Best drives but worst endurance unfortunately. Then again I think they both underrate their endurance spec by ~20-30%. At least with the writes of my old 860 evo it should be at 90% endurance but it's still at 93%
The two main factors I look for is not just the immediate speeds, but the consistent speeds over time. Does the performance drop off after a while under load, and how much? Also another major factor in my opinion is general failure rate, because a well performing drive is worth nothing if you have a higher risk of files getting corrupted etc. Especially for long term file storage.
@@theTechNotice Agreed. Been running high end Samsung drives for about 7 years now without a single failure thus far. But I wonder how the competition is stacking up these days.
Yup I've had intel, corsair, sabrent and western D nvme drives that have failed at one time or other - I now have over 20 samsung NVME and sata 6g ssd's (over a period of 5 years) with a zero-failure-count 🧐🧐
My dad tells me that for the affordable price, the best is Transcend. Not the fastest, but one of the longest lasting out there on the market. Sure, u might havent heard them since they're havent done that much marketing.
The key here for video creation is speed yes but also Dram. You have to see how long it takes and watch the meter to see if it slows down when it writes. You do not want that for video editing or recording.
I use a Corsair force MP600 on my Z390 mb and replaced the stock heatsink with one designed for a gen5 ssd. The benefit to this is most gen3 drives don’t hit the full speed of the of the gen3 m.2 slot but a gen4 drive will while throttling back to maximum gen3 speeds. I also chose it because it can sustain 666 gigs written before slowing down. And with it going slower than advertised because it’s in a gen3 slot and has a gen5 heatsink, I don’t have to worry about it ever slowing down below maximum gen3 speeds.
yeah esp seeing it trades blows with the 990 pro in being the best gen 4 drive. Random speeds samsung is a bit faster but pc mag benches program, games and windows load times and the sn850x best the 990 pro across the board. I'd bet it's because the sn850x uses really fast dram cache, it literally uses straight ddr4 3200, while the samsung uses lpddr which has half the memory bus and multiple times worse latency even if it is clocked slightly higher iirc.
Should have included wd sn850x… being the top ps5 drive and a best price option at least as of now. $109 for a 2TB.. might be hard to beat. As well as a very popular pick the 970 evo plus.. for gen 3.
@theTechNotice I can't thank you enough for all the knowledge on your channel that I've gained by binge watching for the past few weeks Larri. I've learnt so much especially on SSD's. I went ahead and purchased a Samsung 990 PRO 1TB for my O/S drive, a Seagate FIRECUDA 530 4tb & a T-Force Cardea Z440 2TB for my project drives, and finally a Seagate FIRECUDA 530 500GB for cache drive based on your recommendations on your channel. I'm very happy with the performance of all the drives and my workflow is much smoother. I even reused my former O/S drive which was a slower PCIe gen 3 drive to my son's laptop and that thing is much faster now compared to the shitty Toshiba HDD it had previously. Now I'm planning on upgrading my I7-12700k to the I9-13900KS by the end of the year. looking forward to more Creator targeted content from you. keep up the good work my friend/guru. cheers.
Currently running WD_BLACK SN850X 2TB as main OS and game drive, and have a external WD_BLACK D30 2TB as game drive. Still waiting for 4TB NVME SSD to be more mainstream then I will add them to my 3 free slots on the ProArt X670E board. 😅
Excellent review! You really helped me make up my mind. Thank you so much for the thorough work you put into this. I did notice a small inconsistency, though. At the beginning, you mention four categories: OS Drive/Programs Project Drive Cache Drives Archive/Data You covered all of them except the Cache Drives, which was replaced by 'Best SSD for 2nd Drive.' While it's a minor detail, it's worth noting that cache drives play a crucial role, especially for programs like Photoshop and other applications that rely heavily on caching for optimal performance. Your review was very helpful thank you.
Team Group has silently change the type of flash in the Z440 (a one time or another) from the 96 layer nand (with the 3600 TBW) to Kioxia 112 layer nand, which would only have a TBW of 1200. I think it's really dirty of these companies to change the components in their drives, without giving it a different model number.
I would like to see a comparison of all the results on the same time and maybe the actual price as well. So i would get a feeling for the overall quality of each ssd and the actual price per value. But this video is very helpful without that too :)
I'd love to see the forthcoming PCIe 5.0 M.2's comparisons. I have a 2TB 980 Pro boot and RAID 1 Crucial P3 Plus 4TB. You can have some major changes in the performance once you start filling up these M.2s. So testing at e.g. 33%, 75%, and 85% (full) capacities would be extremely valuable information. _FYI .. as much as I would love Samsung 980 Pro to come in a "4TB" (chart) version, unfortunately it's capped at 2TB._
Great video. I was taking notes :) and noticed that while you stated 'cache' as one of the categories you would cover, I didn't ever see a drive list, or bar chart on that specific category. Was this an oversight, or perhaps lumped into one the other groups? Seems like a drive that performs better at caching would be used for everyday access and usage. Great presentation and I like your style. Great job.
