Basically ruined HHF’s career and then if I recall Jordan built shit-box after shit-box until Eddie sold the team to someone who sold the team to someone.
@@aggerktm I agree on that also. The 2000 and 2001 were less competitive, but the potential those cars had was notorious. For me, 2002 was just the point of no return. Even we can consider that at the moment Honda screw them up and fired HHF before the 2001 German GP
@@mindujiman ye in 2001 they were up there in the mix with Williams McLaren & Ferrari. they just didnt manage to convert it into podiums let alone wins because of driving errors & reliability issues
Eddie Jordan said in a interview that he was forced to fire Frentzen just to please Honda, making a room for Sato. In that time Jordan and BAR were fighting for the Honda Engines. EJ regreted, but he said that he was never against Heinz.
I never got that logic. Why not fire Truli then? Jarno was leaving anyways, he had a deal to move to Benetton (which was becoming Renault) in 2002. Why get rid of the driver who might stay and was a totem to the team for Jarno? Cause Jarno never out performed Frentzen in the 1.5 years they were partners. Faster on a single lap sure but not in a race.
Meodread "Cause Jarno never out performed Frentzen in the 1.5 years they were partners" Trulli outqualified him 10 out of 11 races in 2001. He also scored more points in 2001. Sorry, it was clear Trulli had more pace and was 27, whereas Frentzen was 34 and past his prime. If he really was as good as some claim he was then top teams would have wanted him, or even decent teams. As it were only Arrows had a spot for him in 2002 and by 2003 Sauber pretty much offered him a retirement drive.
Matt P thanks to Honda and Sato being replaced by a terrible package of Ford and Ralph Firman after that. But at least it meant BAR could stop paying a huge amount of money on Villeneuve’s salary after 2003 cos Sato tested that year then took the 97 champ’s seat the following year in 2004
Eddie Jordan was hardly a team boss who inspired confidence......all about money for him... Frentzen really didn't deserve that, nobody really knew why it happened at the time.
Frentzen was brilliant in 99, but the combination of poor reliability and some terrible mistakes by both Trulli and Frentzen during 00 and 01 undermined the team for good. However, the current corporate monopolies that run f1 now would have ruined Jordan anyway - and did.
its a bit more complicated. yeah he was phenomenal in 1999 but also got destroyed by his then-teammate Villeneuve in 1997 and scored less points than him in 1998 again so...
But then still at the end of 2002, Honda decided that they only wanted to supply BAR in 2003, which led to Sato moving back to his test position at Brackley (which later culminated in him taking Jacques Villeneuve’s seat at the end of that year) which meant Jordan had to settle for Ford power and Ralph Firman to replace Honda and Sato, a terrible combination
Sato and Alonso in the same sentence, fast forward to this years Indy 500. Honda still blowing up. The more things change, the more things stay the same.
along with Lotus sacking Heidfeld, one of the most stupid things an F1 team has done regarding drivers. This was the end for Jordan ignoring Brazil 2003.
This is ridiculous. Replacing a driver who had massive talent with a driver who has no place in F1 is just disgraceful. like everyone else in the comments, this is one reason why jordan F1 had started to slowly go into decline, despite the fact that they claimed a few podiums in the hands of experienced-somewhat experienced drivers. Its just a massive loss, really.
First came this, second is switching to ford engines and bad drivers, and last is their own funeral despite the fact that monteiro claimed their last podium at the fucking 2005 race
+Cbr 3 Frentzen was sacked, because he had criticized the direction the team was heading up. Prior to the sacking it was announced that Sato would drive for the team in 2002 to satisfy Honda, who wanted Japanese driver in of the BAR or Jordan cars.
It is not true. Hill retired two times. First after Japanese 1998 and second in middle season 1999.. Eddie wanted him because Damon was excelent test driver.. Eddie Jordon wouldnt let Hill..
I can see the crowd in the grandstand hissing and booing at the Jordan team and the signs says Jordan go home Heinz come back and Eddie Jordan I hate you HHF 4 ever
Eddie said in an interview from 2015 that this was the beginning of the end for Jordan because HHF brought 2 massive German sponsors that were pumping millions into the team and unsurprisingly they didn't remain in 2002 and if you look at the results from Germany onwards Jordans results with Zonta were no match for Frentzen.
