Everything in Its Place varies across sets and not saying it needs to be perfect on a cheap set, but that track presents a specific experience that needs to come through as good as other sets at the price point.
The last part was really helpful, because i was acutally looking for IEMs that feel more like "in my head" instead of stage. It's super hard to describe it with words. When the music feels like it's in my head (maybe even originating from the center), it will stop my brain from thinking and i can fully focus on the music instead.
@@PaulWasabii I did EQ my M50x to get this effect. It's super easy to hear both, but that's only because i have brain damage. That changed my hearing. It's great for music, but horrible in public, when there're more than 3 voices around me. I was able to tune the M50x to a point where i hear the vocals in the center of my head and the rest sounds like stage from the outside. Blessless from Tielle works perfectly as an example for that.
Tried the OG Zero's , K-Bear KS2's , Moondrop Chu 2's , and QKZ-VK4's . The Zero 2 's were better than any of those imo . The sound is detailed ( enough ) and very nicely balanced .
Great review and I really enjoy your style. In depth yet digestible. Paul, besides the Legato (which improves a lot and becomes a full spectrum beast when you use a pure quality silver cable and open bore JVC spiral dot tips to bring out the highs and air), which basshead set delivers great stage? I also enjoy the Rinko, while not a huge stage, one of the most holographic and unique sets I’ve heard, with that DD/mini planar combo. Have you had a chance to try the Symphonium Meteors? Excellent warm and smooth set. Does everything well, including stage.
Haven't tried the meteors but I like the newer planars Hidizs MP145 and Kiwi Melody. Not basshead, but that warm, bassy sound. I'd rather EQ a planar than try to find a DD that can do the same amount of bass. The XSL X-One with the Dark Magician driver and a couple different tunings is up there though. I am not a huge basshead though, more of a stage snob. I like planars and I like to hear everything so even with MP145 and Melody, use tips that don't emphasize bass so I enjoy what planars can do. But they have quite a bit of bass without EQ.
Is this a good option for hiphop(I also soemimes listen to pop,rock and so i meed vocal clartiy). I had commented in your reciew of cca raphsody that i needed a iem somewhere around 20-40 dollars for hiphop and gaming. You had recomended 7hz slanotez zero for gaming and a 50 dollar delfine for hiphop but i can onlt buy one and 50 dollars was a bit too much... Do you think since this is a bass and mid boosted 7hz salnote it eill be good for both gaming and hiphop... I also had comcerns regarding the fit of this model and male vocals. Id appreciate it kf you are able to reply to my queries, thank you.
yeah its fine. Here is the issue, more bass doesn't help spatial cues in gaming so that is why the original 7hz Zero is more popular. But that set isn't good for hip hop. Zero 2 will do both with that caveat, more bass isn't more better.
I was excited for the zero 2 but after seeing the graphs I decided not to get it since its pretty much tuned the same with other sets that have been here for months now. I just opted to get the castor silver edition for $10 to accompany my og 7hz zero.
The problem with iems right now is that you have to spend a lot for the little better.Under 500 dollars you get an " ok set ".My only hope is KZ to make a serious breakthrough in the future because they are getting better , all the others are asking too much for too little
Yeah I don't like most of the $100-350 range. You are paying a lot of money and still a big gap to $500. You are typically better off spending less than more.
@@PaulWasabii we agree Paul.. Recently I bought NDH 30 and wow what a bass..My 150 $ iem don t even come close.I can hear the leather of the drum at the lower registers..Which iem under 500 $ can do that???
You can go either way, Castor Bass is more V shaped in that there is more bass and more treble. Zero 2 is perhaps less energetic but still fun. Some people get fatigued with more treble so Zero 2 works. Some people just want more bass as their music is less treble intense so doesn't matter.
Hi guys! I've got two iems: a v shape and a warm one. I want a bright analytical signature since I found I enjoy this sound and I want to add a third to my collection :3 Any recommendation under 50?
The original Zero, with less bass, has a strong personality. I have one. This new version with improved bass maybe better for a basshead like me, but put the Zero in the same scenario of dozens of others. Isn't, Paul?
