The Two Types Of Blue Heelers and How They Were Created
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- The Two Types Of Blue Heelers and How They Were Created. The blue heeler also known as the australian cattle dog was created by two different people. First there was the halls heeler then the queensland heeler. Today we see just one heeler and call them a blue heeler or red heeler.
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Im not a cattle rancher but I got a blue heeler to keep my 1000 pound mother-in-law in line.
Thanks. So this is the dog I should keep my eye on?
😂😂that is hilarious!
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Blue heelers are maniacs. I love them
Yup, mine is a monster. He’s killed at least 5 wild dogs and some coyotes.
I lost 50 LBS keeping up with my heeler. Better than a gym membership
Yes, I've never even heard of blue heelers before. A neighbor of mine bred them. We got one for my daughters birthday and also, we have 13 acres and wantedba family dog since our sweet coco (black lab) was no longer with us. He is so extremly smart. He's 6 months old now. He nips at the kids heels when i call them in from outside. Never hurts them but it comes so natural. It's so cool.
I’ve had three litters from the same parents, both reds every litter had a blue in it !
Growing up on a ranch in Arizona, we have used them for years. My first couple were registered with the Rare Dog Association. I pray the AKC doesn’t ruin this breed like they have with every other breed they have been involved with.
Yeah, I've seen how some of the dogs registered don't seem healthy. Pugs for example could benefit from being crossed with dogs with longer snouts. Yet that's show dogs though.
If you're going to breed a dog they need a purpose. For example they can be pets, but they can also be trained for a job.
An interesting point is that Heelers are born white. The Reds and the Blues are “interchangeable “ for lack of another word. Like with Labs. You can get black, Chocolate, and Yellow in the same litter. I have a 5 year old Blue female . Her father was a Red and her mother was a Blue. In the litter of 6, 4 were Red and 2 were Blue, including my dog. You can even breed 2 Blues and have some Red pups. 👍😊Good luck with your Heeler. I would never have anything else!
I'm on my 4th Heeler in 40 years, have had nothing but and the last 3 have all been abused by men rescues that I (am a man) was able to turn them around and they became well loved by all that met them.
I love these dogs! Cutest puppies
Please don't get one because they look cute. They are intensive dogs with high energy and if you don't know what you are getting, please don't get one!
They are the absolute cutest when they’re babies🥹😭
WHY?? Blue heelers and RED HEELERS can be in the same litter!! Why do people always do videos only on blues?? Why not do them on HEELERS or ACDs ... Like doing videos only on black labs and not golden or chocolate labs.... They're all Labrador Retrievers...
I understand. Seems like most people think of blue heelers when they think of the cattle dog. But you are correct blue heelers, red heelers and ACD all the same dog
It all started after Thomas Hall died and thereafter and as part of the probate of his estate, his Hall's Heeler dogs were allowed to be sold to non-Family and non-long time employees of his vast ranch holdings. And "show dog" folks were then allowed to purchase his dogs. It was after that that show dog enthusiasts (rarely actually using the dogs to ranch/farm) took fancy/became interested in the Hall's Heelers (some took a hand at breeding in other dogs). One such person was a journalist - Robert Kaleski (author). He wrote a book - Barkers and Biters, where he stated untrue facts. He was part of the show dog club. The club took a disliking to the "red Thomas Hall dogs". TheEvey disapproved of the red Heelers. Robert Kaleski took it upon himself to write stories about the dogs and he also bought some of the Hall's Heelers dogs. Thereafter, show folks did not seek out the red's. They made conclusions that the reds were inferior in some way. Robert Kaleski took it on himself to write the first Breed Standards for the cattle dog. He made statements of disapproval for the red cattle dog. Even the Breed Standard in the United States followed the Breed Standard that Robert Kaleski first wrote. And also other countries accepted his written Breed Standards.
