If we're assuming that Akainu and Aokiji got stronger over the timeskip we should assume Kizaru did as well there isn't any real reason he should be that much lower IMO
@@anarkrimli1415 Yes but Akainu probably isn't the main villain either that'll likely be Blackbeard or Imu. I do think that Akainu is stronger than Kizaru but less of a gap in between them.
They didn’t get stronger cause of timeskip they got stronger cause they fought an extreme diff battle for the course of ten days. According to OP logic that would certainly give both of them a crazy haki and possibly even df boost
Speculation wise I certainly think some of the most respected and flashed out Vice Admirals will end up being somewhere in the commander tier for sure… especially Momonga, the dog guy, the spider guy etc…
Bro really made such a big difference between Coby and helmeppo while they received the same training, Momonga>vergo, x Drake, bogard. Prime tsuru admiral level. Akainu>Sengoku, Garp according to plot
@@anilthakuria2321 how are they stronger if Luffy surpasses Roger? Why tf would they be weaker than Rogers enemy’s in the marine? How tf does this make sense fanboy? Akainu now surpasses Garp in his prime it’s not even for debate
Still put you in one of your videos Tsuru, tokikake and Gian superior to Jozu when he is more powerful than them. And there you put Tokikake superior to XDrake...It's a circus (Fujitora too underestimated)
no es porque akainu es mejor en más zona que lo supera por ejemplo si akainu donde es mejor es mejor por muy poco pero ese aokiji en agilidad es 100X mejor aokiji gana y hay cosas que no sé de dónde vienes fuerza akainu? no ha usado nada en su vida, pero está criado por barba blanca.
Gion and Tokikake admiral candidates . Gion and Tokikake would have been admirals if Fujitora and Ryokugyu had not appeared. These two characters should be at or very close to admiral level my opinion 1-Sengoku (Prime) 5.250.000 2-Garp (Prime) 5.200.000 3-Akainu 4.450.000 4-Aokiji 4.275.000 5-Kizaru 4.000.000 6- Kong 3.900.000 7- Ryokugyu 3.800.000 8- Fujitora 3.750.000 9- Tokikake 2.780.000 10- Gion 2.750.000 11- Tsuru(prime) 2.350.000
Well sp senpai it has been proven that aramaki is more stronger than fujitora and garp even though he wasn't an admiral he was called the hero of the Marines for a reason Sakazuki should respect him more
He is not a admiral but he got the offer to become one but he rejected it and most likely the reason he is called the hero of the marines and the strongest marine is that he was known to be close to rogers strength and he and Roger beat Rocks pirate’s
I love Marines. And especially admirals. I think they are really underestimate by the fan. I don't talk about this video, but in general. And in my country (France, I'm French ^^ ) admirals are really bad estimate, for example : Akainu = Katakuri, Kizaru = Cracker or Queen, etc... (Yes, even after Chapter 1053 !!) It's really really sad, and I'm angry about it. I try to defend them everey day on fandom of One Piece. But Frenche people, for the majority, are really underestimating admirals and Navy. And they don't change their mind, despite all the best arguments of the world. I hope Oda will show to everyone the real power of admirals and Navy. For me, in my mind : admirals = Yonko = top tier. But in top tier there are differents class : low top tier, mid top tier, and high top tier. In the low top tier we have for instance Big Mom and Fujitora. And in high top tier Akainu and Shanks (I think Akainu > admirals or Yonko, but no Shanks. And Shanks > admirals or Yonko, but no Shanks). The fans in my country hate this opinion, they hate that we said : admirals = Yonko. They really hate this (for the majority, not all). But I hope the manga will show them the truth. Moreover, some part of the French fans of One Piece who don't like Navy or who don't think Admirals are this strong, they are violent and disrespectuf, they even threaten with death us who think admirals are really powerful (top tier), it's serious... So I hope justice will be do : Oda will show they are wrong, they have to have wrong because some of them are nasty. Also, in my opinion vice-admiral, for the elite (so 5 or 6 characters maybe, I don't know, like Onigumo, and of course Tokikake and Gion) are strong like top commanders, and even first commander. But indeed, we lack evidence... (I don't talk about Garp). Team Marines here ! Lol. No seriously they are so underestimate, so I always defend them ^^
Je suis d'accord avec toi sur le fait que amiraux>second de Yonko mais ils sont loin des empereurs par contre. Sinon la Marine aurait 6 personnes de level Yonko dans leur effectif (Fujitora, Ryokugyu, Kizaru, Akainu, Sengoku, Garp). Pourquoi craindraient-ils l'alliance entre big Mom et kaido, pourquoi auraient-ils besoin des Shishibukai ?