I grabbed a Firecuda 530 with the heatsink... It doesn't have a pre-installed encryption on it. I intend to encrypt it myself. The drives that states AES256 is inhouse encryption from many of these companies can be hacked into using backend and backdoor methods. The newest Firecuda 530 that was manufactured earlier this year has read and write of 7300 a piece. The guy's Firecuda in the video is an old variant
Thank you for this!!!! There is so little content doing SSD reviews! Also with the Solidigm, I've seen from other reviews that the controller can get very hot, which might mean that it's thermal throttling for the consistency test.
What's your opinion on the Crucial P3 4TB? I find it online in 🇸🇬 for S$340(USD250). My H410 M H V3 only supports PCIE 3 and I want to max out the capacity on the NVME SSD since there's only 1 slot on the motherboard Thanks Edit: Found a TEAMGROUP MP34 4TB for SGD278 (USD 206). Would like your opinion on it too.
Could you possibly do some testing of heat sinks on M.2 SSD's? I realize that there is massive difference in air flow over the SSD's depending on the motherboard and the position of the SSD on it. Maybe you can could test a limited number of SSD's and heatsink solutions to find a relative trend in cooling performance. I ask because I've had wildly different results trying to cool some SSD's. An Adata XPG SSD idled at over 60C but a simple heatsink brought the temperature down to under 40C. A Crucial P5+ only went down from 60C to 55C to 45C from no heat sink to a simple heat sink to a large heat sink. I know that some PC enthusiasts say it doesn't matter at all but I never liked PC components that could burn me while operating! Mein Freund, Verbatim is pronounced ver-BAY-tim, not ver-BUH-tim. Danke. 😉
It's July 4th 2023 and I've just watched this vid. I've been playing with a couple of different build assistants online and looking at a specific pair of SSD's that I've been favoring in both my "No Hold's Barred/Well... ALMOST" and "Decent Performance but with Restraint" builds. Those drives are the SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2 2280 500GB PCI-Express Gen 4.0 x4, NVMe 1.3c V-NAND 3-bit MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V8P500BW for the boot drive coming in at this time at $71.60, and the MSI M461 M.2 2280 4TB PCI-Express 4.0 x4 3D NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) SM461N4TB for major storage which is normally $209.99, currently selling for $179.99, and also has a rebate of $10 available to get it down to $169.99, For a 4TB drive, I say that can't be beat. I'd like to know your thoughts on those. We have major sales available now and for the next few days due to the holiday. And Amazon is having Amazon day within the next week. Not that I am personally planning on spending money... at this time. I'd have to get some REALLY amaze-balls deals to whip out my credit card. Things are really weird right now. Last weekend I saw a 4080 RTX which goes for $1,499.99 available for a coded discount on Newegg for %50 off. If I had a bit more money in my account I'd have built a new machine and gone for it. That discount is no longer available. Prices are all over the board on major components right now and dropping regularly. We live in interesting times.
Generally speaking, the _advertised_ TBW is *not* a determining factor, as this is mostly associated with the warranty/image the company is _comfortable_ with. Samsung tends to *downplay* their TBW (even though objective testing has proven their drives to be some of, if not, the best, exceeding TBW by orders of magnitude); Seagate tends to have a *higher* annualized failure rate (AFR) prior to ever reaching TBW. Just understand that there is a _range_ of build quality separate from the somewhat arbitrary "TBW" specification. -Personally, I prefer Samsung (even with a slight premium) as a top-tier product. -Solidigm (formerly Intel) would be a close second consideration, though they would have to (somewhat substantially) beat Samsung on price to sway me. -Personally, I'd avoid Seagate.
There's no doubt, the overall drive is the Samsung 990 Pro 2TB. It's the best write and read speed, both sequential and random files, big and small, and they are good on MTBF and daily big size files management. My problem is only purchasing some 3 or 4 if them. They are expensive in my Country. 😮❤
Verbatim?! That's an old name that i never knew I would be hearing in the future! Good for them on catching up in the storage market! They used to be the dominating ones in the floppy stage.
Damn, I use my system primarily for gaming and never had an with nvme speeds. Old pc had 970 drives and I figured those were fast enough so I just went with 980 for this recent build. Now I see this vid and I’m kicking myself for not spending the extra $20 for 990 🙄
brand new works great. for me, longevity is important. have you or anyone else done real-world daily use over time trials? i try to read all the reviews from regular people. but who knows how real those are. it's all very frustrating.
I wish you include Transcend. Their drives might not be the fastest, but the read/write cycle (before the drive's failure) is literally beating Samsung.
And I bought the Samsung 980 thinking that it was good for the price, and with this review I realize that it is not as good as I thought. Or maybe you need to compare it with SSD of the same price. Of course there is a lack of models like the Crucial P3, WD, Timetec, XPG and others. Although it should be considered that the Samsung 908 is PCIe Gen 3.0
I don't know everyone gets hung up on PCIe gen 3.0 vs 4.0. None of these drives have the 4000MB/s speed to saturate 4 lanes of 3.0. Especially when you consider sustained performance, not the artificial micro-burst speed they get with a ddr buffer. The gen 3 samsung is only slow because it is an older set of NAND and controller, the PCIe lanes are not the bottleneck.
