Paths of Glory (4/11) Movie CLIP - A Controversial Order (1957) HD
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Capt. Rousseau (John Stein) refuses to obey Gen. Mireau's (George Macready) order to shoot down his own men unless he receives the order in writing.
FILM DESCRIPTION:
Adapting Humphrey Cobb's novel to the screen, director Stanley Kubrick and his collaborators Calder Willingham and Jim Thompson set out to make a devastating anti-war statement, and they succeeded above and beyond the call of duty. In the third year of World War I, the erudite but morally bankrupt French general Broulard (Adolphe Menjou) orders his troops to seize the heavily fortified "Ant Hill" from the Germans. General Mireau (George MacReady) knows that this action will be suicidal, but he will sacrfice his men to enhance his own reputation. Against his better judgment, Colonel Dax (Kirk Douglas) leads the charge, and the results are appalling. When, after witnessing the slaughter of their comrades, a handful of the French troops refuse to leave the trenches, Mireau very nearly orders the artillery to fire on his own men. Still smarting from the defeat, Mireau cannot admit to himself that the attack was a bad idea from the outset: he convinces himself that loss of Ant Hill was due to the cowardice of his men. Mireau demands that three soldiers be selected by lot to be executed as an example to rest of the troops. Acting as defense attorney, Colonel Dax pleads eloquently for the lives of the unfortunate three, but their fate is a done deal. Even an eleventh-hour piece of evidence proving Mireau's incompetence is ignored by the smirking Broulard, who is only interested in putting on a show of bravado. A failure when first released (it was banned outright in France for several years), Paths of Glory has since taken its place in the pantheon of classic war movies, its message growing only more pertinent and potent with each passing year (it was especially popular during the Vietnam era).
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TM & © MGM (1957)
Cast: Richard Anderson, Harold Benedict, George Macready, John Stein
Director: Stanley Kubrick
Producers: James B. Harris, Kirk Douglas, Stanley Kubrick
Screenwriters: Stanley Kubrick, Calder Willingham, Jim Thompson, Humphrey Cobb
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Fun fact : James Doohan, who played Scotty on Star Trek, served in the Canadian armed forces as an artillery officer. Once on an exercise a visiting officer ordered him to fire live rounds on a grid reference which Doohan knew was occupied by his own men. He refused. The officer raged at him, threatened to court martial him, and Doohan simply said "No, sir. I will not." The man did try to get Doohan court martialled, but the inquiry cleared him of all charges.
Wow. I can just hear Montgomery Scott say that with that accent of his!
I believe that Mr. Doohan had a finger shot off during WW2. That's why he always shielded his right hand while on camera.
@@Rickwmc It sure was !
That reminds me of that queens to level 3 episode where Scotty refused to let captain kirk on board without the password.
I wonder what happened to the visiting officer?
The battery commander had good sense and major balls!
but soon to be eunuch (aka dickless)
Compare his behavior out in the danger zone to the General's while safe in a bunker. Says a lot about the difference between the two.
@@sonrouge there are generals who would charge at enemy *personally.*
@@okapmeinkap7311 Mattis, Patton, Petraeus.
Well, I don't know, just deliberately mass murdering your own troops because a superior officer says so seems like something that can end badly at an inquiry. Asking to have it as a written order seems like the absolute minimum of self preservation.
The easiest way to distinguish a bad war movie from a good one: do the artillery pieces recoil when they are firing? -This is a good one.
ml191172 No this is an excellent one!
And artillery batteries aren't placed on top of a ridge but at mid-height.. and behind - This is definitely a good one
agreed. One of the reasons I knew Full Metal Jacket was so good was because when the tanks fired they recoiled as well.
@@wehateiceland Fun Fact, the actors in airplane battles in war movies of the eighties and nineties were simply told to pull and push the machine guns they were firing - to simulate realistic recoil.
A Bridge Too Far had 25 pdrs firing live ammunition on a range, w crew of reservists dresses in period uniforms.
If the General wants so badly for the attack to take place, perhaps he should LEAD it.
and he would. not a coward. but the decision is deeply controversial.
General he’s a coward
@@tuckergreen2818 and above all selfish too...
I thought he’s a Colonel
Imagine if Napoleon was in WWI.
"I must have a written order, signed by the General."
Ah, the fine art of being insubordinate without being charged with insubordination. Whether in war or peace gentleman, the value of practicing and perfecting this skill will be invaluable in whatever you do. Know the rules, remember the rules, and when something comes along that you don't want to, use a rule that says you don't have to do what you don't want to do. That's a tip. Write it down.