@@estebanasm8201 Oui après voilà, chacun son avis sur la question, c'est un débat de grande envergure et récurrent. Et s'ils ont craint l'alliance entre BM et Kaido, c'est parce que peu importe la différence de puissance : il y aurait des pertes importantes chez la Marine quoi qu'il arrive, et même des innocents périraient. De plus, le contexte était très défavorable : rêverie + destitution des grands corsaires + Barbe Noire qui fait sans doute des dingueries + grands corsaires à l'air libre qui font des ravages (surtout Mihawk et Weeble je pense) + déséquilibre mondial (donc plein d'îles autrefois protégées par BM et Kaido vont se faire ravagée par des pirates indépendants) + les révolutionnaires qui ont attaqué Mary Geoise. De plus, la Marine n'avait pas réellement peur. Kizaru voulait y aller pour les stopper, or Akainu lui a dit non, mais pourquoi ? Car Big Mom allait le one shot ? Non : car la force des samouraïs était inconnue. Pourquoi c'est grave ? Car la Marine procède par opérations militaires précises avec pour but : efficacité. Le fait qu'il y ait un inconnu dans les plans risque de tout chambouler et d'avoir de graves conséquences ! Les imprévus sont le cauchemar de chaque opération militaire ! Moi je n'ai pas peur de le dire : oui il y a plusieurs level Yonko (ou plutôt top tier du coup) dans la Marine. Et cela est tout à fait cohérent et logique. Cela ne pose aucun soucis à l'oeuvre et aux rapports de force, car en face tu as 4 empereurs + supernovas + grands corsaires abolis + les centaines de milliers de pirates indépendants + révolutionnaires. Donc ça ne déséquilibre rien. La Marine est très puissante, et je compte sur Oda pour le montrer à l'avenir ^^ Après bien sûr ce n'est que mon avis. J'espère t'avoir convaincu ^^
@@mathiasmerimeche1844 Après les raisons pour lesquelles je n'ai pas changé d'avis sont multiples (et je ne vais pas toutes les citées) mais on a par exemple affrontement entre Kizaru et Rayleigh vieux bien loin du niveau de sa jeunesse et pourtant l'amiral avoue qu'il sera très compliqué de le vaincre, ou encore Fuji qui ne parvient pas à vaincre Sabo même si pour moi il est plus fort car il ne pouvait pas utiliser ses météorites et il éviter de se battre à fond pour ne pas blesser les civils mais on n'a bien vu qu'un empereur éclate un second en utilisant une petite partie de sa force (Kaido forme humaine qui one shot Luffy)
@@estebanasm8201 Je comprends. Concernant Kizaru vs Rayleigh, c'est un argument qui revient toujours. Toutefois, c'est bel et bien Rayleigh qui transpirait, certes car il n'avait pas combattu depuis 20 ans et ne fichait plus rien, en plus d'être vieux. Néanmoins, Rayleigh vieux reste beaucoup plus puissant qu'un second comme Katakuri ou King. De plus, Kizaru l'a affronté à l'épée, or ce n'est pas le domaine favoris de Kizaru mais celui de Rayleigh. Kizaru, en raison de sa "jeunesse", avait une meilleure endurance que Rayleigh. S'il s'était agi d'un vrai combat, Kizaru aurait gagné grâce à la différence d'endurance (dû à l'âge de Rayleigh et son manque d'entraînement) selon moi. Concernant Fujitora vs Sabo, il faut faire attention au contexte et à la complexité du personnage d'Issho : ce dernier voulait laisser Luffy et ses camarades vaincre Doflamingo, afin de montrer au monde entier que le Gouvernement Mondial est pourri, et que les grands corsaires sont tout aussi pourri. Fujitora n'avait pas pour but d'éliminer la team Luffy, au contraire. De par son statut , il ne pouvait rien faire contre Doflamingo car grand corsaire et dragon céleste (déchu certes), donc il a laissé faire Luffy. Ainsi, son combat contre Sabo n'avait aucun intérêt, Fujitora n'avait aucune raison de vaincre Sabo à ce moment là, ce n'était pas son objectif. Par ailleurs, Sabo sous-entend bien que Fujitora cache des choses, puis la scène de fin entre eux sous-entend et prouve que Fujitora n'était pas sérieux tout le long pour les raisons citées ci-dessus. D'ailleurs, les deux se quittent sans soucis. Et puis comme tu dis Fujitora ne pouvait pas se donner à fond, mais de toutes façons il ne voulait pas vaincre Sabo à ce moment là. En réalité voici la chose : ça arrangeait Fujitora que Sabo le retienne, tu sais pourquoi ? Car ça lui donnait une excuse pour ne pas aider Doflamingo ! Voilà mes contre-arguments ^^ N'hésite pas à me donner d'autres arguments à toi concernant ton opinion sur les amiraux et de pourquoi ils n'ont aps le level top tier, j'essaierai de contre-argumenter et si possible de te faire changer d'avis. Mais bien entendu je ne prétends pas détenir la vérité, je peux tout à fait me tromper. Néanmoins je crois fermement à mon opinion actuelle concernant les amiraux.
Как по мне у Аокидзи и Акайну не такая уж и большая разница ,ведь лёд контрит лаву тоже ,но лава лучше. Смотря циклы их развитий можно увидеть ,что Аокидзи получил фрукт раньше чем Акайну и лучше его освоил. Так же Аокидзи видел на что способен Акайну (и он тоже). И если посмотреть по некоторым моментам можно увидеть Аокидзи быстрее Акайну. Хотя моё мнение, Кудзан спокойный ,но рассудительный а Сакадзуки просто бьёт на пролом)
Why Tsuru is at low ? Garp, Sengoku , Tsuru joined the Navy at the same time . Together they trained , become stronger and climbed the ranks throughout the years also she fought wb & Roger in her prime alongside Garp and Sengoku Imo on her prime she's relative to Admirals Source : vivre card databook volume 7
The same vivrecard heavily implies she is mostly respected for her massive intel and battle planning. + we have some statements from different characters that imply tsuru was never on pair with Garp and Sengoku in terms of battle power. Regardless she is incredibly strong and underrated. Just don’t expect her to be above or equal to some of the strongest marines ever
I say she must be strong, but not near Sengoku or Garp's power level, Roger said "if you wanna catch me bring Garp or Sengoku" not "Garp Tsuru or Sengoku"
why did he say he can't beat rayleigh if he's not serious? why did he tell Marine Ford that he wanted to finish the fight quickly if he wasn't serious? why is the navy afraid of the alliance of 2 yonko si kizaru les 2V1? answers small
Ohhh nooo let me explain : -tsuru has got the laundry fruit, how can she have the power of marco ??????? Onigumo tells to tsuru to not stay on the battlefield in marineford -tokikake and gion are high executive level because they are weakier than an admiral and an admiral = commander (read marineford arc and databook it said marco = kizaru) and gion and tokikake are characters created by readers (read the SBS) they can't be so stronger (oda says he is not happy if fans made the history) -garp needs to team up with sengoku to defeat shiki (shiki yonko level) so garp and sengoku are for me semi yonko - In databook it says marco can match an admiral so admiral is commander level - to sum up : Legend > Yonko > Semi Yonko > commander/admiral I NEED TO SAY I M FRENCH (so that's not easy to explain in an other language) AND I DISAGREE I M NOT HERE TO INSULT SO RESPECT MY OPINION LIKE AS I RESPECT YOURS.
