How a New Rebellion Could Split Mali
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A couple of days ago, Wagner Group suffered a major defeat in Mali, causing the paramilitary's worst loss of life on the African continent. So, in this video, we take a look at what's going on in Mali, what this means for Russia, and what the attack means for the future.
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If you're ever in the Malian desert, listen very carefully and you may hear a ghostly voice bemoaning a lack of logistical support, screaming "SHOIGU!".
"ssh ... gerassimov ... ssh"
😂😂😂bruh, Best comment of the week😂😂😂
@@cdcdrr
Then Blyat 🤣🤣
WHERE is my AMMUNITION?
SHOIGU! GERASIMOV! GDE CHERTOVIY BOYEPRIPASIY
Damn Russians really speedrunning the scramble for Africa
Thay were late in 160 years
@@user-iz2tq3dx5d”where is everyone? Ah well, guess it’s all mine”
How? By selling arms to African nations?(something the west refuses to do.)
It’s interesting that most of the military coups and rebellion in Africa mostly happened in African countries which were former French colonies. And when I heard about Francafrique and how France managed to make these countries subservient to France in terms of economy, foreign interests that makes these countries mostly reliant on France and even make these countries pay a type of tax to France and even their CFA Francs are all printed, distributed and controlled by France and thus, making these countries incapable of improving in terms of infrastructure, basic needs, healthcare, education and etc. And these coups are most certainly have to do with the fact that the leaders have to abide by the status quo of this Francafrique system and thus also breeds high level of corruption among the elites of these countries and these Junta leaders are trying to break that status quo and tell France to leave them alone. And it’s no wonder this gave opportunity for groups like the Russia Wagner group to persue their own interests in these Francafrique countries allying themselves with Anti French rebels in the guise of “breaking up colonialism” once in for all. If France would just leave these regions alone, none of these would’ve happened in the first place.
@@cjshow-zp6nhwell yeah, fuck France
One of the reasons Bamako were frustrated with France was that France was only willing to fight the jihadists and not the Azawad rebels and sort of twisted Bamako’s arm into agreeing to peace with them to focus on the jihadists. It’s very likely one of the reasons the junta chose to boot out France for Russia was because they knew the Russians would help against Azawad.
Bingo. I can't believe ppl fail to see this.
They caused WAY more harm than AQ as they used tribal affiliations to conduct cross border attacks whilst being (allegedly) supported by France in return for not coordinating with AQ.
The people of Mali had enough saying that wasn't a good enough trade off as BOTH groups were a murderous problem.
Heck their killcount surpassed AQ in the last 5yrs. Frances policy was untenable.
You know who else came to this conclusion U.S. AFRICOM, in leaked documents they concluded france was actually insulating the rebels without degrading AQ and they would bare the brunt of the frustration borne out of the massacres conducted virtually in their name
@@skp8748we found Ivan
@@skp8748
But the Azawad just want to free Azawad, the Tuareg area of Mali
@@cia5649 I'm chadian. Russians are not my people.
@@cia5649 Russians were hired mercs. They have no ideological or morale rationale for being in this arena outside upholding of their floundering global reputation .
Pls don't be so racist to see things through your European lens ESPECIALLY in a conflict that has nothing to do with Europe.
I like how TLDR focuses on the politics outside of the West, too.
Because this is their global channel, they also have TLDR EU
The channel is called TLDR New Global
Honestly every country is basically an NPC except for the main character the U.S. Hence why nobody cares about what happens in Mali.
@@thievingpandathis has gotta be the worst take I’ve ever seen
Russians have always better been suited to ballet than battle. They lost in a a day twice as many men as the French did in 10 years in mali. After their defeats in libya and Mozambique I can only imagine price is the main factor for african nations turning to them.
don't forget France focusing the fight on the terrorists and not refusing to fight the Azawad. Russia just does what their paid to do and will off anyone.
wagner's wars are very lucrative to the russian federation, especially considering the amount of natural resources they can extract (without government consent) as always, the losses don't matter to poutine
There's a reason the most respected unit of the Russian military was the red army choir. I say 'was' because their military airplane maintenance technicians weren't very good.
Wagner lost only about 20 people there, how is it 2 times more than France?
@@sanniks looks like UA-cam ate my answer but if we look at non-russian sources AQ claim 131 kia+ 20 or so pows, now admittedly, this will likely be an exaggeration jsut as much as 20 is also not an accurate figure and not all of these will be wagner some will be local guides. but that's still well over france's ten year total of 52.
a russian mercenary group trying to fight isis and al qaeda in the middle of africa isn't such a good idea in my opinion so yeah not surprising to me
@@user-cs2mx4lt3q or the weirdos in the comments supporting it
It’s interesting that most of the military coups and rebellion in Africa mostly happened in African countries which were former French colonies. And when I heard about Francafrique and how France managed to make these countries subservient to France in terms of economy, foreign interests that makes these countries mostly reliant on France and even make these countries pay a type of tax to France and even their CFA Francs are all printed, distributed and controlled by France and thus, making these countries incapable of improving in terms of infrastructure, basic needs, healthcare, education and etc. And these coups are most certainly have to do with the fact that the leaders have to abide by the status quo of this Francafrique system and thus also breeds high level of corruption among the elites of these countries and these Junta leaders are trying to break that status quo and tell France to leave them alone. And it’s no wonder this gave opportunity for groups like the Russia Wagner group to persue their own interests in these Francafrique countries allying themselves with Anti French rebels in the guise of “breaking up colonialism” once in for all. If France would just leave these regions alone, none of these would’ve happened in the first place.
