Drag queen slams anti-trans discourse, Reform UK's rise, and lies behind the culture war
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- We were joined by drag superstar Divina De Campo for our election night coverage, where we discussed Nigel Farage's wins from the Tories, the fallacy of the culture war and the failures of Rishi Sunak on LGBT rights.
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I appreciate the podcast but it's striking to me how UK media only uses drag queens to talk about trans issues which seems to generate the idea in people's minds that I'm a drag queen when I'm not.
This is something I've noticed too. When I was in uni and starting to try and talk to friends about potentially being trans - they just said 'Oh I love Drag Race!' as though it was the same thing. Back then - the idea of performing womanhood for entertainment and laughs was horrifying to me - who just wanted to not be stared at, and go about their day quietly.
Yes. Definitely creates/cements a “blurred narrative” for those uninterested in stepping out of their ignorance/bigotry. With media that is trans positive, they should definitely be speaking with trans folk, and drag artists, and trans drag artists.
However, with the antagonistic “side” of the media, sadly the majority, I appreciate cis drag acts standing up and “taking the brunt”. I wish I could say “as long as trans folk were invited first” but I do not trust broadcasting bodies to even ask in a “non damaging” way. They can’t even manage “neutral”!
Side note; I am always here for more Divina!
It doesn't help that so many times when you ask trans people to talk about things they either refuse or go off at everyone and weaken their points with ridiculous statements.
its only ignorance generally but it can mean the inquisitive learn the nuances ,
most press is bad press no matter who you are , if the media tax dodging moguls want folk to be anry at you they will
but those who see the media and question it , they wise up
Pod save the UK have had some good interviews you may be more comfortable with.
Trans obsession is another distraction tactic. Got way bigger issues that are objectively more important.
The amount of coverage this topic gets is absolutely bonkers.
in typical fashion its such a tiny minority... like what is it ~1% of the population?
nevermind how difficult it is as an identity, from getting healthcare to the various rights hampered by being trans
@@ince55ant I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if the true figure is about 5-10% if we removed the barriers you mention (and had a slightly more expansive definition, just like how we include bi people nowadays but back then most people only thought in terms of straight and gay).
We have to cover it to push back, silence is deadly.
Exactly and politicsjoe just feed into with this twoddle
@@ryantate6447yep. I wonder how many people who thumbs upped my comment thought I was just referring to your Daily Mails and GB News'
Everyone here, please be aware that Wes Streeting, the Secretary of Health and Social Care, has just moved to ban puberty blockers permanently.
Please can you have a trans person on to talk about this and associated topics in future? Happy to step in and discuss it with you, if you need a volunteer - I speak with CEOs and executives around the country about being trans and recovering from homelessness and sex work in the current social climate, so am more than happy to sit down and have the difficult conversations with you guys, also.
She has said she’s part of the Trans community.
Please stop using drag queens to discuss trans issues.
I am a trans woman 24/7, this isn't a costume or act that I can don or drop on a whim & having drag queens speak on trans issues reinforces the idea in anti trans minds that me being trans is an act.
There are highly articulate trans people out there like Katy Montgomerie, Shon Faye & more who can properly represent trans people
Isn’t Divina non-binary?
@@willowtdog6449 they may be but the average person falling for Daily Fail headlines won't understand that nuance.
If Davina's being introduced as a drag queen then that's what average Joe public will latch onto which will feed into the already present anti trans bias.
I’m trans and a queen. I don’t think we should be making any compromises towards daily fail readers and we stumble into “pick me” territory when we say as trans people, that we don’t want queens representing us. We all share a common enemy and are fighting the same prejudices.
It's got nothing to do with "pick me", it's about sending clear, informative messages to counter the daily deluge of anti trans propaganda being pushed by pretty much all corners of UK media.
Section 28 & the years of anti gay propaganda leading up to it was bad, what's happening now is far worse (look for the report "Tip of the iceberg" to see the amount of right wing money being ploughed into the anti trans movement).
it says in the title "drag queen slams..." there's no mention there that they're trans.