For which drive type the TBW is from most importance? I assume fro the project drive. The size of the DRAM-Cache usually grows with the size of the drive, so e.g. the Firecuda 530 4TB would make the best Project Drive, for the storage drive it should be of no big importance, just big and fast read speeds, for the system drive high iops and fast read speeds, for the cache drive high iops high TBW fast read and writes probably the hardest to choose i would pick a Samsung 990 Pro 2 TB for system, Firecuda 530 4 TB for project, probably a Seagate 530 2 TB for Cache, and a 8TB NVME for storage. Where i'm not definitely sure with the cache drive? I would probably increase the Provision on the system drive for a longer lifespan from 10% to 15%
I'd be interested is some info about choosing and using an add in NVMe riser card. What slots and lanes to use. How about using lanes from the graphics 16 (using 8 in the seconds slot for NVMe)?
I'd love to see you review the 8TB - Sabrent Rocket Q. Is it worth the money? Does it perform as well on the benchmarks? Can you achieve the save by using 4 x 2TB. Are there any real world benefits to 8TB? Also, how much storage does the average person use and perhaps even the UA-cam creator use?
It would be interesting to see the Oyen Digital Dash Pro 4TB and 8TB tested. I have been unable to find any reviews on this one. I purchased one anyway. Haven't installed it yet. It only has a 3 year warranty but it is 3000 TBW 4TB and 6000 TBW 8TB.
Hi, great video! Btw, can you make a video recommendation pc build that good for editing, 3D animating, and gaming, but make the budget under $2,000 💪😁
Built mine last Aug with Firecude 530 for all my drives, but thinking if I should upgrade my OS drive 1TB since it’s 80% full to either a 2TB or 4TB. 😅
Do checkout adata xpg s70 blade... One of the most affordable and well equipped gen 4 drives. Edit: Samsung 970 evo plus is also a very good gen 3 drive.. I hear it performs better than the 980 because 980 doesn't have dram
@@OvisTech i just saw your review.. S70 blade scoring 2nd-3rd place in most tests is a pretty good result in my opinion. SN850 costs almost double in my country making s70 blade the best budget option for most people. Good review btw 😌👌
It would be nice to see how these stack up against the newer, sabrent rocket plus G. Also, where is the WD sn850x? Lastly, the Kingston Fury renegage is a slightly improved version of the KC3000.
So far in my build I have a WD Black SN850X 1TB as the OS/programs drive, and a Samsung 980 Pro 2TB. I've decided to add two more 2TB 980 Pros in the remaining gen 4 slots in my Gigabyte Z790 Aero G. The price for the Samsung drives are so ridiculously low. Just $100 for 2TB on a top tier drive.
the internet is full of cheap 990 pro's, im looking at them right now, go for the used market where u can get them for cheap. my entire pc is probably made from stolen stuff sold on the second hand market, but everything i have is top of the line with budget prices. im looking right now at 100$ for 2tb of 990 pro, of which i just ordered 4. (i make videos and need the space)
Please review Crucial gen3 and gen4 drives (2TB and 1 TB), I am really considering to buy them. Creating my first pc (i5 12600k, aero g z690, rtx 3060). Love the new logo.
@@Kevin-fl7mj yes you're right, but i purchased these parts last year but then i got busy. Now i am going to finish it. Ssd, case and monitor remaining.
Where is the Teamgroup T-Create Classic PCIe 4.0? It's cheaper than the Z440 with the same R/W speeds, has DRAM and the 2TB model has an endurance rating of 3600 TBW as well.
Why are we using the KC3000 4Tb and the Firecuda 530 2TB? If Size matters? So i was thinking alot about SSDs and checked every available source i could find. In the end i would say Samsung 990 Pro, KC3000 and Fircuda where the best Choices for the main drive. I went for the KC3000 4TB and ordert it. I did choose it because ist scored beter in every test here then the Fircuda 530. But the Firecuda may would have been the beter choice by a smal amount because the Lifespan is longer and it still performs rly good and some tests say even better then the KC3000. But i guess KC3000 is still a good choice. If i would be looking for a secondary SSD i would propably buy a Lexar NM790 4Tb. I Way cheaper and would be a a great for Storing Videos with a Great TBW. What do you think?
