"The unsettling years in the company of sailors would taint Charles and spoil him for the church." I have never been so proud to have served in the US Navy.
This video is 3 hours old, has over 3000 views, and just shy of 1000 'likes'. I've seen your channel grow over the years, and I'm downright proud of both you and your family who frequently help make these videos. Keep up the good work! You're doing a genuine service to humanity
Great presentation, thanks. Just reading "The Voyage of the Beagle", a ripping yarn which provides an vivid impression of Darwin's insatiable curiosity, indomitable energy and courage. Knowing now how close it came to never happening makes it all the more precious.
Fitzroy's concern that he needed a gentleman companion to avoid depression and going the way of Captain Stokes was well founded: his own uncle on his mother's side, Lord Castlereagh, had committed suicide in 1822 by slitting his throat with a razor and Fitzroy feared that he himself might succumb to a similar fate. In fact, he did so in the end, although it only came about nearly 30 years after the return of the Beagle and was due to financial straits rather than a lonely sea voyage.
@@GarrishChristopherRobin777 I don't think you can really say that; his money was mostly inherited and he spent it on "public expenditure", including paying for a large part of the fitting-out expenses of the Beagle's second cruise. I have seen no mention of Fitzroy dabbling in speculation; he was an extremely concientious person who sought to carry out the tasks entrusted to him (as, e.g., governor of New Zealand, as head of the Royal Naval Dockyards at Woolwich, and as head of what later became the Meteorological Office) even if it meant using his own funds to do so.
@@hushedmusic I've read conflicting accounts regarding Fitzroy's attitudes towards slavery. One, that he was a staunch supporter of it. And two, that he was actively involved in the eradication of the slave trade.
The process is the same, chance, luck, education, choice. His father never said no, he just said "I look at it this way" but went as far as asking his brother in law his opinion, his mind was far from closed, he invited a second opinion. A good man.
Plenty of poor kids party in college too. But the rich kids have their family to fall back on if they fail out of school. At least the computer industry is making things more equal so the rich kids don't have all of the advantages. I know many younger people without even a college degree making over $100,000/year in different IT sectors....mostly self taught and self-motivated.
Darwin lived a very full life. A great inspiration to me, in my endeavours. Thanks to my oldest friend, Nick, who lent me his entire library of his work. Cheers, from one old fool to another.
Fascinating history of Chas. Darwin indeed. I was not aware of the background of the difficulty with his commission aboard the Beagle. This spawns interesting consideration of what might not have been. Thank you Lance
You should do a video on the lunar men, Erasmus Darwin, was a member along with wedgewood, and several other famous genius engineers, scientists and industrials who all met regularly on the lunar full moon, when it was light enough to travel in the evenings. Their collaborations transformed the world leading the industrial revolution and creating the world we live in.
The recent PBS biography of Benjamin Franklin was particularly disappointing as they ignored Franklin's membership in the Lunar Society, and their influence on his science, and politics.
Mine is named Charlie, because he's a brainlet and couldn't remember any other name But the other dog is named Wilbur after Wilbur Wright bc they share a birthday. He's flown around the US with me
Excellent "behind-the-scenes" revelations. I've always found the history of science fascinating, especially things related to geology :) If I could give this a one-to-five star rating, I'd pick six.
@@trooperdgb9722 Steam Packet Ships, 5th ed., 1987, by Henry Fred. Described on the Abe Books' website as "136 pp; fine overview of the STEAM PACKET COMPANY'S ships; profusely illustrated with full-page b & w photos". Just that description told me something I didn't know before. Alternatively, Ships of the Isle of Man Steam Packet Company, 1999, by Steven Dearden and Ken Hassell. Described on Amazon's website as "48 pages. Dearden and Hassell's book provides an in-depth look at the ships and people involved in the running of the Steam Packet Company service from the first regular weekly packet boat established by the British Government in 1767 to the amalgamation of the Steam Packet Company with Sealink in 1985 and its take-over by Sea Containers Ltd. in 1996." I'm having trouble with "48 pages" and "in depth".
"The biblical flood, a worldwide phenomenon considered real by most geologists at the time." But Darwin was allowed free inquiry, which led to him being able to develop new ideas. Freedom is key!
I agree that there are many fools who can't accept reality including Don the Con Trump who still refuses to accept the fact that he lost a fair election in 2020.
During your next visit to the would recommend a visit to Darwin's house, Downe House, in the village of Downe, south east of London. Another reason to visit, two good pubs in the village!
As another commenter noted, it wasn't evolution that was the breakthrough here. That had been advanced as a theory for at least a century before Darwin. What made On the Origin of Species world-changing was natural selection. And if Darwin hadn't traveling aboard the Beagle, Alfred Russel Wallace would have published the same conclusions, though he reached them through a very different route.
I like beagles. My dad hunted. So, my one of my very first memories is puppy breath. I could write much more about them. From the feel of their ears, to the bad tempers when they get old. The damn things imprinted on me. I'm mostly dog.
For anyone who enjoyed this video, I would highly recommend Kirk Wallace Johnson's The Feather Thief. It's a bizarre story that details the clash between various groups, primarily the natural sciences and fly fishermen.
One of the best I've read in some time. A history nut as well as a tyer, it hits home how an unchecked passion can lead to such destruction. Hats and flies killed as many animals as the pigeons and buffalo's by hunters. Crazy
Charles Darwins cousin, Sir Francis Galton is considered by many to be the father of the eugenics movement. Galton is credited with coining the term “eugenics “ as well as the phase “ nature versus nurture.”