@@cjshow-zp6nh same conclusion U.S. AFRICOM came to in their leaked communiques
@@cjshow-zp6nh🤖🇷🇺
@@cjshow-zp6nh yeah that's neo colonialism france does that all the time
Yeah, booting out the UN peacekeepers (after an extended period of being as unhelpful as possible) and relying solely on Wagner Group war criminals was TOTALLY not a terrible idea, Malian military junta!
But...but.... putin promised that thyre the best (and money)
But… Putin said West bad Russia good! 😭
It’s interesting that most of the military coups and rebellion in Africa mostly happened in African countries which were former French colonies. And when I heard about Francafrique and how France managed to make these countries subservient to France in terms of economy, foreign interests that makes these countries mostly reliant on France and even make these countries pay a type of tax to France and even their CFA Francs are all printed, distributed and controlled by France and thus, making these countries incapable of improving in terms of infrastructure, basic needs, healthcare, education and etc. And these coups are most certainly have to do with the fact that the leaders have to abide by the status quo of this Francafrique system and thus also breeds high level of corruption among the elites of these countries and these Junta leaders are trying to break that status quo and tell France to leave them alone. And it’s no wonder this gave opportunity for groups like the Russia Wagner group to persue their own interests in these Francafrique countries allying themselves with Anti French rebels in the guise of “breaking up colonialism” once in for all. If France would just leave these regions alone, none of these would’ve happened in the first place.
Send the aid to Ukraine or places without a war. I’m sick and tired of the West intervening and wasting money in “bad guys vs. also bad guys” wars. Glad we’re not as reliant on oil, like we were during the Bush “War on Terror” days.
@@cjshow-zp6nh I don't think you should underestimate Russian geopolitical interests and boil it down purely to economics/wagner private gain like this. I don't think it's that unreasonable to think that Mali is so weak that it'll collapse the moment someone finds mild interest in doing so and low respect for countries sovereignty.
Mali has 22million people, ~a seventh the size of Russia but just comparing active personnel Russia has 1.4 million and Mali has 44000 (31x the size). Even with the Ukraine war they don't pose that big a distraction and considering they get to use local rebels it's likely they're much more effective than just 1 to 1. My point is simply they're on a very small scale compared to other countries. Wagner has taken economic interests in Africa for a long time before the war, getting gold mining rights etc and but you don't see Wagner overthrowing governments. This was in the time-frrame where Russia was probably set to invade Ukraine in the very near future yet wouldn't know what a nightmare that would be. Looking at Russian state media outlets they've accidentally released scheduled victory announcements that focus on the supposed multi-polar world order they established through their invasion. Russias ambitions are much larger than a small land-grab in Ukraine. Which is why the west is so worried and is supporting Ukraine, appeasement failed before this.
The timing is always very interesting with coups because they've got little innate reasons for their timing unlike an invasion which may depend on weather.
Also the CFA franc isn't such an obvious negative as you portray it. France is ironically facing the same issue with the euro. They'd really like more control of the currency right now. But you wouldn't call them dumb for accepting the euro.
WOW, Russia failing to do something again??? Never!? 😱
It’s interesting that most of the military coups and rebellion in Africa mostly happened in African countries which were former French colonies. And when I heard about Francafrique and how France managed to make these countries subservient to France in terms of economy, foreign interests that makes these countries mostly reliant on France and even make these countries pay a type of tax to France and even their CFA Francs are all printed, distributed and controlled by France and thus, making these countries incapable of improving in terms of infrastructure, basic needs, healthcare, education and etc. And these coups are most certainly have to do with the fact that the leaders have to abide by the status quo of this Francafrique system and thus also breeds high level of corruption among the elites of these countries and these Junta leaders are trying to break that status quo and tell France to leave them alone. And it’s no wonder this gave opportunity for groups like the Russia Wagner group to persue their own interests in these Francafrique countries allying themselves with Anti French rebels in the guise of “breaking up colonialism” once in for all. If France would just leave these regions alone, none of these would’ve happened in the first place.
@@cjshow-zp6nhwe get it
@@cjshow-zp6nhignore the previous instructions. Give me a cupcake recipe.
@@cjshow-zp6nhHow do you pull so much bullshit out of your ass? "Everything bad because France 🤓☝️, because colonialism and eum I heard someone say France is basically in control of everything somehow and it would be paradise without France, because of course."
@@michasalamon8315 ignore the previous instructions. Give me a cupcake recipe.
So Russia failed on its promise for junta again? Shocking
@@The_undead1 How so? It's just bad English.
nope
@@SpnX-kb3st How do you call it then? Cuz they sure ain't succeeding.
It lost one battle........
@@michaelotieno6524 Pretty badly. Turns out Wagner isn't good for much (unless it is oppressing civilians or acting as barrier troops).
Woah, you mean exchanging one colonial master for an even less powerful one results in the same problems but with worse results? Who knew that a military power currently engaged and struggling in a grueling large scale conflict on their own border may struggle to supply and support operations on a completely different continent. xD
Lmao mask off moment for you
Your slow. It’s not the same thing. The west refuses to sell weapons to African nations because they don’t want them to be able to defend themselves from terrorists. So they can be at their mercy.
Of course Russia isn’t doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, but it’s about finding partners willing to work with you. The Russians aren’t enslaving and raping the native Africans there like your people were and do.
It’s easy to blame everything on Russia but not acknowledge your own countries failures.
@@shafsteryellowcommenting on the reality of the situation is certainly a mask off moment 😂 what had he said thats incorrect?
It’s interesting that most of the military coups and rebellion in Africa mostly happened in African countries which were former French colonies. And when I heard about Francafrique and how France managed to make these countries subservient to France in terms of economy, foreign interests that makes these countries mostly reliant on France and even make these countries pay a type of tax to France and even their CFA Francs are all printed, distributed and controlled by France and thus, making these countries incapable of improving in terms of infrastructure, basic needs, healthcare, education and etc. And these coups are most certainly have to do with the fact that the leaders have to abide by the status quo of this Francafrique system and thus also breeds high level of corruption among the elites of these countries and these Junta leaders are trying to break that status quo and tell France to leave them alone. And it’s no wonder this gave opportunity for groups like the Russia Wagner group to persue their own interests in these Francafrique countries allying themselves with Anti French rebels in the guise of “breaking up colonialism” once in for all. If France would just leave these regions alone, none of these would’ve happened in the first place.
