Perhaps it's congruent, but as I understand it (I'm open to correction) the distinction between mortal and venial sins is that some sins condemn you and others don't. I personally am speaking only to the sin of faithlessness, or rejecting Christ, which I see as not having degrees, but simply being yes or no. It appears that the RC criteria for mortal sins has to do with the sin's level of "evilness," and the sinner's understanding about that, as well as their intention in it. Apparently, in this view, intentional sins like murder can cause a loss of God's sanctifying grace. Or perhaps they would say God's sanctifying grace doesn't cover such evil, willful sins. I actually think that's not UNbiblical. I qualify it differently, but if we let the scriptures say what they say and don't make them say what they don't say, we can actually teach that position without having to appeal to Roman Catholicism to do so. But if we read long enough we will find scriptures that frustrate that position. For me, the only sin that will not be forgiven is the "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit," or the "trampling of the Son of God underfoot," or the "receiving of the mark of the beast," or the "setting up yourself as an enemy of God," or any other way of being "antichrist" -- all meaning the rejection of Jesus as Lord. I think focusing on the quality of any other specific sin as being powerful enough to nullify God's grace, misses the mark and is confusing the fruit of the only true mortal sin for the mortal sin itself. Would love to hear your thoughts Rick.
@@simplerfaith I am far from being a Catholic apologist and no way qualified to defend thir position. I come from a background of “eternal security” or once saved always saved. But as you say the scriptures can be used to argue either position. This is where the RC would argue that sola scriptura falls short. The traditions of the church and apostolic succession give guidance. I am inclined to agree. You know that my heart is for a reunification of the body of Christ. Listening to your message this morning caused me to think that your viewpoint and that of the RC are really not that far apart. I have been listening to a channel on YT called Catholic Answers that has given me some insight into their thinking. Ironically, I noticed that almost all their presenters are Protestant converts. I really sense a move of the Holy Spirit to heal the schism.
1. Jesus came to die for us, if it’s only until our next sin, or to cover only certain sins, Jesus on the cross saying “finished” in the definite article will not be right 2. Jesus clearly said the way to salvation is to only believe, this is clear scripture. Other not so clear scriptures should be reconciled to what Jesus himself clearly said. 3. There is no sin too big to outdo Jesus’s saving grace.
@@escallite If the act of believing is a decision we have to take by an act of our own will, then by an act of our own will cannot we also walk away from that belief? Do you really believe that a Christian can go out and willfully murder someone and still retain his salvation? I am not qualified to speak for the RC church, but in my opinion this would be categorized as a mortal sin And condemn you to eternal damnation. However, from what I understand about Catholic doctrine, through the sacrament of confession and repentance, even mortal sins can be forgiven.
I was recently reading that exact scripture in Matthew, contemplating the broad spectrum of what Jesus meant by " the will of God". Then it struck me, how many times Jesus said, "what do the Commandments say? Do not steal, do not murder , do not commit adultery etc. So on my mind ran away with itself regarding the will of God in so many areas of life, when the answer to what the will of God is the simple commandments, not the difficulty I had turned it into. Or what about the statement Jesus made" not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law till all be fulfilled". I'm wondering why did Jesus again use Broad terminology of" till all be fulfilled" ? "Till all be fulfilled" could be interpreted to mean the crucifixion or the resurrection but possibly it could mean anything. the second coming even.. yet again I concluded if I just stick to the basics of do not murder, don't steal, don't commit adultery and don't disrespect God( the first five Commandments) then I should be okay . I'm going to have to re listen to your videos again because they are just too cram packed with so much quality scriptures . I've had real difficulty absorbing any of Paul's letters And difficulty with Paul's belief that the New Covenant supersedes the old Covenants in light of Ezekiel 41 through 48 regarding the messianic time yet to unfold
I'm honored to have you listen. I think 1 John 3.21-23 speaks well to this: "Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us."
Hallelujah
Amen.
This sounds very congruent with the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church on mortal and venial sins.