Kizaru power level is too low in comparison to other pre-timeskip admirals like Aokiji and Akainu as they were well stated by oda that they're almost equal in overall power so, for me Kizaru power level is too lower....
aramaki>big mom and kizaru, he beat two commanders very easily, and they were recovered, big mom "lost" to law and kid, who are a little above these two, but big mom would defeat law and kid with high-ext diff, they were still hurt by killer and kaido's blows, and aramaki defeated king and queen with low diff, do you understand the difference?
Law and kid are far stronger than king and queen. And king and queen were injured and your forgetting everything big mom did before fighting law and kid
@@akeemgt2122 did you know how to interpret my comment? king and queen are not so below law and kid to be defeated with low diff by big mom, just like aramaki did, kid and law are already 100%, because king and queen wouldn't be if they had less injuries and still have ancestral zoans?
@@gusta7977 king and queen are heavily behind law and kidd. And they were injured and not fully healed nothing implied that they were at full strength not themselves nor the beast pirate's. Just because law and kidd are healed doesn't mean shit for king and queen.
@@akeemgt2122 so what are they behind? high-ext diff has a lot of difference from low diff, law and kid have taken more damage and are fully healed, king and queen have ancestral zoans, why wouldn't it imply? queen received no fatal damage, the only king received was having his wing ripped off, and even then he can replace it with his other forms
@@gusta7977 ur not factoring a whole bunch of info here: 1- While Queen and King should be mostly recovered, King for example still lost a whole ass wing which would decrease significantly his overall mobility and durability. 2- king and Queen were in a prison, they could’ve been chained up with sea stone chains 3- we literally didn’t see how the fight went. Greenbull could’ve literally caught the both of them out-guard completely reducing his chances of winning. 4- u completely ignored matchup too. Given the properties of those vines they are clearly some, if not the best, type of attack against Ancient zoans who heavily rely on durability and endurance. 5- Kid and law didn’t defeat Bm by natural means whatsoever. They quite literally won duo to a very specific circumstance and location and wouldn’t be replicated anywhere in the world 6- adding to the last point ur saying it was a high-extreme diff fight but BM was quite literally laughing and mocking both Kid’s and even Law’s strongest attack. 7- once again matchup. While Greenbull has a matchup advantage over king and Queen, Law and Kid have a Big matchup advantage over BM since they can use Law’s ability to damage her and kid’s ability to weaken her body and heavily reduce her mobility. 8- Kid and Law aren’t just slightly above Queen and King. They’re flat out superior. And its not by a small margin either. Overall ur assessment of this two characters is at least precipitated. We need much more information from Greenbull to say he is conclusively above someone as strong (and underrated) as Bm.
why gion and tokikake in this place your argument is not enough at all it is said that marine = shishibukai = 1 yonko + its crew then why do you put gion and tokikake = marco? Are you telling me that they have this level? why if tsuru ) marco she didn't fight against him? or joz? or vista? are you thinking or not? you don't care about us because we say second = admiral while t has 0 proofs to prove the opposite but you say tokikake = marco these 2 were so bad that they had to look for a blind man in the countryside and a guy who young smoking to take them in their place why tokikake, gion and tsuru never faced a commander if they can?
I don't think smoke stronger than sentomaru, he has advanced arnament, Drake and Vergo cannot stronger than damaltian, momoga, you are so underestimate them
Most of the vice Admirals we see so far are way disappointing. An admiral is clearly Wining against 1st Commanders, pre awakning Doflamingo is loosing low diff. Against 1st YCs, pre awakning Doflamingo defeated law who low Diff. Vergo (vice admiral) 🙂 Another vice admiral smoker got one shotted by Base Doffy. One even got low diffeted by Bartolomeo 🤦 Vice Admirals are just disappointment. I'm expecting more form like of Momonga, Onigumo but these guys got no feats to backup. And those who got feats are trash.
Do you think can roger and prime whitebeard one-shot kaido and big mom? If we use power scaling Roger=whitebeard>oden>kaido>big mom Because -Roger can easily defeat oden -Whitebeard are equal to roger -Oden almost defeat kaido -Big mom is almost strong as kaido
people really overrate oden even though i also like him a lot as a character but people say "hes yonko lvl" and shit just cause he scarred kaido plus if kaido used his hybrid form then it would be a bye-bye for oden then and there he is at most pre TS admiral lvl nothing more than that also even zoro scarred kaido who was didnt even know adv. coq. and wasnt even fully YC1 lvl Edit : Sorry for my bad english, it isnt my primary language
@@chavdarvandamme IMO green bull can solo the entire big mom and beast pirate excluding the yonko Because admiral are much stronger than any yonko commander
In my opinion Akainu and Aokiji should be stronger than Sengoku. Many people think sengoku is as strong as roger but we never saw something special. Yes he hurt Blackbeard but Magellan did that too and is magellan as strong as roger? Sengoku didnt do anything during marineford. And now look at akainu. He Beated a yonko level character and fought against 6 charakterd that are yonko commander level. Marco, Ace, Vista, Crocodile, Ivankov and Jinbei. Akainu should be top 2 or top 1.
