upon, the spool has to unveil somehow. 🤔🤔🤔
@@Matthews_Resume agreed, I know there are other equations that have an effect on the process or the TOW wouldn't have a spool on board either but it does, so.. Stil.. it racks my brain 😂
I wonder if the drones could carry several other drones from that one extending the range. Or be able to deploy common FPV attack drones so that the launching site would be null in void. I mean you literally could change positions in seconds with the other drones being dropped or deployed from it.
The real gamechanger will be the ability for drones to be locked onto a target, then auto-track and home in on the target. At that point jamming ceases to matter. All the hardware is there - someone should code new software for the drones. Or at least for one type of drones...
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They are in development, and Ukraine has some that are being tested on the battlefield. This fibre optics system is just a cheap way to launch short-range drones that are resistant to electronic countermeasures.
Is it not possible to link 2 or 3 drones optically and implement interferometry using multiple antennas? 1 unit then could be assigned to electronics while the other(s) manage carrying an explosive workload, and/or yet another unit/antenna acting as decoy.
I can think of a dozen super cheap and simple ways to drastically limit the efficacy of a drone being flown by wire. Trees, bushes, clotheslines, buildings, electrical wires and poles, netting…
I spy a crossfire module on that Radiomaster. This system isn't 100% hardwired. I assume it's running 25mW or lowest power setting. I also see rabbit ears on the little display.
A cable for two way communication and power would need to be made of copper and be quite thick to run a drone. Probably as thick as a common USB cable at minimum. The fibre optic cable seen in this video looks almost hair thin and is made of materials that are much lighter than copper. 20km of power cable would probably weight dozens or even hundreds of kilograms.
@@2MeterLP I did a quick google and .5mm copper wire at 57m is 100g. so yeah just that would be 35 odd kg @ 20km. However the benefit of live power would be you could run bigger motors and more importantly, indefinitely. Might be situations where that trade off is worth it? ie long range recon for a sustained period or maybe even being powered it could launch fully charged 'last mile' drones with a pre-programmed target (making it jam proof) etc
The longer the cable, the more power you loose/gets bled off. Something like a graphene battery that can regenerate power through vibrations could possibly be a better solution.
In WWI?? Show me a source. Did you watch the video? In video it was explained that Ukrainian produced fiber optic drones were put into service recently.
@@weecious in ww2, yes they had wired guided drones with explosives, and also experimented with wireless (with video transmission), example Radioplane OQ-2, Goliath tracked mine, etc
It reminds me of the 53 cm Torpedos which WE used during training against moving real military vessels. They are wired lenkt Torpedos and we could steer the torpedo several times underneath a target. The Russian navy tried to steal our cigars but we were always not far away as we recovered our cigars. 😁🇸🇪🇫🇮🇺🇦🇫🇮🇸🇪
You mentioned how they can trace back the operator. Is that by tracing where the drone launch from (where it first appeared on radar)? Had this thought - launch them in quiet mode (no broadcast) on some random path, and go live after after a minute or so after it's in the air, or after a signal to go live, so it just appears already in the air on the spectrum? That could retrofit to conventional drones.
I suspect it's due to them tapping into the video signal transmitted from the drone and/or coordinates transmitted by the drone. I'm sure if there was an easy solution they would have done it.
The problem is not the signal sent by the drone, but the signal sent by the operator. It is easy to triangulate radio emissions. As long as the operator sends the signal neccesary to control the drone, he is easy to find. There are even missiles that lock onto emission sources, though those are used against radar stations.
Mike, it is the radio signals being sent to and from the operators and drones. 2MeterLP, has the situation already covered so I will be brief. Every object that emits a radio frequency can be traced. Your car's key FOB. your iPhone, your iPhone's Bluetooth connection to your earpiece, to these miraculous drones flying over New Jersey, all produce frequencies that are easily "seen" using basic electronic equipment: think of an Oscilloscope (O-scope) and a direction finder for example. You would have a harder time finding an open Radio Shack to buy the equipment than you would tracing these signals back to their sources. In relation to this article, these fiber optic drones could launch and not give off an electromagnetic signal and subsequently could launch the more conventional FPV drones without giving away the launchers position. Though for every moment the FPV operators are sending commands to the drones they "shine" a radio frequency "spotlight" from the controller's position to the drone they are controlling.
Here's another thought. As an alternative to having a fiber optic link to the killer drone, use a drone as a transceiver for the operator, and the fiber optic link to that drone instead. And have that transceiver drone flying around in the wide area around the operator! At least the opeartor is safer in that case. The killer drone is still traceable though, since it's still in broadcast. Seems also like another alternative to having the extra weight and payload of the fiber for the killer drone to carry around, you could replace that with directional antenna tech, and keep the broadcast from the killer drone only in your wide general direction.
