You have to play Lee like that in Tekken 8. Even FightingGM said his biggest weakness in Tekken 8 is that he isn't constantly keeping pressure up. You just take it up the ass in Tekken 8 if you try to play defensively and for counter hits.
Nah, this works up until Tekken King, but then you're just rolling the dice, because Lee still risks everything for those moves. If you wanna consistently win after that, you gotta play Legacy Lee too.
@@Boss-_ Tekken king means nothing in this game. hardstuck fujin in t7 get it easily . Also fightingGM is literally the most optimal and best player with lee out there. he beat JDCR , knee , arslan in the past and in tournaments as well and sets
Yeah because everyone has potential for brainrot rush down with their poking, one of the many weaknesses Kaz has in T8. But you can play braindead with any character, true.
The point was about becoming a better Tekken player. Learn to be a proper Lee player who can handle Tekken well and then add the braindead T8 stuff ontop of that. If you only rely on the most op bullshit the game has to offer, you never learned how to properly play the game/character and engage with the combat on a different level.
Plus, what are you going to do when the op bs gets inevitably nerfed? Uninstall the game lol? Me personally, at some point when the game gets balanced properly, the devs needs to reset everybody's rank from the beginning. I promise you that there will be a lot of Tekken kings stuck in red ranks.
i feel like ive been playing brain rot lee more because of the game surrounding him more than what tekken 8 has given him, its so hard to space when all these characters have crazy reach and armored heat engagers, and your fast (non-while standing) punish tools are heat engagers now that force you into your their face and it feels like your being forced into becoming a pressure mixing style, the spacing/timing lee playstyle feels more invalided by the game
That and just going for a WR3, 4 when you've got distance, they're low on health, and you can jump over the Rage Art, or just get caught in it. It's not brain rot, it's called being...STYLISH.
It's not easy to do optimal punishment without tons of knowlegde and muscle memory, everyone has a quick punnish reaction like mishimas doing 1,1,2 or jins doing ws2 every time they block a low. Many people use quick punishes to get out of preasure which is indeed a brainrot and a bad habit. At least if you identify a move that is punishable and try to willingly punish it, I say it's a step in the right direction.
I should honestly stop punishing everything with acid rain with Lee. T7 habit. Unsure of frame adv -> ehh just 10f then. Lee's 10f is strong after all.
So you are saying they play like avearage kazuyas in ranked ? (GM made a video about why lee offense is more intelligent than any other characters in this game) and he is right by t8 standards he takes more risk than anyone for simple plus frames
I disagree here TMM.. Mastering T7 Lee playstyle is damn near irrelevant in Tekken 8. This game is literally "Pick your braindead". So in a game where everyone is pressing buttons with no patience, Lee has no choice but to be more aggressive. Anything negative you say about Lee players can also be said about 90% of the roster.
It's kinda hard to keep out when every character has insane reach and heat sht tracks, I rlly liked playing Asuka in 7 and whiff punish stuff with F2 it just felt so satisfying like i actually spaced it or timed it properly, but now i barely ever feel like ppl whiff, or they just power crush heat engager my keep out tehe
I don’t understand main man’s take. As a Lee main, if you play tekken 7 Lee, you will just lose. I understand main man wants people to lose to learn, but the majority of the casual player base just wants to have fun. Yes, timing is important, but if you “fall back” and play a counter hit play style like t7, the amount of power crushes, plus frames, neutral breaking moves, and strong low pokes from other characters will just steam roll you, regardless of your strong counter hit tools. Tekken 8 rewards getting YOUR offense started and steamrolling your opponent with frames and damage. IT WAS DESIGNED THIS WAY!!! I understand if you don’t like it, but it’s literally the goal of the developers. They gave Lee b33 not because they think lee is cute or something, but because they WANTED HIM TO USE IT! they want lee to be another character who piles on frames and can have unga offense, because that’s how they want (most) of their characters! Like I said, I understand if you don’t like it, but giving Lee great lows with great frames and still keeping his strong df1 and wr34 and ff3 as a heat engager SCREAMS to the playerbase that they want lee to have offensive tools the same way that modern tekken characters have. Also, I do ENJOY tekken 8 lee more than tekken 7. You may not, and that’s ok. But to say that you have to play lee like tekken 7 lee is just main man disagreeing with the design philosophy of tekken 8, which is completely fine but will just lead to lee players losing more. Are the fundamentals of t7 lee players better than t8 lee players? Yes, but that could be said across the board with this game. People can climb to high ranks with dog shit defense, it’s just how it is. Now is The perfect lee a Lee who understands the strength of his counters and timing combined with unga offense? Sure. But the game doesn’t care, and frankly more people will have more fun playing Lee unga than not. Mainman’s main gripe seems to me that lee used to be an enthusiast expert characters, but now he’s been tarnished to a brainrot unga character who’s players don’t appreciate nor utilize his defense. I agree this is sad, but it’s what bamco wanted.
This feels like elitist talk, and im not disagreeing with you, but if the game allows this playstyle , and the game doesnt give you enough space and room to play defensively.. why should i bother.. change the game system
@@Fleez311i would agree but in higher ranks, we demolish the unga Lees. i think he is mainly addressing beginner intermediate and when they get to high ranks they are complacent
To be honest, 99% of ranked players don’t respect pressure or spacing with how strong power crush/ heat burst are. I’m a legacy lee player myself I always try to play like a T7 Lee only to get slapped by a 15 frame heat engager power crush into a wall explosion~ ggs
@@Brainzzz123no he is not. Lee in Tekken 8 is just lee in Tekken 8. He is one of the few characters that aren't brainrot. Like victor, raven, Reina, hwoarang, azucena, yoshimitsu, Feng, Nina, Lili etc...
I saw a clip where he says that if you’re relying on b3,3 as your only offensive option then you’re not playing Lee properly, or something like that. Knowing that made a big difference in the way I play Lee altogether
Indeed. T8 is entertainment. I personally derive my fun from improvement, not ranks nor something else. Well some days I just want to see people deal with Feng/Lars bullshit but most of the time I'm playing legacy Lee/Steve. I believe MainMan wants to foster an audience that does derive their fun from improvement and then everyone else can just hang out I guess.
Tekken is changing. If this patch doesn't do its job, spam and scrub play is going to end up being the most viable "getting better" playstyle. The problem is he's calling the hyper aggressive playstyle brain rot when spam is what the game is practically DESIGNED AROUND. This isn't Tekken 7 anymore.