Akainu relies too much on his df even though its strong but sengoku just like garp is a master of haki as well so he should beat akainu post TS high diff unless akainu gets adv. coq. or some other shonen villain power up shit
green bull destroyed king and queen so he can win against zoro and sanji easily. if luffy happened to fight zoro and sanji it would be a good fight. so green bull is stronger than luffy since he can beat zoro and sanji easil. and since luffy is stronger than akainu green bull is the strongest of the admirals even akainu
Are you stupid king and queen were injured when greenbull defeated them. And once Zoro and Sanji got upgrades they demolished king and queen. And how in god's name is green bull stronger than akainu
This comment is the definition of a what I would expect from a recently fried brain… so many exaggerations, so many fallacies, so many important info missing, so many false correlations, so many false inductions etc…
@@moha94vss38 and why would that be give me reasons? Bcoz based on garps portrayal he is definitely around rogers level even if roger was stronger garp was around a similar level
@@raeedahmed1958 garp never was on roger lvl when roger sick beat up a marine he said come back with atleast garp or sengoku so i can have fun also garp after god valley incident trained himself to beat dong chinjao and u know damn well roger or an yonko wouldnt need that to beat him
@@moha94vss38 it was literally stated that they almost killed each other countless times so how tf is garp not relative to roger and if roger being sick makes such a big difference then roger would have been stronger than WB according to u and garp trained to destroy chinjaos head not to defeat him garp wanted to smash his head in
If we're assuming that Akainu and Aokiji got stronger over the timeskip we should assume Kizaru did as well there isn't any real reason he should be that much lower IMO
But Kizaru isn't main villain. He has no ambition. This is how One Piece power level works.
@@anarkrimli1415 that still doesnt make him weak lmao
@@anarkrimli1415 Yes but Akainu probably isn't the main villain either that'll likely be Blackbeard or Imu. I do think that Akainu is stronger than Kizaru but less of a gap in between them.
They got stronger cause of their 10 days fight, I don't think Kizaru had any serious battle against another tip tier.
They didn’t get stronger cause of timeskip they got stronger cause they fought an extreme diff battle for the course of ten days. According to OP logic that would certainly give both of them a crazy haki and possibly even df boost
gap between kizaru and akainu is too big
give kizaru plus 100k und akainu a little lower cause 750k is too much Difference
By my scaling kizaru was able to stab WB 2 times even when kizaru was off guard so
Current kizaru - 850k
current akainu - 900k
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Kizaru 3 400 000
Akainu 3 800 000
@@michaeln7901 Nah
Kizaru 3 400 000
Akainu 3 680 000
kizaru?
@@gogeta2494 No kizaru stabbing wb was nothing and akainu gave wb a dounut and destroyed half of his head and akainu still survived wb and was active
Definitely feel like tashigi is too low, also helmeppo also
Speculation wise I certainly think some of the most respected and flashed out Vice Admirals will end up being somewhere in the commander tier for sure… especially Momonga, the dog guy, the spider guy etc…
Bro really made such a big difference between Coby and helmeppo while they received the same training, Momonga>vergo, x Drake, bogard. Prime tsuru admiral level. Akainu>Sengoku, Garp according to plot
Literally
Nah Prime Garp and Sengoku are stronger
@@anilthakuria2321 how are they stronger if Luffy surpasses Roger? Why tf would they be weaker than Rogers enemy’s in the marine? How tf does this make sense fanboy? Akainu now surpasses Garp in his prime it’s not even for debate
@@Sakazuki-San and when did luffy surpass roger yet
Why is momonga above vergo and drake
Helmeppo should probably be higher imo
Please make a video on best haki users in each type
Kong is the commander in chief please make a video about kong's true power I signed up ❤
Underrated like star wars movie
Still put you in one of your videos Tsuru, tokikake and Gian superior to Jozu when he is more powerful than them. And there you put Tokikake superior to XDrake...It's a circus (Fujitora too underestimated)
Are you a ryo sensei sub
@@artuyegaming5140 Yes
Anyone else confused about the Star Wars music in the background.
I think the admirals and even Akainu should be much higher.
Akainu 4,350,000
Kizaru 3,900,000
Ryokugyu 3,820,000
Fujitora 3,750,000
yes there is only 25 marco at marine ford and i think kong should be 10 000 000
i like it, it is the best marines ranking
Any one else noticed obi wan talking in the background
It agree with Kizaru and Aramaki being lower than Aokiji and Akainu but they still should be a bit higher
Bruh why do i hear obi wan Kenobi
Bro really put star wars music on this vid😂
Kizaru underrated
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You're right 👏👍
I think Kizaru is stronger than Aokiji. The fact that Aokiji fought Akainu for ten days doesn't mean that Kizaru can't do it as well
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Akainu vs aokiji
Força:akainu
Velocidade:aokiji
Resistência:akainu
Durabilidade:akainu
Qi:aokiji
Qi de batalha:akainu
Haki:empate
Akuma no mi:akainu
Poder destrutivo:akainu
Agilidade:aokiji
Percepção:aokiji
Hax:akainu
Habilidades:akainu
Wins:akainu
no es porque akainu es mejor en más zona que lo supera por ejemplo si akainu donde es mejor es mejor por muy poco pero ese aokiji en agilidad es 100X mejor aokiji gana y hay cosas que no sé de dónde vienes fuerza akainu? no ha usado nada en su vida, pero está criado por barba blanca.