@@jacobmassey3897 That isn’t quite true. DHL and Deutsche Post became title sponsors for 2002. They had a rapid decline though, built too many unreliable cars and couldn’t keep up with the manufacturer era
@@martinbirks I was aware of the DHL sponsorship. Apparently Eddie was asking for too much from them to keep their sponsor deal in 2003 and from then on the team didnt have a stable title sponsor.
everyone was furious with Jordan because they want frentzen to take part in hockenheim race but instead Zonta the test driver at Jordan was here for one race and Jordan failed to finish the race Zonta retired after the collision and trulli retired after hydraulic failure
And that was the same year where trulli got fired by Renault and moved to Toyota after panis announced his retirement from racing and his seat was taken by 1997 world champion Jacques Villeneuve for the remaining 3 races of 2004
And Jordan Grand Prix never recovered after this. Ron Dennis called Eddie Jordan the village idiot and the way he acts sometimes pretty well goes well with that tag! Didn't like him as an owner, like him even less as a Pundit. How often has he been right with his paddock gossip. That's right. Hardly ever!
Mate, he's been closer than I think you give him credit for more often than not. Monza 2012, Eddie did a piece that Lewis Hamilton would leave McLaren at the end of the season to join Mercedes. Lewis won the race that weekend, everyone laughed at Eddie. Next time out, Singapore, Lewis drops out of the lead, that very week Lewis announced he'd signed for Mercedes. He also did a piece about the Honda Engine Mclaren parting ways, he got that spot on as well I seek to remember.
Frentzen performed minor miracles for Jordan in 1999, especially as Hill had thrown in the towel by then. Stupid decision by EJ, especially as their 2001 car was mediocre and didn't allow Frentzen to perform to his full ability
@@josiewallace7968 Exactly. HHF was a driving talent, but his weakness from listening to his "Beyond the Grid" episode seems to have been technical knowledge/skill, which is why he suffered at Williams. But then he thrived at smaller "Family Teams" like Sauber and Jordan. What he did at Jordan in 1999, against a World Champion, was extraordinary.
Yes, but if HHF ended 2001 in Jordan, he then had a valid contract with Jordan for 2002 and so Jordan won't be able to sack him, or he will, but he surely would have to pay HHF money to compensate, which is something he did not have (I mean money to compensate). So he had to fire HHF before mid season on grounds of poor performances.
And he still doesn’t know why he was sacked. Jordan was the little team that could but this was one of the initial steps towards mediocrity and eventual downfall.
@@user-mw9un8mb7o It doesn't correlate to when they put Sato in the car they put Zonta in for this race and then had Alesi for the remainder of the season. Frentzen himself still doesn't know why, he said so in his recent Beyond The Grid episode.
Hoang Nguyen when it comes to Honda and, F1 1997 maybe earlier Honda like to try to please the big bosses by trying to get a Japanese driver into F1. The thing is not many of them have been that good. For example Shinji Nakano drive for Prost in 1997. Nakano San was also going to marry the daughter of the boss of Mugen Honda. Simply put F1 politics at play." You want to use our engines, then you must do as we say".
Not everyone in Germany was/is a Schumacher fan. HHF and Michael had a pretty intense rivalry and some chose HHF's side. The majority supported Michael of course but his perfectionist attitude wasn't well received by all. Plus he had some controversial moments and was vilified even in the German media at times (Jerez 97)
Frentzen was an OK driver, was he legendary? No, he wasnt. Jordan was a great team but they just couldn't get that last push to put them into Championship contentions. They were the front running team that just got picked on by Ferrari and McLaren routinely. They got picked on by Williams and Benetton. They were always a third or forth place team in the Constructors. They always had a solid program but didn't have a supplier backing them to fully develop, unlike Ferrari, Renault, or Mercedes. Without the power to push to the front competitively, the team just faded away. Eddie Jordan did the best with what he had. It was nice to see a Yellow car back in the sport though.
Please, Jarno Trulli outqualified him in all races but one and Trulli was the more consistent points scorer in 2001 as well. There was little impetus to keep Frentzen. His star quickly vaned.