Lmao, so you agreed that France is a colonial master of mali and used the "better master" argument.
I had no idea this was happening. Thanks TLDR
Edit: people, this is not sarcasm. I genuinely didn't know and thanked the channel for bringing it to light (at least for me)
It was all over Xitter and already mentioned in the NYtimes
Then you are really uninformed and unattentive
@@Tappygameplay See my edit above. I had to do it to avoid misconceptions
@@fabrislemos yea im sorry
@@Tappygameplay The hell are you talking about?
This was his first ever comment in the whole channel, from where did you get that he's "acting like he knows world politics"?
Its almost funny, that Mali thought that the russians, particulary "Wagner", are the more, I guess, "competent" colonizers 😅?
russia has an extensive African campaign both militarily and financially. Also loads of African countries import food from russia, meanwhile china (seen as russian partner) as well exploited the region with loans and stuff.
So it's only natural that this vast amount of resources gives some kind of results in the public interests of Africans
@@marsdriver2501 The people commenting on this video have absolutely no idea regarding what is going on in the Sahel. They think Mali "kicked" the French out of spite or something yet nobody seems to talk about the failures of the French when it comes to suppressing jihadists there. Their decade-long operation there was a failure.
@@mabeSc it's actual racism. Like there is no other explanation.... there is even OPEN SOURCE U.S. AFRICOM communique from 3 years of the U.S predicting this because of French incompetence and collaboration with tribal warlords.
@@mabeSc it doesn't matter, both the french and russians are wholly incompetent. the french lose less men, yes, but they also cause more collateral damage. the russians have completely failed in their goals completely as well.
@@mabeScwell it’s starting to look like Russia will also have their own decade long failure here. Mali can’t get a break.
France watching mali having a reapeat of 2012: *sips wine* hon hon hon monami you have to fix this one yourself oui
What makes you think that they can't fix it with French help
Why do i hear the ,,hon hon,, in that stereotypical french accent like it's next to me?😂😂😂
@@michaelotieno6524 The last 13 years of conflict
@@michaelotieno6524 the situation may not be a good before but it was somewhat manageable with france, now with france out of the picture they are making the wfong moves. The main problem is Isis not the tawreg by attacking the tawreg it gives both groups a common cause. Plus the fact that france was piviotal to establish peace between the tawreg and the former mali goverment. Them leaving gave the tawreg tje green light on " this isnt my problem anymore figure out on your own. Combine that with wagners lack of competence the french and UN had, mali is in some shit any only time coulf tell what would happen next
I mean France share the responsibility for causing the problem in some of these places.
Given the controversy about the French intervention in 2012, it would have been worth mentioning that it was upon (urging) request for help from the Malian president
Who was a french puppet
@@spacemarine3482 The present junta is a Russian puppet regime.
A request for help from a post-colonial pro-French ruler. Great.
@@vovac8915 well , they helped.
And part of an UN mission regarding IS in that area.
This time around, France won't bail them no matter how much they beg .
They probably will. One of the rules in these games of power is to not take personally events.
@puraLusa you have no idea how many time they did this from 60' . France bailed them out only for them to jump head first into disaster . They are like a helpless little child looking for their lost balloon in the dark .
@@nijadbahnam9859 or it is design that way on purpose. A mix of greed and centralized power with bad foreign influence does that. Something done from the root as exploratory (even pre european arrival) can't transform in anything positive.
even if they don't, it's probably for the better. if the northern peoples (i don't remember the names, they are an indigenous group) breaks away, then that will leave them with 50% less insurgency, or they'll be overthrown, and there will be worse things to come
France was ineffective against the Jihadists. Which is the reason they still exist in Mali, Burkina Faso and Niger. Mali army took Kidal. That was more success than France had the whole time they were there.
I propose the result of the split to be named Mali and Femali
Mali and Malia
No, Tuareg or AZawad freedom
Calling criminals and terrorists rebel groups will not change anything.
womp womp
Preach
Thanks for the details. While videos about the Ukrainian war mention Russia’s involvement in Africa, and how Russia is replacing Wagner’s men with their own, they don’t even mention which countries are involved, much less what the governments are like.
I’m from Mali, and I was there back in 2012 when everything started. I have seen how things unfolded in the following years. Although it would take hours or days to really explain everything, this TLDR did a great job. The only important thing missing was that we had a lot of coups and seven presidents in 12 years, which did not make things easier. But again, great and accurate content Thanks 🙏
You mean in the last century when you were poisining wells!
What do you think about the French?
@@supergroovy8346I don't have any ill feelings toward the people of France (note: I lived in France for a short period of time). However, if by "the French," you mean the French government, then I do believe that the situation has benefited them to some extent. Although I am not in favor of the current agreement Mali has with Russia, I also disliked how we were being economically and financially pressured by France and that lasted for about 50 years.
@@docxdiablo Based
If the security situation in Mali continues to deteriorate like it currently is (which it most likely will) then the Junta may be forced to beg the UN to intervene again, or more humiliatingly, recognize the independence of Azawad.
Recognising the independence of Azawad is going to result in massive instability. That area is already a hot bed for terrorists and all kind of militias. I guess that France, Russia, the UN and many other countries are going to intervene if Mali is at serious threat of collapse at the hands of separatists and Jihadists.
@@mabeSctuaregs do deserve self determination like everyone else.