there is a lot of marco level in marine i just calcule and 31 marco in the marine
1° Garp
2° Sengoku
3° Akainu
4° Kuzan
5° Kizaru
6° Fujitora
7° Ryukogiu
8° Tsuru
9° Tokikake
10° Smoker
Sp senpai next video worst generation vs marines
Gion and Tokikake admiral candidates . Gion and Tokikake would have been admirals if Fujitora and Ryokugyu had not appeared. These two characters should be at or very close to admiral level
my opinion
1-Sengoku (Prime) 5.250.000
2-Garp (Prime) 5.200.000
3-Akainu 4.450.000
4-Aokiji 4.275.000
5-Kizaru 4.000.000
6- Kong 3.900.000
7- Ryokugyu 3.800.000
8- Fujitora 3.750.000
9- Tokikake 2.780.000
10- Gion 2.750.000
11- Tsuru(prime) 2.350.000
You clearly don't watch one piece how the f is sengoku stronger than garp???
Garp is the strongest Marine then Sengoku
@@filipnikolic3457 what are you talking about that's just my opinion.
@@filipnikolic3457 who say that
@@hatrozz1168 you watch two piece if you think sengoku is stronger than garp
Well sp senpai it has been proven that aramaki is more stronger than fujitora and garp even though he wasn't an admiral he was called the hero of the Marines for a reason Sakazuki should respect him more
He is not a admiral but he got the offer to become one but he rejected it and most likely the reason he is called the hero of the marines and the strongest marine is that he was known to be close to rogers strength and he and Roger beat Rocks pirate’s
@@animeking3605 yeah i know and like i said sakasuki should show more respect to him
@@gerardocovarrubias3058 I know he should do it
A lot of marines missing, for example Nezumi and Pudding (both in Arlong arc), but maybe you did it on purpose because there are many of them
I love Marines. And especially admirals. I think they are really underestimate by the fan. I don't talk about this video, but in general. And in my country (France, I'm French ^^ ) admirals are really bad estimate, for example : Akainu = Katakuri, Kizaru = Cracker or Queen, etc... (Yes, even after Chapter 1053 !!) It's really really sad, and I'm angry about it. I try to defend them everey day on fandom of One Piece. But Frenche people, for the majority, are really underestimating admirals and Navy. And they don't change their mind, despite all the best arguments of the world.
I hope Oda will show to everyone the real power of admirals and Navy.
For me, in my mind : admirals = Yonko = top tier. But in top tier there are differents class : low top tier, mid top tier, and high top tier. In the low top tier we have for instance Big Mom and Fujitora. And in high top tier Akainu and Shanks (I think Akainu > admirals or Yonko, but no Shanks. And Shanks > admirals or Yonko, but no Shanks). The fans in my country hate this opinion, they hate that we said : admirals = Yonko. They really hate this (for the majority, not all). But I hope the manga will show them the truth.
Moreover, some part of the French fans of One Piece who don't like Navy or who don't think Admirals are this strong, they are violent and disrespectuf, they even threaten with death us who think admirals are really powerful (top tier), it's serious... So I hope justice will be do : Oda will show they are wrong, they have to have wrong because some of them are nasty.
Also, in my opinion vice-admiral, for the elite (so 5 or 6 characters maybe, I don't know, like Onigumo, and of course Tokikake and Gion) are strong like top commanders, and even first commander. But indeed, we lack evidence... (I don't talk about Garp).
Team Marines here ! Lol. No seriously they are so underestimate, so I always defend them ^^
Je suis d'accord avec toi sur le fait que amiraux>second de Yonko mais ils sont loin des empereurs par contre. Sinon la Marine aurait 6 personnes de level Yonko dans leur effectif (Fujitora, Ryokugyu, Kizaru, Akainu, Sengoku, Garp). Pourquoi craindraient-ils l'alliance entre big Mom et kaido, pourquoi auraient-ils besoin des Shishibukai ?
@@estebanasm8201 Oui après voilà, chacun son avis sur la question, c'est un débat de grande envergure et récurrent.
Et s'ils ont craint l'alliance entre BM et Kaido, c'est parce que peu importe la différence de puissance : il y aurait des pertes importantes chez la Marine quoi qu'il arrive, et même des innocents périraient. De plus, le contexte était très défavorable : rêverie + destitution des grands corsaires + Barbe Noire qui fait sans doute des dingueries + grands corsaires à l'air libre qui font des ravages (surtout Mihawk et Weeble je pense) + déséquilibre mondial (donc plein d'îles autrefois protégées par BM et Kaido vont se faire ravagée par des pirates indépendants) + les révolutionnaires qui ont attaqué Mary Geoise.
De plus, la Marine n'avait pas réellement peur. Kizaru voulait y aller pour les stopper, or Akainu lui a dit non, mais pourquoi ? Car Big Mom allait le one shot ? Non : car la force des samouraïs était inconnue. Pourquoi c'est grave ? Car la Marine procède par opérations militaires précises avec pour but : efficacité. Le fait qu'il y ait un inconnu dans les plans risque de tout chambouler et d'avoir de graves conséquences ! Les imprévus sont le cauchemar de chaque opération militaire !
Moi je n'ai pas peur de le dire : oui il y a plusieurs level Yonko (ou plutôt top tier du coup) dans la Marine. Et cela est tout à fait cohérent et logique. Cela ne pose aucun soucis à l'oeuvre et aux rapports de force, car en face tu as 4 empereurs + supernovas + grands corsaires abolis + les centaines de milliers de pirates indépendants + révolutionnaires. Donc ça ne déséquilibre rien.