This is a step backwards, not forwards. First off, if you are going to use a cable, it should provide power and communication. For example something like project "makani" but much small could provide not just the essential unjammed ISR, but also essential power generation needs/requirements for serving the winter. If the drones and controller used an array of different light sources like UV for communication, you could get around the jamming issue without the drawbacks of a cable. It doesn't have to be UV, just any wavelength of light that's invisible to the human eye and most russian sensors aren't looking for. Then the only challenge is utilizing an encrypted communication protocol between the drone, any relays or the operator.
What? This counters the current jamming issue that impacts every single drone team in the entire war. And how exactly do you intend on making your 7" FPV carry the weight of 20km of powered cable (.5mm of copper at 20km is about 35kg) without completely destroying the payload capacity? If these drones need UV for communication, they require line of sight, which is a no-go in all sorts of situations. Powered cable is also much, much more visible to the naked eye than fiber optic, meaning it'll be a lot easier to track back to the launch site. " just any wavelength of light that's invisible to the human eye and most russian sensors aren't looking for." Russians already have UV intensifiers, as an example, but if you make anything that works on any wavelength whatsoever that sensors already exist for, Russians are just going to buy and start using those particular sensors.
Too much voltage drop. For a given current in the cable, Power(loss) = I^2 * R. So power loss is directly proportional to resistance (and also to current squared).
Drones with up to 20 kilometres of fiber-optic conductor. This reminds me of an alien invasion in 1953, H.G.Wells' The War of the Worlds. 🐾 _Montréal 🇨🇦_
Why is the spool on the drone, thereby reducing its carrying capacity, instead of on the ground? Have they ever considered using PoF to supply energy to the drone using the fibre, so the drone wouldn't even have to carry a battery?
@OMNI_INFINITY Power over Fiber. You transmit light (works in parallel to the data signal by using different wavelengths) and capture it with something similar to a photovoltaics module, but much more efficient due to being optimized for a specific wavelength. This way, you can provide electrical energy to the drone without an electrical connection.
@@EliasProbst Thanks for explaining👍🏻Honestly surprised fiber optic cable is durable enough for those drones without snapping. Guess it's a straight or mildly curved line generally though.
Wonder how many of anti tank and anti-personal grenade deploying drones could fit in a 120mm tank shell or a missile the size of an AGM-65 for deploying drone swarms.
2,5 KG of added weight is much easier than dragging 10 miles of cable over terrain. It has nothing to do with weight, it has everything to do with friction and tangling.
Here's an idea for you. The Black Widow Drone Interceptor.Trademark ™️ It fly's up to enemy drones and releases braided fishing line ( light to carry) and that tangles up the enemy drones propeller. Then , just attach a razor blade to cut the line, and call the drone back home to be fitted with another lead weight. Or, have multiple spools of braided fishing line. The Black Widow Drone Trademark ™️. I hope to see videos of it, in action, soon.
most sports companies give their latest and greatest gear to their athletes and after they win the races they announce the product the next year for the rest to buy it and have the same advantage... but here they announce to the world their progress while giving time for the enemy to be prepared... i know... i know... my logic has a flaw somewhere between the lines but still...😅
That's why its stupid how the news keeps covering the war with details that threaten OPSEC. If they had STFU about the planned counter-offensive, maybe Russia wouldn't have dug in and mined the shit out of the region. Loose lips sink ships media.
What would happen if the fiber optic cord was cut or damaged during the flight? Would the operator still have some control or would it just fall to the ground and explode? If they simply fall out of the air and explode it seems what you need is a barrier. If they still have control after its damaged I have no answer. However I do know from experience working with Fiber optic cable that it is fragile. So if a vehicle was to damage the wire before the drone reached the vehicle it could escape. In Africa someone invented a car that had flamethrowers on it that shot up and out at a range of like 8 feet. To prevent people from car jacking the owners while there was a huge wave of violet carjackings, and kidnappings for ransom. Is how this came to be invented. So what if you were able to equip a similar type system that could shoot a flame out 3 to 4 yard range. Remember the funnies from World War 2. It might sound stupid but it just might be something to take out a drone hardwired with fiber optics. Have a AI operated rear sensor to watch for unfriendly targets and engage a shotgun type round at it or have a small minigun from the top of the vehicle tied into the vehicles power source. Manual targeting if it had a proximity detector for electric singles. I am not sure if they do or not. I am not a engineer.
Yes they would loose control of the drone but let's see in the future because they have also made drones wich when jammed they find the target themself. A combination would be epic.
Miniguns are heavy, EMP generator big enough to be effective would prob weigh the same as one but have more accuracy and effectiveness. A stripped down gun with explosive ordinance would/could prob be better, something like the XM25.
gosh dang it i wish i weren't so damn poor i would send in some money for these guys but i've got like 8 dollars in the bank right now and need every penny shit!!! this has got to last me until dec 25 when i get my next social security check
This is a simple, established method of being impervious and invisible to Russian electronic warfare defence systems! For ordinary Kamikaze Drones it would be highly beneficial to develop electric motors with a life of around 45 minutes, because fitting Kamikaze Drones with motors rated to 1200+ hours is a ludicrous waste of money and resources! Kamikaze Drones typically fly for between 20 to 30 minutes, so having motors rated to 45 minutes or even an hour would work well and be easier, faster and cheaper to produce. The same thought process may be applied to every part of the Kamikaze Drone, because it would save huge amounts of resources and money if airframes, rotors, etc, were all manufactured for the life expectancy of the these very short lived Drones!