Ironically history probably would not have that much different as Darwin basically sat on the theory of natural selection for years until he was alerted by a friend that Alfred Russell Wallace had arrived at the theory independently and was about to publish. In the interest of fair play and all that the two men would presented their findings jointly in 1858.
@@boogerie Charles Darwin’s writings were very derivative of his grandfather’s thoughts so Charles could have entirely published the same books but with different case studies (probably with a heavier reference to barnacles - that being his previous life’s work). On the other hand he may not have gotten into barnacles without five years at sea…
@@GaryHurd Yes but it was a hypothesis in search of evidence not a finished scientific work. Lots of hypotheses get tested - Charles Darwin’s work lacked the evidence we have now but proved remarkably robust under test.
I recommend watching (if necessary on UA-cam) the scene from the movie Gettysburg where Picket and his Brigadiers talk about Darwin and his Theory around a campfire... You will be smiling if not laughing!
This five-year mission was one of the most important voyages in human history, and it's a shame that so many Americans take the same attitude that Captain FitzRoy held toward Darwin's work. I like to imagine an elderly Dr. Stephen Maturin corresponding with Darwin when not too busy teaching natural philosophy to the grandchildren that he and Christine Wood have.
No one disputes his work. He outlined natural selection. We dispute the way others have used his work to refute creationism. It obvious on many levels that the natural world is not a product of happenstance. That is what we dispute. A claim that Darwin never made.
I have been where the remains of the Beagle sit in mud on the Essex Creek, when Beagle was finished she was moored in the area as Coast watch ship to deter smuggling for many years and then when so rotten was sold for breaking for the metals etc but deep In the mud is her remains not burn as wet and rotten as normally you burn the wood to extract Copper brass lead steel and ships all valuable stuff. The site just nearby a small boat yard and such a quiet isolated place is perhaps right for the beagle to slumber.. I believe the boat yard has said to visitor who come to see the beagle there she is pointing to an empty Creek a huge anchor and viewvas far as you can see is sea Marsh and Creek...... But in the deep essex mud lies and artefact that changed how we view the world...
A few years ago there were stirrings of a campaign to collect funds and raise what was left of The Beagle. You could sign up on line for further information, but I haven't heard a squeak out of them since, so I presume the plans or hopes have fallen through.
Contemporaneous History: After many contacts with the HMS Beagle and Richard Henry Dana (Two Years Before the Mast - Dana Point, California), I chanced to look at a sea chart with both stories in mind. Best I can tell, Darwin and Dana came within 300 miles of each other in the middle of the Pacific Ocean during 1835!?
I have particularly enjoyed the biography of Richard Henry Dana III, "Slavish Shore: The Odyssey of Richard Henry Dana Jr." by Jeffrey L. Amestoy (2025 Harvard University Press). PS: I live in Dana Point, Ca. 😃
@@GaryHurd My experience of Dana Point: I rode bicycle from Long Beach to Tory Pines right on the beach much of the way. This was long ago; they let me ride across Camp Pendleton on my own.
What an interesting episode. I was unaware of Darwin's early life before he got on track. Good seeing the History Cat. He looks like he had other plans though.
In the 20th century the British Navy had "Tribal Class" destroyers. The second class of Tribal's were their biggest and best destroyers in WW2. They were mostly named after native peoples of the British Empire, including ten North American tribes. But there were tribal class destroyers named after non British Empire ethnicities such as HMS Cossack named after the Cossacks native to Ukraine. My point is that the British had a strong tradition of naming navy ships after races and tribes, so it is not surprising they had a type of ship called Cherokee.
@@Dave_Sisson, as did the Royal Canadian Navy. Their most famous Tribal HMCS “Haida” never visited the people after whom she was named. Haida still survives as a museum ship in Hamilton, Ontario.
Very interesting. In that era, scientists often found their calling by accident. It was actually good for the scientific community to have dissenting views, different perspectives, variable “training,” and controversial theories to stimulate debate. I fear we have lost most of that diversity, as universities churn out robots following the established narrative and worrying about political correctness. If they don’t adhere to groupthink, they don’t receive funding, are shunned by their peers, and eventually can be “cancelled” and driven out of academia. It happens all the time in the climate change realm, and is fundamentally wrong. Just as Darwin was subject to virtue signalling from the religious zealots after “On the Origin of Species” was published (you will see many examples in these comments of the same malaise centuries later), science is still adversely affected by narrow mindedness. We are not nearly as “advanced” as we think we are.
I found this video to be funny, enlightening and entertaining as many of the history guys' videos are, but this one gives a look at the society and culture of British science of that time. Unique, complicated and a piece of England's unique contribution to scientific exploration.
Those of us in the UK, that have more than a passing interest in maritime weather, know the name "Fitzroy" well. The eastern Atlantic and shores around the UK are divided into meteorological areas, most named geographically but one is named after the Father of Weather Forecasting, Fitzroy.
Darwin would approve, but I don't know how much support that would get. Mathematician Ronald A. Fisher's 1930 book, The Genetical Theory of Natural Selection, is widely considered the founding book of population genetics. Evolution is often something else altogether, else we would still see extinct species being produced by extant ones. As the first line of Fisher's book notes, "Natural Selection is not Evolution." Humans may be the clearest example of one way truly new organisms arise. We are genetically very much like bonobos or chimpanzees, but our chromosome 2 is essentially the head-to-head fusion of chromosomes 12 and 13 (IIRC) of our progenitor, making humans the only Great Ape with 23 pairs of chromosomes instead of 24. Imagine how long a shot there was in production of the first mating pair of humans. What an amazing world!