La Marine est très puissante, et je compte sur Oda pour le montrer à l'avenir ^^
Après bien sûr ce n'est que mon avis. J'espère t'avoir convaincu ^^
@@mathiasmerimeche1844 Tu ne m'as pas convaincu mais ça fait plaisir de discuter avec quelqu'un sans qu'il t'insulte parce que t'as un avis différent
@@mathiasmerimeche1844 Après les raisons pour lesquelles je n'ai pas changé d'avis sont multiples (et je ne vais pas toutes les citées) mais on a par exemple affrontement entre Kizaru et Rayleigh vieux bien loin du niveau de sa jeunesse et pourtant l'amiral avoue qu'il sera très compliqué de le vaincre, ou encore Fuji qui ne parvient pas à vaincre Sabo même si pour moi il est plus fort car il ne pouvait pas utiliser ses météorites et il éviter de se battre à fond pour ne pas blesser les civils mais on n'a bien vu qu'un empereur éclate un second en utilisant une petite partie de sa force (Kaido forme humaine qui one shot Luffy)
@@estebanasm8201 Je comprends.
Concernant Kizaru vs Rayleigh, c'est un argument qui revient toujours. Toutefois, c'est bel et bien Rayleigh qui transpirait, certes car il n'avait pas combattu depuis 20 ans et ne fichait plus rien, en plus d'être vieux. Néanmoins, Rayleigh vieux reste beaucoup plus puissant qu'un second comme Katakuri ou King. De plus, Kizaru l'a affronté à l'épée, or ce n'est pas le domaine favoris de Kizaru mais celui de Rayleigh. Kizaru, en raison de sa "jeunesse", avait une meilleure endurance que Rayleigh. S'il s'était agi d'un vrai combat, Kizaru aurait gagné grâce à la différence d'endurance (dû à l'âge de Rayleigh et son manque d'entraînement) selon moi.
Concernant Fujitora vs Sabo, il faut faire attention au contexte et à la complexité du personnage d'Issho : ce dernier voulait laisser Luffy et ses camarades vaincre Doflamingo, afin de montrer au monde entier que le Gouvernement Mondial est pourri, et que les grands corsaires sont tout aussi pourri. Fujitora n'avait pas pour but d'éliminer la team Luffy, au contraire. De par son statut , il ne pouvait rien faire contre Doflamingo car grand corsaire et dragon céleste (déchu certes), donc il a laissé faire Luffy. Ainsi, son combat contre Sabo n'avait aucun intérêt, Fujitora n'avait aucune raison de vaincre Sabo à ce moment là, ce n'était pas son objectif. Par ailleurs, Sabo sous-entend bien que Fujitora cache des choses, puis la scène de fin entre eux sous-entend et prouve que Fujitora n'était pas sérieux tout le long pour les raisons citées ci-dessus. D'ailleurs, les deux se quittent sans soucis.
Et puis comme tu dis Fujitora ne pouvait pas se donner à fond, mais de toutes façons il ne voulait pas vaincre Sabo à ce moment là. En réalité voici la chose : ça arrangeait Fujitora que Sabo le retienne, tu sais pourquoi ? Car ça lui donnait une excuse pour ne pas aider Doflamingo !
Voilà mes contre-arguments ^^
N'hésite pas à me donner d'autres arguments à toi concernant ton opinion sur les amiraux et de pourquoi ils n'ont aps le level top tier, j'essaierai de contre-argumenter et si possible de te faire changer d'avis. Mais bien entendu je ne prétends pas détenir la vérité, je peux tout à fait me tromper. Néanmoins je crois fermement à mon opinion actuelle concernant les amiraux.
I really wanna see Bogard in action, or hear how strong he actaully is
I agree with all except onigumo should be between bogard and tsuru and you forgot one of my favorite marine Jonathon.
Как по мне у Аокидзи и Акайну не такая уж и большая разница ,ведь лёд контрит лаву тоже ,но лава лучше.
Смотря циклы их развитий можно увидеть ,что Аокидзи получил фрукт раньше чем Акайну и лучше его освоил.
Так же Аокидзи видел на что способен Акайну (и он тоже). И если посмотреть по некоторым моментам можно увидеть Аокидзи быстрее Акайну. Хотя моё мнение, Кудзан спокойный ,но рассудительный а Сакадзуки просто бьёт на пролом)
fujitora eats ryukogyu alive imo. he might even take kizaru.
Incredible! Song’s Name?
Obi-wan-kenobi theme / duel of the fates
Why Tsuru is at low ? Garp, Sengoku , Tsuru joined the Navy at the same time . Together they trained , become stronger and climbed the ranks throughout the years also she fought wb & Roger in her prime alongside Garp and Sengoku
Imo on her prime she's relative to Admirals
Source : vivre card databook volume 7
The same vivrecard heavily implies she is mostly respected for her massive intel and battle planning.
+ we have some statements from different characters that imply tsuru was never on pair with Garp and Sengoku in terms of battle power.
Regardless she is incredibly strong and underrated. Just don’t expect her to be above or equal to some of the strongest marines ever
I say she must be strong, but not near Sengoku or Garp's power level, Roger said "if you wanna catch me bring Garp or Sengoku" not "Garp Tsuru or Sengoku"
Kizaru Is the strongest marine if he does serius.
why did he say he can't beat rayleigh if he's not serious? why did he tell Marine Ford that he wanted to finish the fight quickly if he wasn't serious? why is the navy afraid of the alliance of 2 yonko si kizaru les 2V1? answers small
These numbers are too high.....
Here's a suggestion:
Let's say, the fodder marine solider is 10.
