They can experiment a lot more easily on the comparatively lesser-viewed channels. Trying something new that ends up ticking off the 400k Mac Address subscribers is a lot less bad for the overall bottom line than ticking off the almost 15 million LTT subscribers, for example.
i remember using perfectfit to full size screen Instagram. Now most apps don't work on iOS 9 and the browser is borked since it never got updated to support the newest webkit, ES6/7 thus practically making it useless. I hope open web advocacy makes apple allow 3rd party browsers, I never thought... I'd say this but I'll take Chromium over no web browser at all.. O.O
Mac Address is honestly such a focused show. Where LTT is written in a way for mass adoption (not a bad thing), the way this channel feels is like watching the movie “Her”. It not just the mac related stuff. its the script, the presenter, the open feel of the environments. In such a vapid environment of garnering as much views as possible like some fastfood, this feels like one of those niche small italian places that serves like 10 things. Limited selection but whats there is damn near perfect
I really feel like this channel captured the feeling I had with some of the earlier LTT reviews where it's scripted with less jokes or at least more subtle and has this subtle casual feel. I'd love to see them combine this style with all the scientific data and the wider variety of devices on LTT. Not to say the current video style is bad but sometimes it feels like its not connected with changing scenes and hosts every few minutes.
Would've preferred a little more research, you can literally use the Galaxy Tab S7/8 as a secondary display for a Windows device. Also, Dex on a 12"+ screen is genuinely really usable, it's hardly smaller than some laptops
Universal control is not only a secondary display but the ability to keep the iPad as an iPad and still be able to drag and drop files between the 2 devices, depending on the workflow it could be more useful than just having 2 screens for the mac
@@RodrigoFerreira-bs6hd but are the files saved on the tablet after you've done it or does it work as a second display? What I mean is, you can drag a file from the Mac and drop it on the iPad even if you're not using it as a display (but I don't know if that's the same with Samsung)
Tab S8's have a built in feature where you can use them as a second display for your windows pc. It's wireless so there are some lag issues but it's still very usable for everyday tasks.
I have iOS and Android and apple and windows OS’s on my computers and I can confirm that this feature does technically exist on Samsung tablets however it is not a native feature of windows, have to setup and install some shit but once it’s done it’s good to go now downsides this is same as it’s upsides. It uses your centralized LAN network off your router. This is both a good thing because it makes it more universal it can even work more machines as long as on same network however downside is this is far more prone to lag spikes, disconnection issues and inherently because of how it’s presented over a shared network has potential to be vulnerable to some man in the middle attack. Apple’s solution is far more seamless, clever and elegant. Somehow the computer realizes the iPad is next to it in real-time and which side it’s on to auto populate where your screen position is for moving shit to the iPad but also in background hidden it spawns another closed network that the iPad attaches to and is dedicated between the iPad and the mac. All without you touching anything just once the mac realizes the iPad is close enough they somehow bond together over a hidden dedicated network between them and even if don’t use universal access or sidecar or whatever but in the event you do it’s instantly ready because it’s already bonded and no downside to doing it this way for apple. Downside for us however is it’s more locked down and doesn’t work properly without authentic hardware running the OS likely because of some dependencies.
The iPad has Sidecar which works both wired and wireless and has absolutely zero lag, the response time is literally 1ms and quality is pretty much perfect (you need a microscope to notice compression artifacts), and guess what? Apple makes ad-hoc connections so the amazing wireless performance doesn't change on a bad network
@@untitledsurfer8503 side car is good. I use it very often. I’m also heavily invested in the apple ecosystem. But you’re taking rubbish. Do not say you need a microscope to notice compression artefacts. Is it subtle, sure. Is it so impossible to see that you need a microscope, not even close. The image is strongly compressed using lossy compression. Don’t hyperbolate your points, it makes them seem fake and unrealistic
I used be very anti DEX but after having a few business situations where I needed multiple apps open and didn't have my laptop available while away, I realized how much of a game changers DEX can be. I could have done the same work on my phone or iPad but it would have taken forever with constant swipping. The keyboard complaints are not relevant if you adjust it to your liking in settings
I honestly didn't know anyone typed on the full screen keyboard like it's a laptop. I just use the floating keyboard and swipe type with my thumb. Apple users often seem so picky and ridged that if the smallest thing works differently than they're used to, it means it's garbage.
@@btbarr16 I don’t think that’s Apple users, that’s everyone You see it in both directions equally, but you notice it more by the competitor because of confirmation bias
@@osahinmartinez3371 huh? You referring to ipad, Samsung tablets or laptops? Samsung commits to 4 years of updates, apple allows 5-6 years and windows will update so long as your specs support it
A few things to note: 1. Dex is very very very far from perfect and it doesn't work well with their own keyboard cover somehow, different apps behave differently which sucks. But it's a "desktop" mode. In the "touchscreen macbook" video u said yourself desktop interface is for precision input aka a pointer device, but here u are use your fingers and said resizable windows doesn't work. Of course a "computer replacement" without keyboard and mouse doesnt work. Look at tablet mode on windows, its not good. Another point about dex, though not exclusively through it, is outputing to a large monitor with the correct aspect ratio. Again this and the dex feature itself is not even close to as useful as samsung says, which it should be given dex is 5 years old, but you are not comparing the whole of it to the ipad. 2. For the app orientation part, though again far from perfect and quite hard to find in the settings, there's an option to choose how the app (like Instagram) should behave if it doesn't support landscape mode. It can either fill the whole screen in landscape or show as portrait with large black areas on both sides. 3. The landscape on-screen keyboard is trash but if you are not using a physical keyboard, i dont see anything stopping you to type in portrait mode. Landscape keyboard doesnt make sense on any platform as it just blocks half the screen. 4. Speaking of multiple devices, there is second screen feature which turns your tab into a wireless display, and it works for basically all windows computer. For someone that even considers to buy an android tablet in the first place, instead of ordering an ipad straight from apple, he has a higher chance of using a Windows pc instead of a mac, and doesnt have that much apple device, thus a useful feature. (I am aware of the sidecar and universal control, which are superior, but i think there are features missing in this comparison). Im not saying Jonathan intentionally makes the samsung a worse tablet, actually although i do own one, i think the ipad is a better choice for most people, apps behave much better, performance is more than 5 years ahead, in general things just work on ipad. But i think as an apple person presumably for a very long time, Johnathan does not adapt to the (unnecessarily) complicated android settings and features very well and hence does not offer a complete comparison.
Second screen is a blessing while using a windows laptop. I could have my laptop charging on one end of the room while I can continue to work on my tab s7 with full functionality of my laptop. DEX is also really good with a keyboard, I use it during lectures since it's lighter than carrying my laptop while still being very functionality for those purposes. I feel like he's looking into the tab series as an apple person, but as someone who uses PCs and androids all the time, the tab series is honestly really good; it's the bridge connecting the two.
@@7654321220 okay, Fan Boy. If he wanted to he would have claimed that iPads support mouse and keyboard as well. That wasn’t the point. He never said the desktop replacement was made for touch. Yes, he showed it that way because his point of a tablet is the portability and ready for use hardware. Hence the whole coffee shop theme. Would you bring a monitor, mouse and keyboard to a coffee shop? No. And for every other environment a laptop is much more useful anyways. This was also mentioned in the video. Don’t even start about Android vs. windows. Nothing about this had to do with apple, mate.
Point 2 is how iPhone apps behave on iPads by default. The question would be, why do I ask users to search for settings instead of making it default and give them the option to turn it off? Point 3 is just a sad excuse. “Just don’t use landscape” shouldn’t be a thing for a platform that claims user freedom as their main selling point. As someone watching tech videos and writing comments like these you are already light years deeper into the topic than most android users. People that will NEVER go as deep into any settings. Therefore the out of the box experience matters and that’s what this was about.
There's two big advantages/uses for android tablets that were missed here. You mentioned universal control but completely failed to mention that multiple apps exist to allow your android tablet to be a plugin second monitor for any PC or mac. They can also be used as Bluetooth displays through built in Windows functions, but I think this is less useful than plugging in a single usb-c cable and having a true secondary display that often outperforms most portable displays on the market. You did mention the usefulness of expandable storage but I think you completely skipped on what that can be used for. In my case I use my Galaxy tab S6 lite as a movie storing beast for airplane rides, and general travel. My only other- however more niche gripe- is the lack of emulation options for the iPad without jailbreaking. I think an android tablet with a small Bluetooth controller can replace a Nintendo switch for most people, everything from the Wii downward is easy to emulate and contains a catalog of games that arguably outperform the switch. Oh and one other thing that I think is completely underrated, the Samsung notes app is legitimately the best note taking app I have ever used, and I say that with great pain usually hating Samsung's design philosophy of tossing every feature at a problem without reason. Their notes app is unrivaled, editing large PDF's with ease, many amazing tools for quick highlighting and shape formatting among other things. And its somehow not bloated- its seriously a gem, if I didn't hate the rest of their software I would use as many of their products as possible to take advantage of the app.
Honestly samsung notes my dawg. Like it will be the literal best thing. It works well with so much. And the good part is that you can sideload it on non samsung pcs and sync with samsung tablets. it has the capability to emulate pdfs but also ms word and xcell and also do so much for making the note taking experience seamless among differnet file formats. The stylus support for the software is by far the most fine tuned stylus support on any literally on any software i have ever seen in the whole world. The best of all is that you can integrate it with microsoft365's one note and acess features like live time updates and relaunching instances of the app for using different notes at the same time. I am a student and it is the most excellent and fine software ecosystem for literally free of cost for note taking, to the point that i am willing to use as samsung phones and tablets untill I graduate college. This video did no justice, gave no credit to the single best feature of the galaxy tab: Samsung Notes which is preasent along the whole galaxy tab lineup.
Yeah, this is the MAIN reason why I have a Samsung s8 even tho I have a macbook. I feel limited because if I went for an iPad, the seamless ecosystem would be a fine feature to have, but I REALLY can't write for long using their apple pencil. It's painful.
I think we need to remember that customizability wise android tablets are always going to be better, but this channel is mainly focused for people who want to have their tech working for them, not everyone wants to spend their time learning how to tinker. And believe me, what might be simple to us enthusiasts can be difficult for another person.
True. Just….true. I’ve noticed that out of all of my relatives and family members, I’m the only one tinkering with my phone. It’s funny that even though a phone is more personal item than most other things we own, we tinker with it the least.
@@renwasaman8840 i'm definitely an enthusiast, but i refuse to tinker with my phone *because* it's so personal. i need this to work 100% of the time flawlessly, i dont care about jailbreaking it or installing beta updates or anything like that
@@renwasaman8840I understand where you’re coming from, but personally, I find that the phone is kind of the only thing I don’t like to tinker with. I’ve used flagship android phones for a really long time. Started with the Galaxy S and ended on the S21 Ultra. And my biggest gripe with it was the lack of consistency. So I’ve switched to an iPhone and while yes I’ve lost some of the features I liked, I’ve been having a much more stable and care free experience.
BTW Horst, you could actually modify the size of the keyboard in the settings. Not only that, but you could also use the split keyboard UI if you want to!
Good review but as a user of both OS, I disagree about DEX (not about the using it on the tab itself - agree with that -good points made!). That Sammy tab does display over USB-C, so as a start-up charity owner, rather than spending initial budget building a 2nd PC for our new office to go with the one I use at home, I ended up using my Samsung device as my main workhorse - and surprisingly it worked out quite well! If I'm out and about I'm using my phone as normal, emails, script reading, staff workboard apps etc... when I'm in the office I pop it on a stand on my desk, plug in a single USB-C to my monitor, and I get a desktop with an auto syncing wireless keyboard and mouse... I LOVE my iPad, amd i agree the OS is more "tablet robust" - but honestly I'm only using it more as a wireless monitor for our cine cameras and drones these days plus a bit of gaming (whereas before thats what android was for)...
Yeah, I think he was a bit shortsighted with DeX. He says that the screen is too short to use it, but there's two use cases where that isn't a issue. One, as you said, is tethering to an external monitor and using the tablet as a desktop tower, and two, using it with the new S8 Ultra, which is massive at 14 inches, as big as some notebooks.
The irony of this is that the iPads with M1 APUs could replace a desktop computer entirely since they're essentially using desktop hardware. DEX is exactly what I always envisioned as the future of mobile computing. A simple and intuitive system that switches modes depending on the use case just makes sense. Now that mobile hardware is reaching desktop class performance, it's actually kind of bizarre seeing Apple treat their tablets like second screens rather than actual computers. It's especially ironic considering their "what's a computer" ad from a few years ago. I genuinely believe that Apple should just put MacOS on the iPad and have it run in a tablet mode that's essentially iPadOS until you dock it or choose to enter desktop mode. It would make them invaluable to creatives, incredibly powerful for students, a smart investment for businesses, etc.
as a person who actually benefits from using Dex, I love streaming videos to the big screen at the correct aspect ratio. Having a tablet and computer all in one is badass. I can hook a touch screen monitor to Samsung through USBC and get full screen touch screen flawless. Good luck ever doing anything like that with the overpriced under quality IPAD. Enough kissing Apple's ass.
We can really feel your Apple mindset coming through in this one. You make a couple great points, but are still caught up in the "if I don't like it, I just have to deal with it" headspace. No, this is Android, just change it. Don't like the keyboard? Open the settings menu, there's 3 by default. Don't like the screen size? Get the bigger one. If you cover Android again, please make a list of your grievances with the device and google them, there might already be options in the device that you're missing. (this seems to become a thing for lmg covering the tab s8)
LMG seems to be focused on quantity over quality in many of its product reviews. Dunno if it's an outcome of becoming too big or just the pressure of churning lots of videos just to maintain their revenue and contractual obligations with partners.
but macadress isn't just quantity. It sound more like you don't like apple. Android for tablets isn't good right now and you can do less it with it on a production standpoint.
@@PropritacusLP Dunno if your reply was to my comment or to Jakob's. UA-cam needs a better way to show that. Assuming you were replying to my comment - I agree that iPads are far superior to Android tablets. My comment was on the quality of LMG videos in general (on the last line by Jakob). I feel that it's slipping in the level of details they miss out on which could be easily added with some extra research.
@@PropritacusLP no matter which one you prefer, it's not an excuse to put incomplete or wrong information out there. And yes, I do not like Apple for the exact reason I put in my comment: If you don't like the way it works, that's it. But that isn't android. There's no reason to bash the keyboard if you could have easily changed it, without installing any apps or anything, it just comes natively with multiple ones preinstalled. Same with the screen size: Don't get the 8 inch version and then complain that the tablet is just 8 inches etc.
@@PropritacusLP That's the Apple fans point of view. Millions of people love Samsung tablets for what the use it for. And from a production standpoint a Windows or Mac is far superior to an iPad
You can get all apps to auto rotate via Samsung Labs settings and you can choose the aspect ratio you want for them. And Samsung also has their version of universal control called Smartview. Also the Samsung ecosystem between galaxy devices really makes the tab compelling as all your photos, messages and contacts are synced across. Plus you forgot to mention that another huge difference between getting the ipad air and galaxy tab is that the galaxy tab also has the 120hz screen and included s pen with lower latency than the apple pencil going for it as well as much better integration with office 365. The galaxy tab is focused around a different sort of productivity to the iPad.
They definitely ride that line between classic LTT content and a lifestyle type channel. I'm not going to lie, i was on the fence about Jonathon as a presenter initially. He's become quite the staple and is absolutely killing it. I now find myself really enjoying when he drops in on other LTT Apple content to give his twist on it.
Not long ago my laptop broke down and the repairs would take quite a long time. So I had to use my Tab S6 Lite (their cheapest offering with a stylus) as my main computer, along with a Bluetooth keyboard, while travelling. I brought this tablet because I wanted to read textbooks and ebooks, and take written notes with the s-pen and for that purpose even the cheapest stylus-tablet they had was nice. As a student i didn't really need more. But i didn't keep much expectations going in. For writing my lab reports, DeX was Honestly a game changer for me. I had 5 pdfs and two browser tabs open, along with Word, and honest to god I'd have spent two hours longer on the assignment if I was unable to alt-tab between windows or window-snap to edges. DeX has things other than being able to Move and Resize windows, but that alone was the most useful takeaway from my experience then. For most apps, I did what I do on my PC. There's no good Twitter or Facebook app for desktop so I just use the Browser version. Between browser websites and resizable windows, I didn't really miss my laptop, or even run into the limitations very often. (Once I got used to the screen size and using the stylus as the mouse)
Exactly this. Why would I even use an app if I have great browser version? I can add it to home screen in browser and it basically behaves like an app, but without it running and the background and collecting whatever data it can from mobile. Who would install twitter as an app on desktop? This is how you actually get to use it as desktop app in tablet UI. This review is pain to watch. It is like all people at LTT do not consider use cases that people can use tables, because they themselves do not use it at anything else then work with photos, YT, buying stuff and social media. Then again, most people use it like that. :D
@@JournalOfKlowledge I guess there is a reason why they posted this video on a separate channel... there is no way a video with this skewed of a message would have made it through on the main channel. I'm still not sure how this video made it through on this channel, even considering it is an Apple channel, it is extremely painful to watch.
Same! I got the same device to read and annotate pdf files, but also to be able to write without carrying around my beast of a laptop, I absolutely love this tablet! I've doen so much with it: read so many paper, written essays and even drawn maps! All on a student's budget! Best purchase I've made in a while
Dex is nothing like Stage Manager. Dex can basically run any linux application (that supports Arm). It really can be a desktop replacement - focus on desktop, not laptop. Just connect it to a dock with keyboard, mouse and a monitor :)
DeX does not "run any [ARM] Linux application." It's simply a launcher/UI. You would need something like Termux/Andronix to run Linux apps, which does not require DeX (although DeX enables much nicer scaling on external displays).
It’s a bit unfair to compare the whole apple ecosystem to just an android tablet. You should have tested how well it worked with a Samsung phone and a windows laptop if you’re going to discuss sidecar.