I use a MSI M470 as scrub drive, put everything write intensive there like page file, game cache, simulator map cache, Premier working file... etc. They're dirt cheap, reasonably fast and have 3300 TBW with 2TB version.
all caches are extremely random READ heavy not write. Writes are much less critical as a cache because they're basically planning ahead when writing to the drive as a pagefile, it's when it has to read from it as to when you need the data to be accessed ASAP
@@macbrush fair whi knows how accurate that is tho, check hw info. I know seagate always undelivers on their tbw spec while samsung and WD overdeliver by a good amount.y 1200tbw wd sn850x 2tb is still at 100% write life with 1600GB written when it should've gone to 99% at the 1200GB mark
Would you recommend having your program installed on the same hard drive as your project files, eg: Davinci resolve installed on the same hard drive as your video files or Blender on the same drive as your assets (Hopefully this makes sense)... I was planning on having a drive for the OS, documents, and spurious programs, a drive for projects and assets, a drive for games, and a drive for storage... Would this be viable?
How about Crucial and Western Digital? Been seeing them in Amazon while canvassing but I'm not sure if they'll be good options in exchange for more affordable price..
Cheep, TBW good speed in the middle of the road and Made in Taiwan, Silicon Power 4TB UD90 NVMe 4.0 Gen4 PCIe M.2 SSD R/W up to 5,000/4,500 MB/s (SP04KGBP44UD9005
Hi I have a Mac mini M1 512GB 16Ram and I run out of storage, could I buy one of this drives and an enclosure and set up this drive as a bootable Mac drive so I can have more storage available ?
I don't wanna buy a fake one so I watched this video to grasp what price I should look for. Also can anyone here recommend me anything that has 22×80 in size.
Idk if you have in the past but I didn't see it in this video but you should test the SK Hynix P41 Platinum as it is the fastest boot/os in my experience. Below I put my specs for storage and also i have a samsung 980 pro a couple mid range SK Hynix PC801's and ya the SK HYnix P41 Plat is the fastest for boot/os compared to the others I listed also the SK Hynix P41 Platinum is faster the the Samsung 990 Pro and the 980 Pro in real life usage.
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KC3000 owner is here! So happy with it so far.
Worth the price!
@utub.watcher I threw it away immediately. Thank you.
Using the Solidigm P44 Pro for my main OS in my new rig. It's been AMAZING.
I heartily recommend the WD Blacks. Not the cheapest, but they have not failed me so far. I have three in my production machine.
Yes, Samsung and WD are my go-to's for SSDs. But there have been other good ones too.
Best drives but worst endurance unfortunately. Then again I think they both underrate their endurance spec by ~20-30%. At least with the writes of my old 860 evo it should be at 90% endurance but it's still at 93%
The two main factors I look for is not just the immediate speeds, but the consistent speeds over time. Does the performance drop off after a while under load, and how much?
Also another major factor in my opinion is general failure rate, because a well performing drive is worth nothing if you have a higher risk of files getting corrupted etc. Especially for long term file storage.
true! Samsung is held rather high regard in the failure rate.
@@theTechNotice Agreed. Been running high end Samsung drives for about 7 years now without a single failure thus far. But I wonder how the competition is stacking up these days.
Yup I've had intel, corsair, sabrent and western D nvme drives that have failed at one time or other - I now have over 20 samsung NVME and sata 6g ssd's (over a period of 5 years) with a zero-failure-count 🧐🧐
My dad tells me that for the affordable price, the best is Transcend. Not the fastest, but one of the longest lasting out there on the market. Sure, u might havent heard them since they're havent done that much marketing.
@@chionyenkwu2253this is good to know thanks! gonna make my first enclosure as a small boot up backup drive.
Solidigm coming in strong, basically on par with Samsung. Currently have the Firecuda 530. The new 540’s seem insane too.
How is thev530 doing?
I just ordered one and speed / price plus the tbw seemed irresistible lol .
The editing to the music in this video! Top notch! Felt like I was watching Masterchef!
The key here for video creation is speed yes but also Dram. You have to see how long it takes and watch the meter to see if it slows down when it writes. You do not want that for video editing or recording.
Very curious to see WD SN850X and SK hynix Platinum P41 results!
Solidigm = sk hyinix. The p44 pro and the p41 are the same drive.
@@Frozoken that's interesting but they're priced differently in my country. p44 pro is priced about 50% more than p41 platinum for 1 tb.
I use a Corsair force MP600 on my Z390 mb and replaced the stock heatsink with one designed for a gen5 ssd. The benefit to this is most gen3 drives don’t hit the full speed of the of the gen3 m.2 slot but a gen4 drive will while throttling back to maximum gen3 speeds.
I also chose it because it can sustain 666 gigs written before slowing down. And with it going slower than advertised because it’s in a gen3 slot and has a gen5 heatsink, I don’t have to worry about it ever slowing down below maximum gen3 speeds.
The WD_BLACK SN850x is an absolute powerhouse but was left out.
I didn't have any samples :(
The WD Black SN850X line is conspicuously missing here. Otherwise, thanks for the tests and results.
Unfortunately they are often overlooked. I have used them for the past few years and never had a single issue.