Yeah I said something similar. The original stood out more, maybe like Chu, but there weren't a large pack of sets that were similar at time. Zero:2 is right in the middle of the pack with the changes as described by Crinacle. At this price point and 1DD drivers, it is real hard to stand out.
Hello Pau, I need you to answer quickly before Cyber Day ends. I commented on another post asking whether the Cadenza or the 02 would be better for me, and you suggested going for the more economical option. Now, I want to know if it's worth considering the Tin Hi-Fi T2 DLC, which is slightly more expensive but within my budget. I don't use a DAC, so I want to know if it would work well without one and if the extra expense is justified without using a DAC. Or do you recommend sticking with the 02? There's less than an hour left, so I hope you can respond quickly to help me make a decision. Thanks, Pau.
Sorry, missed that. Cyber week ended but there are other sales coming in December so hold on to your wallet. And no, I would not spend extra for T2 DLC, maybe Moondrop Lan. Even the Kinera Celest Wyvern Pro is a good starting point.
The two are close, Zero:2 snuck in a bit more subbass, Wan'er might sound a hair brighter. You can flip a coin or go with the cheaper option as they are both good sets for starting out. Wan'er is very popular and I like the look of Zero.
Definitely agree about the sub bass. It honestly ruins alot of songs for me when there is alot of subbass, i like the midbass over sub bass style for iems.
Its a shallow fit so you do need to work the tips quite a bit to get them right. No one wants to hear that on a $20 set as they want it to just work out of the box
I never heard ZS6 but these sound like many popular sets from the past year. I call them generally appealing where KZ back then may have been more bass, more treble style. This is more balanced and natural.
Simgot tends to be brighter, Zero:2 went less bright more bass. If you were to listen to them back to back, Zero2 probably sounds bassier and EW200 bright, but they have the same bass levels. Just how Simgot tends to tilt the treble up so moves the balance slightly bright.
Yes, I briefly mentioned this on Facebook. You can almost cover both Zero and Zero:2 bass shelves with Polaris. But yes, these all sound similar but I do like the flexibility of Polaris and its upper treble which was toned down in Zero:2. If you are on FBook: facebook.com/groups/hopesanddriams/
You need to qualify that..the under $25 are more like flavors, this one has quite a bit of bass and relaxed treble. That will work well on long sessions. Other people like more energetic sets like CCA Polaris. Either is a good place to start
The cheaper one. If you want a slimmer bass line, the Wan'er. As I said, these are all quite close so I would go with the lower end of the price range and Zero:2 is right there.
Hello Pau, I need you to answer quickly before Cyber Day ends. I commented on another post asking whether the Cadenza or the 02 would be better for me, and you suggested going for the more economical option. Now, I want to know if it's worth considering the Tin Hi-Fi T2 DLC, which is slightly more expensive but within my budget. I don't use a DAC, so I want to know if it would work well without one and if the extra expense is justified without using a DAC. Or do you recommend sticking with the 02? There's less than an hour left, so I hope you can respond quickly to help me make a decision. Thanks, Pau.
Yes, you can look at it both ways. Some didn't like the original so will like the 0:2. Just different sets vs improving the 1st. They should have called it an edition vs 2.
The Zero 2 rather closely follows the HBB tuning target (yet with a lot of additional deep sub bass) and not the Harmon 2019 in-ear tuning target which many find to be too bright in the upper midrange and the lower treble.
Great review Paul, atm I am still digging this Ziigaat Nuo set. Thanks for posting.
Very timely review as I've ordered mine. Thanks for taking a look.
How are they so far?
Everything In The Right Place is always one of the first tracks I play on new sets.
Love that song
Excellent breakdown you killed it as usual🤙🇺🇸
Everything in Its Place varies across sets and not saying it needs to be perfect on a cheap set, but that track presents a specific experience that needs to come through as good as other sets at the price point.
The last part was really helpful, because i was acutally looking for IEMs that feel more like "in my head" instead of stage. It's super hard to describe it with words. When the music feels like it's in my head (maybe even originating from the center), it will stop my brain from thinking and i can fully focus on the music instead.