Here comes the ramble... This is not an apples to apples comparison, pun intended. Let's take the PREVIOUS gen iPad air 4, 600 dollars with 64gb and 4gb of ram and NO celular options available and compare it with the also PREVIOUS gen Samsung Tab S7. iPad has 60hz display and Samsung has 120hz, 4gb ram vs 8gb ram Samsung, 64gb of storage vs 128 samsung, 4 speakers on Samsung vs 2 and the air... That's head to head, now let's talk about the things Tab S7 has that Air 4 doesn't: Included and more capable S pen, fingerprint unlock, Storage expansion with SD card, celular option included at no extra price, Dex mode extends the display, on air 4 it mirrors it, only in the new M1 iPad it also extends it. Also, S7 is Always on sale, you can get it for 400 bucks, even less... If you want the S7 Plus it comes with an AMOLED display, there are ZERO ipads with AMOLED...So yeah, competition is here, that's not even an argument in most people's minds, but in America Apple has SO much market share people like your father can't even consider getting an Android tablet without being some abnormal thing for you... I'm not trying to hate here, just get some perspective... And if all those hardware, quality of life improvements and price differences can be overlooked by and Apple fanboy in order for him to choose the iPad, maybe it's reasonable to understand Android guys overlooking an app not being available or not opening in the right orientation for all those benefits.
while I agree on the overall premise that iPads blow Android tablets out, I feel like a majority of your complaints were unfocused. Basically "I'm used to how iPadOS works, so I think it's better" Not really compelling points.... there's a ton of actual reasons why iPadOS is simply better. good production quality, but there was essentially zero substance in this video.
I think you missed the full concept of Dex. Dex works with wired or wireless streaming to a TV or monitor, making it a true Android desktop. The big issue with Dex is lack of compatible apps.
Yeah it was a bit painful to watch him use a touch screen then complain it didn't work well, a bit of a disappointing video for me, which is a first for this channel.
@@nickthaskater I haven't used Dex in nearly a year, since fall or maybe early winter. Hopefully they have finally gotten developers to start adding it in, but I have literally over a hundred apps on my Galaxy S21, and of the 50+ apps that I've tried last year, or previously on my S9, maybe half even launched in Dex mode, and not all of them with full support, even a few Samsung apps not supported, at least fully. As of last year, Samsung apps were okay on Dex, but mostly productivity apps and some browsers beyond that, but it sounds like I'll have to start playing around with it again.
An artist on a budget. The included S pen on a tab S7 for a price of under $800 was the selling point for me since I had a budget. (Plus the screen size, expandable storage, and the fact that I owned an android phone.) If I wasn't on a budget at the time, I definitely would've gone the iPad route since I own a Macbook. I do have regrets, but not that I could've chosen any differently. But also maybe, the fact that I'm new to the Apple ecosystem is also a heavy factor. edit// First off, if you're looking for a tablet as an artist, check out Brad Colbow. He does a lot of in-depth reviews on tablets both iOS and Android to help make your decision. Secondly, replies on why I couldn't have just chosen the iPad Air M1 or why or how $800 can be a budget price... or whatever else strange comments there are below. I'm an artist who deals with 2d work, not 3d so not applicable to me whatever problems come with that. The iPad Air M1 wasn't out yet when I bought my Tab S7. And I'm not recommending for anyone to go Android. I was just sharing my experience and why I made the decision that I did. Also, though I know Procreate is a really great app, it's not the end all be all, especially for those who don't like to buy their apps for their first run-through. I think, if you're trying things out, go the cheaper or free route and see how you work first. AND the tools don't make the artist though they do help a lot. However, knowing how you work and what you like is what is really key to workflow.
Relatable. I just got an M1 Air a few months ago and been eyeing an iPad since. However, the storage options are frankly a rip-off and the price of the Pencil is too far. And I don't intend to migrate to iPhones anytime soon, so maybe the Galaxy tab is a good option for me too.
@@matthewoyan Same same! I've been wanting that iPad but just that pen price is not justified for me yet. lol I know that other artist stand by it now but when you're on a budget, it's not a choice. Hopefully, we'll both get to a point where we can jump ship OR android apps can match iOS.
There is a critical thing you have to consider: what creative apps are available on android vs iPadOS? Procreate, Vectornator, Adobe Fresco/Photoshop/Illustrator, and affinity photos/designer are all nowhere to be found in android, and those apps are all extremely useful for artists, plus the lack of performance on android tablets is just going to drag you down when you’re working in demanding apps, such as nomad sculpt, this 3d sculpting app requires a lot of performance, especially when applying lots of post processing and working on high poly count models, and the SD 8 gen 1 in the Tab S8 ultra is so slow that Chinese android phones can beat it in performance, Snapdragon is just not keeping up with apple silicone at all, they can’t even beat last gen intel mobile chips used in the surface pro tablets. The only exclusive drawing app that are actually useful for artists on android is krita, and unfortunately that app currently is just a bare bone port from pc with interface designed for only desktops, it is very unoptimized for touch, and the app on pc is also unoptimized in terms of performance, I don’t expect it to perform any better on a tablet that performs lower than a current gen android phone, and if you want a tablet below $800, there is still the iPad Air M1 to choose from.
You are right in making this video...in most of your points. I purchased my Samsung S6 8Gb RAM and 256GB of storage for these reasons - better price for more storage - more ram for better multitasking - micro sd expansion that allows up to (I think 2TB- but fact check that) - I was shopping during black Friday and Apple did not care about giving me a good deal (the deal was just 100 dollars towards the next Apple product purchase) not $100 off the tablet. - I was able to purchase the tablet at Samsung at 430 just being the best price all-around at the time, (not to mention the apple iPad with the same specs was MUCH more expensive still) - Lastly, I find that the android operating system gives you much more control and shows you more information at all one time For example it actually tells you without even going into settings what Bluetooth device you have connected. Apple's interface is honestly just too big and blocky, with too many things to tap on to change one setting.
@@JustAGamer70, You do understand that when ios, and iPad OS runs out of system memory the other applications actually stop running until you go back into them right? Also, my budget was originally 300$, but after realizing I would need to spend more for what I wanted, I pushed my budget by 150, still Apple's lineup did not line up with what I wanted. A big influence was the fact that I wanted a lot of storage to keep pictures and videos and download as many applications as I like without feeling limited by a measly 64GB or even 128 is not enough these days. Thank you for commenting.
The "shows you more information at all time" is a balance and preference thing. People whose minds are more aligned with Apple's way of thinking tend to prefer a UI that shows you less information at a time if it means it's going to look less cluttered and more visually clean. Android people tend to think otherwise. Different strokes for different folks, although we must all try to stay open minded and look out for what the other person is doing as much as we can, because our preferences also change over time and if you don't stay nimble and get too attached to your way of doing things, you might turn it into a personal thing and think people who don't do things the same way you do it are stupid. You can also see what BT device you're connected to without going into Settings, but as you said you need to tap on more things to see that. People that have a strong preference (having a strong preference isn't equal to being ignorant) for iPad over an Android tablet (or vice versa) don't really care about the price, they just want an X and are not in the market for other things / the other thing. If I don't see a discount for the iPad, I'm not gonna buy anything else. Sure I would like it to be cheaper, but I'm not gonna whine about it if I can't get it for cheaper. Price is really only a concern for people that are in the middle of the road (and that's not a bad thing, despite this paragraph of mine initially reading as passive aggressive). Lastly, I would caution to you that Apple iDevices generally offer more performance than what their specs on paper would initially suggest. Mostly because their specs actually *are* impressive, just not on the surface to less technical people. Most people come to the conclusion that Android flagship devices are faster because they have more RAM and score higher in AnTuTu, but many Android OEMs are actually notorious for cheating in such popular benchmarks, and Android needs more RAM to keep the same number of apps open in the background than iOS. And Apple's specs are impressive because their SoCs are class-leading, and when you look at the nitty gritty technical specs of their chips, you see that they're actually unmatched by the likes of Qualcomm, MediaTek, and arm. Anyway, those are some of my thoughts. I won't be mad if you don't read it.
@@utubekullanicisi No, I have read your entire paragraph and you do make some excellent valid points. Also, do not be worried about being aggressive or whatever, because I understand that when someone is having a conversation online in text, usually the frame of mind of the reader may be to interpret things on the most negative side before just considering that the other person probably did not mean to be "aggressive, etc". I do agree, under the hood Apple's SOCs, especially with the recent M1 launch are at the point that they are extremely impressive. Dominating all other competitors with Desktop class performance in a Portable, clean, (but still expensive) package. But considering that pads are so powerful that they can do desktop-size tasks, it still is unfortunate to me to see that the iPad is not at MacOS yet. I really think that would be a great sweet spot. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Kullanicisi. :)
RAM works differently on Android and Apple devices (iOS, iPadOS, watchOS, etc). Because Android mostly runs technologies that use garbage collection (technique for clearing stuff from RAM), they actually require lots more RAM just to function without hiccups or slowdowns, whereas all Apple OS use reference counting, which immediately frees RAM as soon as any object is no longer in use and is A LOT faster than garbage collection while also requiring a lot less RAM. 4GB of RAM on an Apple device compares favorably and offers equal or better multitasking than 12GB of RAM on any Android device. 6GB of RAM on Apple devices compares favorably to 16GB of RAM on any Android device. So it's very likely you actually have worse multitasking performance on the S6 with 8GB RAM than you would have with an equivalent iPad, and it will be even worse now with iPadOS 16 which adds virtual memory to the OS, like macOS, which will make the RAM difference even bigger. There are many reasons Apple doesn't clearly advertise the amount of RAM on their non-Mac devices and it's because it's much more efficient; it doesn't make any sense comparing the RAM on Apple operating systems with Android, the numbers just don't match up. (Macs are just as efficient with RAM but users expect (and need) to know how much RAM laptops/desktops have, unlike on iPhone/iPad/etc)
@@untitledsurfer8503 That's complete bs, 4GB compares favourably to 12GB? LOL You really have no clue. I own several iPads (a dozen) with all sorts of RAMs and several Samsung tablets with RAM going from 4, to 6 to 8 and to 16GB. 4GB on iPad is at best (but still not as good) comparable to 6GB on Android. And for your information. Samsung have been using Swap for a while already (and you can set how much you want, up to doubling your RAM). 8GB RAM Samsung tablets, even without swap, keep things in memory almost as well as M1 iPads (and I have both). When or if you have a bunch of recent iPads and Samsung tablets that you use regularly you will see what I am talking about.
A few months before I switched to an Android phone I needed to decide whether to get an iPad or android tablet. I decided to go with the iPad because of all the good things I heard. Fast forward to now and I'm starting to regret that decision. Yes the iPad has good optimized apps but I'm regretting the choice for the same reasons I switched to an Android phone, android has sideloading, customization, and just more apps I'm interested in than the iPad.
@@GenMoviesOfficialHonestly even the Samsungs are better for that. Their aspect ratios are better for content than apps. The Tab S5e, S6, S7+, S8+, and S8 Ultra all have oled screens, which are not as bright as Apple’s but generally have a much more pleasing image imo.
I think this video needs a sequel. I'm a Tab S7 user, so I don't know how much different the Tab S8 is but I'm guessing not a lot. The Samsung Keyboard comes with split for dual thumb typing for landscape or floating for single finger/pen swipe. If viewing Dex as a supplement rather than a laptop replacement, it makes it pretty compelling. Dex is just a chromebook when paired with the keyboard folio, or even just a cheap Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. It's great for carrying around campus, typing up a quick email or working on Google docs in a laptop environment and not worrying about battery life at the end of the day. Connecting it to a external monitor is great if you want to do couch gaming with a Bluetooth controller. There aren't a lot of games that do utilize it, but there's one category that does: emulators. I've been running Dolphin and PS2 games off of it, and it's great. The tablet can also be used as a second screen, whether that be through Samsung's Second Screen functionality or the playstore app SuperDisplay, which works over USB. As it's Andriod, when support eventually does end its not hard to put a custom ROM on it, and I'm hoping someone is able to put Windows on ARM on it like the Xiaomi Mi Pad 5 has been. Edit - Also, for apps you didn't like the look of like Twitter, why not just use the website? It can be pinned to the homescreen, and works just fine. I understand it should be native, but it's been working alright for my year of use.
I wish it actually was a Chromebook instead. Chrome OS is a much more versatile OS that allows having a proper Linux environment and using desktop programms. A Chrome OS equivalent to the Surface would be fantastic.
I'm pretty sure most of the features you say are "not available" on the Android tablet have an app to enable that feature. That's the power of Android, having free apps (or cheap) for pretty much everything you need.
Universal control = Multi control. Airdrop = quick share, Sidecar = Second screen (but third party apps are better than either). Twitter has a perfectly optmized PWA app he does not know about, etc.
And even the samsung keyboard have floating and split mode that work better than the apple one, he is just and ifan who try to review samsung tab without looking for any information about it or how to use it , I currently using a tab s7 plus and I swear he have the worse review video about the tab s8
@@killl6883 really wouldn't be surprised that if the 120hz came unselected he wouldn't even know that the screen had it. Ppl used to the limiting apple OS's don't even look at settings anymore.
I think, the way Samsung Tab was shown here is through the lens of a long time apple user wanting to shift to android. If that is the case faults will show everywhere. I think, we should appreciate android tablets as what they really are. They may have the same form factor with the ipad but they function really differently, hence a difference on apps and priorities. Android tablets shine as the polar opposite of the ipad, of the walled garden, and of oppressive high cost low number of options from apple.
What are the priorities then if they are not properly designed apps, form-appropriate UI and a good selection of high quality apps for that form factor? If the priority is allowing experimentation that sounds fun for a hobbyist product like a RPi but not for mass-market consumables. It seems like android are trying to realign their priorities more like Apple, if that is the case will you be upset about it?
@@fraserembrey5676 well you are not wrong but the pc also allows you to do whatever. that is what i prefer with android. shure it may not be as polished as the apple stuff but you can do whatever you choose with it.
@@SimonBauer7 I guess it depends what stuff you choose to do. I like being able to access a lot of apps and have it be pretty stable. I can't code apps that I want to use and I certainly could never make them all. I don't really want to mess around with some of the customisations and the low-level ones I sometimes want to do are pretty impossible on both platforms.
@@fraserembrey5676 my priorities come with note taking and price where the samsung tablets outshine the ipads by a lot. Literraly bro i could never buy an ipad
1. You can do split keyboards for the Samsung tablets, try that before assessing the keyboard. 2. Use the edge screen for multitasking, the easiest thing I've ever used. Some people think it's a gimmick but it's a great feature that Apple should think twice about. 3. 5 minutes in and I'm out, reviewers nowadays don't know anything other than the one that they glorify, otherwise known as a golden brick.
The whole assumption that we must own a MacBook if we have an iPad is ridiculous. I really don’t see any added advantage. Damn, people are really out of touch about other use cases.
As somebody who one this video is frustraiting, it is so right in some regards but I can tell he's an Apple user an the research wasn't done properly: You can make the keyboard float, split it, resize it and more... also no mention of the free pen with Samsung, and how cheap the s8 has already gotten. And he didn't talk about the second screen feature that works with all Windows computers, Dex's docked mode and Samsung Universal Control clone, that is available on Samsung"s Galaxy Book2 Pro series (Yeas, it's an awful name) In short: Android tablets can better than iPads in a lot of ways, the problem is you need to know how to make them good, it's far from Apples out of the box and it works.
Funny how perfectly timed this came out. I just broke my Apple Pencil and I ended up ditching my iPad Mini 6 for my gathering-dust Tab S7. I love it. The software might not be the best compared to iPadOS, but the hardware and features really give Apple a run for their money.
I can get why you liked the software on android, Dex is far ahead of iPadOS in terms of multi tasking But how did you reach to the hardware part of the conclusion? Apple is generations ahead in hardware. Could you elaborate that part?
@@metallicafan5447 Other than their M1, apple is not generations ahead on hardware man. Especially if you consider their pricing. A friends friend of mine paid 300 bucks to get 16gb more ram on their macbook pro, take into consideration that most normal laptops offer removable ram you'd be saving around 200 bucks to just have more ram on your pc. There is nothing "ahead" about that. And the tablets don't really have mention worthy ram, storage and screen rez specs. The apps are just optimized for ipads compared to the millions of android tablets and phones out there.
I tried Dex on an external monitor hooked up to a keyboard and mouse. I tried typing a sentence in Word. I tried deleting it, and I could only delete... one... character... at... a... time.
@@macaddressI just tried it with it hooked up to my PC and there it worked. But I don't have a bluetooth kbm or a docking station to test it just with a monitor.
Not enough attention to the pen, i find it way better than the apple pen. The rubber tip is amazing and you don't have to buy or even charge it. It is a huge plus. It was not even mentioned in the price comparison...
@@37racso they did a price comparison, not mentioning it is kinda meh. And i find it perfect for normal browsing and navigation, is a really nice mouse substitute
10:17 I don't like iPad's restrictive iPad OS (deal breaker already). I don't like iPad's hilarious file management system or lack there of. I don't like that I cannot get access to iPad's folders when I connect it to my windows laptop or PC. I don't like that I cannot have app continuity/call and text/clipboard sharing/access my Galaxy phone in the iPad. I don't like the extra cost for the Apple Pencil. I don't like the iPad's ridiculous storage pricing. Oh and the iPad just learnt how to actually connect to external displays with the latest iPadOS version? Meanwhile we've using Dex on external monitors forever?
at 8:38 you missed that samsung includes their spen with that 699 price tag on the other hand you have to spend 129 extra on top 599 to get an apple pencil for ipad. so its relatively cheaper and also have higher refresh rate and storage.
