Zac MU is Zac favored to a point, but there comes a point where Zac has to respect your burst and can no longer duel you and has to E away from you which can be annoying. early to midgame gwen HAS to play the blob mini game and can win the blob mini game better than most top laners with proper reactive E, W usage and luck from blob position rng, but Zac with Ult means hes guaranteed his turn. but freezing the wave at any point prior 6 means he cant sustain or walk up since most his strength comes from fighting with waves near or under tower since generating blobs is guaranteed that way. Also Gwen has to respect that his tank items are just inherently cheaper and gets a tempo advantage that way and has to play reactive. but by gwens second item if gold and levels are even after Zac uses his burst and you live via W tank stats its wraps for Zac if he attempts an engage without jungle help since ult slow gimps his ability to pickup blobs without E or flash. Of course, good Zacs have to play around team at that point and play a more supportive role around objectives but Gwen always wins fair fights by then. Personally, i think the MU is even or slightly gwen favored as Zac is put on a timer as his advantage diminishes over time and needs gwen to make mistakes but can still make plays elsewhere.
Ima pin this, THANK YOU for the insight on the lane! Its super uncommon so im glad someone with more experience with/vs the champ was able to find my vid
@@KilllaaG Im a Zac top one trick so I usually win via unfamiliarity but I know the real weaknesses of the character. like from full hp Zac is lowkey hurting himself if he doesnt get the blobs back or whiffs. Zac Ult is a get out of jail free card usually and short CD but without it or passive he has to give up priority. antiheal against Zac is usually troll unless you can consistently apply it since it delays your first item purchase and he can just heal under tower anyway like you mentioned. lvl 2 advantage matters so much and makes or breaks whether he can bully or has to sack the wave till tower. I thought the MU was giga bad for the longest time till i realize mask is criminally cheap and Zac can cheat a ruby crystal start since he can just E away from gwen whenever he wants and play for mask spike near level 9 :P. Towers are Zacs best friend since his passive will usually not die if he pops under tower and if he E maxs can burst the wave straight from fog when someone is pushing the tower and knock them towards tower with ult and theyre forced to take 2-3 tower shots which will burst anyone that cant interrupt E regardless of how low Zac is. Zac just also out roams via E max so if hes missing on the map and hasnt been W maxing just assume hes planning to jump you immediately or another lane from base if he has tp. so DO NOT sit on the wave if it is roughly the size of his E when you are pushing.
I'll need to set a sub goal on my twitch for that but I'm super down to do it, I could only imagine how long it would take if this was the length for just top lane matchups
@@KilllaaG It will definitely be time consuming but 1. fun 2. in few hours your Gwen knowledge goes 📈 3. We love Gwen so do it for the bestest girl ^_^
currently a sett otp and I think I might pick up Gwen after seeing this tier list. a lot of the matchups that aren’t so good for sett are actually really high on the list. ty for the info
41:57 Finally, someone who agrees with me. I see so many people on reddit complaining about how hard the Morde matchup is and I'm just like "Bro, Morde is easy to beat, just a couple things you need to be careful about"
Yeah you definatly have the tools to beat him, but when you dont save your resourses and get hit by morde E-Q into grey screen, Morde is gonna seem OMEGA OP xd
@@Rells2coolpeoplehavebadtastes. I try to preserve resources and just farm until level 6, then any Teemo's misstep leads to him getting snip-snipped to death :3 If you're getting lvl 6 earlier - it's almost a free kill. If else - try to take notice of his mushrooms and blind. Bait him, so he would use the blind (if you dodge the blind with W, it will give you a perfect opportunity), after that all-in him, trying not to walk into the mushrooms.
Thanks for the video!! I’m a new Gwen player trying to climb when I have the time (just got to silver 3, I’m around mastery 10) I’m glad to have my feelings abt trundle and riven validated LMAO and I agree abt singed I’ve had so many singed players try to proxy and die and then be useless late game
does the fiora gwen W not work? The one where you use W and then stand right at the edge, so if Fiora wants to hit the vital, she has to Q outside your W, but that means she's outside the W and then you are immune. It's gwen's way of creating a "wall" even when she isn't near one
Nasus is just my nemesis - my 3 top champs - Irelia Gwen and Ornn all fold to him, getting out scaled* and W being a check mate - also he does the "ignore team and sprint throw top" strat better... maybe I should just give up and play him... but nope I cant fall to the dark side. (so far great video 45min in, and I am keeping up with my notes Prof Killlaag)
Against gwen, nasus is so weak early that gwen (comparing to him) becomes a lane bully. Always rush level priority and immediately when you get level 2 just all in him. Gwen actually outscales nasus even though he has infinite scaling. When i go against nasus i always get first blood, push the wave, come back and freeze. dont let him stack at all. If he comes to a single minion just E and Q him and 1/3rd of his hp is gone. The problem comes when nasus beats you in a fight. Then your chances are really slim in beating him again, but if you get the kill, you're unstoppable
just want to say that: cho gath is not free. especially in the early game. Teemo can be hard. if he saves blind for your all ins, and with all the poke and poison, its tough. Other than that, its a good tier list!