It’s why when I was in if I was ever given sketchy instruction on how to complete something I’d ask for it either by email or text message.
"Shove the Anthill up your anthill general!"
He still got shot for it, though.
A Nelsonian eye:I don't see the signal.Attack!!!.
@@dac5782 He wasn't executed.
Damn you missed the best part..."if those little sweethearts won't face German bullets they'll face French ones!"
Try the Red Armiya. The commissars would give it to you right there and then for retreat sans permission.
"Alright, we'll do it sir."
"Thank you captain!"
"Lieutenant?"
"Yes captain?"
"Get me command's coordinates, would you?"
That is what they should have done.
@@thelastjohnwayne yeah but there are innocent people in the command center who would get caught in the blast
This film was banned in France until 1975
fucking governent
Doesnt surprise me. DeGaulle fought in the 1st war, wounded and taken prisoner. This scene Doesnt portray the French military too nicely.
That’s how you know it’s a good movie.
There were people like this on all sides
@@merky6004 It reminds me of the saying "find out who you may not criticize, and then you will know who truly has power"
One of the great villains in cinema.
Kubrick's most evil character, even more evil than Alex from A Clockwork Orange
@@englishonthetipofyourtongu5482 The worst part is that this one actually existed.
I grew up in northern France and I was a kid , each time there were public works in my city,we found unexploded ww1 shells or grenades moved by construction's cranes.
Me and my friends we played with.When I think about it,I do not understand why I am still alive.
It's a miracle because we were more unconscious than fearless.
I'm sure there's a kid from Laos reading this comment but cannot type a reply due to... well, you know.
I found a lot of bullets and shrapnel left from WW2 just playing in nearby field from my grandma's house. That was one hell of a war for sure.
By this general's very own definition he is himself a coward, as he has survived combat.
The real-life scar on George Macready's right cheek appeared rather more noticeable in "Paths of Glory" than in others (Gilda, 1946, for example); perhaps the more prominent scar fit his role even better....
Mensur scar. Sign of aristocracy, usually a German thing.
I imagine it's all down to lighting, and was probably a deliberate choice to make him look more sinister
@@Tounushi A beautiful "Terz unterhalb" (near horizontal blow to the lower right quadrant of the fencer's face). But Macready's is so long as to be incredible.
@@alexmuenster2102 It was said to have been caused by a car accident (as were Kaltenbrunner's scars in WW2).
Just for precision's sake, this scene is totally realistic. In the context of WWI French Army's regulations, such an order was illegal and was different from the execution of soldiers for desertion or cowardice (that had still to be sanctioned by a military court). The battery commander asked for a written order knowing very well he would get none. Also, the order had been transmitted through a subaltern, so the general couldn't invoke a "misunderstanding". Having to choose between a demotion or a transfer and facing court-martial for having fired on its own troops under a verbal order, the choice for the battery commander was clear.
It must be added that there have been anecdotes of commanders ordering to fire on their own positions to "encourage" an attack, but none have been ever confirmed. On the other hand, there have been few documented cases of commanders ordering summary executions without trial of soldiers for alleged "insubordination" during both WWII and WWI, but, at least in western European armies, these were almost always followed by investigations and in some case by court-martial of the officer.
The incident on which PATHS OF GLORY is based, the Souain corporals affair, apparently did involve the commanding general, Réveilhac, ordering division artillery to do just this. As in the movie, the artillery commander point blank refused without a written roder. Réveilhac backed down.
in the italian army, after caporetto (XII isonzo battle) and the following retreat, the carabinieri killed on the spot many italian soldiers for "retreating and not being willing to fight". The amount of unsanctioned deaths has never been assessed, since there arent records, but is suspected to be near two hundreds at least
The thing is that in reality there is a fine line between insubordination and mutiny. It is one thing if one man acts insubordinate, but if he incites other people to do it, or several people are being insubordinate in collusion with other men, there is reason to call it an act of mutiny.
It is an officers duty to put down any mutinous act with whatever force necessary. Yes, a duty, not a right. Therefore it can be hard to prosecute an officer for executing a soldier. The officer can claim that he was exercising what he believed was his duty, not his right, and then any court, civil or military will have a hard burden of proof.
"The film doesn´t transmit any message. In any case is a film in favour or against the army. It´s a film against the war, which can lead men to such conflicts of conscience"
Stanley Kubrick
(1928-1999)
American fim director, screenwriter, producer, cinematographer, editor and photographer. Greetings from Venezuela. 🇻🇪
Read Kirk Douglas's autobiography sometime. The one that wanted to ruin this film was Stanley Kubrick.