Fitzroy founded the Met Office in UK. Now an International Strateigic Meterlogical Office. He is also commemerated in the Sea Area Fitzroy off the Western Approaches. He is supposed to have committed suicide in 1865, because his weather forecasts failed to prevent ships sinking. I also live about 5 miles from Downe House.
That would be Flag Lieutenant (pronounced "left"enant ) Robert Fitzroy, for nonAmericans; he was British. Cheers from the Pacific West coast of Canada.
FYI.After watching lots of wildlife documentaries on the Galapagos,a place Darwin explored,I recommend a visit to its wildlife/watching Galapagos wildlife documentaries,especially to evolution deniers.
Darwin certainly didn't act that irresponsible during the trip. He took so many specimens and preserved them so well that it took the rest of his life to classify and catalog them all. The collection is now housed at the Oxford University Museum. I remember reading his Journal, Voyage Of The Beagle in high school and found it just as fascinating today as it was when it was written.
¿Do I remember correctly that a writing desk in a museum was on display for many years. Recently, when an inventory was take, someone opened the drawer and found a collection of microscope slides prepared by Charles Darwin, himself?
The idea that the uncertainty of Darwin’s voyage of the Beagle would have some significant impact on the development of the theory of Evolution is problematic, in that it ignores Alfred Russell Wallace’s nearly simultaneous development of the same theory.
Respectfully I disagree, in that Darwin’s social and scientific status was far greater. No idea goes undiscovered forever, but the equation is very different absent Darwin.
Charles Darwin's father, Robert, was disgusted that Charles had left medicine. If Charles refused to be "useful" then he should enter the clergy. His disappointed father sent him to Cambridge to prepare for the clergy. There is an interesting passage in Darwin's Autobiography (written originally just to his family) where he also discussed his study of the famous precursor to today's creationists, William Paley. "In order to pass the B.A. examination, it was, also, necessary to get up Paley's Evidences of Christianity, & his Moral Philosophy. This was done in a thorough manner, & I am convinced that I could have written out the whole of the "Evidences" with perfect correctness, but not of course in the clear language of Paley. The logic of this book & as I may add of his "Natural Theology" gave me as much delight as did Euclid. The careful study of these works, without attempting to learn any part by rote, was the only part of the Academical Course which, as I then felt & as I still believe, was of the least use to me in the education of my mind. I did not at that time trouble myself about Paley's premises; & taking these on trust I was charmed & convinced by the long line of argumentation." This is quite significant as the HMS Beagle Captain Robert FitzRoy was also committed to the Christian viewpoint they held in common. While at Cambridge University Darwin became closely acquainted with the Revd John Stevens Henslow, Professor of Botany, and the Revds Adam Sedgwick and William Whewell, respectively professors of geology and mineralogy. These men totally changed young Darwin’s early resolution to avoid geological science. Whewell sought to reform the practice of science into a more formal profession. In fact, he was the man who coined the word “scientist.” Sedgwick and Henslow both lead field trips that Darwin attended. Fieldwork is still today much superior to lectures for learning geology and what we would call ecology. The famous voyage around the world Darwin took from 1831 to 1836 was through the recommendation of Henslow. It was Sedgwick who sent Darwin off on the HMS Beagle with a copy of Charles Lyell’s Principles of Geology, which Darwin said, “Allowed me to see with the eyes of Hutton.”
Have to wonder how Mr. Darwin's thoughts would have differed given he had the knowledge that there have been many extinction level events. It certainly suggests that evolution comes on a much more abbreviated time line than believed.
Purportedly, Darwin formulated the “survival of the fittest” theory after reading Thomas Malthus, so that suggests he had an idea of extinction events. In fact, such events might theoretically speed the evolutionary process. But part of the genesis of his theories came to him while studying geology during the voyage of the Beagle. He cane to understand, looking at geological processes, how old the earth was, and how large the time frame was for natural history to develop.
It might also be noted that Fitzroy had good reason to fear mental illness, because his uncle, Lord Castlereagh, the foreign secretary, had committed suicide. It’s probable that Fitzroy had bipolar disorder, and that may have been a factor enabling him to bulldoze everyone into supporting his scheme to put light ships around the coast of the UK. So it is ironic. Fitzroy was completely correct to entertain the fears that he did, even if he didn’t understand the correct reason for how right he was. The moving story of Lord Castle raise suicide is recounted in a letter from the guest at the house that is in the penguin book of political anecdotes, edited by Paul Johnson.
Thank you for another fascinating slice of history! History deserves to be remembered but if it weren't for Uncle Joe we would be remembering history rather differently it seems. On this occasion, how much of our history as we know it would be changed? What would our world and history look like without Darwin? As a side note and just taking a guess here, but was Puss perhaps getting in the way when you were finishing up this one??? When a cat wants attention, paws and keyboards are bad mix!
And yet we have people in our highest Offices now who believe more in that other Boat with all the animals two by two than the science of the Beagle. Go figure. We are just a few steps out of the cave.
Speaking for myself, no way! Imagine setting sail to such distant places, unsure of winds and weather, trusting food supplies would be adequate.... I wonder how many women would marry a sailor in those days. Your husband sets sail and can't say when or if they will be back. No wonder the Brits say, "worse things happen at sea."