@@DogsNowChannelactually the correct name is Queensland Heeler. Blue tick or Red, about 25% are born Red. ACD is a Septic Tank term, and the dopey Sepos are now trying to start a breed they call american Heeler. Just as there is no such dog as Australian Kelpie, its just Kelpie. Oh, and Kelpies were never bred in the original Halls Heelers. Kelpies originated around Casterton Victoria
They are red pups from the dingoes
@@markhill9275 In the U.S. - the term "American Heeler" pertains to breeders that created, through selection, dogs that were smaller in size ... those followers and owners have been working on receiving breed acceptance of these small type cattle dogs ... and most likely naming the new recognized breed - American Heelers. But, also, Hall's Heelers were smaller dogs. Over time, dog show folks have bred them bigger in the U.S. and also Australia, etc. * * The Thomas Hall dogs have had different names over time. I may be incorrect, but it was in Australia where efforts were done to name the Hall's Heeler to "Queensland Heelers". Agreed: Kelpies were never bred into the original Halls Heelers; neither was the Border Collie.
I got so lucky finding my girl @ the Humane Society. She is the best natured, busy little girl I could ever have imagined. Their loss was my gain.. nobody claimed her so it was my lucky day..
I have a red heeler
Love the red heeler
I have a red speckled one. She's adorable! She has two black eye patches and looks like a panda.
There are two SIZES of aussi cattle dogs too. One has a slim Longer body, long legs and muzzle with taller ears. Those are from the Dessert Dingo who need that body style for their environment. The other is from the Mountain Dingo. Shorter more Robust Muzzle, Larger Chest for more lung capacity, Shorter Stronger Legs and Shorter ears. I prefer the ladder as they are just a better all around dog. Besides, the first one I ever had was from that size...Dooley,,and he was DA MAN. LOL
What are the two sizes called ?
Thank you for that info, i wondered what caused the difference between our two heelers!
Great video. But there is another "blue heeler" breed. It is the Australian Stumpy Tail Cattle Dog. I have had ACD before and recently lost my old dogs due to age and was ready to get 2 pups. They were advertised as blue heelers and we went to pick 2 out of 7 puppies from same litter. 4 pups were born without tails, the other 3 had very short tails. I got my pups and went home and researched because all ACD are born with tails. These puppies are different. They are as tall as their length unlike ACD which are shorter than their length. They also do not heel from the rear, they grab the front of your feet. This is how they herd cattle, from the head, not the nipping of the rear legs. Ears are closer together, and their colors are not muddled. They have red saddles and socks but zero red anywhere else. They do have the Bentley mark just like the ACD and just as smart. My pups are 6 months old now and just about have me under their control. I love it.
awesome great dog! ive herd of the Stumpy, they are a cool mix
Just lost our ACD from old age a few months ago. I miss her so much. She had such a personality.
@@nancywaddell289 Sorry about your loss. Been married 35 years and have had many dogs over the years. All but 2 lived to be 15 to 18 years old. My theory has always been to get another pup. Life without a dog is a life without being loved completely unconditionally.
Stumpys are a separate breed
@@NoobMaster-fi2ho They are cousins. Another branch of dogs bred with dingo's and Hall's heelers, along with Timens biters.
Great Video! They are the best dogs ever!
I got a Red one. He is busy and nippy and smarter than me. I've had him for 4 years and he hasn't slowed down
I thought you were talking about McNiven‘s American "Australian Cattle Dogs". These dogs were actually quite different in nature from the show dogs in the ACDC
Proper name is, Australian Cattle Dog.
Us from the south call it blue heeler because it’s quicker to say than Australian cattle dog. Not everyone’s an expert in grammar like you
@@lukeheigle494 In the West --- they are referred to as blue heelers / red heelers, also.
And if your like me you get to be blue and red, mine has a parent from each AND, she turned out white 🤔
Have me a blue heeler. He’s an absolute BEAST. I think he has a kill count of at least 5 other dogs. They were wild dogs. He’s also fought off coyotes before.
Heelers are the best I love my blue girl she's the best
Love this piece. Only point I would like to speak to is the one hour of exercise daily....that is on the LOW LOW end. Realistically, 3 to 5 DAILY or else.....❤ my Heeler. Best birthday gift ever! Love u bunches DottieBug. But she HAS to run ...and run....squirrels, cats, and even bird dogs Hawks, etc. Great to keep critters away from my chicken coop!
Great suggestion!
