REVIEW: Patek Philippe Aquanaut 5167a :: WatchHobbyist ::
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- Grab a coffee, it's a long one!! I'm aiming to create a shorter, more focused review soon, but in this video, I've hopefully covered every aspect of the watch, including the amazing lume, and 8.5mm thickness of this incredible watch from Patek Philippe.
In the review, I also talk about the buying process I went through, and my thoughts on the key rivals of the watch, including the Nautilus 5711 from the same stable.
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The first time I saw this watch, I thought it was absolute rubbish. It looks like a Timex you'd get at Sears. Now, if I had the cash, I'd buy one in an heartbeat. That's the magic of Patek Phillipe, stealth luxury.
Megatron666 its not as accurate as Rolex? i mean the money u have to pay for it? how comes its not as accurate?
+Shafir Iqbal You're missing the point. What do you mean by accurate? If you want the most accuracy, buy a quartz watch for £10.
Gary Smith sorry wrote that comment when i didnt no much about movement.
@@shafserious2805 'it's -3/+2 with beautiful decoration while Rolex is -2/+2 with sealed back
personal choice
same here.
I every tried it one two years ago
feel nothing at all and pass the chance to buy it
two years later now
it's just a gem to me
I finally get it and still feel astonished for the design and dial
really can't describe how come a three hand watch could surprise you
The aquanaut really is a watch that needs to be seen and worn in person to actually understand its beauty. As soon as i saw one in person, i wanted one, and thankfully will be getting one in around 6 weeks time.
I own this watch and I just LOVE it soooooo much!!!So cumfortable,so classy...the color of the dial changes every time...awesome!
Ghujvan'Dumènicu Ghjuvan'Dumènicu did u buy new?
Shafir Iqbal yes.I've just putted it on sale this week.I bought a 5711 a few months ago and now I'm selling the Aquanaut to buy a 5712g.If you are interested I'm selling it 16900€,great conditions,no dings,no scratches.
Ghujvan'Dumènicu Ghjuvan'Dumènicu im not ready to buy ive just started saving... i dont want to sell any of my rolexs for a new watch so im saving out right.
Wooow im impressed- how long did you have to wait to get the 5711? Really wanted it but ive now changed mind and want the aquanaut.
Im a bit confused if you loved the watch 'soooooo much' why sell it?
Shafir Iqbal my 5711 is not a new one,it's a 2008 "poinçon de Genève" model with the screwed bracelet.It was really in great condition so I bought it.
Well...I really love the aquanaut but I also really want to get the 5712g in white gold,as it is really expensive and I don't want to have 2 black/grey dial watches,the aquanaut must go...before I got the 5711,I had a white gold Daytona 116519.I sold it to pay the 5711 and keep the aquanaut.
But I really miss the weight and the hot color of the white gold...It feels really nice,I don't know how to explain it.
I really want to buy a 5712g as soon as can.
I understand you want to keep your watches...personally I never had more than 3 watches at the same times but sometimes I miss some pièces I sold...Maybe Sould I have more patience like you do.
Ghujvan'Dumènicu Ghjuvan'Dumènicu Nice choice on the 5711... well brother this will be my final watch purchase (making a total of 3)... then im done. Need money for family etc after that. But your really making me want the aquanaut via your description of it.. Thank you for taking the time out to respond. Just love the watch game... people are amazing and watches are amazing.
Best watch review I've ever watched on UA-cam, love your content, thanks!!!
I just got this watch 5167A in stainless steel bracelet as my first patek Philippe. Its fantastic! You're right its a good every day patek.
I 100% agree with every point You mention, I just bought one after 13 years of Rolex.Thank You!
Great to hear, hope you're enjoying it
Artur B. Hi I’m considering in purchasing one much like yourself after many years of buying Rolex. However after doing some initial research it seem really hard to source from a jewellers? How did you get into a position to get the opportunity to buy it?
Tom.
This is a beautiful tiome piece and the most honest review I have seen so far. This is my definite hero watch, I know I will not be disappointed if and hopefully when I get it. Wear it in good health..