@@flagmichael Just imagine they will be sending mail home and receiving mail from home. Going places where there's no post offices nor airmail! But I could see the History Guy 🤓 with his knickers and Scryning bowl 🥣 like Nostrildamas !
I haven't read this book, but Goodreads rates it 4+ stars: FitzRoy: The Remarkable Story of Darwin's Captain and the Invention of the Weather Forecast by John and Mary Gribbin.
Sir, would you please make a video on the story of the break out of a Nevada prison that lead to the incident responsible for naming Convict Lake in CA. fascinating story.
Five years...umm...It's five year mission, to explore strange new worlds and seek out new life and new civilizations-to boldly go where no naturalist has gone before. Is that where Gene Roddenberry got the Five Year idea? The face and especially the eyes from the last portrait at the end of this video of young Darwin looks eerily too real, like he's really looking at you from behind the screen. I like cats too.
According to Stephen Fry on the popular TV show, QI, it took several attempts to return Galapagos turtles for study in England. Apparently they tasted so good that the crew consumed them on at least two trips.
🤔 The royal connection you mention is from the ‘wrong’ side of the blanket. That is, the illegitimate branch of royalty. Naming someone ‘Fitzroy’ or ‘Fitzpatrick’ indicates that status. Much found during the 18th and early 19th centuries as princes and kings dallied with ladies with ‘flexible’ morality.
"The unsettling years in the company of sailors would taint Charles and spoil him for the church."
I have never been so proud to have served in the US Navy.
Your reputation need not precede you I suppose.
I guess the Army isn't as retarded as I thought ....
1969-1975 strange time ,still have the friends 🏴☠
This video is 3 hours old, has over 3000 views, and just shy of 1000 'likes'.
I've seen your channel grow over the years, and I'm downright proud of both you and your family who frequently help make these videos. Keep up the good work! You're doing a genuine service to humanity
Yet your comment (at the time of this writing) is approximately 6 hours old
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@Derek Anon Perfectly said, I agree completely.
Well said!
he wasn't the first either.
His book, The Voyage of The Beagle, is enthralling. It reveals his common humanity in the volume.
if you haven't read voyage of the beagle you should... a true ripping yarn.
Read it just recently, so this video was timely!
Thanks, I just ordered a copy based on your recommendation.
Ah Charles, the father of Social Darwinism and inspiration for Hitler's ethnic cleansing
For some reason, I also haven’t read it. I put it on hold at my library. Thanks Captain and Jed for the recommendation. 👏👏
Thanks!
Great presentation, thanks. Just reading "The Voyage of the Beagle", a ripping yarn which provides an vivid impression of Darwin's insatiable curiosity, indomitable energy and courage. Knowing now how close it came to never happening makes it all the more precious.
Hi Sam. I want to read the Voyage now. I like your brief description. Did you finish reading it? 😊
Fitzroy's concern that he needed a gentleman companion to avoid depression and going the way of Captain Stokes was well founded: his own uncle on his mother's side, Lord Castlereagh, had committed suicide in 1822 by slitting his throat with a razor and Fitzroy feared that he himself might succumb to a similar fate. In fact, he did so in the end, although it only came about nearly 30 years after the return of the Beagle and was due to financial straits rather than a lonely sea voyage.
@@GarrishChristopherRobin777 I don't think you can really say that; his money was mostly inherited and he spent it on "public expenditure", including paying for a large part of the fitting-out expenses of the Beagle's second cruise. I have seen no mention of Fitzroy dabbling in speculation; he was an extremely concientious person who sought to carry out the tasks entrusted to him (as, e.g., governor of New Zealand, as head of the Royal Naval Dockyards at Woolwich, and as head of what later became the Meteorological Office) even if it meant using his own funds to do so.
I feel lots of sypmathy for FitzRoy
@@hushedmusic I've read conflicting accounts regarding Fitzroy's attitudes towards slavery. One, that he was a staunch supporter of it. And two, that he was actively involved in the eradication of the slave trade.
It amazed me that Darwin himself seems to have been on the Beagle through natural selection.
Very random choice...
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The process is the same, chance, luck, education, choice. His father never said no, he just said "I look at it this way" but went as far as asking his brother in law his opinion, his mind was far from closed, he invited a second opinion. A good man.
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It was fate!
Darwin wasn’t the last rich kid that spent his time at university partying instead of studying.
Tommy Boy
Nor the first…
Or, come home with a degree that said he knew how to do something he really didnt know how to do
Plenty of poor kids party in college too. But the rich kids have their family to fall back on if they fail out of school.
At least the computer industry is making things more equal so the rich kids don't have all of the advantages. I know many younger people without even a college degree making over $100,000/year in different IT sectors....mostly self taught and self-motivated.
Did tRump party at school? Or was he unpopular even then? Cadet Bonespurs and all that…
I would love to see a video on the naturalists Wallace and Bates that corresponded with Darwin.
Darwin lived a very full life. A great inspiration to me, in my endeavours. Thanks to my oldest friend, Nick, who lent me his entire library of his work. Cheers, from one old fool to another.
wallace was employed by darwin.
@@jedtattum9996 Yes, many years after the publication of Origin of Species and after Wallace had returned from Indonesia.
