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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- Hello fans of Epic! I'm new to the fandom and this is my FIRST EVER animatic, I hope I did it justice, it's my favorite song from Thunder Saga!
Original song by JORGE RIVERA-HERRANS
Illustration by JOANA FRAGA
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Video editing by CLARA FRAGA
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I lost it the moment the sirens checked on her nails while he was explaining the story 😭 it just showed how bored she was
OMG YOU NOTICEEED~
Penesiren: Wow........ really?...... That's crazy......
I fucking died when I saw it😂
Sirenelope really said "ok🥱💅🏼"
@@beatricegurrobat7846 fr like bro was not listening whatsoever
Penelosiren: 🙄💅 why is my food still yapping??
HOLY COW, the way she's only penelope when he's looking at her and then shifts partway between them when ready to attack is GENIUS???
Wow I didnt even consider it that way, but I love your way of thinking! Makes the animatic way cooler.
It is a genius idea.....it's just....he does say he reads her lips for information because his ears are full of wachs so I feel he would not turn his back so he did not miss anything.
@@TimeLady128 that's a good point, but the moments he's looking away for are parts where siren Penelope is just trying to get him to enter the water, when he asks the all important question he's focused on her, so it might be that for those parts he knew she wouldn't be saying anything important on how to get home, so it would be safe to not read her lips, he'd just miss an excuse on why he should jump into the water
I like your idea that Odysseus has Eurylochus lying in wait.
And he holds the siren so she stops moving for an easier shot.
Meanwhile the dude had to watch his captain flirt with the Siren, kinda awkwardly.
Don't mind me as I pick my jaw up off the floor? OG/true sirens? With the flips between the disguise and true form? Her slowly losing it because Odysseus is a smug lil guy?
The lair of Scylla is so clean--using a vase to depict the "hypothetical", and then showing the doom lying ahead.
Dude. This is just amazing. I could go on for ages about every little detail.
I am so glad you like it!!
Its true that sirens have wings but they dont have feet. they still have the fish tails like mermaids do (but mermaids dont have wings). the creatures here are depicted like harpies (which is fine i just wanted to clarify)
@@ProNoob-re1sh Where's the feet? Because after all the very next song is about cutting off their tails
Saying OG/true sirens also isn't true, because fish/underwater sirens are also OG/true sirens, even if not in Greek mythology, but they also belong to very famous folklore and legends, even if they don't originate from that culture specificaly, and also are the ones expanded around the entire world and as such most widely known and recognized, not like the other ones, and to be honest I also prefer the underwater ones, probably also because for me they are the true sirens, I find them cooler and I've had far more contact with them as sirens and seen them many times in many different settings and stories, we also have harpies as widely known creatures in folklore and legends, and they are very similar to the greek sirens and would confound a lot
@@ProNoob-re1sh the pure bird sirens are also a thing ❤️❤️ I love them!
Oh man, I love the Vase as Ody is explaining his predicament- inspired thinking!
It was such fun to draw it!!
That part remember me from disney's Hercules
Yes I forgot to mention this in my comment!!! it was so great!!
@@ren1troalso God of War 3
@@benlewis4241 I love this detail too!!
Everyone else I've seen has Ody shooting the siren, but I think the interpretation of him inviting her onto the ship and her accepting only for him to lift her into a position for his crew to shoot her (since they've been hunting the other ones anyway) is a neat portrayal!
Thanks!
Biblically accurate sirens, yay
@@omarsalem1219 I had to defend my beloved bird sirens 🤣
@@joanacchihow does that translate to different beast though? Ody explecitly says underwater
@@CaptainPoseidon282 ducks
EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. AS A GREEK I APPROVE.