I'm back six years later and still have not gotten my hands on a PP 5167. *sigh*. Beautiful watch still
This was the best review I have ever seen on the Aquanaut..I try telling my watch "collector" friends what it's like and they form opinions becasue they never tried a patek on and have no clue. UNTIL you see it .. NOTHING is like it. I just don't like the bracelet either or the gold model i seen both in person...This is my favorite by far. I find it interesting how you compared it to a Royal Oak I feel the same way great bracelet but it misses on fit and finish in comparison and their movement is trouble. They are redoing the RO in a year or 2 with a totally new movement...I just hope the fit and finish are pushed up a notch as well for their price point.
+pennfootball71 Thanks 😊 Not sure if you've seen the new AP RO Power Reserve but I think the "Up/Down" and fonts are very poorly executed compared to the previous version. If that's a hint at the next AP, I'll be steering clear.
Watch Hobbyist The new movements are not out yet...It will be another year or 2. The fit and finish of the case and gold screws is always all over the place though...It is weird I never saw 2 a like. The Royal Oak Offshore is also all over the place. I mean for Patek Money you should get at least consistency.
Nice video mate
I didn't like this at 1st but when I saw it in person wow I definitely changed my mind and it's definitely my next watch
I was the same, I know exactly what you mean
[12:47] "When I bought the watch, I was really rushing..." You're awesome. :-)
Haha thanks
This is the number one aspirational watch for me. Thanks for the detailed video.
--Michael
Thank you, that's a serious compliment
I like how the dial looks brownish at some angles or when reflecting light colored objects. You’re right, it is understated but very refined and elegant
Thanks for mentioning that the reflective coating is on the underside. I don't really know how it works, but it's good to know it works even when applied to the underside, I wonder why you don't see that on every watch.
Around 30 watches have moved through my collection including most recently, the H Moser Streamliner. I have an Aquanaut 5167/1A coming in this year and can’t wait to experience it. Thanks for sharing.
How was your experience?
Great review, lovely watch. It was cool to hear your buying process, glad your happy with the watch!
+ThelMaverick135 Thanks, appreciate it 👍👍😊
I fell in love with the aquanaut since it first appeared, being a lot more robust looking in the early model 5165 ( ant this, i love) I would love to have both the 5167a AND the 5165 original aquanaut. I find the 5165 a lot more sport and diver looking, and the 5167 a lot more refined. And now everybody is going nuts about the blue 5168 in white gold, which i find absolutely amazing, but its a different beast. Call me romantic and old fashioned but if i had to choose id go for the original 5165 as a keeper, since its the original and also, i believe, as sport and robust as patek will ever get. Loved your video and review.
Sorry, the original version is 5065..in jumbo version. The truly original version was the 5060 in 36 mm
I think the 5167 is hard to beat, but what would the world be like without choice? :-)
I absolutely enjoyed this review thank you..,you convinced me I was buying the right watch .., everything you said was spot on !!!.,well done it really is a great watch
I didn't think that anyone could love this watch more than me. It's the perfect, do anything, go anywhere watch imo. Best of all, it's a Patek which is thin, sporty and elegant all in one. I've owned every Rolex there is and sold them all b/c of the thickness, flashyness and overall in your face look that only Rolex can deliver. This is the stealth wealth, luxury piece that needs not to be flashy or impress anyone except the owner. I will take this over a Sub or Daytona C anyday of the week and it is a keeper forever. To the haters, I would suggest trying one on b/c saying the 5711 is better. I agree the 5711 is also a great piece, but the tropical strap and the dial on the 5167 is something to behold in person rather than a bunch of poor photos....
+John Bostrom You've summed up my thoughts after three weeks perfectly John
John Bostrom Your thoughts mirrors mine, I am leaving the Rolex, Panerai, IWC camp. The more I learn of the Patek 5167, the more I feel at home.
John Bostrom Ehrenmann
Is this a better investment compared to a Rolex Meteorite though?
I made a huge mistake of selling this last year. I'm literally trading in a few items to get it again. I will never sell again.
I'm buying the bracelet this time too and of course the band. I still have the green and brown.
The biggest thing about it, was the weight. Soooooo light weight.
I bought the bracelet version and intend to get the additional rubber strap with its clasps
Thanks for the detailed review. I have been tempted to become a "one watch guy", sell all my Rolexes and get one of these. Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr both wear this watch but then they can easily afford one. Pure class!