I only learned that part when I read it in comments, it was pretty much glossed over & ignored for the entire video.
This isn't the first time Pol Joe has done this sort of thing.
When you're fighting a powerful propaganda machine you need to pay attention to it & ensure the rare times we get to speak that our messaging is crystal clear & not feeding into the propaganda.
I'm really sorry but the background noises, in these interviews, are really distracting and personally give me a headache 😢
i was just going to comment on that! so unprofessional
These were segments were taken from during the election night live stream so a lot of people in the room as part of a "special"
@@aaronmarsh4284 But these microphones can be regulated to the point you can suppress those noises quite well. I get that it might be a special night, but it was indeed quite distracting.
I love Davina and her advocacy on trans issues. However can't @PoliticsJOE scrape up an actual transperson to provide commentary on the trans culture war? You're weak here, @NovaraMedia have a trans journalist.
Ash Sarkar??
@@TheAArmstrong No bro Ash is not trans they have other female journalists lol
@@SquierMarr Just because she has a five o clock shadow, raised suspicion, I thought she might be a trans.
Helena @NoJusticeMTG
@@SquierMarr she is trans..
Has politicsjoe ever had an actual trans person on their show?
She identifies as Trans as well as a drag queen.
That’s a great point at the end. The NHS should just say “we’ll support you if you ever change your mind” rather than wasting years going “we need to make 100,000% sure you won’t change your mind”. Because that’s how we deal with issues with hip or knee surgery - contingent support plans, not trying to make sure only Truly Really Sure people get new hips.
Not to mention it's a fraction of a percent that change their mind, and those are nearly all due to external pressure and not being accepted.
It's my body, I know what I want and need to do to it. I don't need to be infantilised and have to prove myself.
@@Xentillus The general public really does not realise that it is quite literally low double digits in the UK, it's a fraction of a percent of a fraction of a percent of less than 1% of the population.
In a study of 3,398 trans patients under the NHS' care, only 0.09% (3 people) detransitioned with no intention to retransition. Of that 0.09% it is statistically unlikely that most had even begun medical transition yet (given how absurdly long it takes and difficult it is to be able to start it under the NHS), and had only undergone social transition, which is obviously entirely reversible.
The amount of permanent detransitioners, those who detransition because they aren't trans - rather than the overwhelming majority of detransitioners who do so only temporarily due to being forced to by transphobia in their living situations, who then go on to retransition later once safe - is vanishingly small (and I will add, should obviously be treated with all the care required to undo any medical transition in the case they've had any).
Alas, we have to pay the price instead by being forced to wait for near-decade waiting lists + years of jumping through ridiculous hoops to prove ourselves to access treatment so we can simply live our lives, just in case of a regret rate lower than literally every surgery there is. (Which I must add, leads to the deaths of trans kids/teens, stuck trying to get treatment).
@@treeaboo On top of all of this, trans people as a whole have a suicide rate considerably above the national base line. But when you break it down, all of that is concentrated in "trans people who are unable to transition or access the help they need". Post transition the rate is back down to baseline (or lower). We live in such a society that is so actively punishing and excluding us that people (including kids) are taking their own lives at an astonishing rate.
I consider myself so fortunate to have a support network and the funds to be able to access at least some private healthcare and therapy, I dread to think where my life would be in 6+ years on a waiting list with no help.
Trans people need to be given the right to express what they want to express the government needs to be on the side of trans people
Males aren't female, and males do not belong in female-only spaces or activities regardless of how they feel inside, how weak they are compared to other males etc. To support the erosion of all female sex-based rights and protections is blatant misogyny.
Divina the legend. Speaking truth that so many of us know but many don’t say on a public platform.
Please get Divina on again, absolutely amazing polticial commentary, so well informed, brilliantly explained and also pretty fabulous too 👏👏👏
I appreciate what she says. it would be nice for platforms like this to feature actual trans people talking about trans rights and their experiences, rather than drag artists, supportive as they are.