I spent several months researching and playing with all the models of ipads both A and M series chips, as well as galaxy s tabs both 7 and 8 series. I worked on them on a scenario basis; what apps would i be using if i were to buy that tablet, as well as accessories, and how well I can be productive. Price wasn't a factor for the majority of the time. In the end, I chose the galaxy tab S8, it comes with a pen, it comes with a micro sd slot, i can transfer files easily. Most importantly, i was most productive with it, bc the new Android OS and One UI versions made it so much easier than the tab 7's and the ipads. I use it every single day, almost replacing physical notebooks. i was most comfortable with the pen too, latency is very low. Plus, Samsung offers way better discounts and deals too. Even without the deals and discounts I felt I was getting more of my money's worth than apple's. I was really close to getting my very first apple ipad. Maybe next time.
I mean if you're coming from a notebook, surely something like Samsung DeX, which is like a "Windows knockoff", will be easier to get accustomed to. The question is, should you continue with what you got used to, or try to be more open minded and get used to an interface that suits tablets more? Floating windows is a nice concept for those who prefer it on tablets, but along with that software makers shouldn't bring along all other disadvantages of desktop OSs and UIs to tablets as well. In my opinion Stage Manager on iPadOS 16 seemingly finds this balance the best. You do get floating windows and a desktop OS-like interface, but with just a swipe to the right you can bring back the traditional tablet user interface with the homescreen and fullscreen (or more simple splitscreen) apps, so you don't "boot into" a desktop mode like with DeX. But, it is understandable that you didn't choose iPad at that time because Stage Manager wasn't announced yet.
For me an ipad is not even an option. When I started university a few years back I ended up replacing my old laptop with the tab s5e and it made me completely change my mind on tablets. The 3 biggest reasons why are: 1. Expandable storage. Dont think I even need to explain this, there is no upside for consumers to not have it. 2. Dex. Having a pc interface just made school so much easier, also having mouse, keyboards, usb sticks and usb c docks just being plug and play is really nice. 3. Proper file managment. I had to transfer files 4 or 5 times a day back then and everything just worked. Apples file manager is the most pathetic one I have ever used, I really dont understand how people can tolerate it. There is of course more things like proper sideloading but these were the most important ones. I did recently try a new ipad air but it just didnt work well for my workflow, I dont see myself going back to an ipad again.
From watching this video, basically your biggest qualms would be that the "Mac/IOS centric" applications aren't available on Android? Of course on top of some other minor things. But wouldn't that just be an issue with Apple's closed wall garden approach to application development and dissemination? Of course, I do agree that for the performance and feature to the price, the iPads win on a landslide. When it comes to multitasking in the ipad vs android tablet, reviewers/writers need to first define what do they mean by good multitasking. Is it similar to the ones seen in Windows/MacOS/Linux? If so, then both tablets are far from perfect. I had premium iPads that kill apps as I was multitasking them. I do hope that in the future, we will reach a point where these devices all merge into one. Saves us the hassle of purchasing different devices.
No. The main issue is that most apps on Android are just stretched phone apps. He misses the iPad apps because most apps on iPad OS are tablet optimized.
Some points. 1. Keyboard has multiple ways to use it. Personally I use writing to type. But majority use split keyboard. 2. With calculating devices, add the cost of the s pen. Which comes in the box. 3. Multi Control is a thing. Started in 2015 as SideSync, it is just Universal Control.
Pricing changes a lot at least in Spain. For me, as an student, I could get the iPad for 628€ at Apple (discounts and taxes included). The Galaxy Tab on the other hand is 599€ at their website and already includes the S-Pen (the 2nd gen Apple Pencil adds 121€ extra to the iPad's price)
Yeah I really didn't like the video, it felt they didn't take it serious, I got the s8 over the air and even without factoring the price, got it with a free kb and the pen and it feels more sturdy on the hand, better screen looks better to me, you would need to compare it with the ipad pro, and I don't know about peninsular Spain but at least here on Tenerife when you take the price into account it's crazy
I think unless the Galaxy Tab is ridiculously cheaper (like 60% off the iPad's price), it's still worth getting the iPad over it. I don't understand people who don't care about lack of apps, everything being phone apps stretched to the whole screen, the huge performance gap between Android tablets and iPads, and pretty much lack of any software updates for Android tablets whereas there are 8-year-old iPads still getting software updates with new features
@@untitledsurfer8503 in 8 years that ipad will outdated. He'll even in 6 years. I'm typing this on my Tab s8 ultra, and I wouldn't trade it for an ipad if you payed me. Cheaper, more versatile, better screen, expandable storage, dex, included s-pen.... need I go on?
@@jamescassar5348 yeah it doesn't help your argument that you're typing on your Tab s8 and the text is all wrong lol it just validates what the video talked about the bad s8 experience
Yay! Incidentally was just binging all his older videos and immediately after finishing the Macbook M2 impression this video popped up. Keep up the good work with the channel, really love how it's unbiased with giving both the good and bad of Apple's product. (Made the decision to buy a Macbook Air M1, first Mac product in my life.)
@@macaddress there is a WhatsApp scam on 1 of my posts.. I hate grapple smack but it interests me as 1 day apple might build something us android users will like so I keep watching for that day. But please find my posts and look at the WhatsApp Message and warn ppl I did reply saying I don't do scams sorry lol but ya need to be aware. I love LTT n tech quicky and gamers nexus. Please warn ppl and remove the WhatsApp Messages
I replaced my iPad Air 2 back in the day with a Tab S3 because the fact that iPads back then couldn't even download a simple file off the browser just drove me insane it was like a big iPod touch, not a computer replacement. The Tab S3 had a full file explorer, browser, multitasking and back then the Spen was a better option. But as soon as apple added those features to the iPad I went instantly back since the lack of app support was really showing. Not to mention how incredibly badly the Crapdragon 820 has aged it took me 15minutes just to setup the google account on the tablet in 2020 and it had just ONE YEAR of software update"s", meanwhile the Air 2 has been supported for almost 8 years and still runs fine for simple tasks....
I appreciate Mac Address taking a swing at something like this, but it was pretty clear there needed to be more research involved or someone who knows how to use android os. A good portion of the missed features were just from being locked into the apple ecosystem. ex) "I missed universal control". if you didn't have and iphone, mac, etc and only had an ipad you wouldn't be able to use that feature either
Speaking as someone who currently has both Apple tablets from the Pro and Mini lines as well as Android tablets from both Samsung and Lenovo I still find myself using my Android tablets more often than not, the numerous optimized apps for iPads are great but the way certain things work at the OS level still frustrates me with iPads, whereas the same task on Android is just easier, coupled with the cost associated with Apple accessories and storage increases it just feels like I'm getting nickel and dimed to death, accessories on the Android side can be almost as bad but more tends to be included with the device, iPads are certainly great tablets and Android has plenty of shortcomings, but at the end of the day if I can only pick one, odds are it won't be an iPad
@@abdulaziz-kt5ih Two right off the top of my head. First, iPad OS file management for local content is a disaster. Second, split screen only works with a vertical split regardless of whether the device is in landscape or portrait mode, why can't they allow a horizontal split in portrait mode?
@@abdulaziz-kt5ih ipad os doesnt let you "break out" so to speak. you can run GUI linux on android via termux and vnc (termux acts as a server the vnc client app on the same tablet acts as display out) without rooting or anything. or many emulators or other free open source software is only available on android like krita (a great painting app) or supertuxkart (a mario kart style racing game with local and online multiplayer). also java minecraft with apps like pojavlauncher or mcinabox. on an ipad? dont even THINK about it. you have to basically complete a vodoo ritual to do any of this.
I feel like a lot of Mac Address videos lack informational substance. You spent so little time in the video (and probably in the preparation) on actually showing and comparing the tablets. I felt like there was more focus on the coffee shop than on the tablet.
I think you missed a lot there. As a simultaneous Samsung, Mac, iPad, Windows and Linux User, you really get to see how locked in you are on iOS. Especially the flexibility/customizability of android that actually makes you able to adjust/fix most of your complains you had. With 3rd Party software, I can combine Mac and windows and even android with relative ease and loads of functionality, tho iOS makes it really hard, to step outside of the ecosystem, especially because Open Source software has it hard to get on iOS (because App Store only etc.)(the reason most of my cross platform things don't support iOS). And also the Keyboard thing: Both keyboards you mentioned have customizable button sizes and there are hundreds of really good other options in the Play store with a 100% guarantee that there will be one, that you will find much better than apples approach. I could give you a bunch more reasons to think about if you want to, but this comment is getting a little out of hand. But I don't want to say, that your Video was bad, it just felt a bit biased and uncompleted.
The portable tablet game is looking good, now that more competitors are entering the foray, as a user of the 10.5" iPad pro myself, the mipad 5 is shaping up to be a real challenge
I'm a 2017 iPad Pro 10.5" user myself as well, and after seeing just how many frames that Tab S8 dropped while recording the screen, I don't have any plans buying anything other than the upcoming M2 iPad Pro as a replacement.
I own the Pad 5 and it's good for anything I do. coming from original iPad pro, the Pad 5's screen and speakers are much better, the performance is nice and android on tablet is looking great. I heard it's getting Android 12L and 13 as well.
I've been using the Tab S8 for a couple months now, and while I'm a little biased because I haven't used an iPad before, it is hands down the best laptop replacement ever. I use it daily for drawing, playing PS2 games using emulator, remote desktop, and light 3D modelling with Blender. The only real complaints I have so far are just the single USB-C port and yes, the tiny 11" screen. So far these are the workarounds to some issues mentioned in the video: To "fix" the portrait mode issue, go to Settings -> Advanced Features -> Labs, select "Auto rotate apps", find the desired app, (e.g. Instagram), then select either "App aspect ratio" or "Full screen". It's not a perfect solution but at least you stay in landscape mode. To address the terrible keyboard ergonomics, Samsung Keyboard has a Split keyboard mode that makes typing much more enjoyable using two thumbs. For desktop extension, well, it depends on how you want it done. DeX lets you connect to a vacant monitor, turning it into the tablet's second screen. Samsung Flow can mirror the tablet's screen to a PC in the same wifi network. Second Screen (doesn't work on all PCs) and SuperDisplay (need to shell out $10 for the full version) turn the tablet into Windows' second screen and pen display with working pressure. Some of these solutions are jank af, but hey, at least they work. For apps, I believe the Play Store has an alternative somewhere. :D
For me the best app for S8 we can download right now to improve user experience is Samsung's One hand operation+. I don't know why they didn't bake the app to the OS because it solve many of the complaints in this video. Also, for app like Twitter or Facebook, I prefer using Samsung Internet which look beautiful on the tablet so not really a dealbreaker like the video mention.
@@makasaro Totally agree with Samsung Internet! Built-in dark mode and support for ad blockers, what's not to love? Also, I would like to add SoundAssistant to the list of useful apps that should've been baked into the OS.
What a hypocrisy, you first criticise Samsung DeX for multi window system then appreciates "Stage manager". The point is both are meant to be used with a external monitor/screen.
You can use your Tablet as second screen when working with your laptop as well! The combination of windows laptop and s7 FE Tablet works fine for me and acts like a second monitor
I love that you are highlighting local businesses and the environment in the latest Mac Address videos. It gives them a great look and feel. I will always love LTT, but this laid back style is awesome!
One time I was traveling with my computer and a Samsung tablet, my computer stopped working and I was able to work one whole week with just a Samsung Galaxy tab S6 Lite in Dex mode. It obviously wasn’t the same thing, but it worked
Started watching this channel to support the whole LTT family (then I didn't even have/or had used any Apple devices). Thought at first I would dislike it. Now I have stayed for Jonathan and the whole team that have made this channel their own. Amazing work and I love all the content.
I'm excited for the upcoming iPad Os update. I've been consistently frustrated with little things about my iPad I wasn't with my old Android tablet. Mainly the files app is horrible on iPad currently. But this new update might fix my major complaints about the iPad. We'll see.
I think you missed some few but important features on the S8: 1. It's customizable because of Android--you can adjust the keyboard height which solves your problem 2. The S-Pen is included in the box! 3. Edge panel is your best friend for multitasking (drag and drop to split screen) 4. Samsung DeX is way better than iPadOS multitasking The only benefit of the iPad is. . .being a large Apple device for some specific apps, which not all people use, or if they do, shouldnt be a no brainer to look somewhere else than the iPad.
I would say DEX deserves a bit more credit. It may not be able to completely replace a laptop right now but when I left my laptop at home, I just plugged my S7 tablet into the USB C dock and had no problem using it for browsing, emails and Microsoft software. Great video otherwise and this channel is always a good insight into Apple for a non apple user.
DEX is meant to be used when the tablet is docked to a big external screen. You haven't done any research on this subject, have you? No wonder the video has so many dislikes.
I really wish the ipad mini had actual competition. I use a Samsung tab a7 lite to read manga and it's super slow. I wish there was a 8 inch tablet with a high end processor and good screen on the android side. I don't want to switch to an ipad because there doesn't seem to be an app like tachiyomi on ios, also I really don't want to have to pay so much for extra storage. I have around 400gbs of manga so really need a micro sd slot. Maybe I'll end up getting that lonovo legion 8 inch gaming tablet eventually, as it's the only thing that comes close to what i need specs wise.
I know that too. Maybe the Tab S8 lite could be a 8.3 Inch screen. But I feel like they'll eiether do the s6 lite design or make a cheap variant of their S8 Ulitra
Software development is the main reason I use a tab s8u over an iPad pro. Being able to leave my MacBook pro at home and still get 80% of my work done is a huge benefit to my life. Dex makes react development a breeze and there are plenty of tablet-tailored applications for what I do
This is true - I'm so incredibly disappointed I still can't develop software on my iPad. Even a proper functional editor that runs the software on a server is a glitchy hassle (VSCode Remote)
For those of you who are still disappointed that reviewers refuse to show off Dex, here is a channel of somebody who uses it as a main device: ua-cam.com/users/MRPtechvideos
This feels unfair, u haven't covered everything about the tab S8. What I learned from this video is just how much ur used to using the iPad and you've overlooked alot major features of what makes the Tab S8 so great.
When I switched from a Samsung tablet to an iPad and started using the Instagram and Snapchat on my iPad I realised that some apps aren’t optimised for ios either, unless you are an illustrator or your work consist of audio or video production I think the galaxy tab is the one to get, btw I bought the iPad 9 because of the price to performance it offers but in future I’m looking forward to shift back to android because ios isn’t working for me
I've had almost every iPad made, switched to the new S8 tab plus and love it the mouse and keyboard support is top notch. Dex is awesome it feels truly like a desktop replacement.
I'm an Android Tablet owner. I have an S7+, before that I had an iPad 2 that I held on to for the longest time. I get why iPads are still good, especially with the whole ecosystem built around Apple devices. I didn't really expect to ever own the Samsung tablets, but after being in the market for one, I'm glad I did. I understand the form factor usage, I mainly use my tablet for reading, media consumption, and other things I don't want to use my phone for. I have my computer for programming and various other things I do both for work and play. My phone, I pretty much try to avoid using when I don't need to, and that's probably why I'm still running a Note 9 this long. (I'm stubborn for an SD card capable phone which is now looking impossible) However, the Samsung tablets have been quite amazing. Also the recent updates from Android 12 have ruined multi-tasking IMO. It was actually better under Samsung's control when they had it as part of their features that wasn't in Android officially. It was so much easier to implement, but sadly like most things that come to Android later after Samsung users have been enjoying them, they usually get a little worse in the implementation because Google doesn't want to seem like they straight rip off Samsung or something. That's a shame. I'll leave with one more thing, outside of what both tablets do, I have enjoyed tinkering with Android tablets. If you're willing to explore outside the Play Store (and you really should, there's many communities out there) install F Droid (no rooting required), then install a command line tool like Termux, and you can get Linux distros onto your tablet that work so well. Now when you open your tablet, you can choose between a real 2 in 1 device that goes from Android to your Desktop of choice almost, and enjoy applications on it you couldn't run before. Android is great like that, but I understand you also don't have that with every common user. It just will work off the device without having to jail break or anything. P.S. Great video, and I am not a salty Android tablet user. I promise, I respect the video diving into it and trying it out. I know why iPad is a great device, and I still will buy one some day just because I miss having it, but I am also not in a rush to jump back.
- the default keyboard has split mode - the pen is included - also, samsung stuff is almost always discounted, accessories (cover, keyboard) are also much cheaper and often discounted - the S8 can also be used as a second screen for your notebook - yes, it lacks some apps, but I do those things (insta, twitter, etc) on my phone anyways, I use my tablet for actual media or actual work (uni), not doomscrolling
The main downsides of this review is apps availability and compatibility. Both of these things depends only on the developers of the apps. It's not depends on Google, nor Samsung, to be able to use them. As a software developer, I'm the one to fault if an app not suitable for tablets, not the hardware or manufacturer. As for budget, sorry, 128GB + pen+ expandability worth 100$ more then the late to update iPad
I really think if you want an android tablet, your best option is a nicer 2-in-1 chomebook. They can run android apps, full web apps, and great battery life. To me android is a phone OS and chromeOS is more like iPadOS (not entirely though.)
I haven't had a chance to try ChromOS in a tablet form factor. My concern is that ChromeOS was originally designed to be a light weight laptop OS meant mainly for web browsing. Android at the very least started off touch first.
@@macaddress Very true, but I think I'ts worth a shot though looking at it from an apple user point of view. I used to be a chromeOS fan before I moved to apple, from my use, a 2-in-1 or tablet chromebook feels more ipad-y than an android tablet. Also, most android tablets I've tried (in the mid range to be fair) have been really bad
I had the original Nexus 7 and I loved it. It was also my first tablet. A few years later I bought the iPad Air 2 & forgot about android anything for several years. Last year I bought a 10" android tablet with good specs, etc. It works well and it games well. Has a keyboard that magnetically attaches, etc etc. By itself, it's a good machine... But the OS is still horrid compared to the polish & finish of iOS (or iPadOS these days.) It just can't compare. My *new* 10" Android tablet currently has a dead battery (for months now,) and I'm using my old Air2, because it's just so much better. At some point I want to get an iPad Pro, but unless something drastically changes with Android, I don't see me going back anytime soon.