Planned obsolescence. Of course, but the rate of failure would increase significantly. But your point is valid: determine the strict minimal specs requited to accomplish most if not all missions, add a 70% to 150% security margin, test extensively, produce at very limited cost... but I urge you to not be confused by experimental drones, which have to fly for hundreds of hours to accomplish proof of concept.
@PandemoniumMeltDown No confusion at all. I recall an interview with Ukrainian military personnel, and one said that the electric motors they're fitting on to their Kamikaze Drones are rated to at least 1200 hours, whereas the Kamikaze Drone itself had a life expectancy of around 20 to 30 minutes! He mentioned the huge waste and expense of a 1200 hour motor never living more than 40 minutes maximum on a Kamikaze Drone! The motors I refer to are soley for use on Kamikaze Drones, so even if the motor was safety rated to 2.5 to 3 hours, it would still be perfect for its Kamikaze Drone application, whilst having a noticeable cost saving. Motors rated to 3 hours would also be manufactured much faster than those rated to 1200 hours and be lighter in weight, but most of all they would be considerably less costly! A motor that's faster to build, using fewer materials, weighing less and costing considerably less than those currently being used has immense appeal. Surely a Chinese manufacturer of electric motors of this type could be given the specifications of a motor intended for use on Kamikaze Drones and they'd produce them by the gazillion, for pennies...
@@markmitchell457 Which makes reeling back the cable all the more strategically intelligent, environmentally necessary and economically clever. Oz, The fiber can be reeled back, tested for db loss and damages, repaired according to well established standards, re-certified if required, put right back into service. Optical fiber is a lovely thing.
small drone with cutting blade, driven by the sound cut the fiber. then rocket with spool rewinder with no weight disavantage can go directly to the weak mind. Just good for antenna relay and make money. war is money first
Everything important comes from China. CPU, Battery, Magnets/Motors, optical fibre cable etc. Without China supplying both sides this war would be over quickly. Printing the low tech plastic frame and props make it a 50% UA product is wish full thinking.
Again with that "game changer" term. There is not such thing in the conflict. The system has many cons and the Russians started to use it much earlier, to called it a "game changer".
It's only supposed to be used in situations where they need to take out electronic countermeasures. Then they can deploy standard drones. It's the right tool for the job. What other solution would you propose to counteract jamming?
Russia reads everyone of your emails including what you think is encrypted chat, don't you think they're well aware of what Ukraine is doing right at their doorstep?
A bit reverse commenting. The point of the video is not a "need to let Muscovy know anything" they already know; it's to make supporters know what is being done. Now, if you want to project incompetence, treason, mindless publication of state secrets... that is on you. You are talking to the mirror. Ukraine never does anything inconsiderate, you'd know if you cared even a little. Pay attention, or keep shilling for the enemy, your choice, your consequences.
Russia has already had such drones in service for several months. Ukrainians, by the way, are also good, but not even half of them can do what Russians do.
Are you really sur of what you say !!?? You joke or you are serious ?? Or is it propaganda russia !!?? I'm french and televisions says ukrainien drones exploded all old Putin russian tanks : at least 9473 approuved in open source with proof location and photos. Russian drones haven't so professionnal geeks in informatique to drive and manipulate with high precision...!!
LMFAO, okay comrade. Yeah Ukies don't have the same population to endlessly send in medieval age meatwave attacks. Seems like Ukraine can do more given what they've shown and how Putin is too stupid and incompetent to unfuck his own has-been country with the resources he had during all the years he's been president, so now hes desperate to not look like a failure and it totally backfired. A smart man would have recognized this years ago, Czar numb-nuts just keeps digging thinking magic will save him.
this isn't new or unique even russia is using fiber optic cables. And before that both sides are using wired guided missiles. the cable for the drones is a good idea but nothing special
How warfare has changed? Posting videos on here to show the World what tech you have and what it can do? Some things are best kept quiet, like the element of surprise? Utter dog toffee!
Ukrainian supportive people think this is new innovation from ukraine .. sadly this fiber opptic drone copy from russian side. 😂 serch this keywords in youtube"vendal fpv"..
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Where can we support manufacturing these drones with donations?
Drone with fibre can be used as a communication hub to other drones, thus reducing the possibility of FPV drone launch location, since fibre drone appears to be a moving launch/control Site....also, other drones should be using laser communication to the fibre drone "mother ship"...and so on
Yes.That is the direction which eventually makes conventional war as impossible as nuclear war. Swarms of drones totally obliterate the need or usability of humans in frontline. But an unfortunate vision emerges in which robotic devices keep on fighting continuously as normal border operation. But if that does not lead to any solution then it gives humanity the needed timeout to modify DNA to be less violent and/or less power hungry i.e. more intelligent.