The way Trans people have been treated as of late is absolutely appalling. The LGBT community has existed for thousands of years across the world, in every civilisation since the birth of the homo-sapians (human species). They played an enormous part in many ancient civilisations. In fact homosexuality, asexuality, gender transition / dysphoria is common in pretty much most species that have ever existed since the planet earth was formed. Going back to the human species, in the western so called Christian world, boys wore pink and girls wore blue right up until the beginning of the 20th century. In fact the word boy meant servant. More importantly, boys were called naive-girls and girls were called gay-girls. As far as gender, masculinity, femininity in a social context there is no such thing, it doesn’t exist and every human in that sense is “fluid”. In short, equal rights are universal and we all need to come together and just live.
Males aren't female, and males do not belong in female-only spaces or activities regardless of how they feel inside, how weak they are compared to other males etc. To support the erosion of all female sex-based rights and protections is blatant misogyny.
its not a drag artiste that has made so many of us poorer , its not a drag artiste that has let society crumble into bleak austerity ,
so i dont have a problem with a human who chooses to wear a dress
Do you have any idea how offensive the "bloke in a dress" comment is?? Especially in a vlog about trans hate in politics!!
A bloke in a dress is not a trans woman. There's a whole world of difference.
@@sophiedolman2230 no but i donot find a bloke in a dress as offensive ,folk can wear whatever they like as far as im concerned , you should stop feeling threatened by it though
@@tomfinney3416 threatened by what??
@@sophiedolman2230 you found the phrase offensive it threatened you and your morality on trans gender , you even went full on exclamation marks lol , but its just a bloke in a dress granted he wears makeup , there really isnt anything offensive about me being literal
It amuses me that the most vocal pearl-clutchers are the same folks who grew up screaming with laughter at Larry Grayson and Gloria from It Ain't Half Hot Mum 😂😂😂
20 mins and the truth is spoken!
More trans talk, it never-ending
What a brilliant speaker.
Just thought I would take a look at politics joe I wasn't optimistic as my only reference was Ava Evans.
But I have to say it is like listening to students who never turned up for lectures. Almost every cliche was used up in the first 3 minutes.
I think I had a more adult view of the world when I was 12 years old.
I had to turn the sound down to complete this.
Truly painful.
First they came for trans, and I did not speak out-because I was not trans.
Then they came for the Drag Artists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Drag Artist.
Then they came for the LGBTQ+ and I did not speak out-because I was not LGBTQ+.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
......or something.
First they came for the "cis" white men, or was it the boomers?
Yes this is how it works exactly, and people don't understand.
All oppressions are connected.
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Who came for them and how did it manifest itself ?
What restrictions have been placed on you ?
@@dondoodat The same restirctions that have been places on the trans community...absolutly fucking none. However to many from other groups they are seen as the oppressor.
@@dondoodat The same restrictions that have been placed on Trans people....absolutely none.
Who came for them, the same boogeymen that comes for eveyone else apparently.
Who is that clown?
I’d vote for divina as a green candidate in a heartbeat!
Love divina ❤
I'm bored with this good bye.
2021 Census, 0.4% FFS.
The background talking is ruining this otherwise interesting discussion for me
awful sound, might as well listen to this on my phone while sat in a pub
ERM let trans people speak on trans issues???
All fine with other queer people giving an opinion but where are the trans voices also at the table. It’s so rude to just constantly cut a minority out of their own debate.
Love this. More of Divina please!
Love the podcast but the audio is sooooo distracting
This was during election night, that's why there's a lot of people in the studio behind the camera.
do we have to say slams?
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I love Divina. I met them for the first time at DragCon this year and had a great conversation about queer rights and the filthy tories.
This was a brilliant discussion, we need more like this. Perhaps get a gay MP and have a similar discussion, Wes Streeting ?. Well managed Ed.
Man I love Divina.