I disagree. I tried playing "Tekken 7 Lee", for the first month of Tekken 8 and its just not the same due to the overall aggressive offense-oriented gameplay of the game. It genuinely makes no sense to play Lee how TheMainMan suggests. Yeah, let me sit back and play defensively and "find timings" and "spacing" and whatever other key words he wants to throw out, while Hwoarang, Alisa, and Raven delete half my health bar for blocking, Kuma, Panda, Feng, and Asuka gimmick the shit out of me with guard breaks and unblockables, and Kazuya, Dragunov, and King mix me endlessly with oki and grabs. Don't get me wrong, Lee is amazing in Tekken 8 and with a few tweaks to weird hitboxes (Harada pls), he would be perfect, but let's not act like all Lee players suddenly acquired brainrot out of nowhere, when pretty much every character in the game has some form of overly aggressive pressure.
Bro. I played Lee like in T7 and I got steamrolled. Just yesterday. I was kinda hating the T8 setups and flow charts. Decided to play my T7 way, ultra defensive, punishment, reads and CH occasional with some high octane execution bits. I lost two rounds to a Jim spamming safe strings and his heat burst, rage art bait cause yes those two just have to do that much damage (I can already hear someone go, "Your fault for falling for it." Even if you know it's coming don't forget you also have to constantly watch out for the lows and chip so waiting it out kills you also). I turned on unga bunga. And won the set. For a sec I went, "Mh! So brainrot = win? So why torture myself to lose right now?"
@@Kenkyou_Nogata sounds about right haha all the characters have too much bullshit to try and read and play defensively against. Hopefully this next patch slows down the pace a bit
The beauty of Tekken is that characters don't "need" to play in any particular way to be successful. You can see 3 top players using 1 character and they all have different styles and move selection. It's what makes the game great.
@@echo8168ehhh to a degree, hwroang players do the same thing they all do, Kazuya players always use the heat smash advance attacks, Reina players are all aggressive and will rush you into a grapple lolol. Etc etc
@@GrogedUp I’m not even in garyu, and don’t know what that has to do with players doing the same strings they see from other players lol. I guess not all kings grapple then??? When 95% will try to do atleast 1 chain grapple or spin throw into wall☠️☠️☠️
Yep, works great. TMM is addressing that he wants more people to spend the extra effort to up their play. If you can get a 60% winrate with [tier 1] effort than why not go for a 70% winrate with [tier 3] effort. Lee is a character that can heavily punish people for needlessly pressing buttons, and what does your average T8 player with their character want to do? T8 lazy aggresive Lee is somewhat effective and very easy. T8 demanding defensive Lee is very effective but very hard.
I feel like much of the same can be said for other characters, it feels like they want every character to have T8 flavored gameplay, even if it goes against the playstyle the character was designed for.
It helps you improve as a player in the long run trust me I said the same thing as well back in tekken 7 and it made me a worse player and made me quit tekken 7 early. so I had Incorporated the mind set of "Even if I lose, I still get to learn something for me to improve on."
@@lol69203 you don't have proof showing that, big man. I can easily say that I'm God of destruction. Or that I'm as good as JDCR. But that's all BS until I show proof.
I like how in T8 no one is never playing right unless a pro or former pro according to others. Maybe the real problem is the game. T7 you die for being careless. T8 you die for being careful. Harada's message was clear. As a defensive reads based player even I had to accept it.
Someone needs to do one for Kaz and his Kazino gameplay. Ff2 spammer and string mains that never in their remaining T8 existence will ever use iWS2 again and just use the safe no execution mid after their heat engager and heat dash at the wall. Wavu into ff2 is the max of execution you see them do these days. Sad times watching kaz players compared to the movement and execution chads from T7 days.
I have to disagree here. Although i welcome his rush down capabilities, it doesn’t compare to other characters. You still have to be careful because he is very launch punishable. Spacing and timing is still necessary. He is still technical although with a little more forgiveness.
Launch punishable? You mean ducking and punishing? There's only a few very unsafe moves that he has that are easy to punish and all of those have mind games attached to it.
In a game surrounded by brainrot, why would you ever use his defensive options when every character can just clip you out of anything because of the over abundance of aggression and horrible neutral. Also hypocritical complaining about a brainrot 50/50 while maining kazuya 💀
As a T7 Lee player I tried to play him the classic way but it just isnt nearly as effective in Tekken 8. His new tools are designed to make him be played in a new way.
MARVELOUS as someone who started in tekken 8 lee is my main now and tbh the brain rot is jsut the start imho after you learn more and more you do spasing parrys etc. i love this char and i agree
Partial agree, I also main Lee and I love him. One of my favorite things about him tho is the creativity to he gives to the player. You totally can play pushdown with lee, maybe not as suboptimally as MM was trying to show but he can be played that way as well as a spacing, CH, defensive monster waiting for your next mistake. And switching between the two has honestly been the most fun I've had in any fighting game, I love Lee. When the conditioning sets in and your plan lands, he makes me feel like a genius lol
@@johnnymonsterrrrthe more" Easier routes" Have decent 62 damage to wall. The only problem is Lee awkward neutral launch you have to have very good punish game for it to work consistently. HMS launch is risky. I think setting up for a combo is harder with him and that's why people go chip
Lee is brainrot though none of yall can defend for shit and just spam lows 24/7 which get you killed. I used to love playing Lee but they just enabled the dumbass Lee players to play even more dumb now in this game
Why does it matter what your "character was" when you have to play it for what it is? Then people wonder why "tekken 8 baboons with brain rot" take their points.. play the game that's in front of you, don't overdose on copium unless they change the game system so it's closer to what you would want it to be. Only then expect people to play to those standards. I'm not saying that fundamentals need to be skipped, by all means, but most people complain about this and that because they refuse to let go of the old Tekken playstyle.
As a kaz main no character in tekken is honest period every character in T8 has gotten tools that put band aids on the cracks of these characters like kazuya getting better neutral game with ff3 or hwoa now having that one kick move that goes a good distance and tracks
I definitely hear what hes saying but legacy playstyle isnt winning tournaments brain rot style is which is why the meta is shifting like i predicted in my video "how to fix all of tekken"
How DARE you not play like I want you to! How DARE you not force yourself to master every just frame before you even enter red ranks! How DARE you have fun and learn hard stuff at your own pace! You should play the character how I the elitist old man want you too!
Playing a character in a certain way in a freakin` video game doesn`t make you stupid, Lads. Use the tools the game provides your character for your fun, and if you wanna gain the appreciation of any pro or legacy player by matching your playstyles to their liking it`s up to you...but I wouldn`t lose sleep over it.
The game system incentivises offensive playstyle So no one has a choice but to he offensive in some way. But in heat you'll be FORCED TO BE OFFENSIVE. it's just the way it is unless there's a defense update that'll make us not be in a situation in heat.