These appear more robust than the Russian versions. I think hey have a place for certain applications as described in the video. Using them in a supervisor role has some merit too, but overall flight time would limit that use.
As for using laser communication, I don't think that adds much beside weight to support the technology and it is vulnerable to smoke and weather.
Personally, I have advocated for balloon on fiber, as being a better long term persistent surveillance and supervisory control. Balloons can have a much higher lift capacity and can operate for long periods. They make no noise and can potentially add power to a hybrid tether. (both wire and fiber).
But as attack drones with larger payloads, these can use larger drones and become an alternative to wire guided missiles. Fiber has the plus of no detectable RF but has some maneuverability limitations.
Drones keep evolving will play a role on the battlefield for a long time to come.
The way they have the fiber mounted means there’s no loss in maneuverability. Just very minor thrust loss but these things have 14-1 tw
Why the spool can't b ok n the ground?
Why the spool can't b ok n the ground?
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Reminds me of the TOW wired guided missles
yeap, but cheaper.
Makes me wonder why they're using expensive and heavier fiber instead of the super thin metal wire of those systems...
Does the TOW use high voltage due to range, and that's the perhaps the limiting factor here?
@@DUKE_of_RAMBLE maybe the procurement of the super thin fiber escalates in price for those kinds of systems, idk maybe im misinformed but considering it is a jerry rig device the fiber drones, could be an educated guess
@@Varko-Farsight I think you've misunderstood what I had said. The "super thin" communication method TOW system uses are provided by two *_copper wires_* with a diameter of 0.01 inches [0.25mm], not thin fiber optic.
My thought was that the fiber they're hand, along with its additional outer sleeving, might weigh more than that copper wire, since I suspect they are running very long distances where that much copper WOULD become heavy.
However, the light pulses that fiber optic system uses do not require any significant power source. Lasers, after all, require very little power for systems like this. Which is why I mentioned that part at the end about the communication over wires maybe requiring a high voltage system. In a TOW missile, that would be supplied by the launching system; however, in this application it would be a mothership drone with a finite power system, so the extra power draw AND additional power supply would be at a premium.
I hope it’s ready soon.
Usual rule: if they Show you Military tech on yt then it has been around for quite some time
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I think the problem of drone jammers could be solved, at least temporarily, by programming the drone to home on the jammer's signal, after losing user control.
"programming a drone to home on jammer's signal" is pie-in-the-sky fantasy. Ask an engineer what that would take.
I don't think you're as familiar with what pie in the sky fantasy is, as you imagine.
Unless the jammer damages the circuitry of the device, it's merely a stronger radio signal containing no control information, than the actual control signal.
All one must do is program the drone to activate an automated pattern to triangulate on the jammer's location. It could then proceed to target, or retreat back to operational signal range, and relay the coordinates of the jammer.
I don't think you thought it through, at all, other than to dismiss the idea.
your comment stinks of Moscow
@@philosothink There is no "programming the drone to triangulate" anything. This is pie-in-the-sky thinking from those who don't understand software, electronics, RF or rudimentary physics.
Yes they can, Philo, this 80's technology. The AGM-88 HARM (High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile) would be one example of this technology being used. A continuation of the tactics used with this technology is the use of Wild Weasels. In this case manned aircraft that purposely fly near SAM sites to get them to track them with their RADARs and then fire HARM's at the RADARs to destroy them.
@@Matthews_Resume We're talking about small drones that need to cost a few thousand dollars tops, pops.
A HARM needs a quad spiral antenna with a Luneburg lens and for these frequencies (350-1050MHz) it would have to be well over a foot in diameter and weigh more than 10 lbs. Good luck putting that on a battery powered drone.
Brings new meaning to fly-by-wire
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I wonder what is the limitation that prevents the wire spool from remaining on the ground thus increasing the payload of the actual drone.
If the spool is with the drone it leaves a trail of fibre. If the spool was left at base, the drone would need to pull the the entire line with it. It wouldn't work
Jon, that is a valid concern. The cable has legitimate weight. The cable would cause troubles during flight due to aerodynamics, wind shear, the weight of the cable. For something of comparison, think of TOW missiles and launchers and the advantages and disadvantages they posses.
@@pl9372 this is the exact process that has me wondering. I agree with your statement yet the force should technically be the same either way, no? Whether it is pulling or being pulled upon, the spool has to unveil somehow. 🤔🤔🤔
@@Matthews_Resume agreed, I know there are other equations that have an effect on the process or the TOW wouldn't have a spool on board either but it does, so..
Stil.. it racks my brain 😂
Sharp obstacles. This way, the fibre lays down and stays still. If spool left at base it is pulled along and risks breaking
That's definitely a One-Way Drone. Is there ever a reason to bring one like that back home?
Most are geared to one way, one time use, with the exceptions of the really large Babba-Yaga still drones with multiple weapons.
You can cut the wire and bring it back
You mean like the ones Russia has been using for months?
Yeah, about time Ukraine catches up lol
Brilliant report, thank you.