+Colin Leaford This could actually be great for that scenario, although I'd recommend a g shock for when you need the time but could trash the PP 😊
Colin Leaford dont sell your rolexs!!
Just discovered your channel. Why didn't i find this earlier?! Great informative video. Subbed and notifications are on, looking forward to your other contend.
Thanks and apologies for the late response and lack of videos of late. I do have more coming.
Beautiful watch! Congratulations!
Thank you for this very nice review.
Thank you for the kind comment Mauricio
Just subscribed excellent in-depth review. Just added an AP RO to my collection and now considering adding this patek, AP and pateks are on another level above Rolex I’d argue.
What a beautiful timepiece! Thank you for taking the time to walk us through a detailed look at the watch. I appreciated every minute of the review. In your opinion, do you know if this is suited for smaller wrists? - I have a 5.75" wrist. You are also the first reviewer I have seen who has explained how to size the Aquanaut - this was very insightful!
Thanks Nick. I actually think it would fit fine. If there is an issue it would be with the way the strap meets the lugs, as with fixed straps like this, they can sometimes sit oddly. However you could always fit a leather or Nato strap to avoid this, but I doubt you would need to really. Glad it helped :-)
Fantastic review - so thorough. Congrats on a fantastic watch! Enjoy it in great health.
Andre 1,000 i
Nice review, subscribed
Great review! The best I've seen. And the watch...well...LOVE IT.
Haha thanks so much! Really appreciate that :-)
Thank you for you review, I am looking at the 5167 aquanaut to be my next piece. I enjoy your presentation from a watch hobbyist point of view, and I like the images along different angles, it's like having the watch in my hands. In future reviews, I suggest seeing a time lapse clip on the date roll over and hear the sounds of the rotor.
I really enjoy your channel, man! Keep up the great work!
Thanks Brian, it's comments like this that really keep me going. Thanks so much :-)
A wonderful review - thank-you very much.
I very much like this watch, and have been waiting for one to become available in Australia.
I just love the quality and the understated appearance of the watch.
You will love this watch
It's a great watch. I bought one from Hour Glass in Melbourne last year. I had to wait three months to get one.
g ride, so, did you get one?
This is the first Patek I have liked! Excellent choice, it looks amazing. I am super jelly.
+Christopher Taylor Thanks Christopher 👍👍👍
Looking into getting a 5167, tried it on a bracelet and the rubber strap... I'm still on the fence.
This was a great review. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on it. You got a new subscriber! 👍
+daltonjr Thanks, really appreciate that. I'm "testing" the rubber strap in 35 degree Celsius heat currently. It's so far comfortable and I'm not going to scratch it like I would the bracelet. Also a lot cheaper on rubber
Rubber all the way - if you absolutely must have a bracelet, you'd be so much better-off buying the Nautillus; The Aquanaut was designed to be taken way less seriously.
Great review.. love this watch!
Way out of my league but a lovely watch and really good review
Thanks David
I will say this is d absolutely stunning design watches I ever seen,greatest piece👍👍👍🤩
Excellent, informative review - thank you! I have 2 questions: 1). Do you still own this watch? And, if so, do you still wear it and appreciated it in the same way?
2). You mention selling your Daytona to help fund this purchase. Can I ask how you did this? I am interested in selling a couple of high end watches, but am unsure of the best way to sell.
Thanks
Stunner!
Super review as usual. First it was the TinTin, now you got me thinking!! The movement is superlative and love the versatility. Most importantly, it is understated unlike the Daytona you sold. Good for you, enjoy.
+Larry Banda Thanks Larry, totally flies under the radar. It's more stealth bomber than F-16 😊
Ah gotcha lol gorgeous piece actually have an opportunity to get one this week if things play out in my favor will see .
+Peter K Cool lmk how you get on
Great review! Thanks 🙏🏻
incredible watch - I have always admired this model but have not seen in person yet. I need to check one out some time.
great choice.
+Captain Zed If you ring around, you may find one. Well worth looking into but look at it in natural light. The jeweller lighting kills it.