Who cares how ppl choose to play. It’s a video game. They purchased it and are free to any playstyle they choose. Why should anyone purposely hold themselves back from winning? Use the tools you’re given
This what happens when you tried to make a game for everyone and forget about your hardcore arcade audience, there isn’t truly a hard character in this game except for the ones that suck.
no character should be hard to play/inaccessible for no reason. That’s bad game design in my opinion Everyone coming in should be able to play whoever they want and who they deem cool. There shouldn’t be an execution barrier locking someone behind from playing a character they like or would like to play I’m not saying make characters brain dead just accessible enough without taking away their nuance. Lee is easier in this game but he still isn’t brain dead noob friendly
lee's not that bad even if he's gimmicky and not as high skill as he was in tekken 7. its the jin feng and law players who need their brain lobotomized
What honest high IQ character do you play? ...If it's actually Dragunov and Lars then that's some nerve to try and make Jin out to be problematic, especially when there's still *ample* picks more spoonfed than him.
tbh a lot of people aren't watching the whole video. He's just saying new lee mains just do b33/wr34 as a 50/50 instead of playing his strengths bc t8 focuses too much on the aggression aspect. and lee benefits a lot more from a calculated defensive play style. And yeah he's being general at first but he knows that not all lee players just do b33, it is something that becomes a part of his kit as you understand playing lee more.
not comparable to any other tekken character. B33 is the ONLY bs move you have to deal with because it's almost impossible to step, but once someone ducks you are literally dead. It is really hard even to get any character into 50/50, his offense is good but it's really hard to keep the pressure.
b+3,3 was +2 and not nc, meaning it wasn't +2, it was launch punishable. Now it's nc +4, how am i not supposed to use it? 1+2 hms got from - something to +3 and wr 3,4 can be done point blank now. The tools are there, we can't ignore them.
the thing is, most of lees punishment now is heat engager which forces you to go for the 50/50 or pressure, WR3 4 is probably the best move out of engager, which can go into hms for mixup or more pressure. no point in backdashing out of that.
I can't say I necessarily disagree with what he's saying, but it's not really the fault of the Lee players. The new game was designed around this kind of gameplay, and they made Lee particularly strong at doing it. It is really annoying that it's the direction they chose for the game, and hopefully with defensive buffs it won't be as viable, but until then this is all we're gonna be seeing since it's stupidly rewarding.
I really disagree here. I mean yeah he now has somewhat good rushdown tools that damages his gameplan from t7, but here's the thing, what lee does good literally any other character can do better. Law is literally better Lee in terms of rushsdown. His gameplan is still here, its just tekken 8 is a game where keepout is not a very good option since every character is now a rushdown so Lee players dont really have a choice but to do monkey flip on a controller. IMO his rushdown tools are just OK at best (b33 is great for rushdown but once your opponent blocks it, you're dead)
People doing backseat to mainman: "I want to play my way" Also mainman: " YOU SHOULD LEARN THIS, THE WAY YOU PLAY IS WRONG, ITS NOT THE WAY LEE WORKS!"
Lee got a Hwo style d3 4 with b3 3 but it doesn't have nearly the same impact and is just some light damage. It's a free launch if ducked, and wr3 4 has always been easily stepped if you get predictable with it. I'm sorry, but this just feels like massive cope. He's still Lee but with some new stuff.
I've been a lee main since tekken 7 and I do admit it feels so good that we can now buffer slide into another slide and the new move ws12 making all our loop combos do more damage the 50/50 stuff is super risky tho hopkick is -13 b33 is super launch punishable the while running 34 move is easily sidewalkable
This time TMM talks BS... Dial into FightinGMs stream... He basically says the opposite.... Maybe Lee once was defensive char but this is an offensive game. You block you die. Thats the gist of the message
@blockchainballer4542 Oh ic. Keep do doing your thing then. I mained Gigas in T7 and I'm only 200h Raijin in T8 so I wouldn't say my statement held that much weight.
"play keep out in a game that has power crush + heat armor spammed every 5sec" not to mention the nonexistent recovery on a bunch of god moves all the S tier characters have. good luck with that
I agree with some of what TMM says but this video is just such a shit take from him. He’s starting to have more and more moments like this where it seems like he’s completely disconnected from what’s actually happening and have formulated an opinion in this thought vacuum of a community where everyone just agrees because TMM said it and his chat is yellow Kazuya after yellow Kazuya blindly agreeing because TMM is their god
This is why people are frustrated with Tekken 8. Especially legacy players. Cause they’re playing the characters in some generic boring way that is “optimal”. Meanwhile there are people playing a defensive character aggressive with success. Using the tools given to him and are being told they don’t know how to play the game.
He’s not saying don’t play like this. He’s saying don’t ONLY play like this because the character has more to offer. Lee main btw so idk why everyone is completely missing the point
Not a big fan of this vid tbh. Yeah there's a bit of ridiculousness with b3,3 and his mixups but who tf doesn't in Tekken 8? If you wanna do well with Lee you still need to rely on smart play, spacing, and timing. The identity of the character isn't lost at all, it's just got the Tekken 8 aggression added to it. Just think this is a bit overdramatic
I mean isn’t that exactly what he said? He says a lot of Lee’s aren’t using the full potential of the character because they focus too much on offense, not that the character itself is braindead
He’s just mad casuals are playing lee and not expert sweats. As a Lee main, it’s OK you play lee non-optimally, I want you to enjoy this character in whatever expression you want. Main man disagrees tho. Old man yells at cloud.
@@MrMangus Here's a better question; if those Lee players are getting good results without the "Tekken 7 play style," then why should they learn it? And follow-up question, why couldn't they just learn both at once? That's why I agree with the guy you're replying to; I also believe the video misses the mark, but only because I think you can simultaneously learn the OG Lee stuff *while also* doing unga bunga T8 stuff.
@@MrMangusbefore, a non-optimal lee was a dead lee, he was that hard to play. Now, casuals are making do with his t8 BS, and main man disagrees and wants them to suffer the monumental challenge of mastering lees defense. I agree it’s rewarding and cool to have a great defensive lee, but less people will play lee because of it.
Guys, you can play this game however you want. Videos like these are kind of condescending to people who are new or are just trying to use a character they like in a video game. You don’t have to stop playing how you want just because he was played differently in a game that was released more than 5 years ago. You don’t win the game just because you quote en quote “played honorably”. Also, isn’t it dope that Lee can be played multiple ways? Menat in SFV. Fox in Melee. These are generally agreed upon “cool” characters gameplay-wise because people play them differently so…
b33 sidesteppable, duck the first and get punished launched. WR 34 sidesteppable both sides. Lee takes very high risk to confirm his moves and sometimes, doesnt even get full value on that. He has no guarantees, no jailing, you actually shown that WS 23 isnt a reliable launcher cos most of the time HB whiffs, and happens ALOT. Man I hope this is bait content to please the algorythm otherwise why would someone with 30 years of tekken exp can come up with such bad cooked takes? the Brain Rot thingy can be applied to every character in the game, including your poor beloved t-rex arms Kazuya. If you play Lee like you shown you get bodied 100% of the time.