ACD's are not all high drive. We have had 4 females. ACD's are my heart breed. Our 4 ACD's were all "medium energy". Every dog breed has different energy levels. Because it is a certain breed, does not mean that all of that breed of dog has the same energy. How you train/teach and live with your ACD will also create an energy. Often times, a Heeler that is way over as to energy level .. is .. a dog that is deprived of sleep and also of learning calmness. Working a dog's brain will tire them out much, much faster than exercise and last much longer.
We recently adopted a blue heeler pup, supposedly full breed and registered but she is lanky, more black and white speckle that give a blueish tone but not that true silver color and no tan. I see more and more like her these days.
Awesome
same with mine. his ears are droopy and he has a extra toe on his heels. so i dont even know what all he is. but i call him my four legged son
Your dog sounds like she is Blue-Mottled. Blue-Mottled is an acceptable color of the ACD. Out of our 4 Heelers - 3 were Blue-Mottled. Blue-Mottled is my color of choice as to ACDs. Our other ACD gal was the "true blue" - with allowed tan markings.
The person who said they have a diamond are right
My heeler is a lazy potato. I love him.
My blue heel or puppy hurds my big lab is 7 years old and when we play.She makes sure that he retrieves everything right back to me LO.L.
One other interesting point. If you buy a Heeler, Red or Blue, you can tell it’s a 100 percent Heeler by a little white star on the top of their head. My breeder taught me that if the little star isn’t there, it not a full blooded Heeler. It may mix with a stripe, but it has to be there,😊
Or ACD and stumpy tailed cattle dog (STCD) mix. Stumpies,pure stumpies don't have the star like ACD's.
that little "star" is called a Bentley mark.
@@scumonkey And it can be very small in size ... and no, it does not have to be in the shape of a star.
My boy has that
My dog has the Bentley mark and she is 1/2 Heeler, 2/2 Catahoula Leopard
How can you know all this but not know about the stumpy tail
Actually this is factually wrong! The Queensland Heeler was created from a cross between the Halls Heeler and the Timmins Biter. The biter had a lot of Dingo, they used to tie out bitches on heat for the Dingoes to mate with. The biter was too rough with the cattle, so they mated with the Halls Heeler and thus the Queensland Heeler was born. My source is my Grandma, Emma Hall.
Thomas Hall created the Hall's Heeler -- 30 years he improved the breed. He bred a Northumbrian cur dog to the dingo. Timmen's nor any other non-related person was not allowed to purchase a Hall's Heeler dog. Only after Thomas Hall died and his estate was probated were non-family members allowed to buy his dogs from the probate of his estate. However, the cattle dog had already been created .. by Thomas Hall - Hall's Heelers. Yes - Timmens purchased from the Thomas Hall sale -- but, his attempt to "improve the dog" failed -- his attempted breed was too hard and enthusiastic of a biter -- his breeding attempts failed. I read that the brief name of Queensland Heeler was from show dog folks and people who lived in Queensland who owned the Hall's Heelers dogs and they felt that the dog name should represent where they lived. Later, the name was dropped and Australian Cattle Dog was adopted to represent all owners in Australia, thus: Australian Cattle Dog. Sources: Library of Australia; A Dog Named Blue; Historian Bert Howard; ABC news in Australian; and Guy Hull's highly researched book: The Dogs That Created Australia ....
I love these dogs!
Any comments on why the Australian Stumpie Tail Cattle Dog is missing from this video?
Cattle dogs and dingoes have the same bump in their skull that allows them to rotate their head more than any other dog
Bandit heeler :D
ACD aren’t merle though. They have the ticking gene, not the merle gene.
I have this blue heeled that’s short hair but she tall like almost 24in compared to my Belgian that is 26 by head both female and trying to see what mix my blue heeler, she looks like an Aussie mix heeler but she’s bigger than her mix by 2 in short hair and she’s a blue heeler
There is no such breed as blue heeler, that's just a given nickname for blueys. Same as red heeler, no such breed. They are both the one breed, Australian cattle dogs, both red and blue, even from the same litter from blue parents a red or two will often be thrown in for a bit of variety.
Stumpy tails, different breed altogether. And no dalmation or bulldog in original cattle dog development.