This is the same guy that had Ralf Schumacher who was one of the most overrated drivers in history.... sacking frentzen just contributed to the demise of this team.
Yes he became a championship contender for the 1999 championship but sadly a bad result in Malaysia ended his hopes of the title fight leaving Eddie Irvine and mika hakkinen to battle for the title leaving Heinz harald frentzen Finished third
Frentzen came back with Prost at Spa an qualified an incredible 4th . :)
Correction, he returned at Hungary with Prost
Which showed HOW stupid his sacking from Jordan was.
Screwed up the start though
Stupid Behaviour by EJ. To fire his most successful driver.... Before his home Grand Prix... That was the end of Team Jordan.
Yes to do it 2 days before the German GP just makes it seems a bit spiteful even though I'm sure EJ would say it wasn't.
Dif€rence of opinion$, smartie ...
@@diogopinto9462 what
@@ChrisThurgood77 Money.
Basically ruined HHF’s career and then if I recall Jordan built shit-box after shit-box until Eddie sold the team to someone who sold the team to someone.
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And the downfall of Jordan starts....
they were in trouble before even then
Sadly the downfall of Jordan started in 2000 with a less competitive and such unreliable car. Maybe even started during '99 Nurburgring
@@mindujiman tbh in 2000/2001 they still had a decently competitive car. it is from 2002 onwards that Jordan becomes a backmarker team
@@aggerktm I agree on that also. The 2000 and 2001 were less competitive, but the potential those cars had was notorious. For me, 2002 was just the point of no return. Even we can consider that at the moment Honda screw them up and fired HHF before the 2001 German GP
@@mindujiman ye in 2001 they were up there in the mix with Williams McLaren & Ferrari. they just didnt manage to convert it into podiums let alone wins because of driving errors & reliability issues
"Alonso, this young 20 year old is an exciting prospect"
Yeah. I guess he turned out to be ok. 🤔
Eddie Jordan said in a interview that he was forced to fire Frentzen just to please Honda, making a room for Sato. In that time Jordan and BAR were fighting for the Honda Engines. EJ regreted, but he said that he was never against Heinz.
Matt P yeah i remember that, fuck Craig Polloc
I never got that logic. Why not fire Truli then? Jarno was leaving anyways, he had a deal to move to Benetton (which was becoming Renault) in 2002. Why get rid of the driver who might stay and was a totem to the team for Jarno? Cause Jarno never out performed Frentzen in the 1.5 years they were partners. Faster on a single lap sure but not in a race.
I dont understand. He wanted Honda engine he hired Alesi.. Ok he wanted Honda engine, why fired HHF after season?
Meodread "Cause Jarno never out performed Frentzen in the 1.5 years they were partners" Trulli outqualified him 10 out of 11 races in 2001. He also scored more points in 2001. Sorry, it was clear Trulli had more pace and was 27, whereas Frentzen was 34 and past his prime. If he really was as good as some claim he was then top teams would have wanted him, or even decent teams. As it were only Arrows had a spot for him in 2002 and by 2003 Sauber pretty much offered him a retirement drive.
Matt P thanks to Honda and Sato being replaced by a terrible package of Ford and Ralph Firman after that. But at least it meant BAR could stop paying a huge amount of money on Villeneuve’s salary after 2003 cos Sato tested that year then took the 97 champ’s seat the following year in 2004
Eddie Jordan was hardly a team boss who inspired confidence......all about money for him...
Frentzen really didn't deserve that, nobody really knew why it happened at the time.
Frentzen was brilliant in 99, but the combination of poor reliability and some terrible mistakes by both Trulli and Frentzen during 00 and 01 undermined the team for good. However, the current corporate monopolies that run f1 now would have ruined Jordan anyway - and did.
If you'd been in his shoes, wjth pressure from Mugen-Honda to put their driver in or no more engines. And Jordan was running on a shoe-string.
The beginning of the end for Jordan. Amazing to hear Alonso be referred to as a promising up and coming driver. Hope he’s back with Renault next year!
Simon Donald you predicted it
In Hungary
This was disgraceful behaviour from Eddie Jordan, Heinz-Harald did not deserve that.