As a mid Lee main I agree as I catch myself falling into some of these habits when getting wombo comboed after being punished for my own hubris. Womp womp Fs in chat
It's also criminal how most Lee mains don't use b, b 4 enough. Honestly, while I do use b4 a fair bit, I actually use this more. It's better in some ways, even on normal hit, you get a mini combo that hits hard and it's homing.
Honestly I’ll have to agree with him a bit. I haven’t see a Lee use b4 once. That move use to make me scared of pressing against him. Now that fear is gone so ironically I feel the match up is a lot easier for me now.
Miirio and Father are now arming themselves and going straight to Mainman's crib
Also FightingGM.
Miiro definitely mixes both
Fathers the only Lee I like. And for Kazyua TmmSwe and PMedusa/
@@Z1nt3k Fighting gm needs to dismantle this video
@@Z1nt3knobody likes that dude
You have to play Lee like that in Tekken 8. Even FightingGM said his biggest weakness in Tekken 8 is that he isn't constantly keeping pressure up. You just take it up the ass in Tekken 8 if you try to play defensively and for counter hits.
Nah, this works up until Tekken King, but then you're just rolling the dice, because Lee still risks everything for those moves. If you wanna consistently win after that, you gotta play Legacy Lee too.
@@Boss-_that’s cap, I’ve seen many scrub lees in high ranks who plays like a blue rank hwo
Lol, FightingGM just recorded a response vid already
@@Boss-_ agreed, and yes most of high level Lees are scrubs that only spam b33 but they are so easy to counter
@@Boss-_ Tekken king means nothing in this game. hardstuck fujin in t7 get it easily .
Also fightingGM is literally the most optimal and best player with lee out there. he beat JDCR , knee , arslan in the past and in tournaments as well and sets
Everyone is brain rot in Tekken 8 except Kazuya for TMM.
realest comment
because its true,
Been like that for 20 years
Yeah because everyone has potential for brainrot rush down with their poking, one of the many weaknesses Kaz has in T8. But you can play braindead with any character, true.
@@karoaziz2783 yes thats why most kazuyas have around 50 def
Yes but how in gods name can i try and space a b4 properly if I have Alisa coming at me at 300mph
Gotta sidestep, she's got alot of linear stuff
@@astro_villain Sidestep isn't reliable in a game with shitty hit boxes
300mph
300mph
@@CouncilOfTheWolf then play 2D fighting games, no need to worry about sidestepping haha
If the game lets me do it, imma do it. The game isn’t giving me extra points for making my own life harder.
You're still a waste of time for most people if you're going to crutch the most stupid parts of the character
Thats the entire problem. The game design ruined certain character playstyles.
The point was about becoming a better Tekken player. Learn to be a proper Lee player who can handle Tekken well and then add the braindead T8 stuff ontop of that. If you only rely on the most op bullshit the game has to offer, you never learned how to properly play the game/character and engage with the combat on a different level.
@@EddieMorphling yeah
Plus, what are you going to do when the op bs gets inevitably nerfed? Uninstall the game lol? Me personally, at some point when the game gets balanced properly, the devs needs to reset everybody's rank from the beginning. I promise you that there will be a lot of Tekken kings stuck in red ranks.
i feel like ive been playing brain rot lee more because of the game surrounding him more than what tekken 8 has given him, its so hard to space when all these characters have crazy reach and armored heat engagers, and your fast (non-while standing) punish tools are heat engagers now that force you into your their face and it feels like your being forced into becoming a pressure mixing style, the spacing/timing lee playstyle feels more invalided by the game
Basically Tekken 8 sucks
Lee has an armored heat engager too. 😉
Said the exact same with reach man
Louder bro
Don't worry, the next patch should be around the corner.
Old man yells at cloud
Legacy Lee Players unite in excellence🌹
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Peak Lee brainrot is doing WS2,3 for every single punish regardless of the frame data. Its me, I do that.
That and just going for a WR3, 4 when you've got distance, they're low on health, and you can jump over the Rage Art, or just get caught in it.
It's not brain rot, it's called being...STYLISH.
It's not easy to do optimal punishment without tons of knowlegde and muscle memory, everyone has a quick punnish reaction like mishimas doing 1,1,2 or jins doing ws2 every time they block a low.
Many people use quick punishes to get out of preasure which is indeed a brainrot and a bad habit. At least if you identify a move that is punishable and try to willingly punish it, I say it's a step in the right direction.
I should honestly stop punishing everything with acid rain with Lee. T7 habit. Unsure of frame adv -> ehh just 10f then. Lee's 10f is strong after all.
😂 u described my Jin 😂@@araghastelsaqueador9066
and then when it finally lands and you heat burst for the combo it whiffs and a piece of your soul withers away :(
So you are saying they play like avearage kazuyas in ranked ?
(GM made a video about why lee offense is more intelligent than any other characters in this game)
and he is right by t8 standards he takes more risk than anyone for simple plus frames
The literal same stuff can be said about kazuyas mad easy wavedash 50/50
@@okaycoo4224 Facts.
Whenever i see lee players im just like yeeah fairplay because some of the execution on his normal strings is insane
If you like i will study for test instead of playing tekken
Sry dudd, had ti dislike. Go tekken
Do both, 40 minutes study then 20 minutes Tekken
do some meth too
Tekken is the test you need to study for
@@austingoyne3039 Pff yeah 20 min Tekken...you can enjoy skipping the intros and go to waiting oponent screen with that much time...
The real brain rot is Kazuya mains saying he bad.
FR… the audacity to call out Lee of all characters is insane lol
I disagree here TMM.. Mastering T7 Lee playstyle is damn near irrelevant in Tekken 8. This game is literally "Pick your braindead". So in a game where everyone is pressing buttons with no patience, Lee has no choice but to be more aggressive. Anything negative you say about Lee players can also be said about 90% of the roster.
Mainman got the brainrot lelelelle
It's kinda hard to keep out when every character has insane reach and heat sht tracks, I rlly liked playing Asuka in 7 and whiff punish stuff with F2 it just felt so satisfying like i actually spaced it or timed it properly, but now i barely ever feel like ppl whiff, or they just power crush heat engager my keep out tehe
I don’t understand main man’s take.