@thatzim wtf stanley was afraid that the film in its current state would be too unhappy and would not sit well with audiences. Kirk Douglas convinced him that even if audiences didn't like the film, it needed to be in the state it is in today.
I would've like for an epilogue about Mireau's trail and sentencing. He strikes a very sensitive nerve I have towards authoritarian figures who balk at the idea of following the same rules as everyone else. He tries to get his own men killed. He has no response for the "written signature" rule other than threatening the battery captain with an arrest and execution. And when faced with the charges, he lies through his teeth and says he's a soldier. Except that same captain he threatened will be testifying against him in court. Like ex-police officer Michael Sleger, he'll probably say that he "forgot" what happened.
The film is just such a stark reminder of "reality" vs. the delusions of these authoritarian figures. You can make all the threats you want. You can arrest and execute all the people you want. It does nothing to change your own legal obligations. It does absolutely nothing to change the fact that the Anthill is still there, still heavily fortified by the enemy, and infantry charges through a killing field with no cover STILL won't work.
Based on what you ranted you would have been shot ON THE SPOT by a commissar officer if you were in the Russian army.
It’s about an inability to lead. Subordinates pay the price.
Entitlement, power, and privilege.
@@okapmeinkap7311 Definitely! xD
I love the way the two gaurd's look at each other when he gives the order
That’s the look of “is this really happening? That can’t be right… should we do something? Say something??” Captain Rosseau was a brave man
“You’ll be in front of a firing squad tomorrow morning.” LOLs
The General knows this is an unlawful order so he doesn't want any written orders with his signature on it. He was probably hoping he could blame it the artillery commander missing the target if word of this got back to command.
Yep, the battery commander demanded a written order because he knew it was never going to happen.
And indeed in the real event that inspired this film, that is exactly what happened. The Artillery Commander demanded a written & signed order and the General, knowing full well that he had no right to issue such an order, declined to do so.
The Artillery Commander knew full well that they would have been used as the scapegoat and was smart enough to force the general into a position where he either had to back down or suffer the consequences of such an order himself, with no room to offer up a scapegoat or claim a 'miscommunication'.
The next day, the battery commander does indeed report himself to Miraeu, but his boss, the corp commander, general Broulard, is also there. Miraeu tells the captain to go away as he doesn’t have time to meet with him. When Broulard asks Mireau what that was about, he says that he had intended to talk to the battery commander about “shells falling short”
This is why we have an XO beside a CO. This kind of order to gun down your own men on whatever basis must absolutely be made jointly in a general sense, but because war is unpredictable, sometimes a devastating order maybe made by one of the two officers in charge, and it better be absolutely totally unequivocally justified and where allowed, signed, unsealed and delivered.
A poignant point in the movie a General ordering his artillery to fire on his own troops totally insane!🤨😠
Insane? The Soviet Red Army would have the whole battalion SHOT!
o kap mein kap More than Likely especially when Stalin was still alive!🤨
@@okapmeinkap7311 that is a myth
That general is a nasty piece of work
"Ah! The generals! Many but not good for many things" Aristophanes (446 B.C - 386 B.C.) Comic playwright of ancient Athens. Greetings from Venezuela.
He'd look better with a bayonet in him.
@@jaycharles3121 are you suggesting mutiny private
Probably got where he was through means other than skill on the battlefield.
@@sonrouge Most field generals at the time had not actually had any combat experience. Many were at best tactical theorists and skilled military politicians that climbed their way to the top by agreeing with the right people. Some were still fortunately competent commanders. Many were not.
One the best movies ever made
"¡Ah! ¡Los generales! Muchos, pero no buenos para mucho"
Aristófanes
(446 A.C - 386 A.C)
Poeta y comediógrafo griego.
Yo lo habia escuchado de otra forma, "¡Ah! ¡Los generales! Son muchos pero sirven para bien poco"
I love me some George Macready !
...One hour later... " The General has been shot and killed ! No idea from which direction.... "
These guys thought they were medieval knights commanding high-powered weaponry that no one had ever seen before.
Some further fun facts about this movie:
Kirk Douglas played not only the lead role, but served also as producer of the movie thru his own production company, Bryna-Productions.
The movie was completely shot on a pretty tight budget at the Bavaria Studios, Munich-Geiselgasteig and some nearby surroundings in Germany.
The trenches were built and the battle scenes filmed on a field near Munich-Pullach.
The "New Castle Schleißheim" in Oberschleißheim is the location, where the execution scene was filmed in front of, and also the trial scenes were filmed inside that same castle.