You can probably EQ other sets with less upper treble and have them go inwards. You are a step ahead of most people if you can hear both
@@PaulWasabii I did EQ my M50x to get this effect. It's super easy to hear both, but that's only because i have brain damage. That changed my hearing. It's great for music, but horrible in public, when there're more than 3 voices around me. I was able to tune the M50x to a point where i hear the vocals in the center of my head and the rest sounds like stage from the outside. Blessless from Tielle works perfectly as an example for that.
Great review as always thank you Paul!👍👍👍
Tried the OG Zero's , K-Bear KS2's , Moondrop Chu 2's , and QKZ-VK4's . The Zero 2 's were better than any of those imo . The sound is detailed ( enough ) and very nicely balanced .
Zero 2 is basically for people who didn't get along with Zero 1. Chu and Chu 2 are basically the same idea.
Thank you Paul.
Paul, if you switch to widebore eartips (such as TRI Clarion), the 10Khz region will go up. Just FYI.
Larry i know its you:)
@@bladecupYup.
I didn't go that wide, but yeah, the included tips aren't wide enough and didn't use them.
8:40 BIG agree with you Paul, and that's what I like from the Castor black, the Dolce, and the NRA
Exactly, once you appreciate how it sounds, you look for it.
Nice detailed review 👌
I still love my 7hz zero 1.
Pls try to review ZiiGaat Nuo..
Nuo is too close to the Zero:2.
Nice review.
Great review and I really enjoy your style. In depth yet digestible.
Paul, besides the Legato (which improves a lot and becomes a full spectrum beast when you use a pure quality silver cable and open bore JVC spiral dot tips to bring out the highs and air), which basshead set delivers great stage? I also enjoy the Rinko, while not a huge stage, one of the most holographic and unique sets I’ve heard, with that DD/mini planar combo.
Have you had a chance to try the Symphonium Meteors? Excellent warm and smooth set. Does everything well, including stage.
Haven't tried the meteors but I like the newer planars Hidizs MP145 and Kiwi Melody. Not basshead, but that warm, bassy sound. I'd rather EQ a planar than try to find a DD that can do the same amount of bass. The XSL X-One with the Dark Magician driver and a couple different tunings is up there though. I am not a huge basshead though, more of a stage snob. I like planars and I like to hear everything so even with MP145 and Melody, use tips that don't emphasize bass so I enjoy what planars can do. But they have quite a bit of bass without EQ.
Is this a good option for hiphop(I also soemimes listen to pop,rock and so i meed vocal clartiy). I had commented in your reciew of cca raphsody that i needed a iem somewhere around 20-40 dollars for hiphop and gaming. You had recomended 7hz slanotez zero for gaming and a 50 dollar delfine for hiphop but i can onlt buy one and 50 dollars was a bit too much... Do you think since this is a bass and mid boosted 7hz salnote it eill be good for both gaming and hiphop... I also had comcerns regarding the fit of this model and male vocals. Id appreciate it kf you are able to reply to my queries, thank you.
yeah its fine. Here is the issue, more bass doesn't help spatial cues in gaming so that is why the original 7hz Zero is more popular. But that set isn't good for hip hop. Zero 2 will do both with that caveat, more bass isn't more better.
I was excited for the zero 2 but after seeing the graphs I decided not to get it since its pretty much tuned the same with other sets that have been here for months now. I just opted to get the castor silver edition for $10 to accompany my og 7hz zero.
Castor Zero Silver is the leaner, cleaner sound. Perhaps closer to the original Zero. Zero:2 is similar to lots of sets as you said.
I would reccomend tampering with the noise floor of your microphone to reduce that quiet hiss in the background.
The problem with iems right now is that you have to spend a lot for the little better.Under 500 dollars you get an " ok set ".My only hope is KZ to make a serious breakthrough in the future because they are getting better , all the others are asking too much for too little
The kz castor silver harman edition is pretty good, it's like $10 right now.
That's the RnD price for what you expect to be good. its same as other electronic you have like GPU and stuff
Kz really? No work ethic. Dishonest company.
