Breaking down THE BATMAN Trailer (Editing Analysis)
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
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Following up on our "Just One Thing" regarding the One Frame Ahead a trick - we break down and analyze the timing and edits beat by beat of the new "The Batman" trailer - looking for cutting ahead of the beat and CUTTING ON ACTION.
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Really enjoyed this analysis. Definitely would like to see it for other trailers or film clips.
Same!
It’s a lot more pedestrian and relatable unlike the analysis from This Guy Edits which is a tad too technical.
Great stuff. One noteworthy detail that didn't get mentioned was how the shot at 14:19-14:20 has the character raising his arms in sync with the riser (the build-up sound). It's basically the same logic as the Batman ascending bit. Great editors have the synesthetic skill of matching not just beats, but also the 'feel' of the music with appropriate actions. A bit like dancers!
Man I LOVED this trailer analysis, I really hope you do A LOT of analysis like this!
"I don't believe a single person has complained." LOL now that you've let the cat out of the bag, just wait!
He is vengeance, that appears during the needed clips/beats of this engaging and mysterious trailer. Another informative and entertaining video. Stay safe and keep it up!
Ever watching to the end to hear "do semething great!"
It's also the lighting of his eyes, and the nonchalant blink; it doesn't feel rehearsed.
Hey John, pretty neat analysis. Your videos are one the reasons I'm into filmmaking since 2014. Cheers & Thank you 🍻
It's wonderful to hear your voice and your enthusiasm.
What a gorgeous dissection.
one of the best analysis i have seen!!! very much appreciate your work
The analysis I didn’t know I needed. Very cool.
It’s all in the frames man 🤘🏼 words to live by
Great video. Thanks for the breakdown. One thing is that I never even noticed the logo matching the pulling of the duct tape until you mention it.
Bil Simser you really didn’t notice that?
Awesome analysis! Please do more of these, John!
Great video, John. You're my go-to film guru. (And I'm a Batman fan too.)
Truly love your editing videos!
first time i see this kind of tutorial. its like big punch to my mind omg i will learn by hard this video. thank you
I love this trailer!! 🔥
I am 14 years old and I just subscribed because I love your videos, I can learn from them and I like your almost kinda relaxing way to explain things. Thanks!
Really loved this video, this trailer was amazing so i love seeing it broken down like this, all the little details that play into the subconscious. Awesome! Thank you!
Thanks John, brilliant vid!
That was great, and Inlearned a lot. Thank You!
It's official. John Hess is the biggest nerd on the internet.
Another point I really enjoyed was that at 13:02, they briefly cut in audio of someone heavily breathing over the ticking clock, putting us in the perspective of the suicide bomber while also accentuating the tenseness of that specific situation. Tiny detail, but I think it paid off big.
High quality content top shelf
Now I’m a bit of a lens nerd and I can tell you with very great confidence that that flare was not added it post. It might have been caused by a larger light source that was shone into the lens from out of frame below. But it could very well have been created by the little flash light. I can’t tell for certain until I’ve studied these lenses they’re using which I can’t do yet, because they’re new anamorphic lenses by Arri which haven’t even been announced yet.
Yeah I didn't know if it was faked or not but it would be an easy thing to add.
The horizontal anamorphic flare is quite easy to add but that bright blooming before I think you were referring to, not so much. That’s more than just adding a 2D effect and if done poorly can look off putting. These kind of light bouncing around in the lens flares are almost always practical. Especially when we talk about super high end DPs like Greig Fraser.
I think you could pull it off easily overlaying some recorded lens flare footage over the shot. It happens so quickly anyways. You'll get all the lens characters and it's easy to hide because the flare is motivated.
I'm not saying that's bad, also not saying that's what they did. But it is possible.
Oh yeah that’s also very possible. I just don’t think it’s CG is what I mean.
Do more of these analysis please!
I did the same as you, but with JL Snyder Cut. Dropped the clip on premiere and watched it like 50 times. TIP: premiere pro beta version has a functionality of automatically detecting frame changes.
Great video : )
Thanks for this video! It’s super cool & informative!
Thanks for the breakdown! REALLY looking forward to this one. It looks like they're taking some cues from Joker and opening up those apertures nice and wide.
Great commentary, love your stuff
Great Simpsons ref! "So I says to Mabel, I says..." 🤣🤣🤣
Yep, but then I found the Simpsons were referencing The Great Gatsby!