There won’t be any toilets 🚽 when the world is on fire 🔥 😂😂
Putin recently said - Do what you like, but keep away it away from the children.
Because he's a disingenuous PoS who has to create a false narrative.
@@django3422 Know him then? Or are you just following your average BBC 'Russia Are The Real Enemy!' rhetoric. Don't like the fact he hates child abusers? Mmmm.
@@django3422 I'm sorry, but my reply has been deleted. Your type are obviously being protected.
@@stevejones3868It wasn't deleted, just filtered. I can see it clearly.
No, I don't know Putin and I don't need to. He's been pushing the whole false narrative conflating LGBT people with child abusers for a long time, while never presenting any evidence that supports his claims. Quite the contrary, we know that children are at far greater risk from religious figures. He's just using identity politics.
No, I don't follow any BBC rhetoric. Russia has proven itself through its own actions. And "my type"? You assume a lot but clearly don't know anything.
Putin recently invaded Ukraine, fixed the Russian election, locked up hundreds of protestors and arranged convenient deaths off all his political opponents. Who care what he says.
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Any Prime Minister who uses his first speech in power to highlight that this parliament is the most LGBT representative parliament in the world but believes that Trans people shouldn’t use single sex spaces is no ally to any of us. Starmer uses Trans people to score capital over the Tories but then continues to punch down on a marginalised community.
That's a very odd characterisation of reality. What he said was trans women subject to abuse should be given their own safe space away from cis women in a woman's refuge centre.
It's a rather odd statement because women by default are in their own space in the refuge and don't have to mix with other women, regardless of any of them being trans or not.
It is you who are abusing trans women in order to have a pop at Starmer, which quite clearly makes you look far worse.
It's called projection, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
This is the same guy who flew to the states to personally apologise because he couldn't extradite an at risk autistic, starmer is no friend to any community he's a political chameleon he changes colour to suit his mood
@@badgers1975 All everyone hears is "wahh wahh Labour wahh!"...
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And the left has all the answers?! SMH.
The right are always wrong. It's their unique selling point, being completely incompetent, spiteful, intolerant and in almost all cases their IQ is insufficient for learning any new tasks or absorbing new information past the age of 14. They're like vegans in that they'll announce their low IQ in public every time they open their mouths. It really is quite remarkable. The modern day dunce hat wearer.
no, but they’ve got some answers and are at least putting some solutions out there. the right offers nothing
@aaabbc379 there you go then. Some answers is not good enough. Action speaks louder than words.
@@pjmlfc05 some answers is better than nothing. that should be obvious
@aaabbc379 not necessarily the right answer though are they? We don't need left or right, that is division. We need someone aligned to the middle.
So much for "politics for the many".
It's essential to protect minorities. Failure to protect minorities will ultimately lead to you losing your rights too. The precedent set by anti trans legislation in this country is leading to deaths of queer people not only here but overseas as well. It is also negatively impacting all patient rights in the NHS which could lead to dismissal of patient autonomy for under 25s on treatments that aren't trans related. There are organisations who have seen the recent legislation and want to apply it to birth control and abortion under 25. So yeah...
This channel got mush for brains... Everything what's going off in the country and this is the topic...
Because with everything going on in the country there are politicians suffering a massive brainrot and think that this is the more important issue to talk about.
There is now a person exposing the lies of the current political landscape, which is why that person is a guest and talking about this, and explaining why it's such a mess.
We saw the same in The Netherlands.
We have one of the worst housing crises ever, we are suffering the results of climate change, we are suffering a breakdown of healthcare due to staff shortages due to the administrative workload, low wages, we are seeing similar problems in education, we have an immigration crises.
(This last thing by the way being the result of our former right-leaning government continue to push the problem ahead of them for years).
But nope, at the 15th of February, within 1 month of forming a House of Representatives, a party decided to show who they think are causing the ACTUAL, REAL problems in The Netherlands.
They filed motions meant to target less then 0,000006% of the population EACH year.
Not to improve their lives, of course not: to bully them, and scare them. And of course it started with them worrying about the safety of transchildren...