Darwinism is the basis for Hitler's ethnic cleansing
Fascinating history of Chas. Darwin indeed. I was not aware of the background of the difficulty with his commission aboard the Beagle. This spawns interesting consideration of what might not have been. Thank you Lance
You should do a video on the lunar men, Erasmus Darwin, was a member along with wedgewood, and several other famous genius engineers, scientists and industrials who all met regularly on the lunar full moon, when it was light enough to travel in the evenings. Their collaborations transformed the world leading the industrial revolution and creating the world we live in.
The recent PBS biography of Benjamin Franklin was particularly disappointing as they ignored Franklin's membership in the Lunar Society, and their influence on his science, and politics.
I’m currently building a wooden model of the Beagle. And I have an 8 year old beagle. I named him Hunter, after the constellation Orion.
Mine is named Charlie, because he's a brainlet and couldn't remember any other name
But the other dog is named Wilbur after Wilbur Wright bc they share a birthday. He's flown around the US with me
Tragic how Cpt Fitzroy would end up taking his own life as did his predecessor Cpt Stokes, both suffered terribly from chronic depression and poverty.
Excellent "behind-the-scenes" revelations. I've always found the history of science fascinating, especially things related to geology :) If I could give this a one-to-five star rating, I'd pick six.
1st class...thanks for sharing
Darwin, was ahead of his time.!
Packet ships were mentioned in a passing fashion, but deserve to be remembered more deeply.
Would love to see a reasonably in depth study of the British "Packets"...Anyone know any specific books on the subject?
packet ships... history that deserves to be remembered.....
@@trooperdgb9722 Steam Packet Ships, 5th ed., 1987, by Henry Fred. Described on the Abe Books' website as "136 pp; fine overview of the STEAM PACKET COMPANY'S ships; profusely illustrated with full-page b & w photos". Just that description told me something I didn't know before. Alternatively, Ships of the Isle of Man Steam Packet Company, 1999, by Steven Dearden and Ken Hassell. Described on Amazon's website as "48 pages. Dearden and Hassell's book provides an in-depth look at the ships and people involved in the running of the Steam Packet Company service from the first regular weekly packet boat established by the British Government in 1767 to the amalgamation of the Steam Packet Company with Sealink in 1985 and its take-over by Sea Containers Ltd. in 1996." I'm having trouble with "48 pages" and "in depth".
That cat always manages to look so thrilled. 😂
Beagle became a bark. Too perfect.
Yup
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"The biblical flood, a worldwide phenomenon considered real by most geologists at the time." But Darwin was allowed free inquiry, which led to him being able to develop new ideas. Freedom is key!
Incredible mind on Darwin. The ability to accept reality is a talent many will never have.
I agree that there are many fools who can't accept reality including Don the Con Trump who still refuses to accept the fact that he lost a fair election in 2020.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own."
How many will accept the reality that Darwin's influence had on Adolf Hitler
@@hello-cn5nh How many will accept the reality that Jesus' influence had on Charlemagne?
@@MolonFrikenLabe Jesus? That's the guy who mows my lawn.
Your cat be like "Put me down Daad!"
Lol yes. He was fine at first, but it took several takes. He was definitely over it.
History Cat! ❤
1:50 there was a guy named... Pringle Stokes? OMG what we're his parents thinking!
Gotta mention that Charles Darwin and Abraham Lincoln were both born on February 12th 1809
Lincoln: freed slaves
Darwin: influenced Hitler
The History Guy’s kitty is very shy, enjoy see him/her!
thanks again THG ..
Fun fact: Charles Darwin and Abraham Lincoln were born on the exact same day: February 12th, 1809.
During your next visit to the would recommend a visit to Darwin's house, Downe House, in the village of Downe, south east of London. Another reason to visit, two good pubs in the village!
As another commenter noted, it wasn't evolution that was the breakthrough here. That had been advanced as a theory for at least a century before Darwin. What made On the Origin of Species world-changing was natural selection. And if Darwin hadn't traveling aboard the Beagle, Alfred Russel Wallace would have published the same conclusions, though he reached them through a very different route.
I like beagles. My dad hunted. So, my one of my very first memories is puppy breath. I could write much more about them. From the feel of their ears, to the bad tempers when they get old. The damn things imprinted on me. I'm mostly dog.
For anyone who enjoyed this video, I would highly recommend Kirk Wallace Johnson's The Feather Thief. It's a bizarre story that details the clash between various groups, primarily the natural sciences and fly fishermen.
One of the best I've read in some time. A history nut as well as a tyer, it hits home how an unchecked passion can lead to such destruction. Hats and flies killed as many animals as the pigeons and buffalo's by hunters. Crazy
Maybe Public Radio International (PRI) will broadcast the festivities by PRI.
Nice history lesson.
I enjoy reading the Darwin Awards!
Thanks for putting this together George! I'll be instructing you novices.
history cat got too excited at the mention of fishes
Very interesting do more history on scientists
Richard Feynman would be a good start
The 12th of Feb. is also Lincoln's Birthday, and MY birthday, as well. 😁
Charles Darwins cousin, Sir Francis Galton is considered by many to be the father of the eugenics movement. Galton is credited with coining the term “eugenics “ as well as the phase “ nature versus nurture.”
ha ha "eugenics" ... something NOT worth remembering
Makes perfect sense considering the massive influence Darwin had on Nazism
2:00. "Flight Lieutenant" Robert Fitzroy. He was almost 100 years ahead of his time, rank wise. A true pioneer.
Flag Lieutenant.