And no Border Collie, or Kelpie, either. These dogs were not even created at the time Thomas Hall created and refined/improved the Hall's Heelers for 30+ years.
The name of Australian Cattle Dog was created later. The original dog was named Hall's Heelers, by the creator of the breed, Thomas Hall. His dogs were not sold to others (I read that one of his dog's was stolen) until after he died (and as part of the estate probate). His dedicated, loyal and hard-working employees were allowed to keep some of his Hall's Heelers, while in his employ. And his brothers/family were also allowed to have his Hall's Heelers. After his death, the dogs were called the Australian Cattle Dog and also Queensland Heelers. And show dog folks were thereafter able to purchase some of his dogs ... and several tried to make the breed better, but failed at that. That's where as many as 5- 7 breeds have been states to be part of the ACD (though inaccurate).
@@susagor When was Timmens biters? Or were they the original stumpies?
@@fasteddie9201 I'd have to go back and research; my memory is fading. Timmen's Biters were after Thomas Hall died and his estate assets were listed for sale. At that time, after Thomas Hall's death, as part of the probate, his dogs were then offered for sale to the "public". Timmen's is the last name of a guy who bought some of Thomas Halls, Hall's Heeler dogs (while he was alive, his dogs were not allowed to be sold to the general public. I do recall that one of his dog's was stolen, though). The gentleman, Timmens, tried his hand at breeding -- but, turned out that the dogs he created were too rough on the livestock -- biting too hard, etc. At least that's what I recall/remember. There's an ABC web/radio station where there are articles re: the early Australian cattle dogs and a video and/or article re: the Stumpy. Also, Guy Hull has written a very well-researched and accurate book -- short name of the book is The Dogs That Made Australia Great ...". Hull covers a lot of depth and history of early Australia; talks about the other dogs brought to the new colonies for various work; the struggles of those coming on ships, the dogs that are said to be part of the breed, but were not, etc. An example is that the Border Collie did not exist at that time, so it was impossible for the Border Collie to be in the Hall's Heelers breed. He gathered information from the Library of Australia and talked with others who had/have early knowledge about the Hall's Heelers; one researcher that Hull worked with is Thomas Bert -- a historian of Australia and the Hall's Heelers; and Bert also married a descendant of the Hall Family - thus having personal knowledge.
Guy Hull reports in his book that the Border Collie ... for many years was banned from being in Australia. And he explains why the Hall's Heeler pups were born white. He also states that the Dalmatian was not bred into the Hall's Heeler dogs.
I was told mine was a Texas healer. Looks like a blue healer to me.
Lol, yeah there's no such breed. I had some random banging on about chocolate heelers too. Backyard breeders/puppy mills are scum.
@@Blue-Dog yeah I got him at an amish farm for 60 bucks. Great dog, best one I have owned. I usually rescue. I had just lost my son and I was overcompansating.
@@tanyamgamble I am very sorry about your son. I'm a mum myself and can't imagine that sort of pain. Glad you got a cattle dog, they're our valued workers and mates here in Australia. All the best to you honey.
@@Blue-Dog thank you!
@@tanyamgamble if you got from the Amish you did rescue him
Fun fact: ACD's carry the brindle K gene passed on by Dingoes and although rare, pure ACD's can be full brindle. They actually look quite spectacular. Brindle is actually the second most common of the many different natural wild pure dingo colours, with only around 50% being the yellow ginger colour.
Do some more research. There are only two breeds in the ACD. Dingo and Northumbrian cur/drover dog. No Dalmatian. No Kelpie. And so on.
Yes. There is only ONE type of ACD bred from the Dingo and the Northumbrian Blue Merle Drover. Two people might have come up with the same result but there is only one type. The Bluey throws the Blue Merle colouring and the Red throws the Dingo colouring.
I had blue heeler x dingo gr8 dog 🐶
I had a blue heeler and a red heeler and they had puppies they had a litter of 8 pups and they are purple.
If only!
Yes, that breeding can create a "purple" like coloration.
@@susagor I was joking.
@@martygt3357 - Missed that -- my apologies. Reminds me that -- there are followers/owners of what are called "Lavender" cattle dogs. This coloration is not Breed Standard, but, it does come about. If I remember correctly, right now, there are FB Groups for the Lavenders.