personally I disagree with the singed take because proxy doesn't only serve the purpose of letting him go even or get advantage via plates, it allows for him to have up to a minute in tempo to gank your midlaner or harass your jungler. In the past 3 out of 4 patches, singed has been gwen's worst matchup in Emerald+ global statistics winrate wise, which makes sense as gwen can't exactly match the proxy nor catch the singed without high lockdown from team help. A singed who is content with just sitting behind your turrets trading waves is not a good representative of what a good singed player would do. It's more important to begin walking with wave 1 to deny proxy and play lane extremely well to constantly keep tempo up on singed, as this requires him to sacrifice a wave if he wants to proxy, even better if he makes the decision late and you're able to stack two waves (at which point he won't even proxy because of the potential plates you can get as gwen w/ 2 waves)
Yes but the singed player actually has to use that time, even in Diamond/Masters elo singed players will not do this and just continue the proxy to the point they are inting their team and I have vids on my channel showing that. If it takes a GM player to do this which is currently top 1k in NA, I cant base singed placement off of the 0.01% of league players
Okay so I am about to watch this, lets hope that I share the same views about which match ups are hard, and that its not just me shitting the bed. Also not sure if you are doing that (since I have not watched the video yet) but if you talk about how to win or get advantages in the tougher match ups - or things you need to be careful of. So now I watch while buying the new skin :D
Now, that you have a tier list, I wonder if there are any champs that counter everything gwen is bad against. I'm looking to expand from being a Gwen OTP, so I wanna learn a new champ. What counters all of those champs in the lose and ban tier, but is also good against those in the disadv tier?
Theirs not 1 single champ but I feel a small champ pool can deal with most. My champ pool for top has been Gwen, Malphite, Ornn, Pantheon and I recently added Aatrox, Auroura aswell
I feel like it would be a pretty boring list, its just full clear and if they can invade u and do u lose and if you get the clear off/ get to 2 items u beat everyone
Akshan top is just standard annoying lane that you will beat. D-Shield 2nd wind keep you pretty healthy along with W. I'm currently D1 20ishLP and 55%wr. My peak is Masters 200
Wukong is very simple, survive the 1st few levels and reset on 700 gold atlesat for a cloth and amp tome and if u run igniteu can start to stat check him. Even b4 that reset you can beat him but u need to land center spot Q's Ryze is like cass. take dshield second wind and just exist to last hit under tower. You can win the lane but with that set up you dont really lose it either. You just kinda exist
How is nasus not lose or disadv? Nasus can poke with arcane comet setup and actually win lane pre 6. He does not lose any all in. So overtuned he is blind picked in lck.
Because she wins pre 6, its harder but yes even vs the poke build and when they do go poke build it does stunt his stacks which by no means gives you a massive edge but helps out. Also this was made pre Nasus in pro play so I was unaware until yesterday of the Nasus v Garen matchup that was played in professional play
@lckfan3696 Well this was in diamond elo so yes the top laner could pilot nasus. Even if we say that you need to be Masters to pilot nasus properly thats only a couple thousand players per server, which is just not reasonable to base my list for only masters+. When 98% of the player base isnt above diamond
Zac MU is Zac favored to a point, but there comes a point where Zac has to respect your burst and can no longer duel you and has to E away from you which can be annoying. early to midgame gwen HAS to play the blob mini game and can win the blob mini game better than most top laners with proper reactive E, W usage and luck from blob position rng, but Zac with Ult means hes guaranteed his turn. but freezing the wave at any point prior 6 means he cant sustain or walk up since most his strength comes from fighting with waves near or under tower since generating blobs is guaranteed that way. Also Gwen has to respect that his tank items are just inherently cheaper and gets a tempo advantage that way and has to play reactive. but by gwens second item if gold and levels are even after Zac uses his burst and you live via W tank stats its wraps for Zac if he attempts an engage without jungle help since ult slow gimps his ability to pickup blobs without E or flash. Of course, good Zacs have to play around team at that point and play a more supportive role around objectives but Gwen always wins fair fights by then. Personally, i think the MU is even or slightly gwen favored as Zac is put on a timer as his advantage diminishes over time and needs gwen to make mistakes but can still make plays elsewhere.