I actually watched this video and am writing this comment on my old second gen Nexus 7, it's certainly long in the tooth, but is still usable with Android 11, I dug it out of my old tech box the other day and it still works fine with a new ROM, old tech doesn't mean useless, just takes a bit more effort
@@AgniWatchLugun Before I bought the new Android tablet, I did dig out my old Nexus 7. I loved that thing.. Sadly it no longer worked properly (extremely slow / stuttery / hangs.) I always said if Google came out with a new Nexus lineup, I'd buy it again just to check out "vanilla" Android. I also used android based phones for years until I got my first iPhone (the 6s.) After a couple years I got the S7 Edge when it was new - loved it, but it lasted only about a year before it gave me severe trouble and eventually wouldn't even boot.. Got the iphone XR after that and stuck with iPhone since.
@@soundguydon Yeah, I have the same problem on some of my old Android phones, the old hardware and software doesn't go well together after a while, some of the stripped down ROMs work better and it's easier to find custom firmware for the more popular tinkering devices like the Nexus/Pixel lines or OnePlus devices, it is quite a bit harder for some other brands, in this regard iPhones and iPads certainly work better with their long software support lives However, I've gone through quite a few iPhones starting from the 5 and 5s, as well as Android phones from Samsung, LG, Google, Motorola, OnePlus and even enthusiast brands like Nextbit and Essential and in my opinion there have been plenty of duds from everyone, but I still always come back to Android for my daily drivers, I can do what I want more easily on my OnePlus 7T Pro and LG V60 than on my iPhone 12 Pro Although, if I really want to get nostalgic, a deep part of me still misses my old Nokia Lumia phones
I think that Johnathan skipped a lot of points that makes S8 a good table, he still has a mindset of using what's given by the manufacturer and not trying to dig deeper into the OS. I don't own either ones but planning on buying an S8 soon since I'm a windows user, having a longer display than the iPad makes more sense when you use M&K or using the tablet as an external monitor, not to mention the aspect ratio of the S8 (16:10) is closer to cinema's aspect ratio (16:9), the iPad aspect ratio is more square (4:3) hence more black bar on top, meaning smaller image. not to say Johnathan doesn't have a point, the iPad truly has better performance and optimization than android and their apps is way better, but let's remember that once you use S8 as a graphics tablet by connecting it to a PC as an external display, it's capability goes way up. Sure, iPad can do the same with sidecar but since S8 has longer display, you'll have more space to put the layer window without intruding too much into drawing area if you're using Photoshop or other drawing software.
I bought a used Tab S7 for school and it was the best decision I ever made. It was hardly used and came with accessories. The Ipad is nice, but relatively new android tablet for $300 is nearly unbeatable.
I don’t care for DEX or Stage Manager, I still see the iPad as a single-focus-oriented device; heck, I don’t use Slide Over at all and I’ve got an M1 iPad Pro. I can see the appeal of using it as a full computer, don’t get me wrong, but I never saw it as a desktop/work machine/productivity machine replacement… and then, maybe that’s my own fault. I don’t mind multi-tasking on a fully-supported external monitor. I do mind multi-tasking in tablet mode, Be it Samsung/Android or Apple/iPadOS. It just seems so limiting.
My thoughts exactly. Multitasking on an external monitor would be great, but on an 11in screen just ain’t it. Many simple tasks are just too clunky on the iPad for me to do them efficiently. I love my M1 iPad Pro it a great illustration tool, note taking tool, and recreational device, but it will never replace my desktop or laptop when “real work” (unless that work is illustrative) or research needs to be done.
I got a tab a8 for free with my s22+ and I use it a whole lot more than I thought. The multitasking is better than I expected and I don't really have a need for the extra screen thing or the world's perfect keyboard
I honestly prefer an android tablet. I don't mind the Apple walled garden on my phone because I want things to just work but for a tablet I want to tinker, side load apps, customize things to my liking. Half of the apps I use daily don't have an iPadOS equivalent, at least not without jailbreaking which is pretty difficult these days. Also the amoled screen on my Galaxy Tab S6 is amazingly good for content consumption!
No one would believe that Linus produced and directed this video but just look at the credits. Kudos to Linus for taking this direction with Mac Address
I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 and I use it mostly for media consumption. It's perfect for that - I often prefer it to using a TV if I'm alone. I also use it for emulators, which works seamlessly out of the box with apps available on the Google Play Store.
Yeah this almost review type video was a bit lacking for me, completely misses out on media consumption and aspect ratio for that, and seems to trip and stumble over some of the details in my opinion.
I have never owned an apple product (except an ipod nano gen5 I think). This is the first video I've seen from the Channel and I gotta say: It has this specific style that I really enjoy. I won't become an apple user, but defenitly a subscriber
Normally like MacAddress videos, even as an Android user, however this video is clearly so biased, didn't set out with any intention to be impartial/ disregard previous experiences and retreading and reinforcing old stereotypes and perceptions of Android tablets - you could make a counter argument or workaround (change the default keyboard!) to every issue raised here Literally no research done before this video on customisability of Android. Clearly the gripes of someone coming from iOS - "I don't know how to use the UI", "the keyboard layout is different", "the app I currently use aren't available or dont looklike they do on iOS" etc - it'd be the exact same if you were going from Android to iOS
Let me start by staying I got my first iPad back in 2010 so was a very early adopter of tablets. Anyway, as an Android phone user since 2010 (Motorola XT720) and an Android tablet user since 2011 (Acer Transformer TF101) for my use cases (mostly reading and media consumption) using the same system on both phone and tablet always made a lot of sense. I have had iPads from time to time but none of the apps I used gave a better experience on the iPad and many gave in fact a far worse experience since dealing with files were so restricting.
@@Daniel-dj7fh But people want a Mac that also has a touch screen! (Which is what the Ipad basically is after getting a desktop M1 chip! BUT it does not have the software support that it needs to be what people want it to be.
So I use a galaxy tablet s4 as a windows/android user, I'm a consultant who travels a lot. I don't know what I'm missing from ipad os but I find the user experience in my ecosystem great. I use the surface duo as my portable workstation as the multitasking on that device is amazing! AFAIK nobody in the UK is setting up in a coffee shop, we work in crapt train seats, in the back of taxis and the like so setting up a laptop or tablet workstation is inconvenient. My tablet has expandable storage which let's me download lots of netflix, crunchyroll and Spotify play lists which makes it better on the go for media consumption in my mind. When I get to my hotel with WiFi I can use gamepass or if there's rubbish connectivity its an AMAZING emulation device. I use a USB c to c plug to use my Tablet as an extra monitor for my work laptop. Only downside is that Samsung stopped producing the pen for my tablet and so I'm SOL for one note on the go 😩.
This does not consider other work flows. You can't arbitrarily Chuck an Android tablet into your iOS and iPhone ecosystem. Just like how you didn't consider other work case scenarios and features. Plus you sound pretty condescending.
Yeah, that is my issue with this channel. Put little research into products, praise Apple's products, and condescend any other brand and those who like those brands.
Absolutely ANY talk about prices falls short as soon as you consider the SPen being EMR and included in the bundle, plus the Keyboard being a regular in the Tab S deals, along with actual price deals. We are talking of upwards $500 in just extras, and arguably necessary extras for "PRO" devices, + a lot in raw price with other deals. And yeah, the screen may be small on the regular S, but mind you that's the smallest one, and you've had proper external display on it since long ago so that point was also cheap dude. There's also a few other points which have been said by other comments so I'll not bother. The IPad has its own charms, and they´re big, I don't deny you that, but just do proper research and analysis if you want to do a "review". "I used this device I have no hope for against my will for just 10 days, come hear my totally not biased review!", you see the problem? Riley had it coming, and it wasn't only because he ignored Dex, the guy just oozes tablet hate so why bother doing a video? Yours is a little bit more neutral, but still falls short. Actually you know? Just bring an actual user of the featured device to share their experience or their feedback with the issues and questions you may have while producing these videos and they'll be so much better, but just stop it with the "I tried X thing I dread for X minutes/days to see if they're not bad anymore!" videos.
I think what you've suggested is exactly what we need. No more of this "I came from this platform I'm exceptionally biased towards.... I hate this thing that isn't on my preferred platform." Having a dynamic discussion between those with more experience in the platform and those with questions about the platform would be far better.
As a user of the samsung galaxy tab s7, I quite disagree with your point about dex being bad. Indeed, I use primarly my tablet trough dex that I've learned to use. It is often more capable on some aspect than my windows pc, for example for putting things in the foreground, or taking note with the s pen while watching youtube. Heck, another thing you forgot to mention is how you can connect the tablet directly to a monitor, and it will be the closest thing to a desktop you can find in the tablet market. Plus, and I'm using it, you can have a linux subsystem on android that you can't have on a ipad due to apple limitation. finally, You can use the s7 and S8 screen as a second screen for any windows computer (granted you find the parameter to activate it, which is quite well hidden) through the official samsung way or through the superdisplay app (the later being better IMO)
As both a Tab S8+ and iPad Mini owner, I massively prefer my Samsung. The apps may not be as optimized, but the correct portrait mode split screen, app overlays (calculators should be able to be freely placed and minimized over math homework), along with multi profile support (I go to two schools, both of which use many of the same apps, but different log ins) makes it a great education device. Also the iPad mini has pretty crap hardware and software for its price. Storage and RAM are on par with phones costing $100, and the screen is worse than many $200 Android phones. As other reviewers noted, the UI is also awful due to terrible scaling on the Mini. I'm hoping that Google's Android tablet push works, as ultimately it's obvious Apple needs competition
I think the comparison should be compared to a iPad Pro 11"/12.9" vs S8+. after all the S8+ is one of Samsung's flagships. While the iPad mini is not Apple's flagship and has many shortcomings.
I don't know what you're talking about with iPad mini having crap hardware. Your mini might have bad hardware if it's old but the new minis are extremely fast. They have the same chip as the iPhone 13 Pro, just clocked ever so slightly lower & with 30% less RAM. You're not gonna find a more powerful tablet at any price (excluding x86 tablets). The UI is also not awful, from the beginning the whole purpose of the existence of the iPad mini was to ship the same iPad software as the big model, in a smaller form factor, so the touch targets being smaller is expected (just that some icons do get a little too small from time to time for some people for, say, apps in the dock if you have many apps in the dock). Combine that with the fact that the mini has traditionally had a more pixel dense screen than bigger iPads (324ppi vs. 264ppi of the bigger iPads), and it's clear why the interface is shrunk. In the end it still ends up being an iPad (that is, way more capable than an iPhone in terms of multitasking), while staying 'mini' for an iPad. The screen is also pretty decent, it's your standard Apple IPS panel, and Apple's IPS LCDs are known to be downright the best LCDs in the industry, with far better color control, minimal backlight bleed, and very low reflectivity compared to cheaper LCDs and OLEDs on the market. iPadOS not supporting multiple users or profiles and Stage Manager not being supported on the mini are definitely true weaknesses though.
@@utubekullanicisi I have the iPad mini 6 base model which cost $500. The chipset is fast, but that about all I can say. The iPad has aggressive ram management to compensate for how much they skimp on Ram. That means my Kindle app doesn’t sync in the background as soon as I’m back on Wi-Fi (it does on my Windows computer and Android tablet), so I have to actively open the app to enable other devices to show what page I’m on. All the settings are correct the Amazon troubleshooting guide. Also web pages frequently get killed, causing them to be fully reloaded. That’s probably from Apple suspending background app ram usage to make the low amounts they ship with more palatable. The lack of 120 Hz and high brightness is a much bigger deal to me than total color accuracy. When it’s a struggle to see text outside (happened to me just today as I was waiting for the train), that’s bad for an iPad focused on portability. It also makes scrolling through manuals, web pages, etc much worse than on a lot of cheaper devices due to how much of a difference 120Hz makes over 60 Hz. Also, I don’t care about higher PPI if the software can’t compensate for it, especially when all iPads are retina. Webpages usually require me to zoom in just to read text, the pop out keyboard is way too small to comfortably swipe (I’ve made upwards of 30 errors writing this, due to how cramped it is), and a lot of stuff just looks off. If Apple actually had competition in the space, I doubt they would have let these issues go on for so long.
For at casual user the iPad is absolutely the best device in the class hands down. For kids elderly etc. it is perfect. If you need/want full access to the filesystem and want to install open source 3rd party apps, that is better optimized than the official ones, want to connect to IOT, that you have hacked together or develop and run an app without being forced to go through the appstore to even get it on the device, then get an Android device.
As someone who uses a Samsung phone and Linux on my desktop, I never even considered not buying an iPad when I needed a new one. I use mine for running live sound for bands on mixing consoles that have iPad apps for remote control. Most of them have Android apps as well but I know for a fact all of them will support the iPad and I won't have an issue.
Samsung has something like universal control if you have a galaxy book on you, other than that yes they're definitely behind apple in a lot of ways but for a casual user like me who likes the rubber tip of the S pen more and only uses a tab to read pdfs and maybe annotate them which by the way samsung notes is more than good enough for and the fact there's an instagram app for android tabs makes them a better buy for me.
I absolutely agree with the S Pen feel. My family has a 6th Gen iPad and a S7 FE. The S Pen feels fairly good when writing with it, not as good as an actual pen, but good enough. The Apple Pen just feels like hammering against glass and has no resistance. Not sure if I could adapt to that. To be fair, both tablets have protective glasses on them, so maybe the iPad feels better without one.
@@Gibom hey i feel the same way when i first tested the apple pencil. some people told me to get the paper cover to make it feel more "paperlike"..i tried that too and it still was just OK...but maybe it was because i've done my art stuff on the note series and due to monetary reasons, i find workarounds a lot to fit my workflow with any device i get.
crazy how macadress videos don't look like your normal LTT videos. Props on the team here
I prefer the relaxed style.
Each channel has its own style.
They can experiment a lot more easily on the comparatively lesser-viewed channels. Trying something new that ends up ticking off the 400k Mac Address subscribers is a lot less bad for the overall bottom line than ticking off the almost 15 million LTT subscribers, for example.
First few videos I watched I wasn’t even aware that it was part of LMG. Huge fan of this channel.
It’s funny you say that since linus actually directed this one
I feel like "Our tablet can run Instagram in a decent resolution" should be a marketing slogan at this point.
HaHa! It just might work!
i remember using perfectfit to full size screen Instagram.
Now most apps don't work on iOS 9 and the browser is borked since it never got updated to support the newest webkit, ES6/7 thus practically making it useless.
I hope open web advocacy makes apple allow 3rd party browsers, I never thought... I'd say this but I'll take Chromium over no web browser at all.. O.O
@Xyran And....The Xiaomi Pad 5 Pro is only exclusive to China only-
Mac Address is honestly such a focused show.
Where LTT is written in a way for mass adoption (not a bad thing), the way this channel feels is like watching the movie “Her”. It not just the mac related stuff. its the script, the presenter, the open feel of the environments. In such a vapid environment of garnering as much views as possible like some fastfood, this feels like one of those niche small italian places that serves like 10 things. Limited selection but whats there is damn near perfect
God I love that movie so much, totally agree!
I'm surprised Brandon is not behind this video's shooting, because it's definitely LTT's experimental filming channel ! 😬
I really feel like this channel captured the feeling I had with some of the earlier LTT reviews where it's scripted with less jokes or at least more subtle and has this subtle casual feel. I'd love to see them combine this style with all the scientific data and the wider variety of devices on LTT. Not to say the current video style is bad but sometimes it feels like its not connected with changing scenes and hosts every few minutes.
did you seriously just compare this to Her or was that supposed to be a joke?
@@danielarmstrong2144 can't wait for the update where we can ERP with Siri
Would've preferred a little more research, you can literally use the Galaxy Tab S7/8 as a secondary display for a Windows device. Also, Dex on a 12"+ screen is genuinely really usable, it's hardly smaller than some laptops
Universal control is not only a secondary display but the ability to keep the iPad as an iPad and still be able to drag and drop files between the 2 devices, depending on the workflow it could be more useful than just having 2 screens for the mac
@@RENX5 aamsung's universal control also allows for drag and drop
@@RodrigoFerreira-bs6hd but are the files saved on the tablet after you've done it or does it work as a second display? What I mean is, you can drag a file from the Mac and drop it on the iPad even if you're not using it as a display (but I don't know if that's the same with Samsung)
@@RENX5 yes. You can drag and drop between two different sustem running their own operating system. This is different from sidecar
@@RodrigoFerreira-bs6hd I see, that's cool then!
Tab S8's have a built in feature where you can use them as a second display for your windows pc. It's wireless so there are some lag issues but it's still very usable for everyday tasks.
Is it available for the S7 and S6 models?
stability depends on the quality of the wifi. For example in my case, it worked fine on non loaded wifi network
I have iOS and Android and apple and windows OS’s on my computers and I can confirm that this feature does technically exist on Samsung tablets however it is not a native feature of windows, have to setup and install some shit but once it’s done it’s good to go now downsides this is same as it’s upsides. It uses your centralized LAN network off your router. This is both a good thing because it makes it more universal it can even work more machines as long as on same network however downside is this is far more prone to lag spikes, disconnection issues and inherently because of how it’s presented over a shared network has potential to be vulnerable to some man in the middle attack.
Apple’s solution is far more seamless, clever and elegant. Somehow the computer realizes the iPad is next to it in real-time and which side it’s on to auto populate where your screen position is for moving shit to the iPad but also in background hidden it spawns another closed network that the iPad attaches to and is dedicated between the iPad and the mac. All without you touching anything just once the mac realizes the iPad is close enough they somehow bond together over a hidden dedicated network between them and even if don’t use universal access or sidecar or whatever but in the event you do it’s instantly ready because it’s already bonded and no downside to doing it this way for apple. Downside for us however is it’s more locked down and doesn’t work properly without authentic hardware running the OS likely because of some dependencies.
The iPad has Sidecar which works both wired and wireless and has absolutely zero lag, the response time is literally 1ms and quality is pretty much perfect (you need a microscope to notice compression artifacts), and guess what? Apple makes ad-hoc connections so the amazing wireless performance doesn't change on a bad network
@@untitledsurfer8503 side car is good. I use it very often. I’m also heavily invested in the apple ecosystem. But you’re taking rubbish.