Filmmaker IQ WHOA! I just learned a new thing today! Thanks for that. 😄
Great video and really awesome trailer. I'd like to bring your attention to something you didn't mention - 13:00 - how this heavy breathing-like sound drives the cutting. Inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale
When will you do another video for "The Studios" Playlist?
One of these days - I have the next script done but they get so few plays...
@@FilmmakerIQ Oh, it's good to hear that it's on the agenda at least, those videos of the Studio Moguls and History are some of the best in - depth videos I've ever seen on UA-cam, not to mention the way it's presented made to give off that old school Hollywood vibe is impressive to say the least.
John. Great analysis, was fun to see!
Side note: Personally I think the gradients on the PPro audio meters render them nearly useless. Not sure if you're aware, but if you right-click on the meters you can turn OFF the gradient and you can clearly tell when you hit 18db and 6db by the change in color.
I'll have to try that
loved this video. One of my fav's so far. I will be noticing the timing of the beats in other films now. I wonder how the timing of the beats really change. I'm sure there is a formula. For example. What sort of feeling do we get placing the hits before the beat versus after the beat of the visual. I wonder.. hmmm.
Would love to see more such videos, John. Love your channel. I now understand cutting ahead of a beat but what I am still unable to put my finger on is 'Cutting on action', or the specific idea of it. Walter Murch mentioned I think action that is happening in the sense of the actors doing things or someone about to do something (sorry if I am remembering this totally wrong). In your video here, I also got the impression that 'action' could mean anything that is happening (a flashlight turning on) and not necessarily just human action. So does that mean I cut on action meaning anything including non-human action on screen?
Yep ;)
At least to me, action is anything that happens in the frame.
@@FilmmakerIQ That makes sense, and is a little easier to think of when editing. Thank you John!
Is no one going to talk about the audio cut that goes like "From your secret friend" "Underneath the bridge" and then batman asks "Who", all so perfectly??? No? Okay.
I've watched this trailer so many times and this video too. I also enjoy the camera flashbulb charge after the line "any of this mean anything to you?" as you mention in this video, which leads up to the hit and the cut. That exact sound effect used in that trailer is from Ryan Wassil, soundsnap dot com/search/audio/camera%20flashbulb%20warming%20up/score
Because I was wondering if they EQ'd the sound to achieve that cause it sounds so different from your typical camera flash whine FX and so super high quality. But nope, it's used as it was.
Slightly off topic question - I know there are tons of software choices for downloading video from youTube or Vimeo etc. Was wondering which software that you used here? Quality looks really good.
Also, you show the Batman latency with vimeo and youTube from I believe different sources. Did you test your outcome of the 57 ms with your own test footage? Seems to me there are a lot of variables in uploading i.e. codec. bit rate etc. was wondering if your findings are accurate with a more controlled test of the variables. Quite a series you have going here.
I mentioned on the first one that I used to be a musician and doing commercial studio work had many producers suggest playing ahead of the beat for energy ( lively pop feels ) and behind the beat for emotional songs ( ballads , blues etc. ) - seems to me a lot of decisions in editing could be for similar reasons. And in this the pounding of the punch - showing the impact - ( like a drummer hitting a drum ) the swing of the arm is the part that sells the audio impact.
Really cool ideas here and analysis. Haven't quite seen this approach on youTube tuts- love it.
I used Internet Download Manager.
My own experiments indicate that YT adds about 46ms, Premiere itself would add about 13ms when encoding to H.264. I imagine the original cut was rendered in a pro codec with no delay, a cut made without the MPA logo added some delay and then YT added some more after that.
But I'm not going on a firm number on what the delay is... I don't really understand what UA-cam is doing enough to say for sure.
@@FilmmakerIQ UA-cam now feeds audio and video separately and combines them in the player. Or in the case of the downloader, by the software that writes a standard codec.
I don't think the downloader is encoding anything. It may be being done on the player... But it also exists when downloading from the Creator Studio outside a player. Again, I don't know precisely how this is introduced, only that everything I see is demonstrating that it is. Also not the same level on a site like Vimeo
Here's a recent upload/reupload experiment and the audio delay introduced by each successive upload is in line with 1 frame of delay. ua-cam.com/video/JR4KHfqw-oE/v-deo.html
For those coming to this video years later this is the "DC FanDome Teaser" being analyzed here. I mostly say that as a different trailer is the one that Google will give you if you just search for "the batman trailer".
Say what you want about the trailer, but the song choice was great! Nirvana is one of my all time favorite bands so I’m a little biased
That's what I call an editing course. Thx!
It would have been nice to split the video at shots and to have markers at beat also to have a more clear overview of the edit :) There is tool for such actions.