WD SN850X
yeah esp seeing it trades blows with the 990 pro in being the best gen 4 drive. Random speeds samsung is a bit faster but pc mag benches program, games and windows load times and the sn850x best the 990 pro across the board. I'd bet it's because the sn850x uses really fast dram cache, it literally uses straight ddr4 3200, while the samsung uses lpddr which has half the memory bus and multiple times worse latency even if it is clocked slightly higher iirc.
lp of lpddr is low power, hence the clocking.
Should have included wd sn850x… being the top ps5 drive and a best price option at least as of now. $109 for a 2TB.. might be hard to beat.
As well as a very popular pick the 970 evo plus.. for gen 3.
@theTechNotice I can't thank you enough for all the knowledge on your channel that I've gained by binge watching for the past few weeks Larri. I've learnt so much especially on SSD's. I went ahead and purchased a Samsung 990 PRO 1TB for my O/S drive, a Seagate FIRECUDA 530 4tb & a T-Force Cardea Z440 2TB for my project drives, and finally a Seagate FIRECUDA 530 500GB for cache drive based on your recommendations on your channel. I'm very happy with the performance of all the drives and my workflow is much smoother. I even reused my former O/S drive which was a slower PCIe gen 3 drive to my son's laptop and that thing is much faster now compared to the shitty Toshiba HDD it had previously. Now I'm planning on upgrading my I7-12700k to the I9-13900KS by the end of the year. looking forward to more Creator targeted content from you. keep up the good work my friend/guru. cheers.
Currently running WD_BLACK SN850X 2TB as main OS and game drive, and have a external WD_BLACK D30 2TB as game drive. Still waiting for 4TB NVME SSD to be more mainstream then I will add them to my 3 free slots on the ProArt X670E board. 😅
I'm really happy with my Kingston FURY Renegade PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 SSDs, one 2 TB and another 1TB
Excellent review! You really helped me make up my mind. Thank you so much for the thorough work you put into this.
I did notice a small inconsistency, though. At the beginning, you mention four categories:
OS Drive/Programs
Project Drive
Cache Drives
Archive/Data
You covered all of them except the Cache Drives, which was replaced by 'Best SSD for 2nd Drive.' While it's a minor detail, it's worth noting that cache drives play a crucial role, especially for programs like Photoshop and other applications that rely heavily on caching for optimal performance.
Your review was very helpful thank you.
Team Group has silently change the type of flash in the Z440 (a one time or another) from the 96 layer nand (with the 3600 TBW) to Kioxia 112 layer nand, which would only have a TBW of 1200. I think it's really dirty of these companies to change the components in their drives, without giving it a different model number.
Just got the P44 Pro 2TB for 110$ couldn't be happier
I would like to see a comparison of all the results on the same time and maybe the actual price as well. So i would get a feeling for the overall quality of each ssd and the actual price per value. But this video is very helpful without that too :)
I'd love to see the forthcoming PCIe 5.0 M.2's comparisons. I have a 2TB 980 Pro boot and RAID 1 Crucial P3 Plus 4TB. You can have some major changes in the performance once you start filling up these M.2s. So testing at e.g. 33%, 75%, and 85% (full) capacities would be extremely valuable information.
_FYI .. as much as I would love Samsung 980 Pro to come in a "4TB" (chart) version, unfortunately it's capped at 2TB._
TBW chart is badly made.
@@mikakorhonen5715 .. Agreed. 👍
Great video. I was taking notes :) and noticed that while you stated 'cache' as one of the categories you would cover, I didn't ever see a drive list, or bar chart on that specific category. Was this an oversight, or perhaps lumped into one the other groups? Seems like a drive that performs better at caching would be used for everyday access and usage. Great presentation and I like your style. Great job.
Holy Cow, that intro was so smooth! Well deserving of my like and comment!
Why no WD Black? It's also one of the fastest SSDs. I personally switched from Samsung to WD and really would appreciate a comparison.
I already bought kingston fury renegade 2tb, I think it is better then 990 pro in most of the specifications. 😊
I grabbed a Firecuda 530 with the heatsink... It doesn't have a pre-installed encryption on it. I intend to encrypt it myself. The drives that states AES256 is inhouse encryption from many of these companies can be hacked into using backend and backdoor methods. The newest Firecuda 530 that was manufactured earlier this year has read and write of 7300 a piece. The guy's Firecuda in the video is an old variant
@@fightsandfinance7570 don't know about that brother, and youtubers don't go that deep now a days, he also doesn't told us about slc cache capacity.
I have a pair of 990 Pro's, they are ridiculously fast for gaming and content creation.
Thank you for this!!!! There is so little content doing SSD reviews!
Also with the Solidigm, I've seen from other reviews that the controller can get very hot, which might mean that it's thermal throttling for the consistency test.
Bro has the best comparison content out there. Must be very happy to use t44 pro
What's your opinion on the Crucial P3 4TB?
I find it online in 🇸🇬 for S$340(USD250).
My H410 M H V3 only supports PCIE 3 and I want to max out the capacity on the NVME SSD since there's only 1 slot on the motherboard
Thanks
Edit: Found a TEAMGROUP MP34 4TB for SGD278 (USD 206). Would like your opinion on it too.
wd sn850x 4tb should be cheaoer and better
Surprised that the WD SN850X wasn’t tested here.