Chris Thomas Karma since his team became a backmarker.
Jordan chose his engine over his driver. In the end he deserved neither and lost both.
lol
Karma for Eddie😂
Heinz probably had a difference of opinion on his brake disc exploding and putting him in a Canadian hospital
Translation of Eddie's words to standard English: "Honda has grabbed me by the balls"
Frentzen was a legend we didn't forgont him, giving Jordan 10 podiums, 2 wins and a shot on the 1999 drivers championship, I mean.....
its a bit more complicated. yeah he was phenomenal in 1999 but also got destroyed by his then-teammate Villeneuve in 1997 and scored less points than him in 1998 again so...
Frentzen out for Zonta lollll a joke, a fuc**** joke
This was the start of the downfall of Jordan
Jordan started going downhill even before then
The downfall started in 2000
Frentzen won more grands prix for Jordan than anyone else but Eddie want to get Honda engines and he had to get Sato to do that.
mark dietrich true but could've waited till the end of the season and he did
But then still at the end of 2002, Honda decided that they only wanted to supply BAR in 2003, which led to Sato moving back to his test position at Brackley (which later culminated in him taking Jacques Villeneuve’s seat at the end of that year) which meant Jordan had to settle for Ford power and Ralph Firman to replace Honda and Sato, a terrible combination
He did it to clear the way for takuma sato and thus to appease honda, which he was on the verge of losing
Zonta was 10% the driver Harald was.
I think you're being much too kind to Zonta there.
1% more likely
more like 0.1%
-0.01%
-0.001%
Sato and Alonso in the same sentence, fast forward to this years Indy 500. Honda still blowing up. The more things change, the more things stay the same.
He had two wins with the Irish team for 99 season and the addition only victory in 97 season where he displaced Damon Hill at the Williams team
along with Lotus sacking Heidfeld, one of the most stupid things an F1 team has done regarding drivers. This was the end for Jordan ignoring Brazil 2003.
You mean when Renault sacked Heidfeld?
This is ridiculous. Replacing a driver who had massive talent with a driver who has no place in F1 is just disgraceful. like everyone else in the comments, this is one reason why jordan F1 had started to slowly go into decline, despite the fact that they claimed a few podiums in the hands of experienced-somewhat experienced drivers. Its just a massive loss, really.
First came this, second is switching to ford engines and bad drivers, and last is their own funeral despite the fact that monteiro claimed their last podium at the fucking 2005 race
+Cbr 3 Frentzen was sacked, because he had criticized the direction the team was heading up. Prior to the sacking it was announced that Sato would drive for the team in 2002 to satisfy Honda, who wanted Japanese driver in of the BAR or Jordan cars.
gee, looks like frentzen was right and that he somehow foretold the future, since jordan died out in 2005 after all those wrong turns the team made
Frentzen was just not worth the money. And Jordan had to make the move. Frentzen was really not racing well anymore in 2001
Always liked HHF ;-)
Yes for a German driver he doesn't come across as an arrogant dick unlike some others.
He had no balls to get rid of hill in the middle of 99, yet he gets rid of frentzen no bother to him at all
It was all political. B&H would have wanted to keep Damon in '99 because he's British whereas in 2001 Honda wanted Sato to get HHF's seat.
It’s the reverse - Hill wanted to go in 1999 and Jordan wouldn’t let him!
It is not true. Hill retired two times. First after Japanese 1998 and second in middle season 1999.. Eddie wanted him because Damon was excelent test driver.. Eddie Jordon wouldnt let Hill..
Jordan´s beginn of the end...
I can see the crowd in the grandstand hissing and booing at the Jordan team and the signs says Jordan go home Heinz come back and Eddie Jordan I hate you
HHF 4 ever
Eddie said in an interview from 2015 that this was the beginning of the end for Jordan because HHF brought 2 massive German sponsors that were pumping millions into the team and unsurprisingly they didn't remain in 2002 and if you look at the results from Germany onwards Jordans results with Zonta were no match for Frentzen.
@@jacobmassey3897 That isn’t quite true. DHL and Deutsche Post became title sponsors for 2002. They had a rapid decline though, built too many unreliable cars and couldn’t keep up with the manufacturer era
@@martinbirks I was aware of the DHL sponsorship. Apparently Eddie was asking for too much from them to keep their sponsor deal in 2003 and from then on the team didnt have a stable title sponsor.