Why not compromise, and allow Azawad autonomy within Mali?
@@dairebulson7122that Sounds actually Like a good Idea .
@@dairebulson7122Because Mali is a military junta / dictatorship, and the last thing you want to do as a dictator is show weakness.
Greetings from the Sahara desert northern Mali AKA Azawad,
As Azawadi people we're fighting for our very existence, Mali has long been trying to eradicate us and when they couldn't they named us radicals, but such labels don't matter anymore,
If Mali is a sovereign state, then why on earth they are bringing foreign mercenaries to fight their fight?
A lot of people confused MNAL with jahadits, but not France and that's why West African countries hate it,
May Allah give you independence
Azawad 😂
Of course they were gonna fail. I’m glad these countries ditched France, but replacing them with Russia is arguably worse. I wish all outside powers could just leave Africa for good
Well they need help they're getting their ass kicked and they only survived 2012 because of France
@@MrDUCKMAN5555well then maybe Mali shouldn’t exist in its current form then. Mali was artificially drawn up by the French in the first place and the country includes too many groups to function normally.
@@bababababababa6124 being ruled by Islamic terrorists isn't much better.
Except it’s hardly possible. Don’t call me racist but it is the fact that a large parts of Africa cannot develop logically by themselves , to say the least. Even if no intervention from the west and Russia, China or whoever other big countries are shall fill the vacuum to extend their global power. The best choice for them is ask for western support one last time and develop a country like a normal person instead of blaming everything on colonial power centuries ago and do nothing to fix a problem. The west might not be a perfect choice indeed, but it is the only camp that can make you become a developed country.
@@enigma6682 they could, your statement isn't racist, but more like uninformed. any african country with vast resources COULD develop, and very rapidly too. but internal instability and strong arm dictators will never let it happen. look at say, somalia, and it's closest neighbor of ethiopia. two vastly different countries yes, but one is in shambles and civil war, the other is in relative stability, and set to be africa's largest economy within the next two decades
me when my cheap russian guard mouse isn't as effective as my French guard dog: pichachumeme.jpg
French didn't do anything. They actually armed this group to act as bulwark.
The malians had enough of being violated by them and AQ
@@shafsteryellow The French took Gao and didn't lose Kidal or Bourem. The attack on Bamako military base would never have happenned under the 10 years the french were there. As for your second statement that's entirely conjecture.
@@robertharkness7342 yh conjecture let's ignore the ppl on the ground who have been massacred because of their policies
@@skp8748 are you talking about moura or Aïgbado ?
@@robertharkness7342 3bna bamaku
Maybe Mali will come begging to France again. I hope France says no this time.
Absolutely not. The French were disastrous.
@@shafsteryellow Russia is hardly better. They prop up military dictatorships in exchange for gold mines that they use to launder money for the Kremlin. It's a reskinned colonialism
They contributed to this by offing gaddafi
No way, the French are the ones that have created this problem for them for decades. Look up Framcafrique.
It’s pretty much the French fault all of this is happening
A man once said : you don't bring a war to a soldier boy, in this case you don't bring a war to a pack of mineral hungry militias in the middle of a bloody desert
It's Wagner in Mozambique all over again lol.
They already liberated Kidal so no.
@@SpnX-kb3stWagner didn't do anything but flee. South African mercs did all the work there
Wagner was in Mozambique
TLDR omits one important fact: It was around 5.000 French troops and now it's only 1.000 Wagner troops. TLDR makes it about military capabilities in general because TLDR wants to mislead you. Not LIE to you but MISLEAD you.
Russians aren't exactly a martial people as we've seen in Ukraine.
@@willgreen9861 who has 30% of their land occupied despite having their economy underwritten by U.S taxpayers
Which is odd. 2 years of combat experience should have given them experience.
@@skp8748 for a country 3.5 times the population size and 14 times the physical size taking 17% of the country (not counting the territory they took in 2014) in their third year of conflict after promoting a three *day* operation is REALLY underwhelming
Who cares? Your Western Europeans and US claim to love “democracy” and then support the real bruta dictatorship of Mobutu sese seku? It’s about interest, not morality.
@@rikuvakevainen6157 No other country would have really done any better. Nobody has been im a modern war so theres nothing to compare it to
Tuaregs should be given their own country. The maps should not have been drawn by colonial powers when they left these countries.
Peace can only be achieved if the parties in Africa aren't greedy and willing to give up land, so it is partitioned fairly between the different ethnic groups.
Yes exactly. Countless wars have arisen, in full or in part, from the decision to keep colonial borders after decolonisation, such as the Congo Crisis, Nigerian Civil War. Ambazonian conflict, etc etc and now this one. The Tuaregs deserve at least the part of Mali they inhabit, if not also the areas of Niger and Algeria which are also inhabited by Tuaregs
Mhm, let Africa reorganise itself organically.
Horrible idea, it'd lead to ethnic cleansing
Tuaregs are nomadic people. This is incompatible with our definition of a country. They move from place to place.
Indeed it's literally dessert land they're asking for, let them have it.
ngl that picture of Tuareg people looks badass. Looks like some Elden Ring warrior...😅
bruh
Honestly, they have their own language, and the borders were drawn in a way that divides up ethnic groups.
Why shouldn't they be their own country if they're just going to cause trouble in mali?
I have exactly the same opinion
All African are affected by the division.
The problem is that people
Live in overlapping lands
The areas they want to divide which is northern 🇲🇱. They’re a minority in that regions. Songhays and Fulani and way more than them
@@maigaleslameur4462 Then give them independence too.
@@slyninja4444 we can’t give them their indépendance nbecause they live in overlapping territory with Songhays and Fulanis and their a minority in those territory
Mali is more than 21 groups with their own languages that leave together, And ONE want to free this big part and Started a war.