Finally. They always interpret sirens as mermaids but sirens and mermaids are two different creatures
why you have to make them so look fuckin hot and like they're actual ancient greek heroes, HOW DARE YOUU 😭😭
REAL like ugh look at Penelope and odys POSE? I’m floored
OK, I just wanna say I like how they are. The birds sirens that they were used to be drawn as but also kind of still connected to the sirens that we know that have tails and that are connected to the water that is very amazing
Thank you so much!! I didnt want to lose much of the connection to the water since it was Jay's original intention to portray fish sirens ❤️❤️
EXTREMELY refreshing to see Sirens displayed as birds properly. I UNDERSTAND why (Rivera-Herrans and?) fandom went for a mermaid-esque display, it's a common interpretation among other things, but I have been Dying A Little Inside because Sirens and Harpies are some of my favorite classical Greek monsters and Sirens have their own included tragedy of literally having to die if someone heard their prophecies and didn't throw themselves into the waves with madness.
Idk, it's refreshing. Love me a bird monster. I also do adore the entire vase display, from the artstyle to the portrayal of Poseidon to the Siren just examining her nails, very Bored. "Oh nooooo." And the last couple seconds before the arrow flies are. It's a very good shot. Here eyes out of the camera. Odysseus looks at the audience but actually he's looking at Eurelacus. (Also it's just hot. Girl ur strap is slippin. Girl we can see ur bra strap. Oh no she has beeswax in she cant hear us-)
also, 2:09, Odysseus pushing his hair back and looking at the camera all sultry, I literally said out loud, "slut", so, good job, really captured his energy.
(I really hope these jokes do land, but honestly, great job altogether!)
Hahaha thank you so much for taking the time detailing your reactions, that means a lot to me!!! Thank you
Little piece if trivia I think you'd like then is that in act one of Balder's Gate 3 (a dnd video game released last year) you have to fight a group of sirens and they are also bird women.
This deserves 1M views, biblically accurate* sirens are * *chef kiss* *. I love the way you draw fake Penelope's robes, looks so fluid 10/10
Thanks so much!! I am glad you enjoyed it
Sirens do have wings but they also have fish tails. the creatures here are depicted as harpies (whis is totally fine i just felt the need to clarify)
@@ProNoob-re1shin the og myth, Demeter gave them bird features
@@ProNoob-re1sh Where did you hear that?
@@kaykay8855 While true, the very next song explicitly states that they are going to cut off the sirens' tails. So they do still need to have the fish tail.
Accurate bird sirens, the vase when he explains the Poseidon situation (while Sirenelope is just utterly bored, checking her nails), the image of Scylla in the water!!, and how the siren is showing her true face whenever Ody isn't looking at her?? There are so many things I LOVE about this and your art style is gorgeous! Well done! ♥
these are depicted as harpies not sirens. sirens have the wings but not feet (they have tails like mermaids).
This is beYOND GOOD. Mr Jalapeño please notice this 🙏🏻🥹
Thanks so much!!!
@@joanacchiKEEP UP THE GOOD WORK LOVELY!!! looking forward to your future projects!!!! 🥰❤️
I love the idea that Eurylochus shot the siren. Also biblically accurate sirens????? I love this
OH MY GOSHSHH THE GREEK VASE WHERE ODY IS EXPLAINING WHATS HAPPENED SO FAR IS SUCH A GREAT IDEA, i love this sm ahhh
love the detail of Odysseus sweating, he knows that not his wife, but a hideouse monster but he got to pretend he is charmed perfectly or it can end bad
Sirens are made so CREEPY, and stunning at the same time ?!
Odysseus' smug face is killing me (in a good way)
This is definitely deserves like.
ACCURATE SIRENS! 0:16
Siren: “~Come and play with our daughter~!”
Odysseus: *No, look, I was...Wait a minute. Penelope would never say that* (Ice Age 4)
Odysseus‘ hair tuck being a universally agreed on feature amongst Epic artists for Suffering is so funny to me, but this particular design doing it? Shambles, maniacally cackling and kicking my legs like Ody seein his wife again
So happy to see someone depict the sirens as the bird women they truly are
I wonder if the sirens turned this violent and sadistic due to distance from their original lady, Persephone, when she was still known as Kore.
She is the goddess of spring after all. And you know what spring is associated with. But when Hades took Kore, she matured into Persephone, breaking Demeter's heart at the same time, who could never let her daughter experience the world. Do you think the emotional state of their original mistresses could have corrupted them somehow ? Like some sort of emotional sickness ?