Yeah I don't like most of the $100-350 range. You are paying a lot of money and still a big gap to $500. You are typically better off spending less than more.
@@PaulWasabii we agree Paul.. Recently I bought NDH 30 and wow what a bass..My 150 $ iem don t even come close.I can hear the leather of the drum at the lower registers..Which iem under 500 $ can do that???
hell yea
I'm someone who prefer the original Chu with xelastec eartips vs the 2 one, and I am afraid the same will happen with the salnotes zero 2...
I listen to mostly hip hop and rnb music... Would recommend this over the kz castor ?
You can go either way, Castor Bass is more V shaped in that there is more bass and more treble. Zero 2 is perhaps less energetic but still fun. Some people get fatigued with more treble so Zero 2 works. Some people just want more bass as their music is less treble intense so doesn't matter.
Chu 2 va zero 2. Which is more balanced and natural sounding , and focuses more on music than vocals ? Please suggest
Those two are very close, in the same way Chu 1 and Zero 1. Zero 2 is more balanced. But if you wanted more energetic vocals, that is Chu 2.
Hi guys! I've got two iems: a v shape and a warm one. I want a bright analytical signature since I found I enjoy this sound and I want to add a third to my collection :3
Any recommendation under 50?
Best one is Simgot EA500 and if that is out of budget, their EW200
Thank you Paul, I was considering them. I'm getting them then
TRN Conch.
The original Zero, with less bass, has a strong personality. I have one.
This new version with improved bass maybe better for a basshead like me, but put the Zero in the same scenario of dozens of others. Isn't, Paul?
Yeah I said something similar. The original stood out more, maybe like Chu, but there weren't a large pack of sets that were similar at time. Zero:2 is right in the middle of the pack with the changes as described by Crinacle. At this price point and 1DD drivers, it is real hard to stand out.
Hello Pau, I need you to answer quickly before Cyber Day ends. I commented on another post asking whether the Cadenza or the 02 would be better for me, and you suggested going for the more economical option. Now, I want to know if it's worth considering the Tin Hi-Fi T2 DLC, which is slightly more expensive but within my budget. I don't use a DAC, so I want to know if it would work well without one and if the extra expense is justified without using a DAC. Or do you recommend sticking with the 02? There's less than an hour left, so I hope you can respond quickly to help me make a decision. Thanks, Pau.
Sorry, missed that. Cyber week ended but there are other sales coming in December so hold on to your wallet. And no, I would not spend extra for T2 DLC, maybe Moondrop Lan. Even the Kinera Celest Wyvern Pro is a good starting point.
@@PaulWasabiiThank you, Paul, I will keep that in mind.
How would you compare with the Tangu Waner? Which is one better to get between this and the waner?
The two are close, Zero:2 snuck in a bit more subbass, Wan'er might sound a hair brighter. You can flip a coin or go with the cheaper option as they are both good sets for starting out. Wan'er is very popular and I like the look of Zero.
thank you@@PaulWasabii
Is there a USB-C version of Zero 2 available ?
Not yet is what I heard. I had asked about mic cables too. They are working on options, just weren't ready for Zero:2
Funny that you mention if this is maybe your 1st or 3rd IEM... LOL, more like 200th or 300th.
I probably meant someone else's first or 3rd ;)
Definitely agree about the sub bass. It honestly ruins alot of songs for me when there is alot of subbass, i like the midbass over sub bass style for iems.
Yeah I am not sure why they took it that far, in my head I know what it would sound like with subbass dipped a bit.
Im excited to get these for ps5 gaming. What you think?
Yep, Zero is more popular but Zero 2 gives you more bass.
is this iem good for basshead? low budget
Yes, they are more like bass boosted rather than basshead. KBEAR Rosefinch is the cheapest basshead style
@@PaulWasabii thanks for ur reply. what about kz castor bass vs kbear rosefinch?
Any basshead iem suggestion
Juzear Clear, KBEAR Melody, KBEAR Rosefinch, KZ Castor bass are all recent sets with bass and not too expensive.
do u think the zero 1 mecha edition looks better than zero 0?