As a Lee main, if you play tekken 7 Lee, you will just lose. I understand main man wants people to lose to learn, but the majority of the casual player base just wants to have fun.
Yes, timing is important, but if you “fall back” and play a counter hit play style like t7, the amount of power crushes, plus frames, neutral breaking moves, and strong low pokes from other characters will just steam roll you, regardless of your strong counter hit tools. Tekken 8 rewards getting YOUR offense started and steamrolling your opponent with frames and damage. IT WAS DESIGNED THIS WAY!!! I understand if you don’t like it, but it’s literally the goal of the developers. They gave Lee b33 not because they think lee is cute or something, but because they WANTED HIM TO USE IT! they want lee to be another character who piles on frames and can have unga offense, because that’s how they want (most) of their characters! Like I said, I understand if you don’t like it, but giving Lee great lows with great frames and still keeping his strong df1 and wr34 and ff3 as a heat engager SCREAMS to the playerbase that they want lee to have offensive tools the same way that modern tekken characters have.
Also, I do ENJOY tekken 8 lee more than tekken 7. You may not, and that’s ok. But to say that you have to play lee like tekken 7 lee is just main man disagreeing with the design philosophy of tekken 8, which is completely fine but will just lead to lee players losing more. Are the fundamentals of t7 lee players better than t8 lee players? Yes, but that could be said across the board with this game. People can climb to high ranks with dog shit defense, it’s just how it is.
Now is The perfect lee a Lee who understands the strength of his counters and timing combined with unga offense? Sure. But the game doesn’t care, and frankly more people will have more fun playing Lee unga than not. Mainman’s main gripe seems to me that lee used to be an enthusiast expert characters, but now he’s been tarnished to a brainrot unga character who’s players don’t appreciate nor utilize his defense. I agree this is sad, but it’s what bamco wanted.
Thanks for understanding that this is awufull
Hard agree
Just wanted to added that FightingGM the best lee player thinks lee is harder to play in this game than before. (t7)
How dare you have fun with a hard character >:(
Lee's keep out game feels nerfed in T8. B4 gets beat out by alot and isn't the same tool it was in T7. Am I wrong?
Problem with back 4 is that so many while running highs have absurd range in this game. No matter my read and timing they beat it.
This feels like elitist talk, and im not disagreeing with you, but if the game allows this playstyle , and the game doesnt give you enough space and room to play defensively.. why should i bother.. change the game system
True.
If unga means win, it's unga. If defensive means win, we play defensive.
@@DBTHEPLUGare we playing just to win or get better?
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Get Better = Practice Mode
Win = Ranked
@@akwl0l812isn’t winning apart of getting better lol
@@Fleez311i would agree but in higher ranks, we demolish the unga Lees. i think he is mainly addressing beginner intermediate and when they get to high ranks they are complacent
Apparently every character except kazuya is brain dead. He brings up brain dead 50/50s like kazuya hasn’t had the same brain dead 50/50 since B.C
Ok so it was lee that bullied him in ranked this time
For real this guy is cringe
@jondavis3427 hes the worst and everyone watches him and his rage baits
Worst part is everyone believes what he says
😂😂😂
someone in chat asked him to talk about lee bro did u even watch the video?
Obsessed.
To be honest, 99% of ranked players don’t respect pressure or spacing with how strong power crush/ heat burst are.
I’m a legacy lee player myself I always try to play like a T7 Lee only to get slapped by a 15 frame heat engager power crush into a wall explosion~ ggs
Nice BS take TMM, but I'm still gonna main Lee.
He's right tho
@@Brainzzz123no he is not. Lee in Tekken 8 is just lee in Tekken 8. He is one of the few characters that aren't brainrot. Like victor, raven, Reina, hwoarang, azucena, yoshimitsu, Feng, Nina, Lili etc...
🤡@@kato093
We main whatever character we want nothings gonna change my opinion on my mains but it's always good to learn from different perspectives
GM’s Lee is incredible to watch and I rarely see him using B33
I saw a clip where he says that if you’re relying on b3,3 as your only offensive option then you’re not playing Lee properly, or something like that. Knowing that made a big difference in the way I play Lee altogether
How in the world will anyone learn Lee without watching these dorks?
Everyone is missing the key point which is IF YOU WANT TO GET BETTER. You can always play as a scrub but to improve is what he's talking about
Indeed. T8 is entertainment. I personally derive my fun from improvement, not ranks nor something else. Well some days I just want to see people deal with Feng/Lars bullshit but most of the time I'm playing legacy Lee/Steve.
I believe MainMan wants to foster an audience that does derive their fun from improvement and then everyone else can just hang out I guess.
To get good at lee you have to play like a maniac. If you mean to get good at fundies and defense then lee is just a bad pick for that
@@flamescorpio5850 Fair, I mainly play Lee and Kazuya, then I pocket some others.
Tekken is changing. If this patch doesn't do its job, spam and scrub play is going to end up being the most viable "getting better" playstyle.
The problem is he's calling the hyper aggressive playstyle brain rot when spam is what the game is practically DESIGNED AROUND. This isn't Tekken 7 anymore.
You still have to play Tekken 8 Lee to get better. No one is missing his point, it’s just a bad take. It’s also unfair considering who TMM mains.
"Even if it's uncomfortable and feels bad, do it" - TMM
Because the reward of nailing hard stuff is quite something.
I disagree. I tried playing "Tekken 7 Lee", for the first month of Tekken 8 and its just not the same due to the overall aggressive offense-oriented gameplay of the game. It genuinely makes no sense to play Lee how TheMainMan suggests.
Yeah, let me sit back and play defensively and "find timings" and "spacing" and whatever other key words he wants to throw out, while Hwoarang, Alisa, and Raven delete half my health bar for blocking, Kuma, Panda, Feng, and Asuka gimmick the shit out of me with guard breaks and unblockables, and Kazuya, Dragunov, and King mix me endlessly with oki and grabs.
Don't get me wrong, Lee is amazing in Tekken 8 and with a few tweaks to weird hitboxes (Harada pls), he would be perfect, but let's not act like all Lee players suddenly acquired brainrot out of nowhere, when pretty much every character in the game has some form of overly aggressive pressure.
It’s not brain rot it’s game rot, the devs cater to the brain rots so now the game is bad from the core
Is he really saying play Lee like T7??? Ok bud you go ahead and do that lmao
Yup works great. Just gotta practive my magic 4 combo as it's way harder than in T7 IMO.