Yeah
Eddie was starting to lose money
He went to Prost after the sacking from Jordan I was god smacked about that
When Jordan had the opportunity to become a big team, Eddie had no idea how to handle it. Frentzen took them to the cleaners in court.
I think the Vodafone lawsuit where Jordan lost £100m in the case was the final nail in the coffin for the team.
Such an undeserved sacking
can say that twice
They're trulli in trouble
If Eddie had been running the Haas team in 2018, Grosjean would have been fired after France.
probably right before
...and Zonta was Sh*t...
Alonso mentioned as a possible replacement. Nearly a quarter of a century later Alonso is still an F1 driver.
Racing for the team that bought Jordan!
everyone was furious with Jordan because they want frentzen to take part in hockenheim race but instead Zonta the test driver at Jordan was here for one race and Jordan failed to finish the race Zonta retired after the collision and trulli retired after hydraulic failure
if Jordan didn't sack frentzen he would be racing in hockenheim and then everyone would be cheering on him
Scott Joseph Whiley wow really
this sounds like something Michael Owen would say
Yeah if it would have happened then yes
@@CarlosTheVillan1874 😂😂
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Cristiano Da Matta Was Sacked For Toyota That Same Way In 2004 And Zonta Took His Seat For Hungary
And that was the same year where trulli got fired by Renault and moved to Toyota after panis announced his retirement from racing and his seat was taken by 1997 world champion Jacques Villeneuve for the remaining 3 races of 2004
1:32 Ted Kravitz tho
Rather yummy back then....
Don't blame Sato or Zonta, they had nothing to do with it.
Sato kinda did indirectly, it was about Honda engines.
And Jordan Grand Prix never recovered after this. Ron Dennis called Eddie Jordan the village idiot and the way he acts sometimes pretty well goes well with that tag! Didn't like him as an owner, like him even less as a Pundit. How often has he been right with his paddock gossip. That's right. Hardly ever!
Mate, he's been closer than I think you give him credit for more often than not. Monza 2012, Eddie did a piece that Lewis Hamilton would leave McLaren at the end of the season to join Mercedes. Lewis won the race that weekend, everyone laughed at Eddie. Next time out, Singapore, Lewis drops out of the lead, that very week Lewis announced he'd signed for Mercedes.
He also did a piece about the Honda Engine Mclaren parting ways, he got that spot on as well I seek to remember.
TED you looked young back then haha
hhf sacked for zonta. So how did that go?
That's why the team doesn't exist anymore. badly managed.
actually Zonta only drove for 1 race, they actually sacked HHF for Alesi.
Eddie wasn't the smartest Team Principle in Formula 1.
by far
who knows what's going on in that little idiotic head of his.
Frentzen performed minor miracles for Jordan in 1999, especially as Hill had thrown in the towel by then. Stupid decision by EJ, especially as their 2001 car was mediocre and didn't allow Frentzen to perform to his full ability
@@josiewallace7968 Exactly. HHF was a driving talent, but his weakness from listening to his "Beyond the Grid" episode seems to have been technical knowledge/skill, which is why he suffered at Williams.
But then he thrived at smaller "Family Teams" like Sauber and Jordan.
What he did at Jordan in 1999, against a World Champion, was extraordinary.
Jarno Trulli became number 11 driver for rest of 2001 and he became number 1 driver after Zonta did not continue drive.
and jean alesi was shifted to be trullis teammate and his number was 12 leaving frentzen to go with Luciano burti at prost team
If he hadn’t been sacked then he should be okay continue with Jordan and then move to Arrows for 2002 season
Yes, but if HHF ended 2001 in Jordan, he then had a valid contract with Jordan for 2002 and so Jordan won't be able to sack him, or he will, but he surely would have to pay HHF money to compensate, which is something he did not have (I mean money to compensate). So he had to fire HHF before mid season on grounds of poor performances.
Yeah he would have been
Could never work Frentzen out but going for Zonda 🤦 Eddie goes where the money is and has the lifestyle because of that
Ye! The legend! 2:08....