Do not say you need a microscope to notice compression artefacts. Is it subtle, sure. Is it so impossible to see that you need a microscope, not even close. The image is strongly compressed using lossy compression. Don’t hyperbolate your points, it makes them seem fake and unrealistic
I used be very anti DEX but after having a few business situations where I needed multiple apps open and didn't have my laptop available while away, I realized how much of a game changers DEX can be. I could have done the same work on my phone or iPad but it would have taken forever with constant swipping.
The keyboard complaints are not relevant if you adjust it to your liking in settings
Because apple user doesn't familiar with customization at that level.
I honestly didn't know anyone typed on the full screen keyboard like it's a laptop. I just use the floating keyboard and swipe type with my thumb. Apple users often seem so picky and ridged that if the smallest thing works differently than they're used to, it means it's garbage.
@@btbarr16 I don’t think that’s Apple users, that’s everyone
You see it in both directions equally, but you notice it more by the competitor because of confirmation bias
Have fun with discontinued software updates after a year 😂
@@osahinmartinez3371 huh? You referring to ipad, Samsung tablets or laptops? Samsung commits to 4 years of updates, apple allows 5-6 years and windows will update so long as your specs support it
By the way, for 4:31 Samsung introduced a split-keyboard like the one that the Z Fold3 has by default. It's much more comfortable to type on.
Yeah it show how little research he put into this video. I get that this is an applesheep channel but still this wasn't fare to the samsung tab at al.
And it's better in German too😅 3 more letters = 3× the typing comfort...
even before then, Microsoft has Swiftkey which has split keyboards, even on phones.
The keyboard height is also adjustable in the settings btw
Even Gboard has split layout.
A few things to note:
1. Dex is very very very far from perfect and it doesn't work well with their own keyboard cover somehow, different apps behave differently which sucks. But it's a "desktop" mode. In the "touchscreen macbook" video u said yourself desktop interface is for precision input aka a pointer device, but here u are use your fingers and said resizable windows doesn't work. Of course a "computer replacement" without keyboard and mouse doesnt work. Look at tablet mode on windows, its not good.
Another point about dex, though not exclusively through it, is outputing to a large monitor with the correct aspect ratio. Again this and the dex feature itself is not even close to as useful as samsung says, which it should be given dex is 5 years old, but you are not comparing the whole of it to the ipad.
2. For the app orientation part, though again far from perfect and quite hard to find in the settings, there's an option to choose how the app (like Instagram) should behave if it doesn't support landscape mode. It can either fill the whole screen in landscape or show as portrait with large black areas on both sides.
3. The landscape on-screen keyboard is trash but if you are not using a physical keyboard, i dont see anything stopping you to type in portrait mode. Landscape keyboard doesnt make sense on any platform as it just blocks half the screen.
4. Speaking of multiple devices, there is second screen feature which turns your tab into a wireless display, and it works for basically all windows computer. For someone that even considers to buy an android tablet in the first place, instead of ordering an ipad straight from apple, he has a higher chance of using a Windows pc instead of a mac, and doesnt have that much apple device, thus a useful feature. (I am aware of the sidecar and universal control, which are superior, but i think there are features missing in this comparison).
Im not saying Jonathan intentionally makes the samsung a worse tablet, actually although i do own one, i think the ipad is a better choice for most people, apps behave much better, performance is more than 5 years ahead, in general things just work on ipad. But i think as an apple person presumably for a very long time, Johnathan does not adapt to the (unnecessarily) complicated android settings and features very well and hence does not offer a complete comparison.
Honestly I think he made zero effort in researching for the video
Second screen is a blessing while using a windows laptop. I could have my laptop charging on one end of the room while I can continue to work on my tab s7 with full functionality of my laptop. DEX is also really good with a keyboard, I use it during lectures since it's lighter than carrying my laptop while still being very functionality for those purposes. I feel like he's looking into the tab series as an apple person, but as someone who uses PCs and androids all the time, the tab series is honestly really good; it's the bridge connecting the two.
He's supposed to shill apple to appease the sheeps rather than presenting a well researched thesis.
@@7654321220 okay, Fan Boy. If he wanted to he would have claimed that iPads support mouse and keyboard as well. That wasn’t the point. He never said the desktop replacement was made for touch. Yes, he showed it that way because his point of a tablet is the portability and ready for use hardware. Hence the whole coffee shop theme. Would you bring a monitor, mouse and keyboard to a coffee shop? No. And for every other environment a laptop is much more useful anyways. This was also mentioned in the video. Don’t even start about Android vs. windows.
Nothing about this had to do with apple, mate.
Point 2 is how iPhone apps behave on iPads by default. The question would be, why do I ask users to search for settings instead of making it default and give them the option to turn it off?
Point 3 is just a sad excuse. “Just don’t use landscape” shouldn’t be a thing for a platform that claims user freedom as their main selling point.
As someone watching tech videos and writing comments like these you are already light years deeper into the topic than most android users. People that will NEVER go as deep into any settings. Therefore the out of the box experience matters and that’s what this was about.
There's two big advantages/uses for android tablets that were missed here. You mentioned universal control but completely failed to mention that multiple apps exist to allow your android tablet to be a plugin second monitor for any PC or mac. They can also be used as Bluetooth displays through built in Windows functions, but I think this is less useful than plugging in a single usb-c cable and having a true secondary display that often outperforms most portable displays on the market. You did mention the usefulness of expandable storage but I think you completely skipped on what that can be used for. In my case I use my Galaxy tab S6 lite as a movie storing beast for airplane rides, and general travel. My only other- however more niche gripe- is the lack of emulation options for the iPad without jailbreaking. I think an android tablet with a small Bluetooth controller can replace a Nintendo switch for most people, everything from the Wii downward is easy to emulate and contains a catalog of games that arguably outperform the switch.
Oh and one other thing that I think is completely underrated, the Samsung notes app is legitimately the best note taking app I have ever used, and I say that with great pain usually hating Samsung's design philosophy of tossing every feature at a problem without reason. Their notes app is unrivaled, editing large PDF's with ease, many amazing tools for quick highlighting and shape formatting among other things. And its somehow not bloated- its seriously a gem, if I didn't hate the rest of their software I would use as many of their products as possible to take advantage of the app.
universal control exist, it's called multi control, works with Samsung laptops
Honestly samsung notes my dawg. Like it will be the literal best thing. It works well with so much. And the good part is that you can sideload it on non samsung pcs and sync with samsung tablets. it has the capability to emulate pdfs but also ms word and xcell and also do so much for making the note taking experience seamless among differnet file formats. The stylus support for the software is by far the most fine tuned stylus support on any literally on any software i have ever seen in the whole world. The best of all is that you can integrate it with microsoft365's one note and acess features like live time updates and relaunching instances of the app for using different notes at the same time. I am a student and it is the most excellent and fine software ecosystem for literally free of cost for note taking, to the point that i am willing to use as samsung phones and tablets untill I graduate college. This video did no justice, gave no credit to the single best feature of the galaxy tab: Samsung Notes which is preasent along the whole galaxy tab lineup.
Seriously correct on that Samsung Notes part. I installed it on my Surface because it is just THAT good.
Yeah, this is the MAIN reason why I have a Samsung s8 even tho I have a macbook. I feel limited because if I went for an iPad, the seamless ecosystem would be a fine feature to have, but I REALLY can't write for long using their apple pencil. It's painful.
They just want to shill apple. They conveniently gloss over tons of uses for Android tablets.
I think we need to remember that customizability wise android tablets are always going to be better, but this channel is mainly focused for people who want to have their tech working for them, not everyone wants to spend their time learning how to tinker. And believe me, what might be simple to us enthusiasts can be difficult for another person.
True. Just….true. I’ve noticed that out of all of my relatives and family members, I’m the only one tinkering with my phone.
It’s funny that even though a phone is more personal item than most other things we own, we tinker with it the least.
@@renwasaman8840 i'm definitely an enthusiast, but i refuse to tinker with my phone *because* it's so personal. i need this to work 100% of the time flawlessly, i dont care about jailbreaking it or installing beta updates or anything like that
@@renwasaman8840I understand where you’re coming from, but personally, I find that the phone is kind of the only thing I don’t like to tinker with. I’ve used flagship android phones for a really long time. Started with the Galaxy S and ended on the S21 Ultra. And my biggest gripe with it was the lack of consistency. So I’ve switched to an iPhone and while yes I’ve lost some of the features I liked, I’ve been having a much more stable and care free experience.
BTW Horst, you could actually modify the size of the keyboard in the settings. Not only that, but you could also use the split keyboard UI if you want to!
But that would have required him to do more than 30 seconds of "research" which clearly there was no interest in doing.
@@nickthaskater yep lol 👍
@@nickthaskater He is biased and didn't explore the whole things
@@nickthaskater what did you expect?!
I think the point was to showcase how bad the default behaviour was.
Good review but as a user of both OS, I disagree about DEX (not about the using it on the tab itself - agree with that -good points made!). That Sammy tab does display over USB-C, so as a start-up charity owner, rather than spending initial budget building a 2nd PC for our new office to go with the one I use at home, I ended up using my Samsung device as my main workhorse - and surprisingly it worked out quite well! If I'm out and about I'm using my phone as normal, emails, script reading, staff workboard apps etc... when I'm in the office I pop it on a stand on my desk, plug in a single USB-C to my monitor, and I get a desktop with an auto syncing wireless keyboard and mouse... I LOVE my iPad, amd i agree the OS is more "tablet robust" - but honestly I'm only using it more as a wireless monitor for our cine cameras and drones these days plus a bit of gaming (whereas before thats what android was for)...
Yeah, I think he was a bit shortsighted with DeX. He says that the screen is too short to use it, but there's two use cases where that isn't a issue. One, as you said, is tethering to an external monitor and using the tablet as a desktop tower, and two, using it with the new S8 Ultra, which is massive at 14 inches, as big as some notebooks.
He's also basing the DeX review entirely on the S8 base model. When the S8+ and S8 Ultra exist with larger screens available to use DeX on.
The irony of this is that the iPads with M1 APUs could replace a desktop computer entirely since they're essentially using desktop hardware. DEX is exactly what I always envisioned as the future of mobile computing. A simple and intuitive system that switches modes depending on the use case just makes sense. Now that mobile hardware is reaching desktop class performance, it's actually kind of bizarre seeing Apple treat their tablets like second screens rather than actual computers. It's especially ironic considering their "what's a computer" ad from a few years ago. I genuinely believe that Apple should just put MacOS on the iPad and have it run in a tablet mode that's essentially iPadOS until you dock it or choose to enter desktop mode. It would make them invaluable to creatives, incredibly powerful for students, a smart investment for businesses, etc.
Also Riley was reviewing the S8 ULTRA, not the normal Tab S8 so the screen size is SIGNIFICANTLY bigger and Dex makes A LOT more sense.
as a person who actually benefits from using Dex, I love streaming videos to the big screen at the correct aspect ratio. Having a tablet and computer all in one is badass. I can hook a touch screen monitor to Samsung through USBC and get full screen touch screen flawless. Good luck ever doing anything like that with the overpriced under quality IPAD. Enough kissing Apple's ass.
We can really feel your Apple mindset coming through in this one. You make a couple great points, but are still caught up in the "if I don't like it, I just have to deal with it" headspace. No, this is Android, just change it. Don't like the keyboard? Open the settings menu, there's 3 by default. Don't like the screen size? Get the bigger one. If you cover Android again, please make a list of your grievances with the device and google them, there might already be options in the device that you're missing. (this seems to become a thing for lmg covering the tab s8)
LMG seems to be focused on quantity over quality in many of its product reviews. Dunno if it's an outcome of becoming too big or just the pressure of churning lots of videos just to maintain their revenue and contractual obligations with partners.
but macadress isn't just quantity. It sound more like you don't like apple. Android for tablets isn't good right now and you can do less it with it on a production standpoint.
@@PropritacusLP Dunno if your reply was to my comment or to Jakob's. UA-cam needs a better way to show that. Assuming you were replying to my comment - I agree that iPads are far superior to Android tablets. My comment was on the quality of LMG videos in general (on the last line by Jakob). I feel that it's slipping in the level of details they miss out on which could be easily added with some extra research.
@@PropritacusLP no matter which one you prefer, it's not an excuse to put incomplete or wrong information out there. And yes, I do not like Apple for the exact reason I put in my comment: If you don't like the way it works, that's it. But that isn't android. There's no reason to bash the keyboard if you could have easily changed it, without installing any apps or anything, it just comes natively with multiple ones preinstalled. Same with the screen size: Don't get the 8 inch version and then complain that the tablet is just 8 inches etc.
@@PropritacusLP That's the Apple fans point of view. Millions of people love Samsung tablets for what the use it for. And from a production standpoint a Windows or Mac is far superior to an iPad
You can get all apps to auto rotate via Samsung Labs settings and you can choose the aspect ratio you want for them. And Samsung also has their version of universal control called Smartview. Also the Samsung ecosystem between galaxy devices really makes the tab compelling as all your photos, messages and contacts are synced across. Plus you forgot to mention that another huge difference between getting the ipad air and galaxy tab is that the galaxy tab also has the 120hz screen and included s pen with lower latency than the apple pencil going for it as well as much better integration with office 365. The galaxy tab is focused around a different sort of productivity to the iPad.
Their version of Universal Control is called Multi Control, Smart View is a whole other thing.
@Xyran true. the mipad (its original name and i refuse to call it Xiaomi pad) is like a cheaper ipad pro clone
As a secondary gadget Ipad is the best option with its 5 to 7 years of software updates. I doubt any android tablet could reach to that.
@@gordlord6738 the flagship Samsung tablets and phones from 2021 and on were just given 5 years of guaranteed updates
@@gordlord6738 why saying something when you haven't done any research?
Love that we have an LTT channel for us frumpy artistic types! The aesthetic is 10/10
They definitely ride that line between classic LTT content and a lifestyle type channel. I'm not going to lie, i was on the fence about Jonathon as a presenter initially. He's become quite the staple and is absolutely killing it. I now find myself really enjoying when he drops in on other LTT Apple content to give his twist on it.
Not long ago my laptop broke down and the repairs would take quite a long time. So I had to use my Tab S6 Lite (their cheapest offering with a stylus) as my main computer, along with a Bluetooth keyboard, while travelling.
I brought this tablet because I wanted to read textbooks and ebooks, and take written notes with the s-pen and for that purpose even the cheapest stylus-tablet they had was nice. As a student i didn't really need more. But i didn't keep much expectations going in.
For writing my lab reports, DeX was Honestly a game changer for me. I had 5 pdfs and two browser tabs open, along with Word, and honest to god I'd have spent two hours longer on the assignment if I was unable to alt-tab between windows or window-snap to edges. DeX has things other than being able to Move and Resize windows, but that alone was the most useful takeaway from my experience then.
For most apps, I did what I do on my PC. There's no good Twitter or Facebook app for desktop so I just use the Browser version.
Between browser websites and resizable windows, I didn't really miss my laptop, or even run into the limitations very often. (Once I got used to the screen size and using the stylus as the mouse)
Exactly this. Why would I even use an app if I have great browser version? I can add it to home screen in browser and it basically behaves like an app, but without it running and the background and collecting whatever data it can from mobile. Who would install twitter as an app on desktop? This is how you actually get to use it as desktop app in tablet UI.
This review is pain to watch. It is like all people at LTT do not consider use cases that people can use tables, because they themselves do not use it at anything else then work with photos, YT, buying stuff and social media. Then again, most people use it like that. :D
@@JournalOfKlowledge I guess there is a reason why they posted this video on a separate channel... there is no way a video with this skewed of a message would have made it through on the main channel. I'm still not sure how this video made it through on this channel, even considering it is an Apple channel, it is extremely painful to watch.
Same! I got the same device to read and annotate pdf files, but also to be able to write without carrying around my beast of a laptop, I absolutely love this tablet! I've doen so much with it: read so many paper, written essays and even drawn maps! All on a student's budget! Best purchase I've made in a while
Dex is nothing like Stage Manager. Dex can basically run any linux application (that supports Arm). It really can be a desktop replacement - focus on desktop, not laptop. Just connect it to a dock with keyboard, mouse and a monitor :)
try that on an IPad, you can also develop natively on Android, so that it could actually be a Laptop replacement for many
DeX does not "run any [ARM] Linux application." It's simply a launcher/UI. You would need something like Termux/Andronix to run Linux apps, which does not require DeX (although DeX enables much nicer scaling on external displays).
@@nickthaskater right, you need apps to run linux applications, but the point is that you can do so. I am very sure that you can't on ipadOS
@@f.b.1665 yea, just saying it's unrelated to DeX. Rather, it's a function of Android itself.
@@nickthaskater My point is, that dex is a great feature which adds even more value to these basic functions of android :)
It’s a bit unfair to compare the whole apple ecosystem to just an android tablet. You should have tested how well it worked with a Samsung phone and a windows laptop if you’re going to discuss sidecar.
Here comes the ramble... This is not an apples to apples comparison, pun intended. Let's take the PREVIOUS gen iPad air 4, 600 dollars with 64gb and 4gb of ram and NO celular options available and compare it with the also PREVIOUS gen Samsung Tab S7. iPad has 60hz display and Samsung has 120hz, 4gb ram vs 8gb ram Samsung, 64gb of storage vs 128 samsung, 4 speakers on Samsung vs 2 and the air... That's head to head, now let's talk about the things Tab S7 has that Air 4 doesn't: Included and more capable S pen, fingerprint unlock, Storage expansion with SD card, celular option included at no extra price, Dex mode extends the display, on air 4 it mirrors it, only in the new M1 iPad it also extends it. Also, S7 is Always on sale, you can get it for 400 bucks, even less... If you want the S7 Plus it comes with an AMOLED display, there are ZERO ipads with AMOLED...So yeah, competition is here, that's not even an argument in most people's minds, but in America Apple has SO much market share people like your father can't even consider getting an Android tablet without being some abnormal thing for you... I'm not trying to hate here, just get some perspective...