Now;
Tashigi and Helmepoo should be put a bit higher since they are Haki users
what about marine commander glove
Why it need like 22 smoker to beat fujitora
How did their parents get these names like his name is literally very good
Oda gives those names 🤣 🥴😆
exelent video, but i think smokes is weaker then sentomaru
Dis nigga using star wars i love it
imo tsuru is stronger than gion currently bcoz in the vivre card it said tsuru is the the strongest female marine its said in present tense
What happened to the older power scaling numbers, these numbers are so high and Wack for no reason.
Cp9 : left the chat
they aren't marines
TA bien
dalmatian over smoker is pretty lame, smoker has a logia, which is obviously better than Dalmatian who isn't able to use his Zoan ability that well
theres so many angry with this video
Bellmire is higher than jango and fullbody combined
Akainu is stronger than both sengoku and garp, the overrate of old generation is insane
yeah i like the old guys but new era will surpass the old
Is this soundtrack from spider man game?
No it’s star wars
Ohhh nooo let me explain :
-tsuru has got the laundry fruit, how can she have the power of marco ??????? Onigumo tells to tsuru to not stay on the battlefield in marineford
-tokikake and gion are high executive level because they are weakier than an admiral and an admiral = commander (read marineford arc and databook it said marco = kizaru) and gion and tokikake are characters created by readers (read the SBS) they can't be so stronger (oda says he is not happy if fans made the history)
-garp needs to team up with sengoku to defeat shiki (shiki yonko level) so garp and sengoku are for me semi yonko
- In databook it says marco can match an admiral so admiral is commander level
- to sum up : Legend > Yonko > Semi Yonko > commander/admiral
I NEED TO SAY I M FRENCH (so that's not easy to explain in an other language) AND I DISAGREE I M NOT HERE TO INSULT SO RESPECT MY OPINION LIKE AS I RESPECT YOURS.
Cobi to 8.000 power
Kizaru power level is too low in comparison to other pre-timeskip admirals like Aokiji and Akainu as they were well stated by oda that they're almost equal in overall power so, for me Kizaru power level is too lower....
aramaki>big mom and kizaru, he beat two commanders very easily, and they were recovered, big mom "lost" to law and kid, who are a little above these two, but big mom would defeat law and kid with high-ext diff, they were still hurt by killer and kaido's blows, and aramaki defeated king and queen with low diff, do you understand the difference?
Law and kid are far stronger than king and queen. And king and queen were injured and your forgetting everything big mom did before fighting law and kid
@@akeemgt2122 did you know how to interpret my comment? king and queen are not so below law and kid to be defeated with low diff by big mom, just like aramaki did, kid and law are already 100%, because king and queen wouldn't be if they had less injuries and still have ancestral zoans?
@@gusta7977 king and queen are heavily behind law and kidd. And they were injured and not fully healed nothing implied that they were at full strength not themselves nor the beast pirate's. Just because law and kidd are healed doesn't mean shit for king and queen.
@@akeemgt2122 so what are they behind? high-ext diff has a lot of difference from low diff, law and kid have taken more damage and are fully healed, king and queen have ancestral zoans, why wouldn't it imply? queen received no fatal damage, the only king received was having his wing ripped off, and even then he can replace it with his other forms
@@gusta7977 ur not factoring a whole bunch of info here:
1- While Queen and King should be mostly recovered, King for example still lost a whole ass wing which would decrease significantly his overall mobility and durability.
2- king and Queen were in a prison, they could’ve been chained up with sea stone chains
3- we literally didn’t see how the fight went. Greenbull could’ve literally caught the both of them out-guard completely reducing his chances of winning.
4- u completely ignored matchup too. Given the properties of those vines they are clearly some, if not the best, type of attack against Ancient zoans who heavily rely on durability and endurance.
5- Kid and law didn’t defeat Bm by natural means whatsoever. They quite literally won duo to a very specific circumstance and location and wouldn’t be replicated anywhere in the world
6- adding to the last point ur saying it was a high-extreme diff fight but BM was quite literally laughing and mocking both Kid’s and even Law’s strongest attack.
7- once again matchup. While Greenbull has a matchup advantage over king and Queen, Law and Kid have a Big matchup advantage over BM since they can use Law’s ability to damage her and kid’s ability to weaken her body and heavily reduce her mobility.
8- Kid and Law aren’t just slightly above Queen and King. They’re flat out superior. And its not by a small margin either.
Overall ur assessment of this two characters is at least precipitated. We need much more information from Greenbull to say he is conclusively above someone as strong (and underrated) as Bm.
Bro make naruto vs luffy
Why do you hate Luffy
why is Helmeppo so weak.
Momonga
i think greenbull is way stronger than the most think because i assume that he has the forest god zoan devil fruit and could be on yonko level
his fruit logia confirmed by leakers and all admirals around yonko level if not higher
@@bruhmoment2443 look when i wrote the comment...
at this time it wasnt confirmed
Where are u from ?
Sentomaro should be way above
Fujitora is stronger than ryokugyu.
There's no way aokiji , kizaru and akainu has that much difference.
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why gion and tokikake in this place your argument is not enough at all it is said that marine = shishibukai = 1 yonko + its crew then why do you put gion and tokikake = marco? Are you telling me that they have this level? why if tsuru ) marco she didn't fight against him? or joz? or vista? are you thinking or not? you don't care about us because we say second = admiral while t has 0 proofs to prove the opposite but you say tokikake = marco these 2 were so bad that they had to look for a blind man in the countryside and a guy who young smoking to take them in their place why tokikake, gion and tsuru never faced a commander if they can?
I think ryokugyu stronger than misadventures
wear is cp9?