I didn't have any :)
Which M.2 SSD is most durable 5-10 years down the line??
Could you possibly do some testing of heat sinks on M.2 SSD's?
I realize that there is massive difference in air flow over the SSD's depending on the motherboard and the position of the SSD on it.
Maybe you can could test a limited number of SSD's and heatsink solutions to find a relative trend in cooling performance.
I ask because I've had wildly different results trying to cool some SSD's. An Adata XPG SSD idled at over 60C but a simple heatsink brought the temperature down to under 40C. A Crucial P5+ only went down from 60C to 55C to 45C from no heat sink to a simple heat sink to a large heat sink.
I know that some PC enthusiasts say it doesn't matter at all but I never liked PC components that could burn me while operating!
Mein Freund, Verbatim is pronounced ver-BAY-tim, not ver-BUH-tim. Danke. 😉
It's July 4th 2023 and I've just watched this vid. I've been playing with a couple of different build assistants online and looking at a specific pair of SSD's that I've been favoring in both my "No Hold's Barred/Well... ALMOST" and "Decent Performance but with Restraint" builds. Those drives are the SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2 2280 500GB PCI-Express Gen 4.0 x4, NVMe 1.3c V-NAND 3-bit MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V8P500BW for the boot drive coming in at this time at $71.60, and the MSI M461 M.2 2280 4TB PCI-Express 4.0 x4 3D NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) SM461N4TB for major storage which is normally $209.99, currently selling for $179.99, and also has a rebate of $10 available to get it down to $169.99, For a 4TB drive, I say that can't be beat. I'd like to know your thoughts on those. We have major sales available now and for the next few days due to the holiday. And Amazon is having Amazon day within the next week. Not that I am personally planning on spending money... at this time. I'd have to get some REALLY amaze-balls deals to whip out my credit card. Things are really weird right now. Last weekend I saw a 4080 RTX which goes for $1,499.99 available for a coded discount on Newegg for %50 off. If I had a bit more money in my account I'd have built a new machine and gone for it. That discount is no longer available. Prices are all over the board on major components right now and dropping regularly. We live in interesting times.
Generally speaking, the _advertised_ TBW is *not* a determining factor, as this is mostly associated with the warranty/image the company is _comfortable_ with.
Samsung tends to *downplay* their TBW (even though objective testing has proven their drives to be some of, if not, the best, exceeding TBW by orders of magnitude); Seagate tends to have a *higher* annualized failure rate (AFR) prior to ever reaching TBW. Just understand that there is a _range_ of build quality separate from the somewhat arbitrary "TBW" specification.
-Personally, I prefer Samsung (even with a slight premium) as a top-tier product.
-Solidigm (formerly Intel) would be a close second consideration, though they would have to (somewhat substantially) beat Samsung on price to sway me.
-Personally, I'd avoid Seagate.
There's no doubt, the overall drive is the Samsung 990 Pro 2TB. It's the best write and read speed, both sequential and random files, big and small, and they are good on MTBF and daily big size files management. My problem is only purchasing some 3 or 4 if them. They are expensive in my Country. 😮❤
Hey. Should I get Samsung 990 Pro M.2 4TB for 410€ or Western Digital Black SN850X M.2 4TB for 330€?
Thank you for including PC mark 10 test in the video.
THIS IS THE CONTENT I'M TALKING ABOUT. WOOOOOOO🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I would like to see a optane (like 900p or P5800x) in the mix.
Select for high IOPS instead of Max sequintial Speed.
I learn the hard way.
Thank you for this well put viedo. I was hoping to see the WD Black SN850X in this spectrum, but unfortunately I think it was left out.
Verbatim?! That's an old name that i never knew I would be hearing in the future! Good for them on catching up in the storage market! They used to be the dominating ones in the floppy stage.
I needed this. I recently bought a 980Pro 1TB because it was on sale... ant that it was very popular but I was waiting to understand why.
Damn, I use my system primarily for gaming and never had an with nvme speeds. Old pc had 970 drives and I figured those were fast enough so I just went with 980 for this recent build. Now I see this vid and I’m kicking myself for not spending the extra $20 for 990 🙄
Opening song is BA. Cherry Gummy - Dylan Sitts
brand new works great. for me, longevity is important.
have you or anyone else done real-world daily use over time trials?
i try to read all the reviews from regular people. but who knows how real those are. it's all very frustrating.
I wish you include Transcend. Their drives might not be the fastest, but the read/write cycle (before the drive's failure) is literally beating Samsung.
990 pro pretty much tops the charts all around. I’m not shocked. There’s a reason they’re popular.
Please add these on the list your next buying guide video. Sabrent Rocket / Rocket Plus and WD Blue / Black. Thanks!
I'm surprised to not see any Western Digital SN850(X) drives, or rather and Western Digitals at all.