The specialist providing the
(then still solely ) practical pyrotech effects was the famed German FX-man, Karl "Charlie Boom Boom" Baumgartner, who'd provide the pyrotech effects for some thirty years for many international movies, among them
"The Longest Day"
(USA 1962),
"Dunkirk 1940"
( France 1964),
"The Bridge at Remagen"
(USA 1968),
"Waterloo"
( Italy/USSR 1970),
"A Bridge too Far"
(GB 1977),
"Steiner - The Iron Cross"
( Germany 1977) and
"Das Boot"
(Germany 1979/80/81)
The accomplished director of photography of the movie, Georg Krause, was from Germany too.
Shortly before this movie he had also photographed two parts of the classic trilogy of the "o8 / 15" - movies, which were among the first movies made in Germany about WW2 in 1954/55.
To save the production same money ironically all the ( non-speaking ! ) extras playing French soldiers were actually German policemen recruited from the state police of Bavaria, because they got payed by the Bavarian federal state and were by law not allowed to earn some extra money, because, as said, they were state officials.
There really lies some irony in the fact, that all the extras playing French soldiers were actually Germans, doesn't it !? ;)
This was a rather cheap method for the Bavarian goverment to promote the movie production facilities in Munich to foreign producers and attract them to produce their movies there.
The policemen would be sent to the movie set during their official work hours and got paid by the state.
Another advantage of hiring policemen as extras was, that they were naturally used to handle arms, so the production had not to spend considerable time in give unexperienced extras some training lessons in it.
( Five years later another classic American war movie would be produced here as well :
"The Great Escape"
with an all star cast.
And in 1979/80 another classic,
"Das Boot", this time as a complete German production.)
But it is pretty likely, that most of these men had also actually fought as soldiers, the older ones in WW1 ( and maybe they were even forced to fight again in the "Volksturm" during the last months of WW2 ) and the younger men probably in WW2.
So most of the non-speaking extras certainly knew the song and could fully understand the lyrics.
So it was probably no big acting deal for them to tear up, when Christiane Kubrick had sung it in front of them so movingly and in such plain fashion like a German mother from a hundred years ago would have sung it to her little child.
There lies so much "innocence" in the unpretentious way she sings this simple tune, that you can't help but being deeply touched by it.
That’s the same SOB that screamed he was a innocent man and pleaded ignorance about his order to murder his own troops with French artillery.This movie was controversial back when it was released and even banned in some countries because it was all too true and many who gave the orders for men to basically commit suicide in a sinful human meat grinder where still alive and some in positions of power.
It was banned in France, of all places, until the late 1970s. You can understand why.
@@nm7358 Touched a nerve huh?
McCready almost sounds like Peter Sellers getting irate during the attempted phone call from Burpelson airbase in Dr. Strangelove...
The acting in this movie is superb. Im not sure how Kubrik does it. Because he literally just tells them to act. He doesent give specific instructions or ask for specific emotions etc. as far as i know
Oh George!
Not a single German soldier is visible during the attack. Quite common during that war.
That definitely had a significance because it made the conflict meaningless.
When your commander is deliberately trying to get you and your men killed, you have an obligation to end him.
The French 75mm field gun was a fine piece of light artillery but not very useful against entrenched fortifications.. the French lacked heavy artillery at the beginning of WW1 Needed to yield to reality that siege warfare needed heavier guns and motars..
I don't know if it's true or not, but the movie "Breaker Morant" deals with an alleged verbal order by British General Kitcher passed down through the ranks to shoot any Boers suspected as insurgents shooting British troops. When several British or Aussie soldiers are killed in a Boer ambush, the unit commander has the Boers rounded up shot, as well as a travelling Boer preacher suspected of spying on British camps. Three of the Aussie soldiers involved are brought to trial, and when they mention Kitcher's general order, it is denied as being false because it was never written down, so they pay the price to be executed for the General's verbal order.
It’s “Kitchener”
Another great war movie.
Reminds me of Uvalde Police Department on 05/24/2022
No sane person would carry out such an order.
Se glielo presenti scritto e firmato lo eseguono.
Cpt. Rousseau was as much a hero as Col. Dax.
And this is why fragging was instituted.
Your team after you fail to clutch a 1v5
One of the greatest scenes in the history of film
Also legally correct. All military orders involving close combat where life is in peril, require written orders. He is not ordering his orderly to polish his boots
"if they won't face German bullets they'll face French bullets"
"If THOSE LITTLE SWEETHEARTS won't face German bullets, they'll face French ones!"