Its not like this is the only topic this channel is covering.
How about getting an actual trans person on to talk about trans stuff? Just a thought 🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️
Divina uses she/her pronouns, as far as I know, even when she’s not “dressed up”.
That’s a valid GQ/NB/bigender/androgyne experience (haven’t looked into the word she prefers) and isn’t any less trans.
Now, would I love to see an even wider range of trans people come on? Absolutely. We should have an all-trans podcast with 3-4 trans panellists (including the host)!
Journalists cannot force anyone to talk publicly about any subject, especially when the English public is full of haters on all sides of the political abyss. Divina is a heroine.
Hi. I am part of the trans family. X
@@DivinaDeCampoTV oh excellent, you have your own channel! Please let me know if you’d like me to amend my comment in any way x
@@DivinaDeCampoTV There is no trans comminuity or lgbtq community for that matter , its just people believing they can speak on behalf certain self imposed paramaters, if it were to exist it would also include Douglas Murray and Ariel Pink. Unless they are tthe wrong "type" of alphabet people.
At least get Posy Parker on to counter this rhetoric, as a balanced perspective.
You'd need to find an anti-trans voice that doesn't have strong links to white supremacists.
@@django3422 why is that? to fit into what you percieve as acceptable speech?
@@firestarter1888 Call me weird, I don't think it's good to platform white supremacists. Why, do you?
@@django3422You seem to miss the whole point of living in a democratic country.
@@firestarter1888 Democracy means governance by representation. What about that means we should platform white supremacists? And do you agree with platforming white supremacist views?
Two points:
I always respond to questions about me being trans in terms if race.
If we look at "Gender critical views" in terms if race, people stop asking because it looks racist.
"So what do you think of gender critical people?"
"I have no views on Race Critical people."
"No, I'm talking about the transgenders."
"Sorry, I'm not a PoC so can't speak for the black community."
Bigotry against trans people is only slightly off from being racist, antisemitism, ableism, etc.
Second point: please someone stop her laughing!
@@StephMcAlea Agreed on both counts! 😄
Trans are the thin end of the gay wedge, the gay are the thin end of all the other wedges....
Your comment is the thin end of a wedge.
I sense the longer it goes on the thicker it'll get.
@@dondoodat 😂
For balance, it's worth noting that the assertions of this being "fearmongering", "a non issue" and "just culture war" are being made without a single female person in the room.
For balance, it is factually correct. As it is factually correct that most cis women aren't anti-trans, that cis lesbians are the most trans-friendly demographic, and that cis straight men are the most transphobic demographic by far.
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reform talk about country interest.... this man talk about his rights interest😂😂😂😂which one is more important
Individual liberty is always top of the list of the national interest.
The what is a woman question is actually super easy its a woman is a person that identifies with the social schema on female.
It's even easier than that. A woman is an adult, human female.
@@imnottellingyoumyname3050 Define all three of those terms?
Don't worry, Starmer will legislate to control our thoughts, and so bad words can't hurt you.
Awww did the fact that some people like to dress different hurt your feelings little human?
You're in a small minority yourself, in that you can't control your offensive behaviour and so legislation is required in order to control you where your parents never did.
It's also interesting that people such as yourself have an obsession with little boys in dresses. You're going to end up on a watch list if you're not already on one.
@@lazorr3260That's not why im annoyed. You are asking me to accept a lie. And if I don't go along with the lie I could potentially find myself in jail. Wear what you want, I would say its none of my business. But these people insist on making it my business.
@@jim-es8qk how?
@@lazorr3260A woman can't have a penis. It's a lie. In alot of people's mind that is what the debate is about. The quest for the truth and freedom of speech.
I have never heard as much bollocks in my life. This is definitely a fraud.
Nobody cares about this apart from the two people it applies too. Stop it. Get some help.
Many people do, including people hostile to Trans people. You do too, or you wouldn’t be throwing invectives about ‘get help’.