I have to hand it to Putin, he expanded NATO and built one hell of a Ukrainian military.
"The Rare, Bird Squadron". I like that. Like a Phoenix rising from the center of a Trident.
I wonder if the drones could carry several other drones from that one extending the range. Or be able to deploy common FPV attack drones so that the launching site would be null in void. I mean you literally could change positions in seconds with the other drones being dropped or deployed from it.
They already do both with a large drone carrying smaller drones and their Sea baby carrying up to eight drones on the water.
@migsvensurfing6310 Like the Dovbush T10 mothership drone drone-carrier/ repeater/spy drone?
"Three months ago, this technology didn't exist in Ukraine." Putin should never have messed with these people. In fact, nobody should.
extension cord technology has been around for a long time.
@@wadestantonsheep will believe anything
Russians have been using wire guide drones for months 😂
Russia did this first, several months ago.. Just FYI
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Those drones have been invented by Russia.
What game changer you talking about?
Great, it's the Com wire problem all over again ...gonna get in EVERY track vehicle...good luck with that
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Use chirped spread spectrum, but with a faster hop rate.
Didn't Russia introduce this months ago?
Yes, although most western only watch propaganda so they are unaware of this fact.
Russians been using these for what, half a year almost?
Indeed they have, but western only watch propaganda pieces so they are unaware of this fact
The real gamechanger will be the ability for drones to be locked onto a target, then auto-track and home in on the target. At that point jamming ceases to matter.
All the hardware is there - someone should code new software for the drones. Or at least for one type of drones...
They are in development, and Ukraine has some that are being tested on the battlefield. This fibre optics system is just a cheap way to launch short-range drones that are resistant to electronic countermeasures.
already happening
Russia is also developing these. So, they shall see.
@pauljefferies9087 Maybe Russia should have deployed them to Syria.
Makes no sense if they can’t operate how are they going to do this
Necessarity is the mother of invention
Is it not possible to link 2 or 3 drones optically and implement interferometry using multiple antennas? 1 unit then could be assigned to electronics while the other(s) manage carrying an explosive workload, and/or yet another unit/antenna acting as decoy.
I can think of a dozen super cheap and simple ways to drastically limit the efficacy of a drone being flown by wire. Trees, bushes, clotheslines, buildings, electrical wires and poles, netting…
I spy a crossfire module on that Radiomaster. This system isn't 100% hardwired. I assume it's running 25mW or lowest power setting. I also see rabbit ears on the little display.
You can just use FHSS
If you have a cable for communication, why not for power? The minimal added bulk (esp when removing the battery) would surely be worth it?
A cable for two way communication and power would need to be made of copper and be quite thick to run a drone. Probably as thick as a common USB cable at minimum. The fibre optic cable seen in this video looks almost hair thin and is made of materials that are much lighter than copper. 20km of power cable would probably weight dozens or even hundreds of kilograms.
@@2MeterLP I did a quick google and .5mm copper wire at 57m is 100g. so yeah just that would be 35 odd kg @ 20km. However the benefit of live power would be you could run bigger motors and more importantly, indefinitely. Might be situations where that trade off is worth it? ie long range recon for a sustained period or maybe even being powered it could launch fully charged 'last mile' drones with a pre-programmed target (making it jam proof) etc
Probably no longer transparent to electromagnetic warfare.. and incredibly heavy.
The longer the cable, the more power you loose/gets bled off. Something like a graphene battery that can regenerate power through vibrations could possibly be a better solution.
not new, they had wired drones in WW2 and fiber optic drones have been in use since for many years
In WWI?? Show me a source. Did you watch the video? In video it was explained that Ukrainian produced fiber optic drones were put into service recently.
@@weecious in ww2, yes they had wired guided drones with explosives, and also experimented with wireless (with video transmission), example Radioplane OQ-2, Goliath tracked mine, etc
Drone version of the classic Wire-Guided Missile. Evolving and Adapting, rest of the world will start hiring Ukraine military engineers soon.
war war never changes...reminds me of the vary first war drones
Leave the spool at takeoff spot or near drone operator. You can get thousands of uses out of spool and saves weight allowing drones more capacity.
I wondered also why the spool can't be placed with the operator? There must be a reason though these people know what they are doing.
@@davehurst3136 As it gets longer, it becomes increasingly harder to drag all that cable, I guess.
It reminds me of the 53 cm Torpedos which WE used during training against moving real military vessels. They are wired lenkt Torpedos and we could steer the torpedo several times underneath a target. The Russian navy tried to steal our cigars but we were always not far away as we recovered our cigars. 😁🇸🇪🇫🇮🇺🇦🇫🇮🇸🇪
Stupid question but why can’t regular wires do the work? Are they too heavy? Do they emit radio signals or are the communications just too slow?
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You mentioned how they can trace back the operator. Is that by tracing where the drone launch from (where it first appeared on radar)? Had this thought - launch them in quiet mode (no broadcast) on some random path, and go live after after a minute or so after it's in the air, or after a signal to go live, so it just appears already in the air on the spectrum? That could retrofit to conventional drones.