Ironically history probably would not have that much different as Darwin basically sat on the theory of natural selection for years until he was alerted by a friend that Alfred Russell Wallace had arrived at the theory independently and was about to publish. In the interest of fair play and all that the two men would presented their findings jointly in 1858.
I would also suggest you look up Erasmus Darwin…
@@allangibson8494 I'M AWARE OF HIS WORK!
@@boogerie Charles Darwin’s writings were very derivative of his grandfather’s thoughts so Charles could have entirely published the same books but with different case studies (probably with a heavier reference to barnacles - that being his previous life’s work). On the other hand he may not have gotten into barnacles without five years at sea…
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The "theory" proposed in verse by Erasmus Darwin was neither thorough, nor empirically grounded.
@@GaryHurd Yes but it was a hypothesis in search of evidence not a finished scientific work.
Lots of hypotheses get tested - Charles Darwin’s work lacked the evidence we have now but proved remarkably robust under test.
I recommend watching (if necessary on UA-cam) the scene from the movie Gettysburg where Picket and his Brigadiers talk about Darwin and his Theory around a campfire... You will be smiling if not laughing!
This five-year mission was one of the most important voyages in human history, and it's a shame that so many Americans take the same attitude that Captain FitzRoy held toward Darwin's work.
I like to imagine an elderly Dr. Stephen Maturin corresponding with Darwin when not too busy teaching natural philosophy to the grandchildren that he and Christine Wood have.
No one disputes his work. He outlined natural selection. We dispute the way others have used his work to refute creationism. It obvious on many levels that the natural world is not a product of happenstance. That is what we dispute. A claim that Darwin never made.
@@FrydClips His work is the refutation of creationist nonsense.
I have been where the remains of the Beagle sit in mud on the Essex Creek, when Beagle was finished she was moored in the area as Coast watch ship to deter smuggling for many years and then when so rotten was sold for breaking for the metals etc but deep In the mud is her remains not burn as wet and rotten as normally you burn the wood to extract Copper brass lead steel and ships all valuable stuff.
The site just nearby a small boat yard and such a quiet isolated place is perhaps right for the beagle to slumber..
I believe the boat yard has said to visitor who come to see the beagle there she is pointing to an empty Creek a huge anchor and viewvas far as you can see is sea Marsh and Creek......
But in the deep essex mud lies and artefact that changed how we view the world...
A few years ago there were stirrings of a campaign to collect funds and raise what was left of The Beagle. You could sign up on line for further information, but I haven't heard a squeak out of them since, so I presume the plans or hopes have fallen through.
l can only imagine what the voyage on the HMS Beagle must have been like .......Thanks to THG🎀 I can ponder the idea of it 👍
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Contemporaneous History: After many contacts with the HMS Beagle and Richard Henry Dana (Two Years Before the Mast - Dana Point, California), I chanced to look at a sea chart with both stories in mind. Best I can tell, Darwin and Dana came within 300 miles of each other in the middle of the Pacific Ocean during 1835!?
I have particularly enjoyed the biography of Richard Henry Dana III, "Slavish Shore: The Odyssey of Richard Henry Dana Jr." by Jeffrey L. Amestoy (2025 Harvard University Press).
PS: I live in Dana Point, Ca. 😃
@@GaryHurd My experience of Dana Point: I rode bicycle from Long Beach to Tory Pines right on the beach much of the way. This was long ago; they let me ride across Camp Pendleton on my own.
What an interesting episode. I was unaware of Darwin's early life before he got on track. Good seeing the History Cat. He looks like he had other plans though.
Yeah, he had a vivid imagination.
He’s thinking Feed Me, they all do y know!
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Surprised the Royal Navy had a "Cherokee" class of ships, seems more something thw US navy would have created.
Oddly the first HMS Cherokee was commissioned in 1808, while the first USS Cherokee was not commissioned until 1859.
In the 20th century the British Navy had "Tribal Class" destroyers. The second class of Tribal's were their biggest and best destroyers in WW2. They were mostly named after native peoples of the British Empire, including ten North American tribes. But there were tribal class destroyers named after non British Empire ethnicities such as HMS Cossack named after the Cossacks native to Ukraine. My point is that the British had a strong tradition of naming navy ships after races and tribes, so it is not surprising they had a type of ship called Cherokee.
@@Dave_Sisson although, to be fair, the Cherokee class was not consistent in naming convention. Hence “HMS Beagle.”
@@Dave_Sisson, as did the Royal Canadian Navy. Their most famous Tribal HMCS “Haida” never visited the people after whom she was named. Haida still survives as a museum ship in Hamilton, Ontario.
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Great episode, and I really appreciate the cat cameos!!!
Very interesting. In that era, scientists often found their calling by accident. It was actually good for the scientific community to have dissenting views, different perspectives, variable “training,” and controversial theories to stimulate debate. I fear we have lost most of that diversity, as universities churn out robots following the established narrative and worrying about political correctness. If they don’t adhere to groupthink, they don’t receive funding, are shunned by their peers, and eventually can be “cancelled” and driven out of academia. It happens all the time in the climate change realm, and is fundamentally wrong. Just as Darwin was subject to virtue signalling from the religious zealots after “On the Origin of Species” was published (you will see many examples in these comments of the same malaise centuries later), science is still adversely affected by narrow mindedness. We are not nearly as “advanced” as we think we are.
I found this video to be funny, enlightening and entertaining as many of the history guys' videos are, but this one gives a look at the society and culture of British science of that time. Unique, complicated and a piece of England's unique contribution to scientific exploration.