And if all those hardware, quality of life improvements and price differences can be overlooked by and Apple fanboy in order for him to choose the iPad, maybe it's reasonable to understand Android guys overlooking an app not being available or not opening in the right orientation for all those benefits.
while I agree on the overall premise that iPads blow Android tablets out, I feel like a majority of your complaints were unfocused. Basically "I'm used to how iPadOS works, so I think it's better"
Not really compelling points.... there's a ton of actual reasons why iPadOS is simply better.
good production quality, but there was essentially zero substance in this video.
I agree
Exactly how I felt. I was seriously scratching my head when Jonathan said he missed GarageBand on the S8.
Also tons of reasons why iPadOS is simply worse.
@@AGuy-vq9qp eh not really lol
@@moxlolol OK now sideload an app.
I think you missed the full concept of Dex. Dex works with wired or wireless streaming to a TV or monitor, making it a true Android desktop.
The big issue with Dex is lack of compatible apps.
Yeah it was a bit painful to watch him use a touch screen then complain it didn't work well, a bit of a disappointing video for me, which is a first for this channel.
Compatible apps? I use DeX literally every day. I don't recall the last time I encountered an app that wasn't compatible.
@@nickthaskater I haven't used Dex in nearly a year, since fall or maybe early winter. Hopefully they have finally gotten developers to start adding it in, but I have literally over a hundred apps on my Galaxy S21, and of the 50+ apps that I've tried last year, or previously on my S9, maybe half even launched in Dex mode, and not all of them with full support, even a few Samsung apps not supported, at least fully.
As of last year, Samsung apps were okay on Dex, but mostly productivity apps and some browsers beyond that, but it sounds like I'll have to start playing around with it again.
An artist on a budget. The included S pen on a tab S7 for a price of under $800 was the selling point for me since I had a budget. (Plus the screen size, expandable storage, and the fact that I owned an android phone.) If I wasn't on a budget at the time, I definitely would've gone the iPad route since I own a Macbook. I do have regrets, but not that I could've chosen any differently. But also maybe, the fact that I'm new to the Apple ecosystem is also a heavy factor.
edit// First off, if you're looking for a tablet as an artist, check out Brad Colbow. He does a lot of in-depth reviews on tablets both iOS and Android to help make your decision.
Secondly, replies on why I couldn't have just chosen the iPad Air M1 or why or how $800 can be a budget price... or whatever else strange comments there are below. I'm an artist who deals with 2d work, not 3d so not applicable to me whatever problems come with that. The iPad Air M1 wasn't out yet when I bought my Tab S7. And I'm not recommending for anyone to go Android. I was just sharing my experience and why I made the decision that I did. Also, though I know Procreate is a really great app, it's not the end all be all, especially for those who don't like to buy their apps for their first run-through. I think, if you're trying things out, go the cheaper or free route and see how you work first. AND the tools don't make the artist though they do help a lot. However, knowing how you work and what you like is what is really key to workflow.
Relatable. I just got an M1 Air a few months ago and been eyeing an iPad since. However, the storage options are frankly a rip-off and the price of the Pencil is too far. And I don't intend to migrate to iPhones anytime soon, so maybe the Galaxy tab is a good option for me too.
what software are you using to draw?
@@matthewoyan what do you think the galaxy tab is going to give you better because you own an android?
@@matthewoyan Same same! I've been wanting that iPad but just that pen price is not justified for me yet. lol I know that other artist stand by it now but when you're on a budget, it's not a choice. Hopefully, we'll both get to a point where we can jump ship OR android apps can match iOS.
There is a critical thing you have to consider: what creative apps are available on android vs iPadOS? Procreate, Vectornator, Adobe Fresco/Photoshop/Illustrator, and affinity photos/designer are all nowhere to be found in android, and those apps are all extremely useful for artists, plus the lack of performance on android tablets is just going to drag you down when you’re working in demanding apps, such as nomad sculpt, this 3d sculpting app requires a lot of performance, especially when applying lots of post processing and working on high poly count models, and the SD 8 gen 1 in the Tab S8 ultra is so slow that Chinese android phones can beat it in performance, Snapdragon is just not keeping up with apple silicone at all, they can’t even beat last gen intel mobile chips used in the surface pro tablets. The only exclusive drawing app that are actually useful for artists on android is krita, and unfortunately that app currently is just a bare bone port from pc with interface designed for only desktops, it is very unoptimized for touch, and the app on pc is also unoptimized in terms of performance, I don’t expect it to perform any better on a tablet that performs lower than a current gen android phone, and if you want a tablet below $800, there is still the iPad Air M1 to choose from.
You are right in making this video...in most of your points. I purchased my Samsung S6 8Gb RAM and 256GB of storage for these reasons
- better price for more storage
- more ram for better multitasking
- micro sd expansion that allows up to (I think 2TB- but fact check that)
- I was shopping during black Friday and Apple did not care about giving me a good deal (the deal was just 100 dollars towards the next Apple product purchase) not $100 off the tablet.
- I was able to purchase the tablet at Samsung at 430 just being the best price all-around at the time, (not to mention the apple iPad with the same specs was MUCH more expensive still)
- Lastly, I find that the android operating system gives you much more control and shows you more information at all one time For example it actually tells you without even going into settings what Bluetooth device you have connected. Apple's interface is honestly just too big and blocky, with too many things to tap on to change one setting.
@@JustAGamer70, You do understand that when ios, and iPad OS runs out of system memory the other applications actually stop running until you go back into them right? Also, my budget was originally 300$, but after realizing I would need to spend more for what I wanted, I pushed my budget by 150, still Apple's lineup did not line up with what I wanted. A big influence was the fact that I wanted a lot of storage to keep pictures and videos and download as many applications as I like without feeling limited by a measly 64GB or even 128 is not enough these days. Thank you for commenting.
The "shows you more information at all time" is a balance and preference thing. People whose minds are more aligned with Apple's way of thinking tend to prefer a UI that shows you less information at a time if it means it's going to look less cluttered and more visually clean. Android people tend to think otherwise. Different strokes for different folks, although we must all try to stay open minded and look out for what the other person is doing as much as we can, because our preferences also change over time and if you don't stay nimble and get too attached to your way of doing things, you might turn it into a personal thing and think people who don't do things the same way you do it are stupid. You can also see what BT device you're connected to without going into Settings, but as you said you need to tap on more things to see that.
People that have a strong preference (having a strong preference isn't equal to being ignorant) for iPad over an Android tablet (or vice versa) don't really care about the price, they just want an X and are not in the market for other things / the other thing. If I don't see a discount for the iPad, I'm not gonna buy anything else. Sure I would like it to be cheaper, but I'm not gonna whine about it if I can't get it for cheaper. Price is really only a concern for people that are in the middle of the road (and that's not a bad thing, despite this paragraph of mine initially reading as passive aggressive).
Lastly, I would caution to you that Apple iDevices generally offer more performance than what their specs on paper would initially suggest. Mostly because their specs actually *are* impressive, just not on the surface to less technical people. Most people come to the conclusion that Android flagship devices are faster because they have more RAM and score higher in AnTuTu, but many Android OEMs are actually notorious for cheating in such popular benchmarks, and Android needs more RAM to keep the same number of apps open in the background than iOS. And Apple's specs are impressive because their SoCs are class-leading, and when you look at the nitty gritty technical specs of their chips, you see that they're actually unmatched by the likes of Qualcomm, MediaTek, and arm.
Anyway, those are some of my thoughts.
I won't be mad if you don't read it.
@@utubekullanicisi No, I have read your entire paragraph and you do make some excellent valid points. Also, do not be worried about being aggressive or whatever, because I understand that when someone is having a conversation online in text, usually the frame of mind of the reader may be to interpret things on the most negative side before just considering that the other person probably did not mean to be "aggressive, etc". I do agree, under the hood Apple's SOCs, especially with the recent M1 launch are at the point that they are extremely impressive. Dominating all other competitors with Desktop class performance in a Portable, clean, (but still expensive) package. But considering that pads are so powerful that they can do desktop-size tasks, it still is unfortunate to me to see that the iPad is not at MacOS yet. I really think that would be a great sweet spot. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Kullanicisi. :)
RAM works differently on Android and Apple devices (iOS, iPadOS, watchOS, etc). Because Android mostly runs technologies that use garbage collection (technique for clearing stuff from RAM), they actually require lots more RAM just to function without hiccups or slowdowns, whereas all Apple OS use reference counting, which immediately frees RAM as soon as any object is no longer in use and is A LOT faster than garbage collection while also requiring a lot less RAM.
4GB of RAM on an Apple device compares favorably and offers equal or better multitasking than 12GB of RAM on any Android device. 6GB of RAM on Apple devices compares favorably to 16GB of RAM on any Android device. So it's very likely you actually have worse multitasking performance on the S6 with 8GB RAM than you would have with an equivalent iPad, and it will be even worse now with iPadOS 16 which adds virtual memory to the OS, like macOS, which will make the RAM difference even bigger.
There are many reasons Apple doesn't clearly advertise the amount of RAM on their non-Mac devices and it's because it's much more efficient; it doesn't make any sense comparing the RAM on Apple operating systems with Android, the numbers just don't match up.
(Macs are just as efficient with RAM but users expect (and need) to know how much RAM laptops/desktops have, unlike on iPhone/iPad/etc)
@@untitledsurfer8503 That's complete bs, 4GB compares favourably to 12GB? LOL You really have no clue. I own several iPads (a dozen) with all sorts of RAMs and several Samsung tablets with RAM going from 4, to 6 to 8 and to 16GB. 4GB on iPad is at best (but still not as good) comparable to 6GB on Android. And for your information. Samsung have been using Swap for a while already (and you can set how much you want, up to doubling your RAM). 8GB RAM Samsung tablets, even without swap, keep things in memory almost as well as M1 iPads (and I have both). When or if you have a bunch of recent iPads and Samsung tablets that you use regularly you will see what I am talking about.
A few months before I switched to an Android phone I needed to decide whether to get an iPad or android tablet. I decided to go with the iPad because of all the good things I heard. Fast forward to now and I'm starting to regret that decision. Yes the iPad has good optimized apps but I'm regretting the choice for the same reasons I switched to an Android phone, android has sideloading, customization, and just more apps I'm interested in than the iPad.
@@GenMoviesOfficialHonestly even the Samsungs are better for that. Their aspect ratios are better for content than apps. The Tab S5e, S6, S7+, S8+, and S8 Ultra all have oled screens, which are not as bright as Apple’s but generally have a much more pleasing image imo.
@@UProductions457ipad screen sucks they should just provide OLED screens
I think this video needs a sequel. I'm a Tab S7 user, so I don't know how much different the Tab S8 is but I'm guessing not a lot. The Samsung Keyboard comes with split for dual thumb typing for landscape or floating for single finger/pen swipe. If viewing Dex as a supplement rather than a laptop replacement, it makes it pretty compelling.
Dex is just a chromebook when paired with the keyboard folio, or even just a cheap Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. It's great for carrying around campus, typing up a quick email or working on Google docs in a laptop environment and not worrying about battery life at the end of the day. Connecting it to a external monitor is great if you want to do couch gaming with a Bluetooth controller. There aren't a lot of games that do utilize it, but there's one category that does: emulators. I've been running Dolphin and PS2 games off of it, and it's great.
The tablet can also be used as a second screen, whether that be through Samsung's Second Screen functionality or the playstore app SuperDisplay, which works over USB. As it's Andriod, when support eventually does end its not hard to put a custom ROM on it, and I'm hoping someone is able to put Windows on ARM on it like the Xiaomi Mi Pad 5 has been.
Edit - Also, for apps you didn't like the look of like Twitter, why not just use the website? It can be pinned to the homescreen, and works just fine. I understand it should be native, but it's been working alright for my year of use.
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I wish it actually was a Chromebook instead. Chrome OS is a much more versatile OS that allows having a proper Linux environment and using desktop programms. A Chrome OS equivalent to the Surface would be fantastic.
I'm pretty sure most of the features you say are "not available" on the Android tablet have an app to enable that feature. That's the power of Android, having free apps (or cheap) for pretty much everything you need.
Universal control = Multi control. Airdrop = quick share, Sidecar = Second screen (but third party apps are better than either). Twitter has a perfectly optmized PWA app he does not know about, etc.
@@_Digitalguy PWA lmao
@@GianniLeonhart works great
And even the samsung keyboard have floating and split mode that work better than the apple one, he is just and ifan who try to review samsung tab without looking for any information about it or how to use it , I currently using a tab s7 plus and I swear he have the worse review video about the tab s8
@@killl6883 really wouldn't be surprised that if the 120hz came unselected he wouldn't even know that the screen had it. Ppl used to the limiting apple OS's don't even look at settings anymore.
I think, the way Samsung Tab was shown here is through the lens of a long time apple user wanting to shift to android. If that is the case faults will show everywhere. I think, we should appreciate android tablets as what they really are. They may have the same form factor with the ipad but they function really differently, hence a difference on apps and priorities. Android tablets shine as the polar opposite of the ipad, of the walled garden, and of oppressive high cost low number of options from apple.
What are the priorities then if they are not properly designed apps, form-appropriate UI and a good selection of high quality apps for that form factor? If the priority is allowing experimentation that sounds fun for a hobbyist product like a RPi but not for mass-market consumables. It seems like android are trying to realign their priorities more like Apple, if that is the case will you be upset about it?
@@fraserembrey5676 well you are not wrong but the pc also allows you to do whatever. that is what i prefer with android. shure it may not be as polished as the apple stuff but you can do whatever you choose with it.
@@SimonBauer7 I guess it depends what stuff you choose to do. I like being able to access a lot of apps and have it be pretty stable. I can't code apps that I want to use and I certainly could never make them all. I don't really want to mess around with some of the customisations and the low-level ones I sometimes want to do are pretty impossible on both platforms.
he showed a comparable android tablet cost more than ipad… the cheap one are unasable for more than a weeek
@@fraserembrey5676 my priorities come with note taking and price where the samsung tablets outshine the ipads by a lot. Literraly bro i could never buy an ipad
1. You can do split keyboards for the Samsung tablets, try that before assessing the keyboard.
2. Use the edge screen for multitasking, the easiest thing I've ever used. Some people think it's a gimmick but it's a great feature that Apple should think twice about.
3. 5 minutes in and I'm out, reviewers nowadays don't know anything other than the one that they glorify, otherwise known as a golden brick.
The whole assumption that we must own a MacBook if we have an iPad is ridiculous. I really don’t see any added advantage. Damn, people are really out of touch about other use cases.
That coffee shop owner was so cool to let you film in their store and also film them making the coffee!!!! :D
I kept wishing he’d take care of his own trash/empty cup! Maybe that’s not a thing in these fancy shops?
@@progenitor_amborella you leave those kind of cups behind on the table.
As somebody who one this video is frustraiting, it is so right in some regards but I can tell he's an Apple user an the research wasn't done properly: You can make the keyboard float, split it, resize it and more... also no mention of the free pen with Samsung, and how cheap the s8 has already gotten. And he didn't talk about the second screen feature that works with all Windows computers, Dex's docked mode and Samsung Universal Control clone, that is available on Samsung"s Galaxy Book2 Pro series (Yeas, it's an awful name)
In short: Android tablets can better than iPads in a lot of ways, the problem is you need to know how to make them good, it's far from Apples out of the box and it works.
Funny how perfectly timed this came out. I just broke my Apple Pencil and I ended up ditching my iPad Mini 6 for my gathering-dust Tab S7. I love it. The software might not be the best compared to iPadOS, but the hardware and features really give Apple a run for their money.
How did you manage to break it
I can get why you liked the software on android, Dex is far ahead of iPadOS in terms of multi tasking
But how did you reach to the hardware part of the conclusion? Apple is generations ahead in hardware. Could you elaborate that part?
But how the heck can someone break an Apple pencil unless it was intentional?!
@@loki.8435 They can crack if you drop them on a hard surface, that might be it.
@@metallicafan5447 Other than their M1, apple is not generations ahead on hardware man. Especially if you consider their pricing.
A friends friend of mine paid 300 bucks to get 16gb more ram on their macbook pro, take into consideration that most normal laptops offer removable ram you'd be saving around 200 bucks to just have more ram on your pc. There is nothing "ahead" about that. And the tablets don't really have mention worthy ram, storage and screen rez specs. The apps are just optimized for ipads compared to the millions of android tablets and phones out there.
Isn't Dex supposed to be used with a Monitor? I would say as that it is better than iPadOS.
I tried Dex on an external monitor hooked up to a keyboard and mouse. I tried typing a sentence in Word. I tried deleting it, and I could only delete... one... character... at... a... time.
@@macaddressI just tried it with it hooked up to my PC and there it worked. But I don't have a bluetooth kbm or a docking station to test it just with a monitor.
@@macaddress I use DeX on a daily basis. Can't say I've ever had that issue.
Not enough attention to the pen, i find it way better than the apple pen.
The rubber tip is amazing and you don't have to buy or even charge it. It is a huge plus.
It was not even mentioned in the price comparison...
Not everyone wants or needs a pen. It's a nice-to-have but not much more than that to most people. I agree though that they could have mentioned it.
@@37racso they did a price comparison, not mentioning it is kinda meh.
And i find it perfect for normal browsing and navigation, is a really nice mouse substitute
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I don't like iPad's restrictive iPad OS (deal breaker already).
I don't like iPad's hilarious file management system or lack there of.
I don't like that I cannot get access to iPad's folders when I connect it to my windows laptop or PC.
I don't like that I cannot have app continuity/call and text/clipboard sharing/access my Galaxy phone in the iPad.
I don't like the extra cost for the Apple Pencil.
I don't like the iPad's ridiculous storage pricing.