Im not sure anyone can reach THAT level of cooking. Biblically accurate Sirens, banger artstile, "animation", poses, imagery, and a god damn ancient greek stile amphora - this animatic is a blessing!
NO BUT I LOVE YOUR REALISTIC YET NOT TOO REALISTIC ARTSTYLE AND INTERPRETATION OF SIRENS (they’re so creepily accurate what)
Actual Greek sirens! So excited to see them represented! And I love that she partially reverts to her real form whenever Odysseus looks away from her!
The sirens are so creepy I love it!!
0:52 I can’t…. The hand
You’re the first artist I’ve seen to keep the sirens as birds. Also your Odysseus is hot and awakening things in me so thanks for that
Glad you like them! ❤️❤️
This style is so amazing!❤ I like how Odysseus looks so smug😂
@@Tamattuta thanks so much!!
I like to think Odysseus has constructed a subtle yet elaborate system of mirrors off-screen to read her lips while he's looking away
I LOVE that the sirens are portrayed accurately here. Also a nice detail of showing her subtly showing her real form.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who mentally visualized him holding the siren at the "things I do for you" part so she'd get shot by someone else
Partly because it makes sense with the "you should come onto the ship" line, but also because, headcannon, I like to think Ody can't shoot Penelope. Even when he knows she's fake, he can't bring himself to do it
Okay, this is already very unique. I really really love the depiction of the siren being a bird lady like how they were first depicted in Greek mythology also that ending I have to rewatch it again but was that Eurylochus with the bow?
It is!! I always imagined that it was Eurylochus or another soldier that took the shot while Ody seduced the hell out of that mermaid hahaha
@@joanacchi I love it! That's very different from the others it really makes it stand out
The subtitles in the official song said "Ahh... The things I'll do for you..." (Odysseus prepares his bow)
However it kinda makes more sense the one shooting was another soldier If we assume the Syren actually walked into the ship. Plus, in the original myth, Odysseus was body tied to the mast.
@@mado-wh4jv Yes he was and in the original version he did not have his ears filled with beeswax. Only the crew did. In fact he wanted to hear the siren song
Nice to see bird sirens
Love the the accurate sirens. It's super refreshing to see, even if it doesn't meat the interpretation that Jorge Rivera-Herrans had.
But that animation on the vase using red-figure, classic Greek styled art tickled me so much to see! It was a fantastic detail to add in and made this animatic such a treat on top of already a strikingly beautiful art style and the shifting of "Penelope".
I hope we in the EPIC fandom see more from you in the future! ♥
OMFG!!!!!! I love this fresh take!
This is the first time I'm seeing sirens as birds rather than mermaids. What I REALLY love is how Sirenelope isn't hiding how out of place the glamour is or how sinister her intentions really are.
This may be weird to say about a mythical creature, but not hiding the fact that she's walking on water, jumping on the ship and off, and lets the glamour drop so close to Ody is actually more realistic since they wouldn't have to work that hard to conceal their true intentions if their power was really working.
Also, thank you for showing the arrow. You caught the whiplash mood change perfectly. I knew it was coming and still jumped when it happened.
Standing ovation. Excellent work!
I think I read somewhere that the Sirens were actually cursed creatures that would sing prophesies that drove anybody who heard them to throw themselves into the water in a fit of insanity. But there was a flip side, because if a victim didn't drown themselves, the sirens would die instead. So technically, Odysseus really didnt need to kill them all. They would have died as long as he didnt kill himself. Then again, Odysseus has beeswax in his ears in this version, so maybe he did need to do it.
Odysseus looks like he is depicted in busts and the rest? Love me some mythical accuracy. Not to discredit the rest of the amazing artist, but this one is my fav interpretation of Suffering thus far. Now give us different beast and do all of us a favor. Do not hold back on the visuals.
Your FIRST EVER animatic??? oh my GOD you are so good!!! I'd definitely watch more of your work if you decided to make more animatics
Thank you so much for the support!!!
I love how the siren was like "well you asked and now you know😒"
1:19 THE VASE ROTATING IS SO COOL OMG
FINALLY!! accurate sirens!!!! beautifully done!! I can hardly believe it's your first ever animatic with how smooth the transitions and placements are!