That Darwin was an abolitionist is underscored by the fact that he and Abraham Lincoln were born on the very same day.
Nicely done
2:35 Parliament and Funkadelic!? The MotherShip !
"Almost not history". I mean; who would remember a ship called the Beagle?
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Charlie Brown surely would.
Those of us in the UK, that have more than a passing interest in maritime weather, know the name "Fitzroy" well. The eastern Atlantic and shores around the UK are divided into meteorological areas, most named geographically but one is named after the Father of Weather Forecasting, Fitzroy.
My college ecology Prof. described evolution simply and succinctly as nothing more than a change in gene frequency. I think Darwin would approve.
Darwin would approve, but I don't know how much support that would get. Mathematician Ronald A. Fisher's 1930 book, The Genetical Theory of Natural Selection, is widely considered the founding book of population genetics. Evolution is often something else altogether, else we would still see extinct species being produced by extant ones. As the first line of Fisher's book notes, "Natural Selection is not Evolution."
Humans may be the clearest example of one way truly new organisms arise. We are genetically very much like bonobos or chimpanzees, but our chromosome 2 is essentially the head-to-head fusion of chromosomes 12 and 13 (IIRC) of our progenitor, making humans the only Great Ape with 23 pairs of chromosomes instead of 24. Imagine how long a shot there was in production of the first mating pair of humans. What an amazing world!
As Darwin did not know “gene” means & evolution=the changing of genes & not of frequencies,disagreed.
Fitzroy founded the Met Office in UK. Now an International Strateigic Meterlogical Office. He is also commemerated in the Sea Area Fitzroy off the Western Approaches. He is supposed to have committed suicide in 1865, because his weather forecasts failed to prevent ships sinking. I also live about 5 miles from Downe House.
You should do a video on Winston Churchill’s platypus
And another video on his essay "Zionism vs Bolshevism"
It makes me wonder how many other potential scientific endeavors which may have had a world-wide impact did not actually happen.
Or got buried under the sands of history or laughed off the stage, because they clashed with the prevailing dogmas of the day, as happens now.
Wow, that was quite a story. Thanx for posting.
That would be Flag Lieutenant (pronounced "left"enant ) Robert Fitzroy, for nonAmericans; he was British. Cheers from the Pacific West coast of Canada.
FYI.After watching lots of wildlife documentaries on the Galapagos,a place Darwin explored,I recommend a visit to its wildlife/watching Galapagos wildlife documentaries,especially to evolution deniers.
Darwin certainly didn't act that irresponsible during the trip. He took so many specimens and preserved them so well that it took the rest of his life to classify and catalog them all. The collection is now housed at the Oxford University Museum. I remember reading his Journal, Voyage Of The Beagle in high school and found it just as fascinating today as it was when it was written.
¿Do I remember correctly that a writing desk in a museum was on display for many years. Recently, when an inventory was take, someone opened the drawer and found a collection of microscope slides prepared by Charles Darwin, himself?
The idea that the uncertainty of Darwin’s voyage of the Beagle would have some significant impact on the development of the theory of Evolution is problematic, in that it ignores Alfred Russell Wallace’s nearly simultaneous development of the same theory.
Respectfully I disagree, in that Darwin’s social and scientific status was far greater. No idea goes undiscovered forever, but the equation is very different absent Darwin.
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Charles Darwin's father, Robert, was disgusted that Charles had left medicine. If Charles refused to be "useful" then he should enter the clergy. His disappointed father sent him to Cambridge to prepare for the clergy. There is an interesting passage in Darwin's Autobiography (written originally just to his family) where he also discussed his study of the famous precursor to today's creationists, William Paley.
"In order to pass the B.A. examination, it was, also, necessary to get up Paley's Evidences of Christianity, & his Moral Philosophy. This was done in a thorough manner, & I am convinced that I could have written out the whole of the "Evidences" with perfect correctness, but not of course in the clear language of Paley. The logic of this book & as I may add of his "Natural Theology" gave me as much delight as did Euclid. The careful study of these works, without attempting to learn any part by rote, was the only part of the Academical Course which, as I then felt & as I still believe, was of the least use to me in the education of my mind. I did not at that time trouble myself about Paley's premises; & taking these on trust I was charmed & convinced by the long line of argumentation."
This is quite significant as the HMS Beagle Captain Robert FitzRoy was also committed to the Christian viewpoint they held in common.
While at Cambridge University Darwin became closely acquainted with the Revd John Stevens Henslow, Professor of Botany, and the Revds Adam Sedgwick and William Whewell, respectively professors of geology and mineralogy. These men totally changed young Darwin’s early resolution to avoid geological science. Whewell sought to reform the practice of science into a more formal profession. In fact, he was the man who coined the word “scientist.” Sedgwick and Henslow both lead field trips that Darwin attended. Fieldwork is still today much superior to lectures for learning geology and what we would call ecology.
The famous voyage around the world Darwin took from 1831 to 1836 was through the recommendation of Henslow. It was Sedgwick who sent Darwin off on the HMS Beagle with a copy of Charles Lyell’s Principles of Geology, which Darwin said, “Allowed me to see with the eyes of Hutton.”
:58 Like a Frigate?
That would be a good comparison. A retired Navy Sailor here
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Have to wonder how Mr. Darwin's thoughts would have differed given he had the knowledge that there have been many extinction level events. It certainly suggests that evolution comes on a much more abbreviated time line than believed.