I didn't have any :)
Fantastic info…very useful. Would love to see benchmarks for Sabrent SSDs…specifically the gen 4 versions.
And I bought the Samsung 980 thinking that it was good for the price, and with this review I realize that it is not as good as I thought.
Or maybe you need to compare it with SSD of the same price.
Of course there is a lack of models like the Crucial P3, WD, Timetec, XPG and others.
Although it should be considered that the Samsung 908 is PCIe Gen 3.0
I don't know everyone gets hung up on PCIe gen 3.0 vs 4.0. None of these drives have the 4000MB/s speed to saturate 4 lanes of 3.0.
Especially when you consider sustained performance, not the artificial micro-burst speed they get with a ddr buffer.
The gen 3 samsung is only slow because it is an older set of NAND and controller, the PCIe lanes are not the bottleneck.
For Creators great is WD SN570 2TB in this version is the same like SN770 😀
I am really curious now how a Sabrent drive, for example a rocket 4 plus 1 or 2 TB would perform compared to the ones shown in the video.
For which drive type the TBW is from most importance? I assume fro the project drive. The size of the DRAM-Cache usually grows with the size of the drive, so e.g. the Firecuda 530 4TB would make the best Project Drive, for the storage drive it should be of no big importance, just big and fast read speeds, for the system drive high iops and fast read speeds, for the cache drive high iops high TBW fast read and writes probably the hardest to choose
i would pick a Samsung 990 Pro 2 TB for system, Firecuda 530 4 TB for project, probably a Seagate 530 2 TB for Cache, and a 8TB NVME for storage. Where i'm not definitely sure with the cache drive? I would probably increase the Provision on the system drive for a longer lifespan from 10% to 15%
I'd be interested is some info about choosing and using an add in NVMe riser card. What slots and lanes to use. How about using lanes from the graphics 16 (using 8 in the seconds slot for NVMe)?
I'd love to see you review the 8TB - Sabrent Rocket Q. Is it worth the money? Does it perform as well on the benchmarks? Can you achieve the save by using 4 x 2TB. Are there any real world benefits to 8TB? Also, how much storage does the average person use and perhaps even the UA-cam creator use?
Data life storage is very important... I think TBW is the best value you looking for..
Very good comparison. It could be better if you could include some NVMe SSD's from WD.
It would be interesting to see the Oyen Digital Dash Pro 4TB and 8TB tested. I have been unable to find any reviews on this one. I purchased one anyway. Haven't installed it yet. It only has a 3 year warranty but it is 3000 TBW 4TB and 6000 TBW 8TB.
Very informative 👏🏼, thank you
You're so welcome!
You forgot the Western Digital SN850X and the PNY XLR8-CS3140 , which both do 7500 MB per second speed.
Hi, great video! Btw, can you make a video recommendation pc build that good for editing, 3D animating, and gaming, but make the budget under $2,000 💪😁
Please make a comparison between expensive and budget ones.
Built mine last Aug with Firecude 530 for all my drives, but thinking if I should upgrade my OS drive 1TB since it’s 80% full to either a 2TB or 4TB. 😅
Excellent info! Would you be able to run the WD Sn850X 2tb perhaps?
Do checkout adata xpg s70 blade... One of the most affordable and well equipped gen 4 drives.
Edit: Samsung 970 evo plus is also a very good gen 3 drive.. I hear it performs better than the 980 because 980 doesn't have dram
S70 Blade is not a wonder, I reviewed it.
@@OvisTech i just saw your review.. S70 blade scoring 2nd-3rd place in most tests is a pretty good result in my opinion.
SN850 costs almost double in my country making s70 blade the best budget option for most people.
Good review btw 😌👌
@@luvoverthewall Thanks. Indeed, it's all about the money in the Ene.
@@OvisTech yep yep 😌
It would be nice to see how these stack up against the newer, sabrent rocket plus G. Also, where is the WD sn850x?
Lastly, the Kingston Fury renegage is a slightly improved version of the KC3000.
So far in my build I have a WD Black SN850X 1TB as the OS/programs drive, and a Samsung 980 Pro 2TB. I've decided to add two more 2TB 980 Pros in the remaining gen 4 slots in my Gigabyte Z790 Aero G. The price for the Samsung drives are so ridiculously low. Just $100 for 2TB on a top tier drive.
the internet is full of cheap 990 pro's, im looking at them right now, go for the used market where u can get them for cheap. my entire pc is probably made from stolen stuff sold on the second hand market, but everything i have is top of the line with budget prices. im looking right now at 100$ for 2tb of 990 pro, of which i just ordered 4. (i make videos and need the space)
@@afti03 I just saw the Samsung 990PRO 1TB drive on NEWEGG for rock bottom price!
Thanks for an interesting review. What would you recommend for a cache drive?
Hey Mr, very nice video that you created. Can I assume that the best SSD for Creator is the best SSD for gamer as well? thank you!!