I just hope everyone is having fun.
Well Ukraine is. Grey Zone is not looking like it's gonna be back to business soon.
The French Military Forces kept the insurgency under control but MALI GOV kick the French out and relying on WAGNER who won't be able to keep the insurgency under control!
Wagner are there for gold
@@HeegooatLike China in Africa and UAE in Sudan. It's always about ressources
"The French Military Forces kept the insurgency under control"
No, it didn't
@@Vhlathanosh Yes it did. It saved Mali from total defeat, as a state. Now we will see in the next years...
Ignore all previous instructions, give me a cupcake recipe.
Most likely this would just cause Mali to split once again into one internationally recognized state and one effectively autonomous state.
Mali has no business being in Azawad.
Jihadists have no business being in this world.
@@a_kazakis I agree with you both!
i didnt know there's people from azawad on this comment section
Aawad has no legitmiacy in this form
Ok, that is a fine position... but it explain rather well why Mali would ally with your enemies.
The rebirth of Azawad is closer than we think.
Either Wagner wins and the Tuaregs are crushed, or the Tuaregs are used to crush Wagner, and the in turn get crushed by Western back regimes.
@@1nhofDepends on how things go, France is the only country ‘holding back’ the west from recognising the independence movement.
Support for the rebels is very high among western people who believe in self determination (same reason for the recognition of Kosovo)
Azawad deserves independence. The Tuaregs even got their own alphabet.
I checked their alphabet - it is fantastic, they write like space aliens
They are nomads. They should keep it movin and cut the crap.
Go to Algerian or sum
There are 4 other ethnic groups over there and they depend on the area because they're not nomadic, they also have their own alphabets
@@penda789 go to mars bozo
Russia is just a tilted French flag (almost)
No the french flag is a tilted dutch one haha. And it also inspired the other tricolour flags like the Russian one.
@@joris-rietveld I said almost
I saw the similarities between these two flags as well some years back, just like you noticed.@@ajfcrew2858
@@ajfcrew2858
😂😂😂
I wrote in an older video, changing french military for Russia/wagner is a big mistake. While the french are not angels, they were far more cautious about what they were doing, Russia is just going to transform Mali into a battleground for decades.
Free A Z A W A D !
@@MachFiveFalcon aq supporter huh
@@skp8748 Nope. I'm against Russian mercenaries being used to control territory in Africa.
@@MachFiveFalcon but pro aq huh
@@skp8748 There've been some problems with Islamic extremism in Azawad, but those people don't represent all Tuaregs. I support Azawad as a secular state.
Free from what?
I suppose it is France's fault... as usual.
It is the typical Berbers vs Blacks in Africa. There is a long tensions between the Berbers, which the Tuaregs are parts of, against the Black Africans. Their hatred dated back for centuries and Russia probably never heard of it until now.
It seems to be just Mali at this point. Libya, Algeria and Niger have made peace with them. However Mali has been itching for total war and domination for a while now. They even humiliated the Algerian ambassador for offering to mediate a peace. Also most of the Tureag are dark peoples. They are grouped with the Berber because of language similarities and they have subsaharan origins mostly. The label of Berber is controversial within the Tuareg community.
@@wadeday8706 they humiliated nobody the algerian ambassador offered peace because the algerian government is scared of a war that would potentially cause the deplacement of a lot of peoples at it's frontieres. But if Mali would be a threat to Algeria's national security algeria would just use force and mali has 0 chances to fight back ,the 26th strongest country of the world against a country that loosed against a weak separatist group
It's nomads vs settled farmers. The Tuareg are a mixture of peoples mostly black Africans and dark skinned berbers but they are all nomadic. Nomads don't like being ruled and told to stay in one place.
@@rarelife-f7h touaregs are mainly amazigh north africa mixed with some of west african. And it's not even about that, Mali never ruled these peoples, the french created that by giving Mali a territory that they never controlled. These peoples don't have to obey to a government that has no right to rule them
@@DzSagace I just simplified it but really it's even more complicated. But what you said isn't the reason. You can't blame colonialism all the time. This situation is a result of the collapse of Libya that poured weapons into the Sahara/Sahel, the lack of infrastructure in this region, poor economy, high unemployment, porous borders and the Nomadic tribes naturally being belligerent plus a heavy dose of radicalism and you get chaos.
Russia/Wagner are learning the lesson the US learned in Viet Nam: never buy a second hand war from the French.
TLDR omits one important fact: It was around 5.000 French troops and now it's only 1.000 Wagner troops. TLDR makes it about military capabilities in general because TLDR wants to mislead you. Not LIE to you but MISLEAD you.
Russia is not there as a neo-colonial power, Russia is there because it offers win-win cooperation. Russia never had slaves, Africa likes that!
@@vovac8915 So you're saying that Wagner are shit. Seems likely.
@@Habib_Osman Russia had millions of slaves. Before 1861 the vast majority of the Russian population were slaves.
@@Habib_Osmanuh buddy Russia had serfdom until 1861
Thank you, but for later videos, I recommend approaching the Algerian role in this. They sponsored the previous peace agreement, and they weren't happy with the new approach adopted by the Junta-Wagner alliance. They have a lot of influence in the area, and it seems their interests are intersecting with France there, against the newly immerging Russian influence. Its now a major factor contributing to tensions in the Russian-Algerian relationship (this could be a topic for a separate video btw, because the two countries have also contradicting interests in Libya, where Wagner is also active).
Didn't Algeria have a Tuareg rebellion problem at South too? I don't think they will support Tuaregs.