Oh and the iPad just learnt how to actually connect to external displays with the latest iPadOS version? Meanwhile we've using Dex on external monitors forever?
iDont:
at 8:38 you missed that samsung includes their spen with that 699 price tag on the other hand you have to spend 129 extra on top 599 to get an apple pencil for ipad. so its relatively cheaper and also have higher refresh rate and storage.
This assumes people want to buy the stylus, which most people don't.
I spent several months researching and playing with all the models of ipads both A and M series chips, as well as galaxy s tabs both 7 and 8 series. I worked on them on a scenario basis; what apps would i be using if i were to buy that tablet, as well as accessories, and how well I can be productive. Price wasn't a factor for the majority of the time. In the end, I chose the galaxy tab S8, it comes with a pen, it comes with a micro sd slot, i can transfer files easily. Most importantly, i was most productive with it, bc the new Android OS and One UI versions made it so much easier than the tab 7's and the ipads. I use it every single day, almost replacing physical notebooks. i was most comfortable with the pen too, latency is very low. Plus, Samsung offers way better discounts and deals too. Even without the deals and discounts I felt I was getting more of my money's worth than apple's. I was really close to getting my very first apple ipad. Maybe next time.
I mean if you're coming from a notebook, surely something like Samsung DeX, which is like a "Windows knockoff", will be easier to get accustomed to. The question is, should you continue with what you got used to, or try to be more open minded and get used to an interface that suits tablets more? Floating windows is a nice concept for those who prefer it on tablets, but along with that software makers shouldn't bring along all other disadvantages of desktop OSs and UIs to tablets as well. In my opinion Stage Manager on iPadOS 16 seemingly finds this balance the best. You do get floating windows and a desktop OS-like interface, but with just a swipe to the right you can bring back the traditional tablet user interface with the homescreen and fullscreen (or more simple splitscreen) apps, so you don't "boot into" a desktop mode like with DeX. But, it is understandable that you didn't choose iPad at that time because Stage Manager wasn't announced yet.
@@utubekullanicisi You also have to spend 800€ to get a Stage Manager tablet that hasn’t cheap build quality
@@gigalodon14 What's wrong with the iPad Air mentioned in the video?
@@fraserembrey5676 The iPad Air bends really easily under a small amount of pressure. Definitely wouldn’t want to carry it around a lot
@@gigalodon14 Isn't the iPad Pro the same, its thinner and lighter than the iPad Air too
For me an ipad is not even an option. When I started university a few years back I ended up replacing my old laptop with the tab s5e and it made me completely change my mind on tablets.
The 3 biggest reasons why are:
1. Expandable storage. Dont think I even need to explain this, there is no upside for consumers to not have it.
2. Dex. Having a pc interface just made school so much easier, also having mouse, keyboards, usb sticks and usb c docks just being plug and play is really nice.
3. Proper file managment. I had to transfer files 4 or 5 times a day back then and everything just worked. Apples file manager is the most pathetic one I have ever used, I really dont understand how people can tolerate it.
There is of course more things like proper sideloading but these were the most important ones.
I did recently try a new ipad air but it just didnt work well for my workflow, I dont see myself going back to an ipad again.
From watching this video, basically your biggest qualms would be that the "Mac/IOS centric" applications aren't available on Android? Of course on top of some other minor things. But wouldn't that just be an issue with Apple's closed wall garden approach to application development and dissemination?
Of course, I do agree that for the performance and feature to the price, the iPads win on a landslide.
When it comes to multitasking in the ipad vs android tablet, reviewers/writers need to first define what do they mean by good multitasking. Is it similar to the ones seen in Windows/MacOS/Linux? If so, then both tablets are far from perfect. I had premium iPads that kill apps as I was multitasking them.
I do hope that in the future, we will reach a point where these devices all merge into one. Saves us the hassle of purchasing different devices.
No. The main issue is that most apps on Android are just stretched phone apps. He misses the iPad apps because most apps on iPad OS are tablet optimized.
@@GayDingo That is certainly an Issue, and I hope google would standardized the tablet experience for developers and users.
Some points.
1. Keyboard has multiple ways to use it. Personally I use writing to type. But majority use split keyboard.
2. With calculating devices, add the cost of the s pen. Which comes in the box.
3. Multi Control is a thing. Started in 2015 as SideSync, it is just Universal Control.
You can use your Samsung tab as a wireless monitor too, it's one of my main usecases.
or via usb c if you want no lag. works insanely well
@@SimonBauer7 I fidnt know wired works, how do i do that?
Pricing changes a lot at least in Spain. For me, as an student, I could get the iPad for 628€ at Apple (discounts and taxes included). The Galaxy Tab on the other hand is 599€ at their website and already includes the S-Pen (the 2nd gen Apple Pencil adds 121€ extra to the iPad's price)
Thanks, Doggie Doggie Sanchez.
Yeah I really didn't like the video, it felt they didn't take it serious, I got the s8 over the air and even without factoring the price, got it with a free kb and the pen and it feels more sturdy on the hand, better screen looks better to me, you would need to compare it with the ipad pro, and I don't know about peninsular Spain but at least here on Tenerife when you take the price into account it's crazy
I think unless the Galaxy Tab is ridiculously cheaper (like 60% off the iPad's price), it's still worth getting the iPad over it. I don't understand people who don't care about lack of apps, everything being phone apps stretched to the whole screen, the huge performance gap between Android tablets and iPads, and pretty much lack of any software updates for Android tablets whereas there are 8-year-old iPads still getting software updates with new features
@@untitledsurfer8503 in 8 years that ipad will outdated. He'll even in 6 years. I'm typing this on my Tab s8 ultra, and I wouldn't trade it for an ipad if you payed me. Cheaper, more versatile, better screen, expandable storage, dex, included s-pen.... need I go on?
@@jamescassar5348 yeah it doesn't help your argument that you're typing on your Tab s8 and the text is all wrong lol it just validates what the video talked about the bad s8 experience
Yay! Incidentally was just binging all his older videos and immediately after finishing the Macbook M2 impression this video popped up.
Keep up the good work with the channel, really love how it's unbiased with giving both the good and bad of Apple's product.
(Made the decision to buy a Macbook Air M1, first Mac product in my life.)
Hope you enjoy it!
@@macaddress there is a WhatsApp scam on 1 of my posts.. I hate grapple smack but it interests me as 1 day apple might build something us android users will like so I keep watching for that day. But please find my posts and look at the WhatsApp Message and warn ppl I did reply saying I don't do scams sorry lol but ya need to be aware. I love LTT n tech quicky and gamers nexus. Please warn ppl and remove the WhatsApp Messages
I replaced my iPad Air 2 back in the day with a Tab S3 because the fact that iPads back then couldn't even download a simple file off the browser just drove me insane it was like a big iPod touch, not a computer replacement. The Tab S3 had a full file explorer, browser, multitasking and back then the Spen was a better option. But as soon as apple added those features to the iPad I went instantly back since the lack of app support was really showing. Not to mention how incredibly badly the Crapdragon 820 has aged it took me 15minutes just to setup the google account on the tablet in 2020 and it had just ONE YEAR of software update"s", meanwhile the Air 2 has been supported for almost 8 years and still runs fine for simple tasks....
I appreciate Mac Address taking a swing at something like this, but it was pretty clear there needed to be more research involved or someone who knows how to use android os. A good portion of the missed features were just from being locked into the apple ecosystem. ex) "I missed universal control".
if you didn't have and iphone, mac, etc and only had an ipad you wouldn't be able to use that feature either
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Came here to say exactly this. Ipads overall are better for now, but they missed a lot of android ecosystem features that they showcased on the iPad
It's amazing how MA videos have super high production value! The walking around with tablet, coffee ordering, just so good! 💙
If only the research put into it was a 10th as much.
What you mean most are outside with natural lighting ussing the same camera and editors?
Speaking as someone who currently has both Apple tablets from the Pro and Mini lines as well as Android tablets from both Samsung and Lenovo I still find myself using my Android tablets more often than not, the numerous optimized apps for iPads are great but the way certain things work at the OS level still frustrates me with iPads, whereas the same task on Android is just easier, coupled with the cost associated with Apple accessories and storage increases it just feels like I'm getting nickel and dimed to death, accessories on the Android side can be almost as bad but more tends to be included with the device, iPads are certainly great tablets and Android has plenty of shortcomings, but at the end of the day if I can only pick one, odds are it won't be an iPad
This is the actual unbiased opinion that this video sorely needed.
true. with ios/ipados i just felt too limited while on android i never felt like i couldnt do something from an os perspective
Can you elaborate further with examples?
@@abdulaziz-kt5ih Two right off the top of my head. First, iPad OS file management for local content is a disaster. Second, split screen only works with a vertical split regardless of whether the device is in landscape or portrait mode, why can't they allow a horizontal split in portrait mode?
@@abdulaziz-kt5ih ipad os doesnt let you "break out" so to speak. you can run GUI linux on android via termux and vnc (termux acts as a server the vnc client app on the same tablet acts as display out) without rooting or anything. or many emulators or other free open source software is only available on android like krita (a great painting app) or supertuxkart (a mario kart style racing game with local and online multiplayer). also java minecraft with apps like pojavlauncher or mcinabox. on an ipad? dont even THINK about it. you have to basically complete a vodoo ritual to do any of this.
I feel like a lot of Mac Address videos lack informational substance. You spent so little time in the video (and probably in the preparation) on actually showing and comparing the tablets. I felt like there was more focus on the coffee shop than on the tablet.
Couldn't agree more. What did you expect from an Apple focused channel run by a media group?
I think you missed a lot there. As a simultaneous Samsung, Mac, iPad, Windows and Linux User, you really get to see how locked in you are on iOS. Especially the flexibility/customizability of android that actually makes you able to adjust/fix most of your complains you had. With 3rd Party software, I can combine Mac and windows and even android with relative ease and loads of functionality, tho iOS makes it really hard, to step outside of the ecosystem, especially because Open Source software has it hard to get on iOS (because App Store only etc.)(the reason most of my cross platform things don't support iOS).
And also the Keyboard thing: Both keyboards you mentioned have customizable button sizes and there are hundreds of really good other options in the Play store with a 100% guarantee that there will be one, that you will find much better than apples approach.
I could give you a bunch more reasons to think about if you want to, but this comment is getting a little out of hand.
But I don't want to say, that your Video was bad, it just felt a bit biased and uncompleted.
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Do iPads do have competition? Yes, other iPads.
The portable tablet game is looking good, now that more competitors are entering the foray, as a user of the 10.5" iPad pro myself, the mipad 5 is shaping up to be a real challenge
I'm a 2017 iPad Pro 10.5" user myself as well, and after seeing just how many frames that Tab S8 dropped while recording the screen, I don't have any plans buying anything other than the upcoming M2 iPad Pro as a replacement.
android tablets need better performance and OEMs should putting phone chips in high end tablets.
there used to be a ton of android tablets. they were all just cheap and crappy. gave NOT iPad tablets a bad name, and for good reason
@@rohithmekala2608 yeah the mi pad 5, it has a snapdragon 860 which is still pretty fast
I own the Pad 5 and it's good for anything I do. coming from original iPad pro, the Pad 5's screen and speakers are much better, the performance is nice and android on tablet is looking great. I heard it's getting Android 12L and 13 as well.
I've been using the Tab S8 for a couple months now, and while I'm a little biased because I haven't used an iPad before, it is hands down the best laptop replacement ever. I use it daily for drawing, playing PS2 games using emulator, remote desktop, and light 3D modelling with Blender. The only real complaints I have so far are just the single USB-C port and yes, the tiny 11" screen.
So far these are the workarounds to some issues mentioned in the video:
To "fix" the portrait mode issue, go to Settings -> Advanced Features -> Labs, select "Auto rotate apps", find the desired app, (e.g. Instagram), then select either "App aspect ratio" or "Full screen". It's not a perfect solution but at least you stay in landscape mode.
To address the terrible keyboard ergonomics, Samsung Keyboard has a Split keyboard mode that makes typing much more enjoyable using two thumbs.
For desktop extension, well, it depends on how you want it done. DeX lets you connect to a vacant monitor, turning it into the tablet's second screen. Samsung Flow can mirror the tablet's screen to a PC in the same wifi network. Second Screen (doesn't work on all PCs) and SuperDisplay (need to shell out $10 for the full version) turn the tablet into Windows' second screen and pen display with working pressure. Some of these solutions are jank af, but hey, at least they work.
For apps, I believe the Play Store has an alternative somewhere. :D
For me the best app for S8 we can download right now to improve user experience is Samsung's One hand operation+. I don't know why they didn't bake the app to the OS because it solve many of the complaints in this video. Also, for app like Twitter or Facebook, I prefer using Samsung Internet which look beautiful on the tablet so not really a dealbreaker like the video mention.
@@makasaro Totally agree with Samsung Internet! Built-in dark mode and support for ad blockers, what's not to love?
Also, I would like to add SoundAssistant to the list of useful apps that should've been baked into the OS.
What a hypocrisy, you first criticise Samsung DeX for multi window system then appreciates "Stage manager". The point is both are meant to be used with a external monitor/screen.
You can use your Tablet as second screen when working with your laptop as well! The combination of windows laptop and s7 FE Tablet works fine for me and acts like a second monitor
I’ve been struggling to get into the videos on this channel, but really enjoyed this one. Solid video!
Love to hear it!
I love that you are highlighting local businesses and the environment in the latest Mac Address videos. It gives them a great look and feel. I will always love LTT, but this laid back style is awesome!
Much more enjoyable to watch. Riley's influence on writing style grates on me.
One time I was traveling with my computer and a Samsung tablet, my computer stopped working and I was able to work one whole week with just a Samsung Galaxy tab S6 Lite in Dex mode. It obviously wasn’t the same thing, but it worked
Started watching this channel to support the whole LTT family (then I didn't even have/or had used any Apple devices). Thought at first I would dislike it. Now I have stayed for Jonathan and the whole team that have made this channel their own. Amazing work and I love all the content.
I'm excited for the upcoming iPad Os update. I've been consistently frustrated with little things about my iPad I wasn't with my old Android tablet. Mainly the files app is horrible on iPad currently. But this new update might fix my major complaints about the iPad. We'll see.
I think you missed some few but important features on the S8:
1. It's customizable because of Android--you can adjust the keyboard height which solves your problem
2. The S-Pen is included in the box!
3. Edge panel is your best friend for multitasking (drag and drop to split screen)
4. Samsung DeX is way better than iPadOS multitasking
The only benefit of the iPad is. . .being a large Apple device for some specific apps, which not all people use, or if they do, shouldnt be a no brainer to look somewhere else than the iPad.
I love how structured and narrative these videos are vs the main LTT stuff.
I would say DEX deserves a bit more credit.
It may not be able to completely replace a laptop right now but when I left my laptop at home, I just plugged my S7 tablet into the USB C dock and had no problem using it for browsing, emails and Microsoft software.
Great video otherwise and this channel is always a good insight into Apple for a non apple user.
DEX is meant to be used when the tablet is docked to a big external screen.
You haven't done any research on this subject, have you?
No wonder the video has so many dislikes.
I really wish the ipad mini had actual competition. I use a Samsung tab a7 lite to read manga and it's super slow. I wish there was a 8 inch tablet with a high end processor and good screen on the android side. I don't want to switch to an ipad because there doesn't seem to be an app like tachiyomi on ios, also I really don't want to have to pay so much for extra storage. I have around 400gbs of manga so really need a micro sd slot. Maybe I'll end up getting that lonovo legion 8 inch gaming tablet eventually, as it's the only thing that comes close to what i need specs wise.
I know that too. Maybe the Tab S8 lite could be a 8.3 Inch screen. But I feel like they'll eiether do the s6 lite design or make a cheap variant of their S8 Ulitra
You could probably get a used Z Fold 2, almost as big as the ipad air but much much nicer. They are also significantly cheaper now used.
Is there a custom Android ROM that is compatible?
Software development is the main reason I use a tab s8u over an iPad pro. Being able to leave my MacBook pro at home and still get 80% of my work done is a huge benefit to my life. Dex makes react development a breeze and there are plenty of tablet-tailored applications for what I do
This is true - I'm so incredibly disappointed I still can't develop software on my iPad. Even a proper functional editor that runs the software on a server is a glitchy hassle (VSCode Remote)
For those of you who are still disappointed that reviewers refuse to show off Dex, here is a channel of somebody who uses it as a main device: ua-cam.com/users/MRPtechvideos
The problem with dex is the apps are still android apps
This feels unfair, u haven't covered everything about the tab S8. What I learned from this video is just how much ur used to using the iPad and you've overlooked alot major features of what makes the Tab S8 so great.
When I switched from a Samsung tablet to an iPad and started using the Instagram and Snapchat on my iPad I realised that some apps aren’t optimised for ios either, unless you are an illustrator or your work consist of audio or video production I think the galaxy tab is the one to get, btw I bought the iPad 9 because of the price to performance it offers but in future I’m looking forward to shift back to android because ios isn’t working for me
finally someone said this
I've had almost every iPad made, switched to the new S8 tab plus and love it the mouse and keyboard support is top notch. Dex is awesome it feels truly like a desktop replacement.
I'm an Android Tablet owner. I have an S7+, before that I had an iPad 2 that I held on to for the longest time. I get why iPads are still good, especially with the whole ecosystem built around Apple devices. I didn't really expect to ever own the Samsung tablets, but after being in the market for one, I'm glad I did. I understand the form factor usage, I mainly use my tablet for reading, media consumption, and other things I don't want to use my phone for. I have my computer for programming and various other things I do both for work and play. My phone, I pretty much try to avoid using when I don't need to, and that's probably why I'm still running a Note 9 this long. (I'm stubborn for an SD card capable phone which is now looking impossible)
However, the Samsung tablets have been quite amazing. Also the recent updates from Android 12 have ruined multi-tasking IMO. It was actually better under Samsung's control when they had it as part of their features that wasn't in Android officially. It was so much easier to implement, but sadly like most things that come to Android later after Samsung users have been enjoying them, they usually get a little worse in the implementation because Google doesn't want to seem like they straight rip off Samsung or something. That's a shame.