I suspect it's due to them tapping into the video signal transmitted from the drone and/or coordinates transmitted by the drone. I'm sure if there was an easy solution they would have done it.
The problem is not the signal sent by the drone, but the signal sent by the operator. It is easy to triangulate radio emissions. As long as the operator sends the signal neccesary to control the drone, he is easy to find. There are even missiles that lock onto emission sources, though those are used against radar stations.
Mike, it is the radio signals being sent to and from the operators and drones. 2MeterLP, has the situation already covered so I will be brief.
Every object that emits a radio frequency can be traced. Your car's key FOB. your iPhone, your iPhone's Bluetooth connection to your earpiece, to these miraculous drones flying over New Jersey, all produce frequencies that are easily "seen" using basic electronic equipment: think of an Oscilloscope (O-scope) and a direction finder for example. You would have a harder time finding an open Radio Shack to buy the equipment than you would tracing these signals back to their sources.
In relation to this article, these fiber optic drones could launch and not give off an electromagnetic signal and subsequently could launch the more conventional FPV drones without giving away the launchers position. Though for every moment the FPV operators are sending commands to the drones they "shine" a radio frequency "spotlight" from the controller's position to the drone they are controlling.
Here's another thought. As an alternative to having a fiber optic link to the killer drone, use a drone as a transceiver for the operator, and the fiber optic link to that drone instead. And have that transceiver drone flying around in the wide area around the operator! At least the opeartor is safer in that case. The killer drone is still traceable though, since it's still in broadcast.
Seems also like another alternative to having the extra weight and payload of the fiber for the killer drone to carry around, you could replace that with directional antenna tech, and keep the broadcast from the killer drone only in your wide general direction.
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This is a step backwards, not forwards.
First off, if you are going to use a cable, it should provide power and communication. For example something like project "makani" but much small could provide not just the essential unjammed ISR, but also essential power generation needs/requirements for serving the winter.
If the drones and controller used an array of different light sources like UV for communication, you could get around the jamming issue without the drawbacks of a cable.
It doesn't have to be UV, just any wavelength of light that's invisible to the human eye and most russian sensors aren't looking for.
Then the only challenge is utilizing an encrypted communication protocol between the drone, any relays or the operator.
What? This counters the current jamming issue that impacts every single drone team in the entire war. And how exactly do you intend on making your 7" FPV carry the weight of 20km of powered cable (.5mm of copper at 20km is about 35kg) without completely destroying the payload capacity? If these drones need UV for communication, they require line of sight, which is a no-go in all sorts of situations. Powered cable is also much, much more visible to the naked eye than fiber optic, meaning it'll be a lot easier to track back to the launch site.
" just any wavelength of light that's invisible to the human eye and most russian sensors aren't looking for."
Russians already have UV intensifiers, as an example, but if you make anything that works on any wavelength whatsoever that sensors already exist for, Russians are just going to buy and start using those particular sensors.
Possible to drop the heavy battery and employ PoF (power over fiber)?
Add + and - and dump the battery
That would require copper cables, which are much heavier. 20km of power cable is most likely much heavier than the battery.
Too much voltage drop. For a given current in the cable, Power(loss) = I^2 * R. So power loss is directly proportional to resistance (and also to current squared).
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Drones with up to 20 kilometres of fiber-optic conductor.
This reminds me of an alien invasion in 1953, H.G.Wells' The War of the Worlds.
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Why must the spool be aboard the drone and not held on the ground near the operator?
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Why is the spool on the drone, thereby reducing its carrying capacity, instead of on the ground?
Have they ever considered using PoF to supply energy to the drone using the fibre, so the drone wouldn't even have to carry a battery?
Wondering about the spool also.
What is POF?
@OMNI_INFINITY Power over Fiber. You transmit light (works in parallel to the data signal by using different wavelengths) and capture it with something similar to a photovoltaics module, but much more efficient due to being optimized for a specific wavelength.
This way, you can provide electrical energy to the drone without an electrical connection.
@@EliasProbst Thanks for explaining👍🏻Honestly surprised fiber optic cable is durable enough for those drones without snapping. Guess it's a straight or mildly curved line generally though.
Everyone is like, "Glory to Ukraine" see what happens when you push a man into a corner with his finger on a button!!!!!
46 mins of flight while carrying 5.5KG of payload that's efficient... 600KV motors and I'm guessing 4S 2P bats?
6S with a lot in parallel
Why place this pool on the drone instead of keeping it on the ground near the operator?
At this point counties should just battle each other on official video game battle spaces where the losses are only digital and hurt pride
Wonder how many of anti tank and anti-personal grenade deploying drones could fit in a 120mm tank shell or a missile the size of an AGM-65 for deploying drone swarms.
Seems like dude just used fiber optic transmitter for CCTV. New technology lol
If the spool was on the ground with the launch team, it would save weight on the drone. The drone only needs to be tethered to the spool.
2,5 KG of added weight is much easier than dragging 10 miles of cable over terrain. It has nothing to do with weight, it has everything to do with friction and tangling.