Bro. I played Lee like in T7 and I got steamrolled. Just yesterday. I was kinda hating the T8 setups and flow charts. Decided to play my T7 way, ultra defensive, punishment, reads and CH occasional with some high octane execution bits. I lost two rounds to a Jim spamming safe strings and his heat burst, rage art bait cause yes those two just have to do that much damage (I can already hear someone go, "Your fault for falling for it." Even if you know it's coming don't forget you also have to constantly watch out for the lows and chip so waiting it out kills you also). I turned on unga bunga. And won the set. For a sec I went, "Mh! So brainrot = win? So why torture myself to lose right now?"
@@Kenkyou_Nogata sounds about right haha all the characters have too much bullshit to try and read and play defensively against. Hopefully this next patch slows down the pace a bit
The beauty of Tekken is that characters don't "need" to play in any particular way to be successful. You can see 3 top players using 1 character and they all have different styles and move selection. It's what makes the game great.
that was in the past if anyone picka top tier char they will do the same shit now
@@Blackpanther-we6rc that still doesn't happen they still play differently.
@@echo8168ehhh to a degree, hwroang players do the same thing they all do, Kazuya players always use the heat smash advance attacks, Reina players are all aggressive and will rush you into a grapple lolol. Etc etc
@@darklord9581your comments screams “I’m garyu”
@@GrogedUp I’m not even in garyu, and don’t know what that has to do with players doing the same strings they see from other players lol. I guess not all kings grapple then??? When 95% will try to do atleast 1 chain grapple or spin throw into wall☠️☠️☠️
Yea lee gets some tools to address his weakness back in 7, now it's bad, what you expect us to play tekken 7 lee against tekken 8 characters?
Yep, works great. TMM is addressing that he wants more people to spend the extra effort to up their play. If you can get a 60% winrate with [tier 1] effort than why not go for a 70% winrate with [tier 3] effort. Lee is a character that can heavily punish people for needlessly pressing buttons, and what does your average T8 player with their character want to do?
T8 lazy aggresive Lee is somewhat effective and very easy.
T8 demanding defensive Lee is very effective but very hard.
I feel like much of the same can be said for other characters, it feels like they want every character to have T8 flavored gameplay, even if it goes against the playstyle the character was designed for.
TMM played a ridiculously overpowered Kazuya for 7 years in T7. Him trashing Lee leaves him with no credibility. Common TMM L
Telling people to essentially gimp themselves out of their characters Tekken 8 gameplay is the real brain rot here.
It helps you improve as a player in the long run trust me I said the same thing as well back in tekken 7 and it made me a worse player and made me quit tekken 7 early. so I had Incorporated the mind set of "Even if I lose, I still get to learn something for me to improve on."
Thing is Tekken 8 is probably the most unique Tekken game out of the last 4 so prior rules might not apply the same way@@timezone6094
This kinda mindset is what gets you stuck in green ranks in Tekken 7. And it'll make you stagnate all the same in Tekken 8.
@@charlieflight6124 I'm tekken god supreme in Tekken 8, lmfao.
Nice projection though, scrub.
@@lol69203 you don't have proof showing that, big man. I can easily say that I'm God of destruction. Or that I'm as good as JDCR. But that's all BS until I show proof.
I like how in T8 no one is never playing right unless a pro or former pro according to others. Maybe the real problem is the game. T7 you die for being careless. T8 you die for being careful. Harada's message was clear. As a defensive reads based player even I had to accept it.
The Main Man knows all the Gen Apha Terminology now 😂
Back 4 doesnt track anymore that's why we dont use it as much
Wait it doesn't?!?! Never had it stepped so I haven't checked... guess I'm labbing that then.
@@that_one_salad9778 b 4 hitman has no tracking anymore
@@JPROP-vb7svthat's sad cause people used to fall for it
Someone needs to do one for Kaz and his Kazino gameplay.
Ff2 spammer and string mains that never in their remaining T8 existence will ever use iWS2 again and just use the safe no execution mid after their heat engager and heat dash at the wall.
Wavu into ff2 is the max of execution you see them do these days. Sad times watching kaz players compared to the movement and execution chads from T7 days.
every character mains in tekken 8
I have to disagree here. Although i welcome his rush down capabilities, it doesn’t compare to other characters. You still have to be careful because he is very launch punishable. Spacing and timing is still necessary. He is still technical although with a little more forgiveness.
Launch punishable? You mean ducking and punishing? There's only a few very unsafe moves that he has that are easy to punish and all of those have mind games attached to it.
Any character that has a minus 13 on block out of neutral low that CH launches is immediately brain dead in this game
@@ensar4115And what move would that be?
@@biivii100 i dont know its name but its the 4 button low , that high crushes instantly and goes into his taunt stance
@ensar4115 That's d3 and I'm pretty sure it's launch punishable.
In a game where aggression is rewarded, Tekken 8's Lee is the best version of the character.
Agreed. B3,3 isn’t near as good as he or everyone stated.
I try to use everything in a characters moveset, cuz I’m not a coward
In a game surrounded by brainrot, why would you ever use his defensive options when every character can just clip you out of anything because of the over abundance of aggression and horrible neutral. Also hypocritical complaining about a brainrot 50/50 while maining kazuya 💀
As a T7 Lee player I tried to play him the classic way but it just isnt nearly as effective in Tekken 8. His new tools are designed to make him be played in a new way.
MARVELOUS
as someone who started in tekken 8 lee is my main now and tbh the brain rot is jsut the start imho after you learn more and more you do spasing parrys etc. i love this char and i agree
how do you guys do decent combo damage without breaking your pp
@@johnnymonsterrrr TOO BOLD OF YOU TO ASSUME THAT WE LEE MAINS HAVE PPS
Partial agree, I also main Lee and I love him. One of my favorite things about him tho is the creativity to he gives to the player. You totally can play pushdown with lee, maybe not as suboptimally as MM was trying to show but he can be played that way as well as a spacing, CH, defensive monster waiting for your next mistake. And switching between the two has honestly been the most fun I've had in any fighting game, I love Lee. When the conditioning sets in and your plan lands, he makes me feel like a genius lol
@@johnnymonsterrrrthe more" Easier routes" Have decent 62 damage to wall. The only problem is Lee awkward neutral launch you have to have very good punish game for it to work consistently. HMS launch is risky. I think setting up for a combo is harder with him and that's why people go chip
The man lost to a few Lee players and is trying to take revenge through some DSP tier rant video lmao
Lee main pretending he’s not brain dead
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At this point he's just complaining that T8 is an aggressive, 50/50 based game instead of pointing out actual Lee specific stuff that bothers him.
bro forgot he's playing dogshit kazuya lmao. taking it to lee mains now cuz he probably got clapped hard is actually crazy
Lee is brainrot though none of yall can defend for shit and just spam lows 24/7 which get you killed. I used to love playing Lee but they just enabled the dumbass Lee players to play even more dumb now in this game
Play Tekken 7 Lee in Tekken 8 and see where that will take you.