The Mecha edition is nice looking as you can pair it with a red cable for a unique look. There aren't a ton of red IEMs so it stands out.
Chu II, D-Fi, now Salnotes Zero 2: almost the same thing.
Salnotes Zero is very uncomfortable for me, then Zero 2 is a pass.
Its a shallow fit so you do need to work the tips quite a bit to get them right. No one wants to hear that on a $20 set as they want it to just work out of the box
How the sound compared to Kz ZS6 ?
I never heard ZS6 but these sound like many popular sets from the past year. I call them generally appealing where KZ back then may have been more bass, more treble style. This is more balanced and natural.
@@PaulWasabii ok noted, thank you Paul
How would you say they compare to Simgot EW200?
Simgot tends to be brighter, Zero:2 went less bright more bass. If you were to listen to them back to back, Zero2 probably sounds bassier and EW200 bright, but they have the same bass levels. Just how Simgot tends to tilt the treble up so moves the balance slightly bright.
What sound signature?
Bass boosted Harman style
I noticed these graph quite similar to the Polaris in the 1111 position. did you notice similarities in the sound?
Yes, I briefly mentioned this on Facebook. You can almost cover both Zero and Zero:2 bass shelves with Polaris. But yes, these all sound similar but I do like the flexibility of Polaris and its upper treble which was toned down in Zero:2. If you are on FBook: facebook.com/groups/hopesanddriams/
Is this best under 25 dollars?
You need to qualify that..the under $25 are more like flavors, this one has quite a bit of bass and relaxed treble. That will work well on long sessions. Other people like more energetic sets like CCA Polaris. Either is a good place to start
@@PaulWasabii thank u. I am not asking about tonality flavour wise. I am asking about sound quality and built quality wise.
Does it come with mic?
I don't see an option for a mic cable.
is the shell vented????
There is a front vent they use to control bass
I need this so I can put a waifu on it!
I look forward to the Waifu-enhanced Zero:2 review
Kiwi ears cadenza or 02?
The cheaper one. If you want a slimmer bass line, the Wan'er. As I said, these are all quite close so I would go with the lower end of the price range and Zero:2 is right there.
Hello Pau, I need you to answer quickly before Cyber Day ends. I commented on another post asking whether the Cadenza or the 02 would be better for me, and you suggested going for the more economical option. Now, I want to know if it's worth considering the Tin Hi-Fi T2 DLC, which is slightly more expensive but within my budget. I don't use a DAC, so I want to know if it would work well without one and if the extra expense is justified without using a DAC. Or do you recommend sticking with the 02? There's less than an hour left, so I hope you can respond quickly to help me make a decision. Thanks, Pau.
why not cca polaris also ??@@PaulWasabii
Moondrup Chu 2 or 02
For me, easily 0:2 as I didn't like Chu 2 much. In the Moondrop familiy, I still like Lan more than Chu, Chu2, and Aria 2.
@@PaulWasabiiThank you, Paul, I will keep that in mind.
it comes without microphone like chu 2 so sad for budget gaming ...
True, I let them know the demand is there. I am not sure they have one tbh.
Meh the original 7hz Zero was just ok. Don’t see the fuss. The Truthear Zero was much more of an achievement, all things considered.
Two different listeners. Knowing that a set isn't for you goes a long way to not chasing a bunch of sets that won't work for you.
@@PaulWasabiiamen.
making it another V shape is so sad and Crinacle calling it the best under 20$💀
Crin meh as always.
I think he delivered what people wanted back then but the market doesn't stop refining and improving either.
not gonna lie, the zero: 2 measurements look worse than the original...
Yes, you can look at it both ways. Some didn't like the original so will like the 0:2. Just different sets vs improving the 1st. They should have called it an edition vs 2.
11:03 stomach rumbling or u fart?
Stomach, I literally ate right after I hit stop. Probably farted about 30 mins later.
Pass. I dont need yet another Harman tuning set in my collection
The Zero 2 rather closely follows the HBB tuning target (yet with a lot of additional deep sub bass) and not the Harmon 2019 in-ear tuning target which many find to be too bright in the upper midrange and the lower treble.