I wonder if the sirens turned this violent and sadistic due to distance from their original lady, Persephone, when she was still known as Kore.
She is the goddess of spring after all. And you know what spring is associated with. But when Hades took Kore, she matured into Persephone, breaking Demeter's heart at the same time, who could never let her daughter experience the world. Do you think the emotional state of their original mistresses could have corrupted them somehow ? Like some sort of emotional sickness ?
I just adore the vase to visualize Ody's situation, especially since they are used to depict Greek stories. Amazing work!
love the acurate siren design, the vase, and the way she switches into such an uncanny creature whenever he looks away. def one of my favorite animations for this song so far!
omg the level of detail???? this is gorgeous
Easiest subscription ever!! Your entire style and character designs are incredible. That Lair of Scylla scene too.. oh my days!!! 😲👏
Thanks so much for the support!!
OMG I love everything about this! The original bird-like sirens, the little transformations whenever he looked away/she started getting impatient. The way he pulled her up from the water at the end just for Eurylocus to shoot her. I love it!!!!! OMG
So amazing!! The scene where the siren turns into Penelope with those water swirls *chef kiss*. Love how the siren’s monster/true self surfaces when Odysseus isn’t looking. And her taking her claws/fingers through the water - such a great visual! Odysseus’ “too shy” behavior made me laugh, and he had a great side eye at the end lol (his signal to Eurylocus, I’m guessing?). His causal lounge against the ship rails and his momentary recoil when the siren came closer - so good! It was obvious that the siren was getting impatient/annoyed the whole time, super amazing job depicting all these details!! ALSO love the use of the Grecian urn!
This was amazing! If this is your first animatic ever then this is extremely impressive!! You should be proud of yourself!
Now onto the animatic itself, I love how you draw Ody's physicality especially how he used his arms to seem casual and relaxed but the constant juxtaposing of his muscles remind us he's probably ready to fight back and/or ready to resist the Siren physically. Also the style lends itself very well with ancient greek aesthetics, like what you did with the vase. Also that transition from the Siren tracing water into a very creepy inky Scylla? Awesome. Chills.
Also love how you have Eurylochus shoot the Siren, I don't often see artists give the arrow shot to other crewmates, and this makes the end of the song gain a new interpretation. Lastly, I love how we can clearly see how much Ody misses Penelope where he's indulging in looking at the siren because he knows this is the only visage of his wife he'll really get for a while AND it's been 'twelve years or so' since he's seen an image of her.
Great job!!!!
Thank you so much, that means a lot to me!!
THE BIRD SIRENS, THANK YOU !
I really like the others versions bc people have such interesting ways to use their creativity for this musical. But I am so happy to see the greek sirens and how you create interesting and creative ways to use greek mythology (the vase I am screaming) for your animatic. The end with Eurylochus is *chief kiss* and all the art is beautiful
Woah! Love the major shifts of the siren as Odysseus isn't looking, as well as the subtle details even when he is! The vase work was incredible!
Oh I love the vase section it was perfect
I love the vase effect describing the story, and the flickering of the siren. I love the way she struggles to hide her form, as though the intended seduction is using too much magic for her illusion as Penelope. I had to laugh as she checked her nails and a bored "oh no..."😂
I loved Odysseus’s question being represented through the decor on a vase and the way he kept posing like he didn’t have a care in the world while the siren became monstrous when he didn’t watch. There were so many clever artistic choices in this and it was beautifully drawn.
YOOOO THE FUCKING BEGINNING??? ITS SO SMOOTH, I HADN’T EVEN WATCHED THE WHOLE ANIMATIC YET AND I KNOW THAT ILL LOVE THIS MASTERPIECE‼️‼️❤️❤️
Oh ho, yeah. The siren's being both birds and also connected to the water, mixing ancient and modern versions of them. Also, beefy Odysseus yay. 😍 One of my favorite animatics so far.