Fantastic watch, excellent review - thank-you
Pleasure, happy new year
Thanks for this review. It's got me thinking I need one these! The rubber strap looks nice, and would be the one I'd gravitate to over the bracelet, but, ughh, it would scare me to cut my rubber strap during the sizing process! Wish they offered another rubber strap option with that beautiful deployant. Honestly, don't know if I'd have the guts to cut it myself, you're a brave dude!
+Anson Tsugawa It was weird lol but they're easy to adjust, you just need patience. The dealer will also happily do it; if they mess up I'm sure they'd cover the cost of a new strap. I was just rushing so I cut it myself 😬
Your taste in Watches is quite exquisite. Wear it with pride.
Thanks Maynard :-)
Congratulations on your purchase. Wear it in good health.
Thanks for the kind words as always Bob
I know what you mean regarding telling the time. I had a black dial silver hand watch and at times it was difficult reading the dial.
Time legibility seems to be an afterthought these days. Silly really.
Lol I know, it's mad. There's a Bremont with black case, black dial, black markers, black hands etc. I honestly don't know how people read it. I think Omega have a Ceramic speedy the same as well.
Thanks for the great review
Getting mine this week. Scared to size it by myself lol.
Lovely watch, interesting and complex case design. Wear it with pride and good health
Thanks
Great review! I agree with eco8gator - only people who don't own it and never even held it in their hands say stupid things about the Aquanaut. For me ist has been the exit watch for more than five years and most of the time my daily rocker and it was not the first PP I owned. What amazes me is the light weight of the whole composition of strap and watch that makes you forget about wearing a watch most of the time - all the details you showed in the video are amazing but at the end of the day I forget about them. Go on with those reviews...
+Michael Günter Thanks Michael. It's such a great thing to own, still love it 😊
good review, I had one of these last year and im about to grab the rg/chocolate version!
Great choice, congrats
Hello watch Hobbyist, I made purchase decisions based on your Ceramic Daytona and Patek Aquanaut reviews. I can since see that you sold these and your Antique Daytona. What high end watches are you rocking now? Miss your high end reviews.
Gorgeous watch! I love this one a lot and one day it will be mine = )
+Anthony M Yes I was very impressed with it 👍👍
I'm starting to love these.
It's an awesome watch, why not :-)
very good review. Totally agree with you..
Thanks
Beautiful watch , I would love to purchase one . Funny that you mention that the crown is upright when closed, I have a white dial 116500 ceramic Daytona, this is the only Rolex watch I have seen in my lifetime that with the crown fully closed, the crown sits straight up.
Yes it's extremely rare. Completely by chance on the Rolex for sure
love the watch ! Congrats :-)
Thanks :-)
outstanding video !!!!
Thanks :-)
Great review; I subscribed . It's funny, those who say ignorant things about this watch are typically those don't own the watch... The bezel on this watch attracts scratches but scratches won't cause a watch to leak. On an older version I have found...I have found it to be ever bit as durable as other Swiss options. Regarding the hacking...it doesn't matter I find the watch to be very close to where it was first set after over a week of wrist time.
Enjoy the watch, it's a good versatile piece. A blue 5711 would be a good companion:)
Thanks, the 5711 looks interesting, but I doubt I'll be going for one; really happy with how versatile the 5167 is :-)
Day back twenty years before, the selling price was just about $7000
and years before that, houses in the UK cost hundreds of pounds, not hundreds of thousands :-) It's just the way of the world :-)
This is the Jumbo i believe. If so i very nearly pulled the trigger on one last xmas. It's a beautiful looking piece which feels great on the wrist. The reason i walked away is because it isn't really a sports watch. It's far too delicate to be considered as such. Beautiful piece all the same.
Hi Stephen, that's the correct model, but this is no delicate watch. If you've seen my review of the vintage Daytona, that's the definition of delicate. I was terrified of wearing it and damaging it. The 5167 so far has felt incredibly robust; easily as wearable as any Rolex etc. I don't foresee any issues at all, but I have a watch that's super thin and lightweight.
Unfortunately as much as i like the piece it's just not for me. Congratulations on your new purchase & i wish you well.
Thanks :-)
my dream watch
Man, I've got 5960 1a
but after watching this
I want to get 5167~~~~
Well that's not such a bad predicament :-)
Great watch!! Do you have any tips for getting a Aquanaut? My dealer doesn´t even put me on a waitinglist.