Perhaps it's congruent, but as I understand it (I'm open to correction) the distinction between mortal and venial sins is that some sins condemn you and others don't. I personally am speaking only to the sin of faithlessness, or rejecting Christ, which I see as not having degrees, but simply being yes or no.
It appears that the RC criteria for mortal sins has to do with the sin's level of "evilness," and the sinner's understanding about that, as well as their intention in it. Apparently, in this view, intentional sins like murder can cause a loss of God's sanctifying grace. Or perhaps they would say God's sanctifying grace doesn't cover such evil, willful sins. I actually think that's not UNbiblical. I qualify it differently, but if we let the scriptures say what they say and don't make them say what they don't say, we can actually teach that position without having to appeal to Roman Catholicism to do so. But if we read long enough we will find scriptures that frustrate that position.
For me, the only sin that will not be forgiven is the "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit," or the "trampling of the Son of God underfoot," or the "receiving of the mark of the beast," or the "setting up yourself as an enemy of God," or any other way of being "antichrist" -- all meaning the rejection of Jesus as Lord. I think focusing on the quality of any other specific sin as being powerful enough to nullify God's grace, misses the mark and is confusing the fruit of the only true mortal sin for the mortal sin itself.
Would love to hear your thoughts Rick.
@@simplerfaith I am far from being a Catholic apologist and no way qualified to defend thir position. I come from a background of “eternal security” or once saved always saved. But as you say the scriptures can be used to argue either position. This is where the RC would argue that sola scriptura falls short. The traditions of the church and apostolic succession give guidance. I am inclined to agree. You know that my heart is for a reunification of the body of Christ. Listening to your message this morning caused me to think that your viewpoint and that of the RC are really not that far apart. I have been listening to a channel on YT called Catholic Answers that has given me some insight into their thinking. Ironically, I noticed that almost all their presenters are Protestant converts. I really sense a move of the Holy Spirit to heal the schism.
1. Jesus came to die for us, if it’s only until our next sin, or to cover only certain sins, Jesus on the cross saying “finished” in the definite article will not be right
2. Jesus clearly said the way to salvation is to only believe, this is clear scripture. Other not so clear scriptures should be reconciled to what Jesus himself clearly said.
3. There is no sin too big to outdo Jesus’s saving grace.
@escallite Thanks for the comment. Are you saying that Jesus' death covers even the sin of refusing to believe in him?
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If the act of believing is a decision we have to take by an act of our own will, then by an act of our own will cannot we also walk away from that belief? Do you really believe that a Christian can go out and willfully murder someone and still retain his salvation? I am not qualified to speak for the RC church, but in my opinion this would be categorized as a mortal sin And condemn you to eternal damnation. However, from what I understand about Catholic doctrine, through the sacrament of confession and repentance, even mortal sins can be forgiven.
I was recently reading that exact scripture in Matthew, contemplating the broad spectrum of what Jesus meant by " the will of God". Then it struck me, how many times Jesus said, "what do the Commandments say? Do not steal, do not murder , do not commit adultery etc. So on my mind ran away with itself regarding the will of God in so many areas of life, when the answer to what the will of God is the simple commandments, not the difficulty I had turned it into. Or what about the statement Jesus made" not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law till all be fulfilled". I'm wondering why did Jesus again use Broad terminology of" till all be fulfilled" ? "Till all be fulfilled" could be interpreted to mean the crucifixion or the resurrection but possibly it could mean anything. the second coming even.. yet again I concluded if I just stick to the basics of do not murder, don't steal, don't commit adultery and don't disrespect God( the first five Commandments) then I should be okay .
I'm going to have to re listen to your videos again because they are just too cram packed with so much quality scriptures . I've had real difficulty absorbing any of Paul's letters And difficulty with Paul's belief that the New Covenant supersedes the old Covenants in light of Ezekiel 41 through 48 regarding the messianic time yet to unfold
I'm honored to have you listen. I think 1 John 3.21-23 speaks well to this: "Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us."