He could have make a fine bond villain.
Really tense and well filmed. Color woukd have made the mud too.pretty
Kubrick best movie
key segment of the film
and also of Kubrick filmography
French troops who speak English: If that isn't Cultural Barbarism !
Wow you probably pointed out that the Germans spoke English in All Quiet on the Western Front too, huh. Very, observant indeed
I’ve never seen this movie did the French general ( the bad guy ) finally buy it at the end ?
Not really. He'll be facing an inquiry sure, but most probably either transfered or demoted behind closed doors.
War is a RACKET!
someone should dub over battery commander, now go home and get your f-ing shoe shine box.
There missing out the bit the artillery officer tells of the order to fire on own men that’s the crunch of of film
A lot of Yanks in the French army.
and how is that relevant?
Aren't you the observant one. Nothing gets past you.
Judas I have to inform you, this is a movie. And the movie 300, there are no real Greeks there. Only actors. When you are finishing Elementary school?
And the funny thing is:
war is never funny.
I'd tell them where to GO-!!
And these were the kind of movies made in Hollywood leading up to Vietnam. No wonder it ended the way it did.
Can you really shoot down your own men on the order of your commanding officer? The difficult answer is, yes. In combat condition if your general orders you to fire battery volleys at your own men on the basis they disobey a valid combat order or exhibit mutiny, yes, the battlefield commanding officer can issue such a devastating order and it must be, well, executed because it is "justified".
except it was not justifed for them to charge tho
@@mareksicinski3726 That's why some were court martialed, convicted and shot.
@@okapmeinkap7311 no that was not why lol
@Nick Sambides Jr. what?
Not without the order stated in writing, and not when the order is illegal or immoral.
The whole operation in my opinion is a tragedy but if space alone is the factor & if that spaced occupied by the Germans & are . coming so closed to your lines then considering the situation of a defeat then the general sent down the order of the bombardment of the own French positions in order perhaps to minimaze the coming defeat or perhaps to succeed to some point to separate the two lines & somehow even to turned things around that is one way to look at it then on the other hand the general perhaps is not all the way correct of course is easy for him to give the order. Of the shooting of his own men positions but is difficult for the simple soldier to grab the meaning behind the order & the understanding of its execution because of the fact of so many men are going to died & it's hurts now things are changing the moment when their own French position was confirmed that it was correct then for a second time the general sent the order down for the shooting it's not clear to me in my mind it's very difficult decision because the general here can be considered as weak personality & characterises because he may feels that if he failed he won't be able to assume later on of a higher command & therefore to advance in prestige .
French man with perfect English accent lol
The general is gleeful and satisfied with himself about the order...
Wouldn't surprise me if generals today pull off things like this.
Sounds like modern western generals. I guess some things don’t change
Half of them won't go huh?
As you can see im not a general , i didn't went to academy, i don't know how army works, i don't know the rules here.
I don't know i should write the order n sign it , so u do it.
But sir , you are general, u did go to academy , u do know the rules n how it's ahhh💀
Shut up, thanos is talking.
So did Capt. Russeau get a lead the next day?
No he lived through the rest of movie and told Colonel Dax of the General's actions.
Of course no.
Am I the only one who found general ridiculous ?
Џон Мастерман something about this guy he makes me laugh.
This was the most harrowing scene in the entire movie for me
George Mcready was always the best villan
Un autentico suicidio di intere generazioni😢😢😢
there's no "sir" in french army, "sir" is anglo american usage..
That is of course perfectly true (he would have said « mon général ») but you have to allow for a little poetic license here.
@Sanuk Jang Lery The "yanks" didn't save anything during World War 1, you're confusing it with World War 2.
And without the help of the French, the British would have defeated the Americans during your war of independence and the US would be today as relevant as Canada or Australia.
generally french soldiers don't speak english either
@@lionguardant5468 you know even russian people talk english sometimes (enemy at the gates...)
@@avae5343 I know.
One million French soldiers died directly or indirectly from ‘friendly fire’ from French Artillery. Les Massacre De Notre Infanterie.
?????
I always find the acting in Kubric's films to be strained.
у антанты аэропланы танки броневики пулеметы станковые и переносные минометы автоматы карабины воздушные шары дирижабли а у немцев из вундервафлей только газ иприт и все и антанта от страха четыре с лищним года по окопам пряталась пока не сообразила что намного сильнее немцев и за один день окончила войну разбив 16армий немцев
и заключила компьенское пермирие в 1918 а потом и веосальский мин в 1919году
Clan leaders in Foxhole
First
2.00 - not the best acting