"So, I says to Mable, I says, 'If you think I'm gonna buy you that toaster oven, you got another think comin'.'"
Amazing video! You should analyze the Joker teaser trailer. Many people including myself consider that trailer to be very addicting.
Wait, we are watching the Vimeo version which doesn't have the delay but we are watching it on UA-cam so their should be a delay anyway????
HOW DOES THIS WORK!???
I actually rectified it so that it wouldn't be delayed on UA-cam ;)
@@FilmmakerIQ Just checking ;)
Beautiful breakdown, but what if they edited with the UA-cam delay in mind?
Then they would have uploaded another version on Vimeo
@@Moosbett True 😅
Great video. The cut on his eyes would have been more effective if it they were shut then popped open. It would have emphasized how he's able to hide in plain sight.
I think where it sits would work better... Again the concept of giving the visual system a bit more time than audio... Easier to register the blink after it happened than to time it so that lids are closed.
@@FilmmakerIQ Yeah, that's a good point. The cut from a close pov to the master/establishing of the bike takes a moment to connect
Can you do Wonder Woman 1984 Trailer 2 Editing Analysis?
Loved this material thanks for the insight .... hoping to edit material like this in my next career ✌🏽
Love this ! Miss the live streams
We'll do them again soon
Hey sir, how do you download youtube videos?
Love yaaa
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Please post a link to the correct trailer - there are a lot of hits on "The Batman trailer" on Vimeo. I am not a super fan, so are confused about what iteration we are in now, like with the Spiderman, where there are two like, universes out there. Same as with the new iterations of "Star Trek", conveniently, happeing in new timelines, I believe this ruins the whole thing, and just confuses the public, like with all those Marvel movies, where you have to be an expert and super nerd, to follow the timeline. And oddly enough, this started already with Star Wars, at episode IV-VI, then they made I-III, then
VII-IX, then a lot of spin-off, animations etc. All the making of "prequels" in addition to sequels, is also messing things up, a bit.
All this mess ruins everything, we want (mostly) clean timelines, of course some exceptions are allowed, however, different variants by different studios, just confuse the causal viewers, and probably irritates fans who like things to be "canon", too.
I am no saying that you never should go back in time, in a series, however it should be done with care, because sooner or later, the public will loose track of everything, thus the interest in the series.
Just Google "Matt Reeves Vimeo The Batman Trailer"
Batman doesn't exist in a continuum universe like Star Trek. There's no connection between Adam West Batman and Nolan's Dark Knight. Instead everything is a play on central themes and concepts. Bruce Wayne is closer to James Bond or Sherlock Holmes or even King Arthur who has a common origin story but from which any number of possible stories can be told.
Only 60 comments??? Weird. Thought people would be more outspoken about stuff they don't know shit
What is the software you are using. I like the ergonomic of it. I am using filmora and davinci and find both soso.
Adobe Premiere
ha okay thanks. Little dissapointed hoped it was an unknown software available for free XD
Jokes aside adobe is the most popular for a reason
Adobe kinda poached the early folks from Final Cut about a couple years ago - if you know FCP7, Premiere is really really close.
All good BUT your voice is out of sync....
I think it has something to do with yputube delay
How do u write a film Analysis ? Help
You watch a hundred times and you write what you think about it.
Filmmaker IQ ohh like I never did one before is it like a certain way you have to write it ?
Nope, it's just an essay
Filmmaker IQ ohh ok thx
i don't like that batman is just hanging out with tons of cops, he's an outlaw vigilante but the whole force is ok with this masked psycho just walking around a crime scene. i thought this movie was going for a gritty realism version? if this is only year two, nobody should trust batman yet. also, the batmobile a vehicle that will most defiantly get shot at has an exposed engine on the rear end, why? I've never disliked a batmobile until this movie? please prove me wrong matt reeves. I hope this movie is good so i can ignore all the nonsense.
Amazing Analysis! I’m 18 and an aspiring editor and director myself, I’d love if someone of a higher calliber than me could check out my work in my channel, there’s a fan made trailer of the last of us and a re-edit of Dark (netflix) ending, also both trailers of my school project but thats in brazilian so I dont think its necessary! Cheers for the editing community!
Great video! I’d watch more trailer breakdowns like this. Maybe include more about how the audio was layered in and things too.
Thanks for the analysis, now I can try using these same techniques when I edit home movies!
The one frame before the audio is so good 👌 was very helpful
This video and the previous two videos helped me a great amount. SUBBED