X Drake*
I don't think smoke stronger than sentomaru, he has advanced arnament, Drake and Vergo cannot stronger than damaltian, momoga, you are so underestimate them
Its weird to see the gap you put between admiral and vice admiral ... That not accurate at all
Most of the vice Admirals we see so far are way disappointing.
An admiral is clearly Wining against 1st Commanders, pre awakning Doflamingo is loosing low diff. Against 1st YCs, pre awakning Doflamingo defeated law who low Diff. Vergo (vice admiral) 🙂
Another vice admiral smoker got one shotted by Base Doffy.
One even got low diffeted by Bartolomeo 🤦
Vice Admirals are just disappointment.
I'm expecting more form like of Momonga, Onigumo but these guys got no feats to backup. And those who got feats are trash.
Read his comment clown
Vice admirals are pure trash and fodder what we have seen
Do you think can roger and prime whitebeard one-shot kaido and big mom?
If we use power scaling
Roger=whitebeard>oden>kaido>big mom
Because
-Roger can easily defeat oden
-Whitebeard are equal to roger
-Oden almost defeat kaido
-Big mom is almost strong as kaido
No they can't
Kaido>big Mom>Oden
Oden almost defeated young kaido and this kaido didn't even use his hybrid
It's been twenty years, don't they get stronger?
people really overrate oden even though i also like him a lot as a character but people say "hes yonko lvl" and shit just cause he scarred kaido plus if kaido used his hybrid form then it would be a bye-bye for oden then and there he is at most pre TS admiral lvl nothing more than that also even zoro scarred kaido who was didnt even know adv. coq. and wasnt even fully YC1 lvl
Edit : Sorry for my bad english, it isnt my primary language
Kaido wasn't even at his prime and he didn't even used his hybrid form. Ge was cocky at time like eneru who is pure fodder now
@@samrat773 he is overrated and extremely underrated at the same type. Depends to who u ask
Coby is too high
Goofy ahh Star Wars music
IN YOUR WORLD TSURU,TOKIKAKE AN GION CAN BEAT KING,KATAKURI,MARCO OR ZORO LOLLL XDD TWO PIECE
Akainu over that bum sengoku
Sorry but admiral level doesn't exist
What are you talking about
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Goku 4000000 garp 3800000 akainu 5000000
Smoker is stronger than Momonga and Doberman. Smoker should be High Executive, and the other 2 vice admirals should be Executive
Can green bull solo the entire beast pirate excluding kaido since he can easily defeat king and queen?
no tf king and quen was nearly dead it was not that hard
@@chavdarvandamme IMO green bull can solo the entire big mom and beast pirate excluding the yonko
Because admiral are much stronger than any yonko commander
@@jasminegobuster3847 wtf bro💀💀💀
@@chavdarvandamme no it was a weak after they weren't nearly dead
Nop
Helmeppo >> Hina 😹
Imu sama is stronger than all
In my opinion Akainu and Aokiji should be stronger than Sengoku. Many people think sengoku is as strong as roger but we never saw something special. Yes he hurt Blackbeard but Magellan did that too and is magellan as strong as roger? Sengoku didnt do anything during marineford. And now look at akainu. He Beated a yonko level character and fought against 6 charakterd that are yonko commander level. Marco, Ace, Vista, Crocodile, Ivankov and Jinbei. Akainu should be top 2 or top 1.
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ROGER himself said “if you want to catch me bring at least garp or SENGOKU” don’t be a clown
Akainu relies too much on his df even though its strong but sengoku just like garp is a master of haki as well so he should beat akainu post TS high diff unless akainu gets adv. coq. or some other shonen villain power up shit
Akainu or Aokiji >>> Garp or Sengoku
@@Adson001 garp > Akainu and Aokiji
green bull destroyed king and queen so he can win against zoro and sanji easily. if luffy happened to fight zoro and sanji it would be a good fight. so green bull is stronger than luffy since he can beat zoro and sanji easil. and since luffy is stronger than akainu green bull is the strongest of the admirals even akainu
Wtf 😂😂😂😂
Are you stupid king and queen were injured when greenbull defeated them. And once Zoro and Sanji got upgrades they demolished king and queen. And how in god's name is green bull stronger than akainu
This comment is the definition of a what I would expect from a recently fried brain… so many exaggerations, so many fallacies, so many important info missing, so many false correlations, so many false inductions etc…
Garp = sengoku.
And the gap of those both and admirals is to huge.
Overrated old era
Akainu,kizaru and aokiji couldnt become much stronger bec they attained their peak and garp isnt on roger lvl
i mean roger is 5.7m while garp is 5.4m
@@raeedahmed1958 still he not near him he near yonko lvl
@@moha94vss38 and why would that be give me reasons? Bcoz based on garps portrayal he is definitely around rogers level even if roger was stronger garp was around a similar level
@@raeedahmed1958 garp never was on roger lvl when roger sick beat up a marine he said come back with atleast garp or sengoku so i can have fun also garp after god valley incident trained himself to beat dong chinjao and u know damn well roger or an yonko wouldnt need that to beat him
@@moha94vss38 it was literally stated that they almost killed each other countless times so how tf is garp not relative to roger and if roger being sick makes such a big difference then roger would have been stronger than WB according to u and garp trained to destroy chinjaos head not to defeat him garp wanted to smash his head in
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By the logic you used for akainu then akainu>prime garp
EOS akainu>prime garp>current akainu
Fax
@@guylifshitz7094 EOS Akainu = Akainu atual
@@guylifshitz7094 there is no eos bruh,akainu is almost 50 there is no way there is eos now too cuz we are already at eos
@@Adson001 Lol no
Smoker is the strongest vice admiral
No. Garp is strongest vice admiral.
No