Missed the WD's SN850X
Please review Crucial gen3 and gen4 drives (2TB and 1 TB), I am really considering to buy them. Creating my first pc (i5 12600k, aero g z690, rtx 3060). Love the new logo.
That is not a optimal build unless you found some price drops.
@@Kevin-fl7mj yes you're right, but i purchased these parts last year but then i got busy. Now i am going to finish it. Ssd, case and monitor remaining.
Where is the Teamgroup T-Create Classic PCIe 4.0? It's cheaper than the Z440 with the same R/W speeds, has DRAM and the 2TB model has an endurance rating of 3600 TBW as well.
The Lexar 790 i think is probably the most battery efficient
Why are we using the KC3000 4Tb and the Firecuda 530 2TB? If Size matters?
So i was thinking alot about SSDs and checked every available source i could find.
In the end i would say Samsung 990 Pro, KC3000 and Fircuda where the best Choices for the main drive.
I went for the KC3000 4TB and ordert it. I did choose it because ist scored beter in every test here then the Fircuda 530.
But the Firecuda may would have been the beter choice by a smal amount because the Lifespan is longer and it still performs rly good and some tests say even better then the KC3000.
But i guess KC3000 is still a good choice.
If i would be looking for a secondary SSD i would propably buy a Lexar NM790 4Tb. I Way cheaper and would be a a great for Storing Videos with a Great TBW.
What do you think?
What do you think of this M.2 Samsung MZ1L23T8HBLA-00A07 PM9A3 3.8TB NVMe PCIe Gen4?
thank you so much for this video!
S70 BLADE ftw
I use a MSI M470 as scrub drive, put everything write intensive there like page file, game cache, simulator map cache, Premier working file... etc. They're dirt cheap, reasonably fast and have 3300 TBW with 2TB version.
all caches are extremely random READ heavy not write. Writes are much less critical as a cache because they're basically planning ahead when writing to the drive as a pagefile, it's when it has to read from it as to when you need the data to be accessed ASAP
@@Frozoken I use M470 for it's 3300 TBW.
@@macbrush fair whi knows how accurate that is tho, check hw info. I know seagate always undelivers on their tbw spec while samsung and WD overdeliver by a good amount.y 1200tbw wd sn850x 2tb is still at 100% write life with 1600GB written when it should've gone to 99% at the 1200GB mark
@Frozoken I use it mainly as map cache, and it's constantly being updated, cache hit is like 1 - 2% average, but it still save a lot of bandwidth.
Test Kingston M.2 drives.
Would you recommend having your program installed on the same hard drive as your project files, eg: Davinci resolve installed on the same hard drive as your video files or Blender on the same drive as your assets (Hopefully this makes sense)... I was planning on having a drive for the OS, documents, and spurious programs, a drive for projects and assets, a drive for games, and a drive for storage... Would this be viable?
you plan sounds good! :)
Smooth intro man
Acer gm7000 2tb. I have three z440 it's show but the long term is what I got it for
great video, but you can compare the samsung 990 PRO vs WD BLACK SN850x?
Very important video for all video guys
How's the KC3000 2TB as a Secondary drive for a creator's laptop?
How about Crucial and Western Digital? Been seeing them in Amazon while canvassing but I'm not sure if they'll be good options in exchange for more affordable price..
If I use my rig for gaming also where should I put my games? OS Drive or Cash etc. Especially if I want to record and stream gameplay.
Which one is better between wd blue sn850 2tb currently at $108 , adata sx8200 pro 2tb at $98 and kingston nv2 2tb at $110?
Cheep, TBW good speed in the middle of the road and Made in Taiwan, Silicon Power 4TB UD90 NVMe 4.0 Gen4 PCIe M.2 SSD R/W up to 5,000/4,500 MB/s (SP04KGBP44UD9005
Hi I have a Mac mini M1 512GB 16Ram and I run out of storage, could I buy one of this drives and an enclosure and set up this drive as a bootable Mac drive so I can have more storage available ?
Please give review to MSI Spatium m480 Pro 2TB/1TB
GM7000 is good? the price almost same as KC3000 in my country
can i remove the Heatsink cover of Samsung 990 pro with Heatsink type , it is not fit with my Laptop ????????
I don't wanna buy a fake one so I watched this video to grasp what price I should look for. Also can anyone here recommend me anything that has 22×80 in size.
Idk if you have in the past but I didn't see it in this video but you should test the SK Hynix P41 Platinum as it is the fastest boot/os in my experience. Below I put my specs for storage and also i have a samsung 980 pro a couple mid range SK Hynix PC801's and ya the SK HYnix P41 Plat is the fastest for boot/os compared to the others I listed also the SK Hynix P41 Platinum is faster the the Samsung 990 Pro and the 980 Pro in real life usage.
Just look at its "Solidigm P44 Pro"-sibling in this video.
Bro, i choose solidigm p44 pro 1tb
That will give me the best for gaming
Corsair mp600, sabrent rocket plus and WD sn870 🤔🤔
Adata S70 Blade perhaps?