I'll leave with one more thing, outside of what both tablets do, I have enjoyed tinkering with Android tablets. If you're willing to explore outside the Play Store (and you really should, there's many communities out there) install F Droid (no rooting required), then install a command line tool like Termux, and you can get Linux distros onto your tablet that work so well. Now when you open your tablet, you can choose between a real 2 in 1 device that goes from Android to your Desktop of choice almost, and enjoy applications on it you couldn't run before. Android is great like that, but I understand you also don't have that with every common user. It just will work off the device without having to jail break or anything.
P.S. Great video, and I am not a salty Android tablet user. I promise, I respect the video diving into it and trying it out. I know why iPad is a great device, and I still will buy one some day just because I miss having it, but I am also not in a rush to jump back.
You do realize you can change the height of the keyboard in Gboard right? And make it a normal keyboard for tablets?
- the default keyboard has split mode
- the pen is included
- also, samsung stuff is almost always discounted, accessories (cover, keyboard) are also much cheaper and often discounted
- the S8 can also be used as a second screen for your notebook
- yes, it lacks some apps, but I do those things (insta, twitter, etc) on my phone anyways, I use my tablet for actual media or actual work (uni), not doomscrolling
honestly speaking Mac address videos feel more like a short film than UA-cam video...and i mean this as a compliment
The main downsides of this review is apps availability and compatibility.
Both of these things depends only on the developers of the apps. It's not depends on Google, nor Samsung, to be able to use them.
As a software developer, I'm the one to fault if an app not suitable for tablets, not the hardware or manufacturer.
As for budget, sorry, 128GB + pen+ expandability worth 100$ more then the late to update iPad
I really think if you want an android tablet, your best option is a nicer 2-in-1 chomebook. They can run android apps, full web apps, and great battery life. To me android is a phone OS and chromeOS is more like iPadOS (not entirely though.)
I haven't had a chance to try ChromOS in a tablet form factor. My concern is that ChromeOS was originally designed to be a light weight laptop OS meant mainly for web browsing. Android at the very least started off touch first.
@@macaddress Very true, but I think I'ts worth a shot though looking at it from an apple user point of view. I used to be a chromeOS fan before I moved to apple, from my use, a 2-in-1 or tablet chromebook feels more ipad-y than an android tablet. Also, most android tablets I've tried (in the mid range to be fair) have been really bad
Windows 10 also has a pretty good tablet interface (Windows 11 for whatever reason took 1 step forward and 20373839 steps back).
I had the original Nexus 7 and I loved it. It was also my first tablet.
A few years later I bought the iPad Air 2 & forgot about android anything for several years. Last year I bought a 10" android tablet with good specs, etc. It works well and it games well. Has a keyboard that magnetically attaches, etc etc. By itself, it's a good machine... But the OS is still horrid compared to the polish & finish of iOS (or iPadOS these days.) It just can't compare. My *new* 10" Android tablet currently has a dead battery (for months now,) and I'm using my old Air2, because it's just so much better.
At some point I want to get an iPad Pro, but unless something drastically changes with Android, I don't see me going back anytime soon.
I actually watched this video and am writing this comment on my old second gen Nexus 7, it's certainly long in the tooth, but is still usable with Android 11, I dug it out of my old tech box the other day and it still works fine with a new ROM, old tech doesn't mean useless, just takes a bit more effort
@@AgniWatchLugun Before I bought the new Android tablet, I did dig out my old Nexus 7. I loved that thing.. Sadly it no longer worked properly (extremely slow / stuttery / hangs.) I always said if Google came out with a new Nexus lineup, I'd buy it again just to check out "vanilla" Android.
I also used android based phones for years until I got my first iPhone (the 6s.) After a couple years I got the S7 Edge when it was new - loved it, but it lasted only about a year before it gave me severe trouble and eventually wouldn't even boot.. Got the iphone XR after that and stuck with iPhone since.
@@soundguydon Yeah, I have the same problem on some of my old Android phones, the old hardware and software doesn't go well together after a while, some of the stripped down ROMs work better and it's easier to find custom firmware for the more popular tinkering devices like the Nexus/Pixel lines or OnePlus devices, it is quite a bit harder for some other brands, in this regard iPhones and iPads certainly work better with their long software support lives
However, I've gone through quite a few iPhones starting from the 5 and 5s, as well as Android phones from Samsung, LG, Google, Motorola, OnePlus and even enthusiast brands like Nextbit and Essential and in my opinion there have been plenty of duds from everyone, but I still always come back to Android for my daily drivers, I can do what I want more easily on my OnePlus 7T Pro and LG V60 than on my iPhone 12 Pro
Although, if I really want to get nostalgic, a deep part of me still misses my old Nokia Lumia phones
I think that Johnathan skipped a lot of points that makes S8 a good table, he still has a mindset of using what's given by the manufacturer and not trying to dig deeper into the OS. I don't own either ones but planning on buying an S8 soon since I'm a windows user, having a longer display than the iPad makes more sense when you use M&K or using the tablet as an external monitor, not to mention the aspect ratio of the S8 (16:10) is closer to cinema's aspect ratio (16:9), the iPad aspect ratio is more square (4:3) hence more black bar on top, meaning smaller image. not to say Johnathan doesn't have a point, the iPad truly has better performance and optimization than android and their apps is way better, but let's remember that once you use S8 as a graphics tablet by connecting it to a PC as an external display, it's capability goes way up. Sure, iPad can do the same with sidecar but since S8 has longer display, you'll have more space to put the layer window without intruding too much into drawing area if you're using Photoshop or other drawing software.
It’s a very good table
for Dex the best one is to have a external monitor and connect via HDMI, also its a wireless 2nd screen on Windows
There are definitely things missed but this was a great watch. Wanted to note that Galaxy tab does display over usb-c and has wireless display options
I bought a used Tab S7 for school and it was the best decision I ever made. It was hardly used and came with accessories. The Ipad is nice, but relatively new android tablet for $300 is nearly unbeatable.
I don’t care for DEX or Stage Manager, I still see the iPad as a single-focus-oriented device; heck, I don’t use Slide Over at all and I’ve got an M1 iPad Pro. I can see the appeal of using it as a full computer, don’t get me wrong, but I never saw it as a desktop/work machine/productivity machine replacement… and then, maybe that’s my own fault.
I don’t mind multi-tasking on a fully-supported external monitor. I do mind multi-tasking in tablet mode, Be it Samsung/Android or Apple/iPadOS. It just seems so limiting.
The splitscreen is nice though. Monitoring a few things while a video runs is great. Just getting there is stupid (half swipe up and hold?)
My thoughts exactly. Multitasking on an external monitor would be great, but on an 11in screen just ain’t it. Many simple tasks are just too clunky on the iPad for me to do them efficiently. I love my M1 iPad Pro it a great illustration tool, note taking tool, and recreational device, but it will never replace my desktop or laptop when “real work” (unless that work is illustrative) or research needs to be done.
@@chillax1688 there is a 12.9 inch ipad too
@@HolgerNestmann no just swipe down from middle and choose app
I got a tab a8 for free with my s22+ and I use it a whole lot more than I thought. The multitasking is better than I expected and I don't really have a need for the extra screen thing or the world's perfect keyboard
I honestly prefer an android tablet. I don't mind the Apple walled garden on my phone because I want things to just work but for a tablet I want to tinker, side load apps, customize things to my liking. Half of the apps I use daily don't have an iPadOS equivalent, at least not without jailbreaking which is pretty difficult these days.
Also the amoled screen on my Galaxy Tab S6 is amazingly good for content consumption!
android is a hell lot better with file management than ipados.
No one would believe that Linus produced and directed this video but just look at the credits. Kudos to Linus for taking this direction with Mac Address
I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 and I use it mostly for media consumption. It's perfect for that - I often prefer it to using a TV if I'm alone. I also use it for emulators, which works seamlessly out of the box with apps available on the Google Play Store.
Yeah this almost review type video was a bit lacking for me, completely misses out on media consumption and aspect ratio for that, and seems to trip and stumble over some of the details in my opinion.
I have never owned an apple product (except an ipod nano gen5 I think).
This is the first video I've seen from the Channel and I gotta say:
It has this specific style that I really enjoy. I won't become an apple user, but defenitly a subscriber
Normally like MacAddress videos, even as an Android user, however this video is clearly so biased, didn't set out with any intention to be impartial/ disregard previous experiences and retreading and reinforcing old stereotypes and perceptions of Android tablets - you could make a counter argument or workaround (change the default keyboard!) to every issue raised here
Literally no research done before this video on customisability of Android.
Clearly the gripes of someone coming from iOS - "I don't know how to use the UI", "the keyboard layout is different", "the app I currently use aren't available or dont looklike they do on iOS" etc - it'd be the exact same if you were going from Android to iOS
Let me start by staying I got my first iPad back in 2010 so was a very early adopter of tablets. Anyway, as an Android phone user since 2010 (Motorola XT720) and an Android tablet user since 2011 (Acer Transformer TF101) for my use cases (mostly reading and media consumption) using the same system on both phone and tablet always made a lot of sense. I have had iPads from time to time but none of the apps I used gave a better experience on the iPad and many gave in fact a far worse experience since dealing with files were so restricting.
The more desktop features Apple adds to their iPad lineup, the more compelling it is for me to pick one of the iPads up.
why not just get a laptop if you're so interested in desktop layouts?
Imo the point of tablets is to have a bigger phone-esc device.
@@Daniel-dj7fh But people want a Mac that also has a touch screen! (Which is what the Ipad basically is after getting a desktop M1 chip! BUT it does not have the software support that it needs to be what people want it to be.
Who else watched this on an iPad?
Me iPad Air 4
So I use a galaxy tablet s4 as a windows/android user, I'm a consultant who travels a lot. I don't know what I'm missing from ipad os but I find the user experience in my ecosystem great. I use the surface duo as my portable workstation as the multitasking on that device is amazing! AFAIK nobody in the UK is setting up in a coffee shop, we work in crapt train seats, in the back of taxis and the like so setting up a laptop or tablet workstation is inconvenient. My tablet has expandable storage which let's me download lots of netflix, crunchyroll and Spotify play lists which makes it better on the go for media consumption in my mind. When I get to my hotel with WiFi I can use gamepass or if there's rubbish connectivity its an AMAZING emulation device. I use a USB c to c plug to use my Tablet as an extra monitor for my work laptop. Only downside is that Samsung stopped producing the pen for my tablet and so I'm SOL for one note on the go 😩.
I don't think I'd be able to use an ipad for any of this, right?
This does not consider other work flows. You can't arbitrarily Chuck an Android tablet into your iOS and iPhone ecosystem. Just like how you didn't consider other work case scenarios and features. Plus you sound pretty condescending.
Yeah, that is my issue with this channel. Put little research into products, praise Apple's products, and condescend any other brand and those who like those brands.
Absolutely ANY talk about prices falls short as soon as you consider the SPen being EMR and included in the bundle, plus the Keyboard being a regular in the Tab S deals, along with actual price deals. We are talking of upwards $500 in just extras, and arguably necessary extras for "PRO" devices, + a lot in raw price with other deals.
And yeah, the screen may be small on the regular S, but mind you that's the smallest one, and you've had proper external display on it since long ago so that point was also cheap dude. There's also a few other points which have been said by other comments so I'll not bother.
The IPad has its own charms, and they´re big, I don't deny you that, but just do proper research and analysis if you want to do a "review". "I used this device I have no hope for against my will for just 10 days, come hear my totally not biased review!", you see the problem?
Riley had it coming, and it wasn't only because he ignored Dex, the guy just oozes tablet hate so why bother doing a video? Yours is a little bit more neutral, but still falls short. Actually you know? Just bring an actual user of the featured device to share their experience or their feedback with the issues and questions you may have while producing these videos and they'll be so much better, but just stop it with the "I tried X thing I dread for X minutes/days to see if they're not bad anymore!" videos.
I think what you've suggested is exactly what we need. No more of this "I came from this platform I'm exceptionally biased towards.... I hate this thing that isn't on my preferred platform."
Having a dynamic discussion between those with more experience in the platform and those with questions about the platform would be far better.
You are absolutely right! He made some good points, but I still sensed his bias for the iPad.
As a user of the samsung galaxy tab s7, I quite disagree with your point about dex being bad. Indeed, I use primarly my tablet trough dex that I've learned to use. It is often more capable on some aspect than my windows pc, for example for putting things in the foreground, or taking note with the s pen while watching youtube. Heck, another thing you forgot to mention is how you can connect the tablet directly to a monitor, and it will be the closest thing to a desktop you can find in the tablet market. Plus, and I'm using it, you can have a linux subsystem on android that you can't have on a ipad due to apple limitation. finally, You can use the s7 and S8 screen as a second screen for any windows computer (granted you find the parameter to activate it, which is quite well hidden) through the official samsung way or through the superdisplay app (the later being better IMO)
Yes you have done more research than any LTT writer/host has done
As both a Tab S8+ and iPad Mini owner, I massively prefer my Samsung. The apps may not be as optimized, but the correct portrait mode split screen, app overlays (calculators should be able to be freely placed and minimized over math homework), along with multi profile support (I go to two schools, both of which use many of the same apps, but different log ins) makes it a great education device.
Also the iPad mini has pretty crap hardware and software for its price. Storage and RAM are on par with phones costing $100, and the screen is worse than many $200 Android phones. As other reviewers noted, the UI is also awful due to terrible scaling on the Mini. I'm hoping that Google's Android tablet push works, as ultimately it's obvious Apple needs competition
I think the comparison should be compared to a iPad Pro 11"/12.9" vs S8+.
after all the S8+ is one of Samsung's flagships. While the iPad mini is not Apple's flagship and has many shortcomings.
I don't know what you're talking about with iPad mini having crap hardware. Your mini might have bad hardware if it's old but the new minis are extremely fast. They have the same chip as the iPhone 13 Pro, just clocked ever so slightly lower & with 30% less RAM. You're not gonna find a more powerful tablet at any price (excluding x86 tablets).
The UI is also not awful, from the beginning the whole purpose of the existence of the iPad mini was to ship the same iPad software as the big model, in a smaller form factor, so the touch targets being smaller is expected (just that some icons do get a little too small from time to time for some people for, say, apps in the dock if you have many apps in the dock). Combine that with the fact that the mini has traditionally had a more pixel dense screen than bigger iPads (324ppi vs. 264ppi of the bigger iPads), and it's clear why the interface is shrunk. In the end it still ends up being an iPad (that is, way more capable than an iPhone in terms of multitasking), while staying 'mini' for an iPad. The screen is also pretty decent, it's your standard Apple IPS panel, and Apple's IPS LCDs are known to be downright the best LCDs in the industry, with far better color control, minimal backlight bleed, and very low reflectivity compared to cheaper LCDs and OLEDs on the market.
iPadOS not supporting multiple users or profiles and Stage Manager not being supported on the mini are definitely true weaknesses though.
@@utubekullanicisi I have the iPad mini 6 base model which cost $500. The chipset is fast, but that about all I can say. The iPad has aggressive ram management to compensate for how much they skimp on Ram. That means my Kindle app doesn’t sync in the background as soon as I’m back on Wi-Fi (it does on my Windows computer and Android tablet), so I have to actively open the app to enable other devices to show what page I’m on. All the settings are correct the Amazon troubleshooting guide. Also web pages frequently get killed, causing them to be fully reloaded. That’s probably from Apple suspending background app ram usage to make the low amounts they ship with more palatable.
The lack of 120 Hz and high brightness is a much bigger deal to me than total color accuracy. When it’s a struggle to see text outside (happened to me just today as I was waiting for the train), that’s bad for an iPad focused on portability. It also makes scrolling through manuals, web pages, etc much worse than on a lot of cheaper devices due to how much of a difference 120Hz makes over 60 Hz.
Also, I don’t care about higher PPI if the software can’t compensate for it, especially when all iPads are retina. Webpages usually require me to zoom in just to read text, the pop out keyboard is way too small to comfortably swipe (I’ve made upwards of 30 errors writing this, due to how cramped it is), and a lot of stuff just looks off. If Apple actually had competition in the space, I doubt they would have let these issues go on for so long.
Let's be real, Dex was made for the plus and ultra, the normal has it because why not, better to have it then not have it
For at casual user the iPad is absolutely the best device in the class hands down. For kids elderly etc. it is perfect.
If you need/want full access to the filesystem and want to install open source 3rd party apps, that is better optimized than the official ones, want to connect to IOT, that you have hacked together or develop and run an app without being forced to go through the appstore to even get it on the device, then get an Android device.
As someone who uses a Samsung phone and Linux on my desktop, I never even considered not buying an iPad when I needed a new one. I use mine for running live sound for bands on mixing consoles that have iPad apps for remote control. Most of them have Android apps as well but I know for a fact all of them will support the iPad and I won't have an issue.
Samsung has something like universal control if you have a galaxy book on you, other than that yes they're definitely behind apple in a lot of ways but for a casual user like me who likes the rubber tip of the S pen more and only uses a tab to read pdfs and maybe annotate them which by the way samsung notes is more than good enough for and the fact there's an instagram app for android tabs makes them a better buy for me.
you a minority when it comes to tablets
@@malfaroangel3896 You a minority when it comes to spelling you’re.
I absolutely agree with the S Pen feel. My family has a 6th Gen iPad and a S7 FE. The S Pen feels fairly good when writing with it, not as good as an actual pen, but good enough. The Apple Pen just feels like hammering against glass and has no resistance. Not sure if I could adapt to that.
To be fair, both tablets have protective glasses on them, so maybe the iPad feels better without one.
@@Gibom hey i feel the same way when i first tested the apple pencil. some people told me to get the paper cover to make it feel more "paperlike"..i tried that too and it still was just OK...but maybe it was because i've done my art stuff on the note series and due to monetary reasons, i find workarounds a lot to fit my workflow with any device i get.