Need to daisy-chain drones to get farther distance.
Daisy chaining drones would mean a single link in the chain breaking destroys that entire chain of drones.
A us marine designed ukraines fiber optic drone. Its way cheaper than the russian version.
KEEP YOUR INFORMATION PRIVATE. Do you know who's WATCHING. YOUR AT WAR!!!!!
If you really understand warfare, you should know that certain information at certain times is an instrument of warfare.
Private? Russians have used this tech for ages mate
Russia has been using these for ages, about time Ukraine figures it out
this is not new
The first time, that I flew a drone, it hit me in the face. Now, I want a second chance.
1 - 0 drone wins 😂
Here's an idea for you. The Black Widow Drone Interceptor.Trademark ™️ It fly's up to enemy drones and releases braided fishing line ( light to carry) and that tangles up the enemy drones propeller. Then , just attach a razor blade to cut the line, and call the drone back home to be fitted with another lead weight. Or, have multiple spools of braided fishing line. The Black Widow Drone Trademark ™️. I hope to see videos of it, in action, soon.
they have tons of them but its too windy
He said it. Every single drone will leave 2kg of fibre optic line littering the entire country. Congratulations you played yourself
Yeah..
most sports companies give their latest and greatest gear to their athletes and after they win the races they announce the product the next year for the rest to buy it and have the same advantage...
but here they announce to the world their progress while giving time for the enemy to be prepared...
i know... i know... my logic has a flaw somewhere between the lines but still...😅
That's why its stupid how the news keeps covering the war with details that threaten OPSEC. If they had STFU about the planned counter-offensive, maybe Russia wouldn't have dug in and mined the shit out of the region. Loose lips sink ships media.
Russians operating these drones for 6 months. Interesting development.
What would happen if the fiber optic cord was cut or damaged during the flight? Would the operator still have some control or would it just fall to the ground and explode? If they simply fall out of the air and explode it seems what you need is a barrier. If they still have control after its damaged I have no answer. However I do know from experience working with Fiber optic cable that it is fragile. So if a vehicle was to damage the wire before the drone reached the vehicle it could escape. In Africa someone invented a car that had flamethrowers on it that shot up and out at a range of like 8 feet. To prevent people from car jacking the owners while there was a huge wave of violet carjackings, and kidnappings for ransom. Is how this came to be invented. So what if you were able to equip a similar type system that could shoot a flame out 3 to 4 yard range. Remember the funnies from World War 2. It might sound stupid but it just might be something to take out a drone hardwired with fiber optics. Have a AI operated rear sensor to watch for unfriendly targets and engage a shotgun type round at it or have a small minigun from the top of the vehicle tied into the vehicles power source. Manual targeting if it had a proximity detector for electric singles. I am not sure if they do or not. I am not a engineer.
Yes they would loose control of the drone but let's see in the future because they have also made drones wich when jammed they find the target themself. A combination would be epic.
@migsvensurfing6310 Then, AI takes over...
It might still have the return to sender software, but that could possibly reveal the location of the operator, so it's probably best not to have it.
Miniguns are heavy, EMP generator big enough to be effective would prob weigh the same as one but have more accuracy and effectiveness. A stripped down gun with explosive ordinance would/could prob be better, something like the XM25.
Looks like they have both radio and fiber optic cable probably can switch between the two fiber optic is backup when radio signal is jammed.
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Do I have this right Instead of utilizing radio waves, this drone uses light waves for communications and guidance?
Yes, through a glass cable.
@migsvensurfing6310 Ahh. Like wire-guided TOWs. Thx
@@jcdisci hmm hmm
All chinese parts
gosh dang it i wish i weren't so damn poor i would send in some money for these guys but i've got like 8 dollars in the bank right now and need every penny shit!!! this has got to last me until dec 25 when i get my next social security check
Well if your working and paying taxes your sending money weather you want to or not!!!
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Well Russia actually came up with that concept of fpv with fiber optic...
Russia has already been using these for weeks, maybe months. Ukraine only playing catch up.
This is a simple, established method of being impervious and invisible to Russian electronic warfare defence systems!
For ordinary Kamikaze Drones it would be highly beneficial to develop electric motors with a life of around 45 minutes, because fitting Kamikaze Drones with motors rated to 1200+ hours is a ludicrous waste of money and resources!
Kamikaze Drones typically fly for between 20 to 30 minutes, so having motors rated to 45 minutes or even an hour would work well and be easier, faster and cheaper to produce.
The same thought process may be applied to every part of the Kamikaze Drone, because it would save huge amounts of resources and money if airframes, rotors, etc, were all manufactured for the life expectancy of the these very short lived Drones!
Planned obsolescence. Of course, but the rate of failure would increase significantly. But your point is valid: determine the strict minimal specs requited to accomplish most if not all missions, add a 70% to 150% security margin, test extensively, produce at very limited cost... but I urge you to not be confused by experimental drones, which have to fly for hundreds of hours to accomplish proof of concept.