Has everyone herd, I mean heard the song Blue Heeler by Mary Ann Kennedy?
I love my moms cattle dog. He is too cute and so sweet. Are other cattle dogs very verbal?
Mine is really vocal, but mainly with other dogs
No collie in a ACD sorry. That's a myth.
A really interesting facts, I wonder how much dingo blood is in those dog breeds, it's debatable how much kelpies have if any?
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in the suburb of Maroubra , my friend had a blue heeler in his garden , his kid came howlering "the dog bit me "
the dad wasn't impressed "leave the bastard alone ! " .......the kid wanted to play , the dog didn't and he got nipped on the leg
So what about Australian stumpy tail????
my 12 week old can agree that the heeling is ingrained in the dna. i cannot walk thru my own house - not even running. she's always attached to my pant leg!
I own a blue heelet
Awesome!
the only Queensland blue is a pumpkin, they are all from Hall's Healers that were either straight blue or red merle coated as they carry the red genes from the Dingo and the blue gene from the Blue Merle Collie. The patches and speckles came in from the Dalmation that was crossed in to make the breed less likely to bight the stockman's horse as they were the cattle by Drovers that brought them to the Sydney Homebush sale yards the original working strains are the taller more athletic types and the stocky shorter ones were created more for show dogs as was the aesthetic of the time.
I don't agree with any Bull Terrier being introduced but possibly some Kelpie that has recently through DNA proven to also carry Dingo blood.
Their main purpose was to muster and push large herds of semi wild cattle on large holdings over large distances along by punishing any that dared to try and leave the heard. Cattle in these places over a century ago greatly resented and attacked herding dogs as they were predated by Dingo's when pastured so the stockmen needed very forceful dogs with more bite and attitude than Kelpies. Kelpies are headers which means they go the head and turn stock to herd them as per Border Collie's, ACD's are healers they push from behind but will bite the nose if the animal tries to charge them, its the stocks instinctive need to escape a couple of mean nasty biting healers that drives them back to seek relief back amongst the herd.
They are tough, loyal, courageous, protective and great around a farm if properly socialised to the other animals on the farm and to be trained and obedient as an untrained ACD is one of the most destructive havoc creating dog breeds if left to it's own devices and are one of the most challenging breeds to raise and train. Can be obsessed with water and returning a ball and a good deterrent to saddle thieves if put in charge of a horse trailer and its contents and any visitors to your farm need to be properly introduced to your ACD or they will treat them as suspicious and could bite.
What about white heelers?
A blue heeled like BLUEY
Blueyy!
The video includes inaccuracies. Check out the book by Guy Hull -- if you want to know the true creation of the Australian Cattle Dog. The creation of the ACD did not include Kelpies, Dalmations, nor Bull Terriers. During the creation of the ACD, Border Collies did not exist (they were not created during the time Thomas Hall initially bred a Northumbrian Cur dog to Dingoes). Thomas Hall bred his Hall's Heelers for over 30+ years and they were not available to non-family people until after Tom Hall's death. (mid-1880's). Border Collies came later. Only one "sheep dog" was involved as to the ACD. That was the extinct Northumbrian Cur Dog (not a BC). Like all breeds of dogs, ACD's come in different energy levels -- they are not all High Drive dogs. ---- The Dogs that Made Australia - The fascinating untold story of the dog's role in building a nation from the Whitely Award winning author of The Ferals That Ate Australia
By Guy Hull
My younger Heeler loved your video. There are two types of the Hall Heeler. One is from the Scottish Smooth Collie and one from the Scottish Kelpie with the Dingo mixed in. I have one of each.
Love these dogs!
Wrong
Kelpie was not part of the true ACD creation - Hall's Heelers. The Collie was the extinct Northumbra (Northumbrian Cur .... an ancient pre-cursor of the BC). They were used as sheep herding dogs on his families holdings and Thomas Hall imported some breeders from his parents holdings. Guy Hull, in his book, explains that the BC was not created at the time that Thomas Hall created the Hall's Heelers and bred and refined his dogs for over 30 years.