Ima pin this, THANK YOU for the insight on the lane! Its super uncommon so im glad someone with more experience with/vs the champ was able to find my vid
@@KilllaaG Im a Zac top one trick so I usually win via unfamiliarity but I know the real weaknesses of the character. like from full hp Zac is lowkey hurting himself if he doesnt get the blobs back or whiffs. Zac Ult is a get out of jail free card usually and short CD but without it or passive he has to give up priority. antiheal against Zac is usually troll unless you can consistently apply it since it delays your first item purchase and he can just heal under tower anyway like you mentioned. lvl 2 advantage matters so much and makes or breaks whether he can bully or has to sack the wave till tower. I thought the MU was giga bad for the longest time till i realize mask is criminally cheap and Zac can cheat a ruby crystal start since he can just E away from gwen whenever he wants and play for mask spike near level 9 :P. Towers are Zacs best friend since his passive will usually not die if he pops under tower and if he E maxs can burst the wave straight from fog when someone is pushing the tower and knock them towards tower with ult and theyre forced to take 2-3 tower shots which will burst anyone that cant interrupt E regardless of how low Zac is. Zac just also out roams via E max so if hes missing on the map and hasnt been W maxing just assume hes planning to jump you immediately or another lane from base if he has tp. so DO NOT sit on the wave if it is roughly the size of his E when you are pushing.
I would like you to make a countermeasure course against each character.
I'll need to set a sub goal on my twitch for that but I'm super down to do it, I could only imagine how long it would take if this was the length for just top lane matchups
@@KilllaaG It will definitely be time consuming but
1. fun
2. in few hours your Gwen knowledge goes 📈
3. We love Gwen so do it for the bestest girl ^_^
@@KilllaaG google docs spreadsheet would be insane
currently a sett otp and I think I might pick up Gwen after seeing this tier list. a lot of the matchups that aren’t so good for sett are actually really high on the list. ty for the info
No prob! Hope you enjoy playing her
41:57 Finally, someone who agrees with me. I see so many people on reddit complaining about how hard the Morde matchup is and I'm just like "Bro, Morde is easy to beat, just a couple things you need to be careful about"
Yeah you definatly have the tools to beat him, but when you dont save your resourses and get hit by morde E-Q into grey screen, Morde is gonna seem OMEGA OP xd
this is the type of video I'll definetely save for future references...
I love the Gwen in Teemo matchup. Idk why, it just feels so fun to me
Hooow? That rat destroys me
@@Rells2coolpeoplehavebadtastes. I try to preserve resources and just farm until level 6, then any Teemo's misstep leads to him getting snip-snipped to death :3
If you're getting lvl 6 earlier - it's almost a free kill. If else - try to take notice of his mushrooms and blind. Bait him, so he would use the blind (if you dodge the blind with W, it will give you a perfect opportunity), after that all-in him, trying not to walk into the mushrooms.
@@animan8192 Thanks!!!
Thanks for the video!! I’m a new Gwen player trying to climb when I have the time (just got to silver 3, I’m around mastery 10)
I’m glad to have my feelings abt trundle and riven validated LMAO and I agree abt singed I’ve had so many singed players try to proxy and die and then be useless late game
does the fiora gwen W not work? The one where you use W and then stand right at the edge, so if Fiora wants to hit the vital, she has to Q outside your W, but that means she's outside the W and then you are immune. It's gwen's way of creating a "wall" even when she isn't near one
I FORGOT TO TALK ABOUT THAT TO!!!!!!
Nasus is just my nemesis - my 3 top champs - Irelia Gwen and Ornn all fold to him, getting out scaled* and W being a check mate - also he does the "ignore team and sprint throw top" strat better...
maybe I should just give up and play him... but nope I cant fall to the dark side. (so far great video 45min in, and I am keeping up with my notes Prof Killlaag)
There is a spanish song that gives you chill music to farm with nasus until 25 mins and then switches to hard metal its so fun
Against gwen, nasus is so weak early that gwen (comparing to him) becomes a lane bully. Always rush level priority and immediately when you get level 2 just all in him. Gwen actually outscales nasus even though he has infinite scaling. When i go against nasus i always get first blood, push the wave, come back and freeze. dont let him stack at all. If he comes to a single minion just E and Q him and 1/3rd of his hp is gone.
The problem comes when nasus beats you in a fight. Then your chances are really slim in beating him again, but if you get the kill, you're unstoppable
Oh i have been waiting for this. I just have such a hardtime playing against olaf and aatrox also fiora I will take this and use it.
just want to say that:
cho gath is not free. especially in the early game.
Teemo can be hard. if he saves blind for your all ins, and with all the poke and poison, its tough.