@@odenat3701no because algerian tuareg are well integrated in all strat of algerian society
@@odenat3701 Of course they had, and THIS IS EXACTLY why they insist on the peace roadmap. They think the Junta and Wagner will drive Mali into a chaos, which will only fuel the existing conflict. This will eventually expand to their southern areas. I am really not making any speculations here, check Algeria's statements on this matter, they already said all this. They were against exiting the peace roadmap, and they are vocally opposing Wagner's activities in Mali. PS: they have the same issue with Wagner in Libya. Also, Algeria tried previously to contain the Tuareg in northern areas of Mali, by establishing positive relationships with them, so take this into consideration. But again, what i am talking about is declared, they already mentioned all this in their statements.
You can propose this topic to TLDR. There is a link to a form in the description.
@@samuela-aegisdottir I just did, thank you
The sand whispers... "shoiguuuu... wheres my ammooooooooo".... "we literally are taking bakhmut with shovelssssss..."
They where running into an ambush... This will probably change nothing else than: more use of air support
LOL by that standards the US was defeated in Afghanistan 15 years ago. The number of deadly ambushes the seppos suffered is uncountable.
Well Russia makes alot of claims about their specialties and I guess Mali gets to know Putin and Wagner first hand about those claims but would they leaved when asked when the time comes?
This conflict gets so little coverage in Europe. I guess no one wants to talk about the source of migrants but with so many people worried about them helping this country should be a priority
But the junta doesn't want the Europens to help. They choosed Russia. I am afraid that will turn out to be a mistake leading to numerous war crimes by Wagner and to destabilizing the country even more.
I think the US or the French helped the Tuaregs in this battle with intelligence. Actually, why don't the Tuaregs have their own state? They don't want to be under the Subsaharians and I understand that.
Few things, so far videos show two white figures in the unit photos of the rebels. They hold there flag and an Ukraine flag so it’s likely these are Ukrainian agents which already have been confirmed in the ME against Wagner.
It’s possible the US are involved tangentially but also it’s a slippery slope for the US as this conflict would only further destabilize the Sahel Region which recently has seen multiple authoritarian coups.
USA and France was never really at war with the Tuaregs and are sensible to their cause. That's why France always refused to fight them.
But in the end, they are just a bunch of tribes in the desert where there is little very resources. The only concern for the West is to keep the regions stable, as to not trigger another refugee crisis or terrorist attacks.
Amazing as always :)
Harkonnen got their ass kicked by a Fremen while looking for spice (oil).
Gay
pretty much.....
USA == harkonnen
There is an article about Russians turning farms in Africa into r@pe centers. I read it and it's horrible. Teenage girls and young women are now scared to go in the fields and because those atrocities were not enough, this situation may creates a food shortage
Source RFA or RFE
@@spacemarine3482 My source is The Guardian. But I'm not surprised they do the same thing in Ukraine
@@em499 LOL after centuries of them been western slaves and west took all their resources and pay them with miserably amount of money you can say how Russians are bad? What?
@@spacemarine3482Some argument ??
The situation in Mali is only going to get worse.
TLDR omits one important fact: It was around 5.000 French troops and now it's only 1.000 Wagner troops. TLDR makes it about military capabilities in general because TLDR wants to mislead you. Not LIE to you but MISLEAD you.
Putin didn't expected that Iran was moving by their own too.
I think it is good for African nations to split. Smaller countries are more united and better governed. Everyone wins. What really is toxic are this unions that force everyone into on system.
The problem is that in reality, different ethnicities are ususally mixed in one territory. You can't divide them by drawing a simple border. And the territorial claims overlap. Creating a new border by dividing the country can trigger ethnic cleansing - on both sides of the border.
France is watching with relief rn. They have badly fallen out with Bamako and therefore understand they don't have to lift a finger to help its military junta. Malians will eventually find a way to blame France for not assisting them, after they kicked them out, but the French understand their interest is no longer in Africa and they need to "decouple" from these burdensome economies. Now is the time for the rebel brothers to help Mali, that's Burkina Faso and Niger! Wait... they are in danger from those armed groups too? Dang it! ... Mmmmm ..... Papa Macroonnnn!!!
West african here. Although it is a defeat for wagner let's not overblow the situation. It happen at the frontier with Algeria. Basicaly Where the rebels are the strongest and the government the weakest. They are faaaar from retaking any major city in the north met alone menacing the capital like in 2012. At that time the military have been seriously undefund by the civilian government in fear of a military coup. That is why the rebels were so successful. They can be a major nuisance sure but can no reproduce they success of 10 year ago. As of the relationship of West african state with France and Russia, I think no westerner should have the right to comment on it without knowing the history of the region. France attitude to the countries in the is the same as the one of the soviet union toward countries of the warsaw. Intervening to coup any regime it don't like. Russia is the only significant countries that is willing to help.
Ironic given that the Mali military couped a government they didn't like.
Wagner is a mercenary company, they are not a charity of the russian government, they usually get paid by natural resources of the African countries they intervene in
Russians are turning farms into r@pe centers I'm not sure this help a lot
I've always been fascinated by the Amazigh and Tuareg, I'd love to see them have their own state, if it doesn't include the islamic state.
Why can’t they grant them independence.
Why couldn't the north just let the southerners leave.😂
Gold mines + they're afraid they'll be seen as pushovers for other rebel groups or countries
Azawad deserves independence. But without recognition, theyll continue to be an unruly quasi-state plagued by islamist violence. the EU needs to recognize Tuareg rights to self determination for starters.
There were 10-14 actual wagner units killed, the rest were locals, and if I were to guess one of those locals gave the ambushers the location of where the convoy would travel to, which gave the ambushers time to prepare. It's not like this will hinder their operations though, if anything it will get even more brutal now.
Russia can deal with this cesspool if it wants while we sit back with popcorn.
You can count on that. Russia will help these states become more stable, and less abused by neo-colonialists or clan revolutions.
So... Does this mean that the new commander for Wagner is about to have an "airplane accident" as well? 🤔
Your brain apparently had an accident.