“Cut off their tails, let them drown”
This bird version of the siren: 👁️👄👁️
@@eddyrusso3182 birds need their tail to fly tho 🤣 I'm counting on that for the next part lmaooo
Love this!!! Biblically accurate Bird sirens, dad bod Odysseus, the Disney Hercules-esque Ancient Greek pottery used for exposition.... just pure perfection!!!!! The fact these sirens can shapeshift also reminds me of the Sirens from "Ice Age 4"
I wonder if the sirens turned this violent and sadistic due to distance from their original lady, Persephone, when she was still known as Kore.
She is the goddess of spring after all. And you know what spring is associated with. But when Hades took Kore, she matured into Persephone, breaking Demeter's heart at the same time, who could never let her daughter experience the world. Do you think the emotional state of their original mistresses could have corrupted them somehow ? Like some sort of emotional sickness ?
@@JabamiLain Oooohhhh good point!
ooooo theres such a lovely oily flow to the designs, like how greek characters would be portrayed in renaissance art. I love the interpretation of Odysseus pulling the Penelope-Siren onto the ship, as if *he's* truly the murderous seductress
1:50 👏👏👏CONGRATULATIONS THAT'S THE SCARIEST THING I'VE SEEN ALL MONTH HOLY FECK 👏👏👏
Actual siren let's go! :D
Finally the real sirens thank you i love it😢❤
I wonder if the sirens turned this violent and sadistic due to distance from their original lady, Persephone, when she was still known as Kore.
She is the goddess of spring after all. And you know what spring is associated with. But when Hades took Kore, she matured into Persephone, breaking Demeter's heart at the same time, who could never let her daughter experience the world. Do you think the emotional state of their original mistresses could have corrupted them somehow ? Like some sort of emotional sickness ?
Adore the way you show the siren switching between the form of Penelope and her true form. It’s like when we see Penelope, we’re looking through Odysseus’s eyes and when we see the siren it’s through OUR eyes. Also adore the single from where it’s dark and you see only the siren’s eyes and teeth. The last part with the siren being lured ONTO the ship is such a nice ending too
I love how you made the sirens biblically accurate! They looked more terrifying
🦅🦅🦅
“I know on those rocks there are flocks of you kidding!”
“Cut of there wings let them drown!”
Love the sirens, gorgeous animatic!!
YOU ACTUALLY DID THE BIRDS!!!! And how you integrated the design into the song is just *chef's kiss*
Love that the hair blows differently against the Siren and Ody's hair, signaling that something is very unnatural in the moment.
_omg_ the beginning with the og siren look and then turning into penelope transition was so good! 😩💕
I FINALLY FOUND SOME MYTHOLOGICAL-ACCURATE SIRENS
THIS EATS
Hahah thanks!
The way my jaw dropped when I saw your siren design!🙀
So good!
"First ever animatic", and in the same breath, produced the most breathtakingly detailed and gorgeous rendition of this song I've seen yet. Phenomenal work, I'll also be checking out your other art thanks to this masterpiece! 💘
Thank you so much! I intend to do more stuff for this fandom for sure ❤
The shifting back and forth was brilliant
1:56 JESUS MAN this is going to get me nightmares for the next years ngl 💀
like the Greek Mythical accurate Sirens. They are closer to Harpies then mermaids in the classic Greek myths
Oh Odysseus the fine man that you are. The art style is so good btw, I love it, this video is beautiful 🫶😭
This is by far my favorite animatic of suffering. The details here are IMMACULATE!! From the accurate depiction of sirens, how she's only her when Ody is looking, "Penolope's" true form peeking out every so often (the fangs, feathers, or claws) the siren's disinterest at his story, and the overall smoothness and wonderful art style. This is truly a wonderful video and it deserves far more recognition!
Finally someone drew the ship right
POV: We're sirens but our lunch keeps yapping
BIRD SIRENS OMG thank you for this animatic, I've been waiting for historically accurate sirens!!
I wonder if the sirens turned this violent and sadistic due to distance from their original lady, Persephone, when she was still known as Kore.
She is the goddess of spring after all. And you know what spring is associated with. But when Hades took Kore, she matured into Persephone, breaking Demeter's heart at the same time, who could never let her daughter experience the world. Do you think the emotional state of their original mistresses could have corrupted them somehow ? Like some sort of emotional sickness ?