I would call around as many dealers as you can. Some may want you to purchase jewellery etc though as well
What I don't like about it is the date wheel. It should be black with white numbers. At this price point date wheels should not be a simple white which clashes with the dial.
I didn't like it previously, but now I have the watch, I find the date wheel is incredible easy to read. Manufacturers never fully match the date colour to the dial, unless everything is black, so I personally hate that even more.
+Watch Hobbyist I hear what you're saying, but for this watch and with that dial I think they could easily have matched it. Unmatched date wheels and dials are a huge pet peeve of mine.
The thing I've realised is that non-complicated PPs are about function as much as form. This is THE best watch I've had. Reading the time and date is what a watch is about, and there's never been an easier watch to read in my watch box. You're entitled to your opinion, but sometimes, little details stop people buying something; little details that are exaggerated on huge computer screens and really don't mean a lot, if anything in reality.
+Watch Hobbyist you are certainly entitled to your opinion as well. Great review, by the way. I don't know if I will ever go for a PP. I would rather sink that money into those money pits known as cars ;) However with age comes maturity and with maturity comes more refined tastes, so perhaps The future will hold surprises.
Thanks. I'm also into cars, very much, but I just wish they held their value the same as watches!!
Getting mine tomorrow! How do you feel about the watch all these years later?
fantastic looking watch
+Jack Naylor Thanks Jack 👍👍
Great piece indeed and review, but as you mentioned when you spend this kind of money you would expect more, in my case a hacking feature. And you can get this in a smaller thickness. My JLC ultra this which is less than 8mm has this feature. I hope the new Nautilus introductions later this year will include these features.
Is your JLC 120m WR? 😊
Very nice piece though, if I may so, I'd find it hard to justify letting go of ceramic Daytona for just about any watch out there, especially as you were one of the lucky few who managed to nab one at retail price!
Possibly something I'll regret but it's in the past :-)
very helpful video!
Thanks, glad it helped :-)
I get the crown guard on the Nautilus, but that "ear" on the other side I just can't tolerate. So for me, I prefer the Aquanaut
Yes I agree. I also prefer the way the Aquanaut sits on the wrist as it's less flat.
Can I ask why you sold it?.. mine is coming back from a service at Patek soon and I mean to keep it - but I’m on waitlist’s at Vacheron and AP - so may one day need to decide between the Patek and a different luxury watch..
I want to love the watch but cant imagine it working with chinos and brown shoes. Thoughts on that?
I think you'd be surprised at the versatility of such a watch
Very nice and complete review. Just a couple of things that you don't seem to address: 1. servicing costs and intervals? 2. availability?? were this one and the 5711 more readily available 2 years ago? my understanding is that now you have to put your name on a list and wait god knows how long... cheers!
Servicing is around £900 and every three years or so is the recommendation. This and the 5711 are now pretty impossible to buy.
Well done. Thanks
Thanks Brett
How small of a wrist can pull this off without the rubber strap flaring out to much? 6,6.25 or 6.5 inches
So the Patek Website says it’s water resistant up to 30m but you said 120m??!!
Personally if i got a Patek, i wouldve gone towards the dress category. However your collection may already have a dress installment in there that im not aware of, so i support your decision :]
+Ryan Jones-McCarthy Thing is, I don't really go for the full on dress watch thing right now, so something like this more than suits my needs. I am considering a calatrava though as I'm now a bit hooked on the quality of this brand 😬😬😬
Aaaah. See i believe in a strong balance. I wear a two tone TAG Aquaracer as my everyday beater. And a lot of people might say that TAGs are quite quaint these days due to the whole seiko movement issue, however i find it good as a everyday watch. But i have many omega geneve dress watches aswell. A patek dress watch is a big dream for me haha.
AP quality is very bad...a lot of movement, pusher/crown and date issues....not worth the list prices...talking from experience
Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it :-)
Man your review just made me buy this...Kudos to you ....
Haha shame I don't get commission!!
Amazing review. The best I've seen by far. I'm thinking about getting my first PP and the 5167A. It's nice to know that the fold-over clasp is comfortable, as well as the strap. I wore many fold-over/deployant clasps that were quite uncomfortable (sharp edges, odd shaped, etc.). How does the 5167A fit a thin 6.5 to 6.75" wrist in terms of looks and comfortability?