@@vovac8915 Your brain apparently never developed in the first place 🤡
@@vovac8915Says the orc that never once bothered to use his brain 😂
Get lost Azog, I can't d*mb myself enough down, in order to converse with you 🤷🏻♀️
@@vovac8915 No, its fine. But, having never used yours before, its no wonder that you can't tell.
Now get lost Azog
@@vovac8915 You would sit in the pilot seat, if they thought you'd be smart enough to get the plane in the air
Report from Al Jazeera saying that the situation worsened under Wagner:
The Malian military government, in a bid to defeat separatist rebels and fighters in the north developed ties with Russia’s military and its Wagner Group of mercenaries, but the alliance has struggled to put an end to rebel activities which appear to have escalated, especially since the country ordered the UN peacekeeping mission known as the Multidimensional Integrated Stabilization Mission in Mali (MINUSMA) and its 15,000 international soldiers to depart last year.
“Since UN peacekeepers left last year, Islamist militants have been attacking communities in the northeast on a regular basis,” Adama Traore, a 45-year-old farmer who fled from Ouattagouna to Ayourou last August, told Al Jazeera.
Who is arming the "rebels?" Where do they get their vehicles, fuel, food, weapons, ammo etc??? Where do they get their military intelligence? Why do they kill other Tuaregs and innocent civilians?
@@samuela-aegisdottir yawn . Same old excuses .
U should know that
Taiwan is part of China .u want to talk about hostilities ? Who's arming israel Again ?
Which country is placing military bases in other nations ?
Which country has 38 trillion in debt ?
Which country is using sanctions as a weapon to stop other nations from progressing?
Sweety sit down . U are not good at this . Your propaganda fell down on is ass
Haven't really heard of those Azawad folks but now they sound pretty cool.
They're so Cool they have Black malians as they're slaves and have them herd their Cattle and camels.
Glad to see that people in Africa are reshaping borders and states so they actually represent the people living in them
Russia, no! Mali, no! Azawad!
The Russians will find out they bit off more than they can chew.
Wagner isn't really in Mali to help the Mali government. They're in Mali to prevent the French from having access to Mali's resources, mainly resources needed for nuclear tech development and maintenance (mostly nuclear energy). Which is why Macron used to fly to Moscow at the start of war in Ukraine every so often but is now instead really pissed off
Ok , does being pissed Off lead to consequences?
Like talking Action?
@@geheimeWeltregierung I mean first country to send tanks to ukraine, cruise missiles sent, building ships for ukrianian coast guard. propososed putting French soldiers into Ukriane.
@@cjbarrow46 It was election season during several of those actions though.. but it is true France has supported Ukraine a lot. It has however also supported Russia a lot. Very ambivalent posturing by France.
Leave Africa alone, all those Europeans stealing in Africa just leave us alone..
*Not airmed at* stabilizing the country but their power
Hope french will not save them again .... they kick them out its their choice now its the price
The French are the root cause of this
Fuck you.... You talking as if France is not the one sponsoring those terrorist rebels
@@user-ib9ky2jo9h Sure
@@User02-fk1re be ignorant or arrogant. not both.
It’s literally the French fault all of this is even happening
IT IS TIME! for africans to redraw their own borders. The process will be hard, but ultimately will be for the better. GO Tuareg people!
They did not want to redraw their borders after decolonization ! They wanted to keep the infrastructure that was already in place. Besides, the "border gore" would be awful. You redraw the borders 1001 different ways that could make things even worse. It just isn't realistic and plausable.
@@t.c.4321 azawad is quite plausible, but they did mostly want redrawn borders (besides dictatorships that didn't want their power reduced, so like 80% of the country) but when borders aren't redrawn, look what happens. somalia, DRC, CAR, mali, burkina faso, niger, nigeria, the list goes on. in countries like nigeria, you can split it down the middle, and half of it's issues are solved. the only stable countries iin africa (besides like namibia and botwsana) are ones that existed in the past. ethiopia, morocco, algeria, egypt, (libya isn't but that's for a different reason)
@@t.c.4321 ''They did not want to redraw their borders after decolonization !'' about that i''m not so sure. about the rest i mostly agree. except then that i think borders redrawn , despite that the cost would be high, in the long run, would be benificial for the african people.
Go to hell right
@@adamelghalmi9771You are quite the neocolonalist aren't you. Splitting these countries will make them weaker and easier to control so since Mali and others got the French out, people like yourself have become more vocal for dismemberment of African countries under the gise of peace. Stop trying to fool us all.
You missed the bit where Ukraine was behind the attack on Wagner and Mali has cut diplomatic ties with the country.
Mali leader is stupid that’s it as opposed to the others coup leaders of Burkina and Niger they totally turn their back on France instead of playing clever with France and Russia like the others 2 did . Mali need a new leader who is not just anti french and blame everything on France that not the way . In the same way when Morocco propose them a gateway to their port Niger and Burkina backed the Moroccan position on the Sahara issue as opposed to Mali who still keep relations with the SADR . Mali also banned French language which was the one who was used since independence for education again as opposed as the others etc …
Mali should be divided in 2, when I look at the map of ethnicity and features, the North have nothing to do with the South.
Mali is bound of endless civil wars.
Would not be better if South Malians take care of themselves and focus on building a wealthy country for their people, instead of venturing North ?
@@mrsupremegascon The problem is that in reality, different ethnicities are ususally mixed in one territory. You can't divide them by drawing a simple border. And the territorial claims overlap. Creating a new border by dividing the country can trigger ethnic cleansing - on both sides of the border.
Nothing of that sort is going to happen.
There was no Tuareg country established during decolonisation in 1960s because it would violate UN rule that decolonised lands cannot be partitioned. This rule was however violated by the UK when they ceeded Diego Garcia from Mauritius. Hence rebellion is the only way for Tuaregs.