Kelpie was never introduced into the Hall's Heelers breed, created by Thomas Hall. The Kelpie breed did not exist at that time.
We gave my late fur brother only people food NEVER DOG FOOD
Muffin Cupcake Heeler is quite good at drawing cowboy hats. But beware...she will steal your phone should you take hers away...facey time is not to be interrupted.
you forgot the Kelpie.
I've always had the best. Not necessarily the best type, just the best. I might be a bit influenced by my affection.
Hey mate there is no bull terrier in heelers
Mine doesnt have a tail and her ears arent super pointy.. but shes only 7 months old.. i thout maybe the original owner might have cut it.. but im starting to think shes a rear bread
Your pup is a stuppy tail cattledog also an Australian cattle dog
Horses are definitely nimble enough to herd cattle with, I think that reason needs to be checked.
Can you give blue heeler raw beef such as the 1 pound packs at grocery stores
It may be ok but that’s why We feed raw is preferred. They flash freeze the raw meat to rid it if any bacteria so it’s safe for your dog
Hi Aussie here. Old mate there is trying hard to flog his product, fair enough. Cattle Dogs (infact dogs) are scavengers. Their stomachs handle bacteria fine. Dogs often bury bones and meat for later. I only tell you this because you can give them out of date meat etc from your fridge instead of throwing it out. I feed my dogs, pig trotters, lamb and chicken necks, ox tails, ribs, whole rabbits, ducks, kangaroos. Bones with plenty of meat are great. It keeps them busy and maintains their teeth and gums. NEVER give dogs cooked bones. Cooking changes the molecular structure of bones and they splinter in the dogs thoat and gut. Just cooked meat is ok too. Cheers to you. Oh dogs are omnivores so throw in some cooked vegetables. Also never ever give dogs chocolate. It can kill them. They like milk (without lactose) Lactose gives em runny poo.
I feed mine like this as well a little bit of everything but I try to give him the best quality cheap bits of the animals (chicken feet gizzards livers organs) and any meat that’s sat in the fridge or freezer a bit too long but only raw. Cooked old meat can make them sick. But mine has never had a problem with old raw meat it’s actually incredibly healthy for them
BLUE HEELER MALES
They're drover crossed to dingo. None of that other stuff.
Baby eating dingo's 😮
Is that an onion, or a type of onion at the beginning advertising?
Aren't onions poison for dogs?
Maybe you would like a dish of your favorite prime rib and a side of arsonic? Wow not good.
I want to point out something here in the 'we feed raw' portion, specifically 0:55 in the video. This shows beef along with carrots, potatoes and ... ONIONS! NEVER EVER feed a dog onions or any other bulb root vegetable! They are deadly poisonous to dogs!
No wonder so many are ankle biters
Long haired version, Australian shepherd
The Australian Shepherd has nothing to do with the Australian Cattle Dog, they are two very different breeds. The Australian Shepherd isn't even 'Australian', it's an American breed.
That is so natural and insane. The Australian shepherd is an American breed that they just threw Australia on the name. Cause they liked the sound of it.
Has nothing to do with The Australian cattle dog never did. Isn't even of australian origin... Nice dog but it's an american Creation with with no zero zip cattle Dog in it!😊
Dalmatian is an awful dog.
Only because they were interbred and inbred too much and the undesirable mental instabilities we're emphasized.
Nothing wrong with the Dalmatian breed, However, they were not part of the creation of Hall's Heelers.
So how has the human raised that's talking I've raised 5 never have I had a problem with any of my QH hearding what ever moves humans r the problem. WEAK
Sorry mate but you have no idea what you are talking about
And to be able to fight off coyotes and wolves., Which my dog has scars all over from. Bing that he was a feral living in the woods for a year or more
Red heelers are bred with different dogs to blue heelers sal as different Kelpies some are just from dogs some are from dingo litters only way to tell is DNA test so all this is just guessing from history
Red heelers and blue heelers are the same breed. ACD. Reds and blues come from the same litter.
I dont buy his take on them being 2 different types. Sorry not buying it. Cause u can take a red and a blue and breed them. And youll still get blues and reds separate. Not mixed blue/red
True. He has it all wrong.
The stumpies are the separate breed