@PandemoniumMeltDown No confusion at all.
I recall an interview with Ukrainian military personnel, and one said that the electric motors they're fitting on to their Kamikaze Drones are rated to at least 1200 hours, whereas the Kamikaze Drone itself had a life expectancy of around 20 to 30 minutes!
He mentioned the huge waste and expense of a 1200 hour motor never living more than 40 minutes maximum on a Kamikaze Drone!
The motors I refer to are soley for use on Kamikaze Drones, so even if the motor was safety rated to 2.5 to 3 hours, it would still be perfect for its Kamikaze Drone application, whilst having a noticeable cost saving.
Motors rated to 3 hours would also be manufactured much faster than those rated to 1200 hours and be lighter in weight, but most of all they would be considerably less costly!
A motor that's faster to build, using fewer materials, weighing less and costing considerably less than those currently being used has immense appeal.
Surely a Chinese manufacturer of electric motors of this type could be given the specifications of a motor intended for use on Kamikaze Drones and they'd produce them by the gazillion, for pennies...
@@felixcat9318 I was shopping for parts! 😻 SAE AS6496... hard to have strict compliance from China nowadays...
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China is allied with Russia but selling drone chips to Ukraine? Wtf 😆
Either a blunder in operational security or misinformation.
*disinformation.
Is it possible to reel in the FO cable for re-use?
It is possible to trace it back to the point where the drone was launched. That's something.
@@markmitchell457 Which makes reeling back the cable all the more strategically intelligent, environmentally necessary and economically clever. Oz, The fiber can be reeled back, tested for db loss and damages, repaired according to well established standards, re-certified if required, put right back into service. Optical fiber is a lovely thing.
lil bro thinking about recycling a wire in an ongoing war, are you german? lol
small drone with cutting blade, driven by the sound cut the fiber. then rocket with spool rewinder with no weight disavantage can go directly to the weak mind.
Just good for antenna relay and make money. war is money first
Wouldn`t it be better, to not show it off like this?
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Everything important comes from China. CPU, Battery, Magnets/Motors, optical fibre cable etc. Without China supplying both sides this war would be over quickly. Printing the low tech plastic frame and props make it a 50% UA product is wish full thinking.
Again with that "game changer" term. There is not such thing in the conflict. The system has many cons and the Russians started to use it much earlier, to called it a "game changer".
Not good to share such knowledge on the Internet.
Why?
Russia has had these drones for months
Horribly impractical. Kilometres of fibre optic cable trailing the drone ?
It's only supposed to be used in situations where they need to take out electronic countermeasures. Then they can deploy standard drones. It's the right tool for the job. What other solution would you propose to counteract jamming?
20 km of fiber is 2 kg. It is 0.24 mm in diameter. And it works great. I work with it personally.
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Why the need to let Russia know about it?
Maybe because Russia is already using the technology.
Russia reads everyone of your emails including what you think is encrypted chat, don't you think they're well aware of what Ukraine is doing right at their doorstep?
A bit reverse commenting. The point of the video is not a "need to let Muscovy know anything" they already know; it's to make supporters know what is being done. Now, if you want to project incompetence, treason, mindless publication of state secrets... that is on you. You are talking to the mirror. Ukraine never does anything inconsiderate, you'd know if you cared even a little.
Pay attention, or keep shilling for the enemy, your choice, your consequences.
@@PandemoniumMeltDown huh?
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Russia has already had such drones in service for several months. Ukrainians, by the way, are also good, but not even half of them can do what Russians do.
Are you really sur of what you say !!?? You joke or you are serious ?? Or is it propaganda russia !!?? I'm french and televisions says ukrainien drones exploded all old Putin russian tanks : at least 9473 approuved in open source with proof location and photos. Russian drones haven't so professionnal geeks in informatique to drive and manipulate with high precision...!!
LMFAO, okay comrade. Yeah Ukies don't have the same population to endlessly send in medieval age meatwave attacks. Seems like Ukraine can do more given what they've shown and how Putin is too stupid and incompetent to unfuck his own has-been country with the resources he had during all the years he's been president, so now hes desperate to not look like a failure and it totally backfired. A smart man would have recognized this years ago, Czar numb-nuts just keeps digging thinking magic will save him.
90% Chinese made components.
AI drones will be far superior to fibre optics control before long, if not already.
this isn't new or unique even russia is using fiber optic cables. And before that both sides are using wired guided missiles. the cable for the drones is a good idea but nothing special
Huge respect to Ukraine but please don't feel that you need to share all of your ground breaking technology with us. 🤫
lol what if what they share is meant to be a ruse?
Ground breaking? Maybe it was when Russia started using them months ago lol
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How warfare has changed? Posting videos on here to show the World what tech you have and what it can do? Some things are best kept quiet, like the element of surprise? Utter dog toffee!
Ukrainian supportive people think this is new innovation from ukraine .. sadly this fiber opptic drone copy from russian side. 😂 serch this keywords in youtube"vendal fpv"..
lol this shit is available on aliexpress. im pro ukraine but lol
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