Inventing the best paramotor tandem setup - Smarter Pilot series
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- Опубліковано 17 гру 2022
- This is development in process. We are building the best paramotor tandem setup on the market. This is a bold claim, watch the video to see our reasoning.
For full understanding of the topic we recommend to watch the Paramotor Geometry Classroom video first.
• What is the best setup...
We do a lot of research and development work at SCOUT aviation and we decided to document our successes and failures on UA-cam. We believe that better having a deep understanding will make you a better pilot (and eventually a scout pilot:-)).
Secondarily, one wise man said that the best way to learn something is to try to explain it to others. And that exactly was how we got to the idea of improving the tandem bars.
We will continue to document our research and development activities. At the moment there are a few in progress:
1. the variomatic propeller - • Will this be the best ...
2. tandem bars
3. new throttle design - • Will this be the perfe...
4. paramotor computer
5. new paramotor helmet
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Absolutely fantastic to see new innovation coming for Tandem and Paramotor .. we have a similar system to move the passenger open down, but it isn’t easy to do with a heavy passenger so I’m watching your videos with great interest :-) thank you
Thanks for this video. I always trust people saying " Justify with science" I wait for the final version. Good luck
hello. I am a subscriber in Korea. It's always great to see you working hard and researching. I am preparing for the paramotor school in Korea now. I am very interested in your product. I love your company and products. I would definitely like to visit your company.
Very interessting 👍 Hope the product gonna be available soon in Europe :-)
A tip over proof trike is what Scout needs. Something revolutionary and minimal. Wheels, wheels, wheels.
I'm really interested in this! This could be a great addition to helping others experience this sport!
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Hi Miro, awesome engineering. Aren't you worried that having the carabiner of the paramotor at an angle instead of straight up will increase the load on it by a sine of the offset angle? I see in your hang test that the carabiner is roughly at a 45 degree angle from vertical so that would increase the load on it by sine of 45 = 0.7. So if the paramotor plus pilot is act 120kg you end up with 204kg on the carabiner. Does it make sense to worry about the extra load on this carabiner? Or is some of that weight redistributed on other part of connection. I would love to see what a newton meter would show on that connection point. Cheers and hope this comment is not redundant with your engineering.
I noticed in your table that you are considering making the motor attachment universal. If this moves to production, I’m sure pilots flying other motor units would be interested in this cool project!
Any frame that has spars at 3 and 9 o’clock should work. What frame do you fly?
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I wonder if you have seen the passenger seat with the attached "pockets" on each side for the pilots feet. These "stirrups" help a lot! First, the pilot have rests for his feet. Second, the pilot can distribute some of his weight in flight, so the passenger stays low.
Also, I basically doubt the idea for passenger to take-off first and land second. This way passenger obstructs the pilot's view on take-off (and landing), which makes it effectively a blindfolded take-off. Once the pilot is lifted in the air first, there is actually not much possibility for passenger to spoil the take-off, as basically the heaviest part is already flying and consequently the airspeed must be already pretty high. Of'course there shouldn't be a drammatical differense between when the pilot lifts-off and when the passenger lifts off. Ideally they do it almost at the same time. And on landing, if the pilot _really_ wants to land first, he could pull the passenger closer.
Summary: when we fly paramotor tandems with the U spreader, we attach the passenger chest strap to the front bar _before the flight_ , so that they cannot slow down and mess with our feet on the run. And in the air we put the feet into the front seat pockets, and then ask passenger to _release_ the front tie. The passenger is getting closer to the pilot, but stil kept below the pilot's view by the pressure of the pilots legs. On landing the pilot takes his feet out of the pockets and the passenger gets higher. This is normally enough for landing run, but could also ask the passenger to pull to the front bar again in advance if needed.
I am afraid you are trying to achieve the opposite: more spreading in flight and less in the run. And all because just not using the feet pockets.
Best to you and thanks a lot for your videos!
PS. I guess you can design a separate pair of leg stirrups and attach them to the U-bar or the passenger carabiners, if you don't want to mess with the companies for the passenger seat update.
Many of my passengers stopped running when they thought they reached the limit of their capabilities. Immediately after they realised how bad that decision was.
This getting them lifted first is always safer.
The distance between the pilot and passenger in the air is irrelevant. I am not trying to increase it. I am trying too get the passenger lower.
Never tried “stepping onto the passenger”. Might work although I doubt that the weight of my relaxed feet only would be sufficient to cause significant change in weight distribution.
I enjoy designing/engineering solutions as well. It is really cool that you are sharing the engineering process with us on the various products you are working on. The two stage pull for moving the passenger forward made me think of the cams on compound competition bows for shooting arrows. I don't really know if there is a solution there, but it's probably worth looking at how they work.
I will have a look at that! Thanks for the hint.
Very much looking forward to this, Miro! Can you also show any backup straps or mitigations for points of failure?
I don’t think we need a backup for the positioning system.
If it fails, the passenger will get back into the takeoff and landing position.
Put the roller on the passenger for cable (on the suspension). You will receive a 2:1 polyspast, which will make it easier for the passenger to pull up during the flight. If I wrote it clearly, then ask me again.
I already have a pulley 2:1 ratio. I will make it two step: first part 2:1 then the second part 3:1
For foot launching it is great advancement -- personally I think trikes are the best tandem approach.
Cheers
For frequent tandem flights trikes are better for sure. For occasional flights this is simpler and cheaper.
Also this allows travelling
Tandem trikes aren’t legal in the UK. So, a well designed setup would definitely e welcomed.
@@paramotorhead
Interesting
What if you used the tension the other way? Have the in flight forward cg system be relaxed and tighten the ropes to pull passenger into launch and landing cg position. Then for longer flights, your not straining the ropes the whole flight? Nice work! Love seeing your innovations!
Never thought of that. But strain is not an issue. A 3mm dyneema cord can take load of 950 kg. That’s probably 20 times more than the actual load.
I’d be interested in seeing a closer view of the mechanism for shifting the passenger. Also, I didn’t see the actual transition for landing. For whatever reason it was edited out.
I’m always intrigued by your ongoing endeavors to innovate. 👍 Please continue!
Good point. I will make sure we pay more attention to this in the next video
What the motor and wing used for this tandem setup?
Why not make brake handles 5 inches lower with an extension? It's not like you'll be flying the tandem wing solo.
Tandem wings are manufactured to place the brakes as low as possible. Yet they end up getting too high.
@@SCOUTaviation hmm, manufacturers of wings....in general need to update more than just a few things. less clutter. risers. brake toggles. magnet-type. holders. are problematic.. next question is why cant the manufacturers come up with a better . idea in the first place.?
looks good. so far... what does the passenger think of it...?...as he is a tandem pilot too.?
Passenger was happy. Yes he is a pilot too.
@@SCOUTaviation thank you for all your work. happy xmas😀
Hi, so its very confortable in reclain position u are sitting in a couch with perfect view in every direction. In launch/landing position its regular harness so no diffrence there.
brilliant ideas , why not use your feet like in a speed bar configuration to adjust your passenger's position or better still , have your passenger on request do it him/her,self
Having something like speed bar to adjust the position of the passenger would do the job for sure. But it would be a little more complex. First I try to keep it simple.
very true.
мы сами сделали тандемную дугу, по моему очень просто и удобно! ua-cam.com/video/DE1Ptz1xAX0/v-deo.html