Other than that, its a good tier list!
personally I disagree with the singed take because proxy doesn't only serve the purpose of letting him go even or get advantage via plates, it allows for him to have up to a minute in tempo to gank your midlaner or harass your jungler. In the past 3 out of 4 patches, singed has been gwen's worst matchup in Emerald+ global statistics winrate wise, which makes sense as gwen can't exactly match the proxy nor catch the singed without high lockdown from team help. A singed who is content with just sitting behind your turrets trading waves is not a good representative of what a good singed player would do. It's more important to begin walking with wave 1 to deny proxy and play lane extremely well to constantly keep tempo up on singed, as this requires him to sacrifice a wave if he wants to proxy, even better if he makes the decision late and you're able to stack two waves (at which point he won't even proxy because of the potential plates you can get as gwen w/ 2 waves)
Yes but the singed player actually has to use that time, even in Diamond/Masters elo singed players will not do this and just continue the proxy to the point they are inting their team and I have vids on my channel showing that. If it takes a GM player to do this which is currently top 1k in NA, I cant base singed placement off of the 0.01% of league players
Okay so I am about to watch this, lets hope that I share the same views about which match ups are hard, and that its not just me shitting the bed.
Also not sure if you are doing that (since I have not watched the video yet) but if you talk about how to win or get advantages in the tougher match ups - or things you need to be careful of.
So now I watch while buying the new skin :D
How would you approach mid matchups like e.g. Ahri, Hwei or Lissandra? Or melee matchups like e.g. Fizz?
Second wind and tp, once im lvl 6 I burn their escape tool and ult them into pressing all my buttons
Now, that you have a tier list, I wonder if there are any champs that counter everything gwen is bad against. I'm looking to expand from being a Gwen OTP, so I wanna learn a new champ. What counters all of those champs in the lose and ban tier, but is also good against those in the disadv tier?
Theirs not 1 single champ but I feel a small champ pool can deal with most. My champ pool for top has been Gwen, Malphite, Ornn, Pantheon and I recently added Aatrox, Auroura aswell
54:20 *noted*
are you willing to make one on Gwen jungle?
I feel like it would be a pretty boring list, its just full clear and if they can invade u and do u lose and if you get the clear off/ get to 2 items u beat everyone
found the mentos!!!
btw. how do you use Pokemon music without copy right issues xD
banger video by the way - agree with you, means I am not silly :)
Nintendo somehow doesn't care
@@KilllaaG OO gz - may try that then as well... its great music, good taste - as expected from a Gwen enjoyer ^^
(sorry for the comment spam btw.)
@@Linkingx2 NO PLS SPAM! THE ALORGITHM LOVE COMMENTS! :3
What about Skarner Matchup?? Is it any different??
Server is just not a champ anymore, but if u randomly see 1 take second wind cause W poke and just Q E him. Don't auto so the minions don't aggro .
thoughts on Voli top?
Da bear 1:39:31
@@KilllaaG 🫡thanks, I missed that...
Thoughts on Akshan top? Also what is your current rank/peak?
Akshan top is just standard annoying lane that you will beat. D-Shield 2nd wind keep you pretty healthy along with W. I'm currently D1 20ishLP and 55%wr. My peak is Masters 200
This list may vary from person to person, right?
Yes absolutely, this is based off of the 500+ games I had on gwen this split
@@KilllaaG How many mastery points do you have? mine is 1.1 million
@@Salih70270 I think my main is nearing 900k, but across all my accs its probably around 1.5 mil
Thoughts on Wukong and Ryze top matchup?
Wukong is very simple, survive the 1st few levels and reset on 700 gold atlesat for a cloth and amp tome and if u run igniteu can start to stat check him. Even b4 that reset you can beat him but u need to land center spot Q's
Ryze is like cass. take dshield second wind and just exist to last hit under tower. You can win the lane but with that set up you dont really lose it either. You just kinda exist
@@KilllaaGgotcha, appreciate you 🫡
How is nasus not lose or disadv? Nasus can poke with arcane comet setup and actually win lane pre 6. He does not lose any all in. So overtuned he is blind picked in lck.
Because she wins pre 6, its harder but yes even vs the poke build and when they do go poke build it does stunt his stacks which by no means gives you a massive edge but helps out. Also this was made pre Nasus in pro play so I was unaware until yesterday of the Nasus v Garen matchup that was played in professional play
Update: I just played vs poke build and its soooo bad into gwen. Such a free lane
Nasus outscales gwen. She cant ever play the game if the nasus is human post lvl6. Only winnable if the nasus just picked up the character.
@lckfan3696 Well this was in diamond elo so yes the top laner could pilot nasus. Even if we say that you need to be Masters to pilot nasus properly thats only a couple thousand players per server, which is just not reasonable to base my list for only masters+. When 98% of the player base isnt above diamond
trundle, nasus, illaoi, yorick and darius are free lanes. I have almost 100% wr against those 5 champions
Deeplol link?
How to beat sejuani?
Sej top or Jungle?