Its true, Lee players don't even use b4 anymore because heat engagers are so scary, neutral approach is brainless
Why does it matter what your "character was" when you have to play it for what it is? Then people wonder why "tekken 8 baboons with brain rot" take their points.. play the game that's in front of you, don't overdose on copium unless they change the game system so it's closer to what you would want it to be. Only then expect people to play to those standards.
I'm not saying that fundamentals need to be skipped, by all means, but most people complain about this and that because they refuse to let go of the old Tekken playstyle.
kazuya gorillas pretending their character is not as stupid as other characters episode 531
He is but not as much as some
Lol found the triggered Lee main.
@@Lbdataz1469spoken like a feng user
As a kaz main no character in tekken is honest period every character in T8 has gotten tools that put band aids on the cracks of these characters like kazuya getting better neutral game with ff3 or hwoa now having that one kick move that goes a good distance and tracks
@@seanbrown7083 facts
I definitely hear what hes saying but legacy playstyle isnt winning tournaments brain rot style is which is why the meta is shifting like i predicted in my video "how to fix all of tekken"
How DARE you not play like I want you to!
How DARE you not force yourself to master every just frame before you even enter red ranks!
How DARE you have fun and learn hard stuff at your own pace!
You should play the character how I the elitist old man want you too!
In a nutshell
Don't hate the player hate the system that forced players to play this way
Exactly u can tell this game trash from the first gameplay trailer
Playing a character in a certain way in a freakin` video game doesn`t make you stupid, Lads. Use the tools the game provides your character for your fun, and if you wanna gain the appreciation of any pro or legacy player by matching your playstyles to their liking it`s up to you...but I wouldn`t lose sleep over it.
The game system incentivises offensive playstyle
So no one has a choice but to he offensive in some way.
But in heat you'll be FORCED TO BE OFFENSIVE.
it's just the way it is unless there's a defense update that'll make us not be in a situation in heat.
Who cares how ppl choose to play. It’s a video game. They purchased it and are free to any playstyle they choose. Why should anyone purposely hold themselves back from winning? Use the tools you’re given
How dare you not play the way I want you to play in a video game.
How dare you not spend hours in practice mode practising just frames.
Top comment tbh
I try to use the entire character moveset cuz I’m not a coward
This what happens when you tried to make a game for everyone and forget about your hardcore arcade audience, there isn’t truly a hard character in this game except for the ones that suck.
FINALLY ONE WHO GETS IT JESUUS
Certain characters are definitely still harder then others tho
Absolutely agree
no character should be hard to play/inaccessible for no reason. That’s bad game design in my opinion
Everyone coming in should be able to play whoever they want and who they deem cool. There shouldn’t be an execution barrier locking someone behind from playing a character they like or would like to play
I’m not saying make characters brain dead just accessible enough without taking away their nuance.
Lee is easier in this game but he still isn’t brain dead noob friendly
@@versatilelord8893 na if all characters were easy the game would be boring
Lee is valid
lee's not that bad even if he's gimmicky and not as high skill as he was in tekken 7. its the jin feng and law players who need their brain lobotomized
Lee is easy on low level but using his full arsenal makes him a killer
@Krugmatik im pretty sure thats just cus jin is the main character and feng is relatively weird looking
What honest high IQ character do you play? ...If it's actually Dragunov and Lars then that's some nerve to try and make Jin out to be problematic, especially when there's still *ample* picks more spoonfed than him.
All Law players play the exact same. It feels like I'm fighting the same guy over and over again.
@@theopulentone1650 underrated take ngl
My bro must have lost badly to a Lee to make this vid 💀
He must've cause no way
Or he says how it is and you're butthurt
@@JustAnte9557*Slurping Noise Intensifies*
@@Unholy187 play a real character like kazuya instead of mimicking chimpanzees
He's literally showing us why Lee needs a lot of execution then outta nowhere "BRAIN ROT"
just because of 1 good low hit 😂
tbh a lot of people aren't watching the whole video. He's just saying new lee mains just do b33/wr34 as a 50/50 instead of playing his strengths bc t8 focuses too much on the aggression aspect. and lee benefits a lot more from a calculated defensive play style. And yeah he's being general at first but he knows that not all lee players just do b33, it is something that becomes a part of his kit as you understand playing lee more.
not comparable to any other tekken character. B33 is the ONLY bs move you have to deal with because it's almost impossible to step, but once someone ducks you are literally dead. It is really hard even to get any character into 50/50, his offense is good but it's really hard to keep the pressure.
fr i can beat lee mirror's pretty easily once they spam b3,3. just duck and launch
Kazuya braindead 50-50 is honest, every other character is brain rot
no one wants to risk being on defence in this game
They should, because offense is about to be nerfed and defense be buffed.
@@FullAdDariusBRnah it depends mostly on how they implement these defense buffs
@@seanbrown7083 True, we'll have to see it on live to point out if it's good or not.
SaltSpamSWE is going to have a field day with this
I feel like no one should be able to complain about Lee when Law has almost everything he has but better. Just my opinion
I agree. Lee b33 is not all it’s hyped up to be and everyone saying that you need to be defensive don’t understand that t8 is an offensive based game.
Gotta do what it takes to win man, Tekken 8 just isn't Tekken 7 it just is what it is.
b+3,3 was +2 and not nc, meaning it wasn't +2, it was launch punishable. Now it's nc +4, how am i not supposed to use it? 1+2 hms got from - something to +3 and wr 3,4 can be done point blank now. The tools are there, we can't ignore them.
the thing is, most of lees punishment now is heat engager which forces you to go for the 50/50 or pressure, WR3 4 is probably the best move out of engager, which can go into hms for mixup or more pressure. no point in backdashing out of that.
I can't say I necessarily disagree with what he's saying, but it's not really the fault of the Lee players. The new game was designed around this kind of gameplay, and they made Lee particularly strong at doing it. It is really annoying that it's the direction they chose for the game, and hopefully with defensive buffs it won't be as viable, but until then this is all we're gonna be seeing since it's stupidly rewarding.
I really disagree here. I mean yeah he now has somewhat good rushdown tools that damages his gameplan from t7, but here's the thing, what lee does good literally any other character can do better. Law is literally better Lee in terms of rushsdown. His gameplan is still here, its just tekken 8 is a game where keepout is not a very good option since every character is now a rushdown so Lee players dont really have a choice but to do monkey flip on a controller. IMO his rushdown tools are just OK at best (b33 is great for rushdown but once your opponent blocks it, you're dead)
We didn't forget about b4, that move is just bad in t8
It depends, but it was always highly situational.