Frentzen did drove his home race in Nurburgring GP of 2001.
yeah
@@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329 And Retired With Traction Control Failure
And his season wasn’t going any better
And frentzen was out qualified by his teammate trulli 9 times says ted kravitz
And he still doesn’t know why he was sacked. Jordan was the little team that could but this was one of the initial steps towards mediocrity and eventual downfall.
Didnt Jordan say later it was because of Honda engines and Sato?
@@user-mw9un8mb7o It doesn't correlate to when they put Sato in the car they put Zonta in for this race and then had Alesi for the remainder of the season. Frentzen himself still doesn't know why, he said so in his recent Beyond The Grid episode.
@@Loose89 well he was maybe thinking about keeping Honda engines for 2002. Maybe it wasnt done deal
Karma for Eddie Jordan since then his team becomes backmarker, karma for Honda now they are not that good to ask for a seat for a Japanese.
Hoang Nguyen when it comes to Honda and, F1 1997 maybe earlier Honda like to try to please the big bosses by trying to get a Japanese driver into F1. The thing is not many of them have been that good. For example Shinji Nakano drive for Prost in 1997. Nakano San was also going to marry the daughter of the boss of Mugen Honda. Simply put F1 politics at play." You want to use our engines, then you must do as we say".
1:50 what about the 2 shumachers
Not everyone in Germany was/is a Schumacher fan. HHF and Michael had a pretty intense rivalry and some chose HHF's side. The majority supported Michael of course but his perfectionist attitude wasn't well received by all. Plus he had some controversial moments and was vilified even in the German media at times (Jerez 97)
Essa jordan de 2001 andava muito em reta
Frentzen was an OK driver, was he legendary? No, he wasnt. Jordan was a great team but they just couldn't get that last push to put them into Championship contentions. They were the front running team that just got picked on by Ferrari and McLaren routinely. They got picked on by Williams and Benetton. They were always a third or forth place team in the Constructors. They always had a solid program but didn't have a supplier backing them to fully develop, unlike Ferrari, Renault, or Mercedes. Without the power to push to the front competitively, the team just faded away. Eddie Jordan did the best with what he had. It was nice to see a Yellow car back in the sport though.
He chose a promise for engines instead of the current driver, instead he got neither
Please, Jarno Trulli outqualified him in all races but one and Trulli was the more consistent points scorer in 2001 as well. There was little impetus to keep Frentzen. His star quickly vaned.
Trulli outqalified Alonso as well. Frentzen's sacking was more about money and disagreements than performance.
Jordan later apologised to Frentzen as he fired him solely for financial reasons.
Is that Ted
It’s his dad
It was actually David Hobbs in his younger days.
A very young handsome Ted 😄
This is the same guy that had Ralf Schumacher who was one of the most overrated drivers in history.... sacking frentzen just contributed to the demise of this team.
Eddie Jordan was the Pewdiepie of the 90's. Everything for the sweet monies!!
Young ted ❤
Eddie Jordan was a creep.
Only wanted money once he stopped getting lucky in 2000.
Ted hasn’t aged a day in 23 years
HONDA
How is Frentzen the best ever? He won three races and never claimed a title.
He was Jordan's most successful driver. I had to rewind that part too as I also thought I heard what you heard.
Yes he became a championship contender for the 1999 championship but sadly a bad result in Malaysia ended his hopes of the title fight leaving Eddie Irvine and mika hakkinen to battle for the title leaving Heinz harald frentzen Finished third
Yeah he’s got 3 wins like Johnny Herbert mate
@@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329 but Herbert had a 1995 Benetton (one of the best Cars, if not the best) Heinz was much better
the most succesful driver ever? okay......
...for jordan, obviously
hah okay...
He won more grands prix for Jordan than anyone else.
Dave Mustaine he said THEIR...
"HHF the most successful driver ever" a bit far fetched...
think they meant to say most successful Jordan driver
?
Think before you comment
Tim Eriksen I think he meant to say “their”!
sometimes people drink;-)@@SuperMafia864
Nah, he wasn't that good. Stop lying to yourselves.
Nah, he wasn't that good. Stop lying to yourselves.