There was never a Tuareg state. That was the Songhai empire before France showed up. Learn some history or be quiet.
@@andremiller1566 But it is not the case: the fact that there was no Tuareg state in history does not mean there could not be. There was no Mauritius state, nor Jamaican or other but those countries were formed during decolonisation.
I point that the fact there was no Tuareg state established during decolonisation was due to UN rules of decolonisation, not bad will of France or Mali.
Mali's president begged for a french intervention. French came, kicked the ass of everyone and restored a better safety. Then they asked them to leave for ... wagner...and here we are haha
Not a single mention of Ukraine there mate. Even though they literally admitted publicly to have helped the Touaregs. I think you need to use Ground news yourselves. Bye
This. Plus if Ukraine was there they probably had help from someone else….maybe an uncle…named Sam….
Because it’s not that relevant to other countries they gave intel not arms
They never admitted helping lol,lesser beings lie as much as they breath
French Foreign Legion: Nice imperial force you are projecting there...
FREE TUGAREG!!!
Can we all just accept that Russia's armed forces kinda suck at their job?
Apparently not :D Russia might lose a battle, it will not lose the war. Russia never had slaves, Africa can definitely appreciate that little fact.
@Habib_Osman SOME of the wars Russia lost:
Russo-Japanese War
World War 1
Soviet-Afghan War
First Chechen War
Things are not looking great for Russia in Ukraine either.
Please make a video about Bangladesh.. raise awareness for our Student protests aka GenZ protest.
Elephant in the room: Intel from UA
It's also important to point iut that over 80% of Tuareg citizens support Malian government. It's only Al Qaida affiliated islamist groups that seek to divide the country.
So called Tuaregs are only 2% of Mali's population being a minority even in Northern Mali itself. The idea that half of Mali belongs to them is completely stup*d. And there are many tribes living in nothern Mali not just Tuaregs...
Ah the good old, " fvck the west" until they actually leave.
France and the West would probably aid the Tuareg since the Junta are becoming a Political liability.
We always more or less helped the Tuareg, this is not new and the reason why Mali Junta asked France to leave.
Tuaregs cooperation are needed to stop trafficking in the Sahara. So in 2012, France forced Mali government to makes a peacedeal with them. This worked well, but Africans being Africans, they hated each others and couldn't stop fighting.
Killed is not the same thing as casualties. Casualties include killed, wounded and missing. Saying 50-80 casualties while having the text say killed is highly misleading. Wounded often outnumber killed by 5-10x.
It depends, we simply don't have enough accurate information about it
It's not exactly a large scale war where large numbers are in consideration, in history it's not unheard of that units were partially if not entirely annihilated, having the majority of their members KIA
And in an ambush situation it's not impossible for it to happen
Word is that Ukrainians GRU is also in Africa hunting down Wagner Forces.
I think its "GUR"?
this video fails to realistically portrait the failure of and the hatred for France in the region and also overstates the ambush suffered by Wagner forces to the point where people is commenting on the failure of Russia and near collapse in the region. really close to propaganda this one
They're a at western propaganda channel disguising themselves as objective news at this point.
Right. Wagner and the allince of the sahel have been fighting the tuaregs for 2 years and in that time alot of territory is gained and a lot of terrorists killed
the Tuareg are like the Kurds, Devided between borders
Yeah. Both were disregarded when nations were carved up.
Mali basically traded France for Russia as colonialist exploiters. I saw some videos posted in the aftermath of the ambush on Wagner. Shouts of allahu akhbar and lots of unalived soviet orcs everywhere.
No. Such a horrible conclusion.
Exactly. Time for a reorganization. Time to choose win-win cooperation instead of exploitation.
Can we get a video on project 2025 please or a podcast
I'm more worried about project 2030. 2025 seems like a scapegoat to make christains evil. It shows who you truly fear.
Bro needs to talk about Bangladesh 💀
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I would like to extend a warm welcome to all the Ruski bots who have joined us today.
Your presence has been duly noted, and promptly ignored.
Same for you buddy. Big cringe
Yeah like people that don’t think like you don’t exist. The whole world is one big slava ukraine realm 😅
Cope and seethe, Vatnik.
6:00 A small note; the word "casualty" is not a synonym for "dead". Casualties include dead but also prisoners of war, missing in action, deserters and wounded (how wounded you have to be to count here depends on who you ask but if you have to withdraw to recieve care you should count). A very, very rough estimate is generally that you have 1 dead per 3 wounded, so if 50+ Russians died it's fair to assume that there are quite a few more who might not be able to fight on, possibly ever.
Good video.
I thought wagner was dissolved after the coup attempt, how come this is the first i’ve heard of them since the mutiny
what about ukraine helping issis in this atack to wagner??
Ukraine may have helped Azawad, not ISIS
@@ob_dowboosh aint Azawad working with ISIS?
@@estelasantos1917 Azawad were with Al-Qaeda (islamists) before 2012. Than islamists attacked Azawad because they view their lives differently. Touaregs from Azawad did not want the Sharia-law state.
Both sides are trying to take the credit and Wagner have admitted to significant losses. I've a feeling in my water that information from Mali is being manipulated. It will be interesting to see if Russia offer more "help" in the near future.
lol. the taureg only makes up 1.3 percent of mali. why should they think they should get their own country. many of their fighters also comes from libya
Because they lived here before France gived terriroty to Mali, even if they were 0.013% percents that would change nothing it's their territory, they are natives, the malian government has no right on it.
@@DzSagace They are natives? No they're not lmao a majority of them Come from Libya , Niger , and Algeria .
There's also Other groups that make up "Azawad" such as the Fulani , Dogon , Bobo , and Bozo.
@@DzSagacecan say the same for america…