I play Lee and try to play defensively and just gave up at fujin 😭
No such thing as defensivelee
Finally, the old man has gone senile. 😂
People doing backseat to mainman: "I want to play my way"
Also mainman:
" YOU SHOULD LEARN THIS, THE WAY YOU PLAY IS WRONG, ITS NOT THE WAY LEE WORKS!"
Lee got a Hwo style d3 4 with b3 3 but it doesn't have nearly the same impact and is just some light damage. It's a free launch if ducked, and wr3 4 has always been easily stepped if you get predictable with it.
I'm sorry, but this just feels like massive cope. He's still Lee but with some new stuff.
I've been a lee main since tekken 7 and I do admit it feels so good that we can now buffer slide into another slide and the new move ws12 making all our loop combos do more damage the 50/50 stuff is super risky tho hopkick is -13 b33 is super launch punishable the while running 34 move is easily sidewalkable
I feel so much love to Lee in his words...
This time TMM talks BS... Dial into FightinGMs stream... He basically says the opposite.... Maybe Lee once was defensive char but this is an offensive game. You block you die. Thats the gist of the message
Gm says he likes aggressive lee more though like how he used to be in t5
Yeah GM explains that keepout is bad in this game on lee. B4 is nerfed
we have to play him braindead its tekken 8 lol
There's literally no other choice lol
@@blockchainballer4542 Then I'm apparently playing the non-option you are talking about? Is defence really THAT foreign for modern Tekken players???
@@that_one_salad9778 I’ve been playing Tekken since T3., but this is my first time maining Lee. Not arguing with you champ
@blockchainballer4542 Oh ic. Keep do doing your thing then. I mained Gigas in T7 and I'm only 200h Raijin in T8 so I wouldn't say my statement held that much weight.
"play keep out in a game that has power crush + heat armor spammed every 5sec"
not to mention the nonexistent recovery on a bunch of god moves all the S tier characters have.
good luck with that
I agree with some of what TMM says but this video is just such a shit take from him. He’s starting to have more and more moments like this where it seems like he’s completely disconnected from what’s actually happening and have formulated an opinion in this thought vacuum of a community where everyone just agrees because TMM said it and his chat is yellow Kazuya after yellow Kazuya blindly agreeing because TMM is their god
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5:29 Now I’m calling BULLSHIT on this one and every Lee player would agree with me 😂😂😂
Definitely, I still get B4's on every match I play.
@@Exceleganceit’s still one of his best defensive tools for opponents trying to close the spacing since magic 4 is no longer a thing in Tekken 8.
This is why people are frustrated with Tekken 8. Especially legacy players. Cause they’re playing the characters in some generic boring way that is “optimal”. Meanwhile there are people playing a defensive character aggressive with success. Using the tools given to him and are being told they don’t know how to play the game.
Lee got a little bit of "accessibility" treatment, but the legacy playstyle is still there
So did kazuya and everyone ?
@@Chaoblahippo some more than others but true
This playstyle is simplt SUPERIOR to the old style of Lee in terms of effectiveness. Your time is over old man....its us zoomers time to shine.....
He’s not saying don’t play like this. He’s saying don’t ONLY play like this because the character has more to offer. Lee main btw so idk why everyone is completely missing the point
Not a big fan of this vid tbh. Yeah there's a bit of ridiculousness with b3,3 and his mixups but who tf doesn't in Tekken 8? If you wanna do well with Lee you still need to rely on smart play, spacing, and timing. The identity of the character isn't lost at all, it's just got the Tekken 8 aggression added to it. Just think this is a bit overdramatic
I mean isn’t that exactly what he said? He says a lot of Lee’s aren’t using the full potential of the character because they focus too much on offense, not that the character itself is braindead
He’s just mad casuals are playing lee and not expert sweats. As a Lee main, it’s OK you play lee non-optimally, I want you to enjoy this character in whatever expression you want. Main man disagrees tho. Old man yells at cloud.
@@MrMangus Here's a better question; if those Lee players are getting good results without the "Tekken 7 play style," then why should they learn it? And follow-up question, why couldn't they just learn both at once? That's why I agree with the guy you're replying to; I also believe the video misses the mark, but only because I think you can simultaneously learn the OG Lee stuff *while also* doing unga bunga T8 stuff.
Yeah at least Lee’s bullshit is super risky, it’s still bullishit but punishable bullshit is miles better than unpunishable bullshit lol
@@MrMangusbefore, a non-optimal lee was a dead lee, he was that hard to play. Now, casuals are making do with his t8 BS, and main man disagrees and wants them to suffer the monumental challenge of mastering lees defense. I agree it’s rewarding and cool to have a great defensive lee, but less people will play lee because of it.
Guys, you can play this game however you want. Videos like these are kind of condescending to people who are new or are just trying to use a character they like in a video game.
You don’t have to stop playing how you want just because he was played differently in a game that was released more than 5 years ago. You don’t win the game just because you quote en quote “played honorably”.
Also, isn’t it dope that Lee can be played multiple ways?
Menat in SFV. Fox in Melee. These are generally agreed upon “cool” characters gameplay-wise because people play them differently so…
b33 sidesteppable, duck the first and get punished launched. WR 34 sidesteppable both sides. Lee takes very high risk to confirm his moves and sometimes, doesnt even get full value on that. He has no guarantees, no jailing, you actually shown that WS 23 isnt a reliable launcher cos most of the time HB whiffs, and happens ALOT. Man I hope this is bait content to please the algorythm otherwise why would someone with 30 years of tekken exp can come up with such bad cooked takes? the Brain Rot thingy can be applied to every character in the game, including your poor beloved t-rex arms Kazuya. If you play Lee like you shown you get bodied 100% of the time.
No, b33 very hard sidestep, almost unreal, like drag's d2.
Instead of blaming the players, blame the game which encourages braindead play. :/
Who the hell bopped TMM in ranked with Lee? Show yourself 😂😂😂
It is now somehow Lee players' fault for the character to be made differently by the delveoper in a different game. How very incredible!
As a mid Lee main I agree as I catch myself falling into some of these habits when getting wombo comboed after being punished for my own hubris. Womp womp Fs in chat
It's also criminal how most Lee mains don't use b, b 4 enough. Honestly, while I do use b4 a fair bit, I actually use this more. It's better in some ways, even on normal hit, you get a mini combo that hits hard and it's homing.
Honestly I’ll have to agree with him a bit. I haven’t see a Lee use b4 once. That move use to make me scared of pressing against him. Now that fear is gone so ironically I feel the match up is a lot easier for me now.
Bro forcing urself to block more will make u lose matches in this game
BAMCO did say they wanted to make t8 more accessible to everyone, including the mentally disabled 💀