The recounting by vase was inspired, and I really love that Odysseus gave the job of shooting the siren to Eurylochus, it just heightens the later betrayal so much when they clearly depend on each other here.
HOLY TRUFFLE MAC AND CHEESE
I love just about everything, but i especially loved Eurylochus being the one to strike the Siren with a bow. I don't think I've seen that before, and it's such a cool idea asdfghjkl
This is impressive, and that it's your first ever animatic makes it even more so. You definitely have talent with both drawing and storytelling.
The vase explanation was a cool moment, which I haven't seen anyone else do with this song.
I like that Ody sirens the siren onto the ship. I think it underlines his "epic" tricksy-ness, echoing back to other moments, like when he calls himself "nobody" earlier with Polyphemus. Some people animate that he sirens her, but not commonly. I like to see it tho! And then you did it uniquely: him pulling her up. I haven't seen that before, and it was fantastic. After all, "Suffering" is a tug-of-war for survival, and then Ody literally wins with a final pull that makes her move toward him? Good stuff! Afterward, the teamwork there with Eury? An extra *chef's kiss*! I like moments when their friendship is underlined, because I think it enhances the characters, their decisions, and the emotional weight of what eventually happens. So yeah, really nice art, and cool scenes that complement the narrative!
Thank you so much for taking the time and comment what you liked about it! It means a lot, I appreciate the support ❤
WOAH I love the sirens’ design, Ody’s expressions and the vase is such a cool idea!!
godddd i can only repeat what everyones says: the tf, the birds, the vase, the scylla shadow... damn. i really love this
This might just be my favorite design for Odysseus! I can't wait to see you animate Scylla.
Your style is really cool! This is definitely a different take from the other animatics I’ve seen. It has a slight horror element to it that I think is really interesting. Great work!
You did more than justice. The sirens being "harpies" because that was what they'd looked like originally. The breaks in "Penelope's" visage. The anatomy of everybody. The posing. The composition. Simply spectacular.
ACCURATE SIRENS!?
BEAUTIFUL ART!?
UNDERRATED!?
EXCUSE ME!?!?!?
Hahaha thanks so much!!! I am enjoying everyone's reactions ❤️
out of all the ones ive watched so far i like yours the most. keeping it simple yet complex. i think so far your the only one whos really portrayed just how vicious and hungry the sirens are! this is amazing!
Omg the VASE, is an absolute GOLDEN move on your creativity. It brought back like Hercules vibes with the vases. That is such an amazing concept
YOU DON'T GET HOW MUCH I CRIED AFTER SEEING THE SIRENS HAVE WINGS OMG!!! SLAY!!! THANK YOU!!! FOREVER POP OFF!!!
Ok, I must have seen half a dozen aninatics of Suffering or so, but this is by far the best one. Very well done!
Finally! Bird Sirens! Love her design! Also, the back and forth as she's trying to convince Odysseus to do as she pleases while trying to hold herself back from just outright killing him with a swipe of her claws. And I really liked the usage of pottery images for the "Let's say" part.
I love how you drew the sirens as how they were described in the myths, many people (me included for the LONGEST time) always thought they were mermaid like creatures.
I like how you managed to incorporate both accurate sirens and the water connection with the transformarion. Incredible Odysseus design as well and I love the vase segment.
GOOD ATTENTION TO DETAIL! The fact she only changes when he looks directly at her! Her siren form being the original greek mythos form! Ah! Not to mention, it's just gorgeous, I love how you drew everyone, you put in so much effort, great job
Thank you so much that means a lot! 😂❤
I've seen so many animatics of this song by this point, and one thing I love about this one over all the others is the "let's say I was on the run, or hiding" bit, because most other people turn it into more simple or childish line art to demonstrate that it's a story, but you putting it on an urn was so cool. Very Greek/Greek Mythology.
Finally mythologically accurate bird sirens! Awesome work!
I love how buff this Odysseus is buff (or well, it comes more across in this art style than in some other animatics I have seen)! It makes all the 'Oh I am too shy and afraid of the water' lines even funnier.
And that we see the true form of the siren, when he isn't looking is AMAZING!
Literaly happy screamed seeing that siren transformation
The vase telling the story was GENIUS