+walds11 Hi, I have a 6.75" wrist so I'm sure it'll be as comfortable as it was with myself.
Thanks! Now I'm deciding if I want to plunk down that kind cash or not. If so, I'll be going pre-owned. I found a full set with purchase date on the papers 8/2015 at a good price. These seem liquid and like cash in the bank at the right price.
Yes definitely. I actually sold mine but I miss it a lot. It's a stunning watch. However, selling it was not an issue at all really. It's a desirable watch and there's a waiting list at the end of the day.
Thank you so much for your review as always - this is definitely my grail watch but it’s kind of hard to find it now. I’m going to sell my Daytona 116500 and the GMT BLRO in order to sponsor this one but I just can’t find one at list price :( - how did you managed to get it? Thank you once again
I bought a 5960 and 5712 and one GS and JLC
then get a 5167-1a at MSRP
is it about time you done a state of the collection video?? congratulations on your purchase btw
I would like to but I've avoided it for various reasons. I also talk for 14 hours about one watch, can you imagine how long the video would be with several of them?! :-D :-D
lol fair enough!!😆
oh my god, the shot of the watch wet...
I find rotor noise really irritating. I think on a Patek it would put me off the watch entirely. My dad has the geophysics JLC and that thing makes more noise than a late 90s PC fan. Even my Hublot Unico movement makes less noise and I can hear the watch beat from a metre away. I do like this but I'll definitely have to put one on now to see. zero adjustment on the strap is also a nono for me, my wrist size changes quite significantly.
BTW which watches did you have that were running 12 seconds off a day? Not even my ten year Tag ran that badly.
+V Cccc my AP ran at 12 secs and was under two years old. The rotor noise on a valjoux isn’t nice, but the noise on the Aquanaut is great. You need it or you forget you’re wearing a watch. The strap is no issue for me. It’s flexible and extremely comfortable. I’ve worn it outdoors on a cold day, then a few hours later in a hot, sweaty environment and it’s been ideal. No need to flip clasps etc etc
What is the lug-width, what's is the actual daily-summing average?
I think its better to get the grandmaster chime
I thought the Aquanaut didn't have AR coating? Are you sure?
Hi, great review. Please may I ask did you buy new? What is the normal waiting time in the UK, and do you know the recommended retail price from an AD? I see there are examples on the secondary market, but they seem expensive. Thanks.
Apologies for the delay. I bought new and was lucky to find in stock, but I expect this will be impossible now with the secondary markets as they are
I don't get it. If it had any other name on it, no one would look twice. I had one on at the dealer and thought it wore very small and the bezel literally screams, scratch me. For the same scratchability, I'd go for a Royal Oak.
I think you need to own one for at least a week to understand this watch. The detail is greater than any RO I've owned and the thin case wears incredibly well. In the time I owned it, and wore it for a few months, I did not scratch the bezel.
Thanks for the great review. May I ask what's your wrist size pls?
+Larocharmmm T Sure it’s 6.75”
+Watch Hobbyist... Really interested in buying this watch, absolutely love the look, but I have one question about the strap; does the clasp allow small incremental adjustments or do you cut it exactly to size and that's it? Since this is one of those "lifetime" long watches, I'm concerned if I lose/gain weight, do I need to buy a new strap? Also, just curious, do you still own this Aquanaut? Thanks for your help!
The strap cannot be adjusted at all, but it's rubber and it has some extra "give" if necessary
it's a beauty
I have just got this watch, very small ,not much feeling to it personally , I was slightly disappointed
Hi, how long did you have to wait to get the watch?
80 with the bracelet ?
steel patek is so good
Have you considered a leather strap w a traditional tang n buckle?
Before I bought it I did, but now I have it, the rubber just seems to suit it perfectly.
just sold my grail watch (AP ROO FC) last night and have a 15400 blue dial on bracelet, & pam643 on white/black python, thinking the aquanaut would be great for bicycling and swimming on the rubber then pop in a black horn back or croc and make it the dress watch
I honestly think you'd be surprised how versatile the rubber of the Patek is. It's a little bit shiny, so it doesn't look dull etc. Let me know if you go for it :-)
Who wants to hear the rotar!