Purportedly, Darwin formulated the “survival of the fittest” theory after reading Thomas Malthus, so that suggests he had an idea of extinction events. In fact, such events might theoretically speed the evolutionary process. But part of the genesis of his theories came to him while studying geology during the voyage of the Beagle. He cane to understand, looking at geological processes, how old the earth was, and how large the time frame was for natural history to develop.
But we needed Father Mendel to give us the mechanism. Science is the ultimate co-operative endeavour.
Yes I've read some papers that suggest manipulation or mutation of DNA from external forces beyond selection. It's all so fascinating!
Josiah Wedgewood is another of my unknown heroes.
Screenshot (15 Feb 2023 00:48:03)// Revalations Sent Back To Genisis By Exodus
It might also be noted that Fitzroy had good reason to fear mental illness, because his uncle, Lord Castlereagh, the foreign secretary, had committed suicide. It’s probable that Fitzroy had bipolar disorder, and that may have been a factor enabling him to bulldoze everyone into supporting his scheme to put light ships around the coast of the UK. So it is ironic. Fitzroy was completely correct to entertain the fears that he did, even if he didn’t understand the correct reason for how right he was. The moving story of Lord Castle raise suicide is recounted in a letter from the guest at the house that is in the penguin book of political anecdotes, edited by Paul Johnson.
you know cats are like most animals in that they usually understand what you want them to do ... they just choose to ignore you ..
Agreed.
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Thank you for another fascinating slice of history! History deserves to be remembered but if it weren't for Uncle Joe we would be remembering history rather differently it seems.
On this occasion, how much of our history as we know it would be changed? What would our world and history look like without Darwin?
As a side note and just taking a guess here, but was Puss perhaps getting in the way when you were finishing up this one???
When a cat wants attention, paws and keyboards are bad mix!
No pirates?
Did you know that the city of Darwin Northern Australia is actually named after Charles Darwin..
Yes, I did.
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@2:00 *First* Lieutenant Robert FitzRoy, I'm thinking 🤔.
*Flag Lieutenant
@@lizj5740 Ah, thank you.
@@jaex9617 You're welcome.
And yet we have people in our highest Offices now who believe more in that other Boat with all the animals two by two than the science of the Beagle. Go figure. We are just a few steps out of the cave.
The facade of civilization is like theatre paste; a thin & garish veneer.
As I belief in good faith & good sci,am I in/out of the cave?😂
Hey Playboy ,🤓👋 would you have gone on the Beagle if given the opportunity?
Speaking for myself, no way! Imagine setting sail to such distant places, unsure of winds and weather, trusting food supplies would be adequate.... I wonder how many women would marry a sailor in those days. Your husband sets sail and can't say when or if they will be back. No wonder the Brits say, "worse things happen at sea."
@@flagmichael Just imagine they will be sending mail home and receiving mail from home. Going places where there's no post offices nor airmail! But I could see the History Guy 🤓 with his knickers and Scryning bowl 🥣 like Nostrildamas !
Is the History Cat's name Darwin? I had a cat I named Darwin years ago. Big black longhair and very laid back. I miss him.
Lol no. His name is Pocky.
@@TheHistoryGuyChannel nice! Like Pocky from Pocky and Rocky!
Now for the follow up... the Darwin awards...
Do you have a bowtie for your cat?
Now, _that_ would be an interesting video.
I do- he is not a fan
@@TheHistoryGuyChannel Hahahah!!
I think you meant First Lt. not Flight Lt.!!!
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can anyone recomend a book about Fitzroy?
I haven't read this book, but Goodreads rates it 4+ stars: FitzRoy: The Remarkable Story of Darwin's Captain and the Invention of the Weather Forecast by John and Mary Gribbin.
@@lizj5740 thank you!
I'll get on it!
@@williamhsmith4019 You're welcome. I hope it is truly a "good read".
Indubitably a great yarn
The pirates in an adventure with scientists You should try to watch this movie.
I think that's the name of the movie.
Sir, would you please make a video on the story of the break out of a Nevada prison that lead to the incident responsible for naming Convict Lake in CA. fascinating story.
Five years...umm...It's five year mission, to explore strange new worlds and seek out new life and new civilizations-to boldly go where no naturalist has gone before. Is that where Gene Roddenberry got the Five Year idea? The face and especially the eyes from the last portrait at the end of this video of young Darwin looks eerily too real, like he's really looking at you from behind the screen. I like cats too.
I loved the Star Trek series,except Deep Space Nine.😁
Darwin and President Lincoln same birthday.
February 12, 1809 is the most consequential date of the nineteenth century.
All good History Guy episodes end with cats.
Anyone read "The Dark Side of Charles Darwin" by Jerry Bergman? Comments?
WHAT EVEN IN SOME CLOSED CHURCHES , EVEN TODAY THATS A LONG EXPERIENCE.
According to Stephen Fry on the popular TV show, QI, it took several attempts to return Galapagos turtles for study in England. Apparently they tasted so good that the crew consumed them on at least two trips.
I hate to be an upstater but it's pronounced kayuga hard k. All the native names we have here are confusing to say the least . Canandaigua..
🤔 The royal connection you mention is from the ‘wrong’ side of the blanket. That is, the illegitimate branch of royalty. Naming someone ‘Fitzroy’ or ‘Fitzpatrick’ indicates that status. Much found during the 18th and early 19th centuries as princes and kings dallied with ladies with ‘flexible’ morality.