Avoid these mistakes in the Gold Room! (Mahjong Soul)
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2024
- Why you are stuck at Expert rank (Mahjong Soul)
This video is meant for Mahjong Soul players who are stuck at the Expert rank, and want to understand why. However, the concepts here can be applied to all rooms (Bronze/Silver/Jade/Throne).
Game log submission form: forms.gle/drnhzN2TCL3yD6Gs9
00:00 Introduction
00:38 1) You fold way too easily
04:20 2) You don't anticipate future danger
07:17 3) You don't build value in your hands
10:56 UA-cam Streams - Ігри
One warning sign you didn't mention is "middle tile rainbow". whne the opponent discarded middle tiles of all 3 suits you really have to start tracking that opponent closely and be wary
I'm still an adept, but these insights are very helpful! I realized that I've been playing 'to not lose' instead of 'to win.' Play with courage, not with fear!
I'm in adept 3 and did that and I keep losing. I'm almost down to adept 2 again :(
@@laurasanya Got to choose your battles. Especially against dealer riichi's. Unless its the last round and I'm in 4th, I will always fold. The advice is mostly for those who are always finding themselves in third place.
I see. I guess I'm just really unlucky then XD@@mr.horseshoe2301
Glad I could provide examples for the third point :v
Thanks a lot for making this video! I already had a surface-level understanding of these concepts, but seeing them explained in detail with hand-picked examples definitely helps understand them much better.
Thanks for the video! I'm hoping to climb out of Expert rank so I hope your advice helps. Wish me luck!
I can recognize things like this eventually, but the time crunch in this game is just too real.
Practice makes perfect!
I really appreciate the video, most mahjong advice videos are just repeating general tile efficiency and learning to fold. Most of this video was new info for me.
This video came to me in the perfect time
Been feeling rather down and it's actually because of all 3 problems you mentioned lmao
Thanks for the advices, gonna try working on it
Excellent advice!
Great video.
Really hard to strike a balance in any of those because mahjong is such a deep game, but it's good to always be wary of those common mistakes. Like, I can be not too worried about dealing in, but this has lead to me to be too reckless as well.
Had a fun mistake yesterday where I won a hand with a baiman because I wasn't paying attention. I went richii from discarding the 9p in a 6-7-8-9p sequence, but I realized right after that all my sets had terminals/honors. If I had discarded the 6p instead, it would've been sanbaiman from the chanta. Not a terrible mistake, but a pretty annoying one.
what an informative video! another masterpiece by xanxust youtube!
Thank you!!!
Ahhh, called out on all 3 RIP. Even to the point about feeling like I was unlucky and getting tsumo'd to death. Definitely some more risk and reward to think about!
duck always deals in. while not exactly stuck at expert due to having only 20+ games in gold (while at ex2), this will probably be helpful while trying to rankup :) (1 months later, i am certified hardstuck ex3)
Edit: Ranked up few weeks ago, good advice!
I wish I watched this video while struggling in Master, in fact I sometimes asked myself how I end up in Master! Thank you!
another good warning sign is if an opponent in the tedashi "danger zone" like 4-7 tedashi then suddenly tsumogiri for many consecutive discards.
i've folded to many hands that have this pattern in live games and people think you can read their minds.
reality check oof😭
while me and my dumbass still getting stuck in bronze room lmaoooo
I just started out so I have no idea what terms like fold, push, and deal-in mean
Would you happen to have a vid explaining those terms?
Fold = abandon your hand's chances of winning and discard only safe tiles
Push = ignore safety and keep discarding dangerous tiles, while aiming for your own victory
Deal-in = you discard someone else's winning tile and they win off you
I talked about it in more detail in the later half of one of my vids (Mahjong Techniques Explained #4) but it's a bit more on the advanced side!
10:08 there is not that much difference between 1000 points hand and 2000 points hand. I would drop 7m there but I won't be so fixated to keeping a dora
I'm in adept and i keep loosing whenever i turn into 3 stars. And I had enough because i kept loosing and still stuck in adept
Probably some fundamentals that you haven't fully grasped yet. Keep at it, you'll get out of Adept eventually
I just finished a game and I won Mangan with 3 Richii in the game.
Gonna have to challenge the example at 5:30.
The player had just tossed a 1p. Yes, the opponent had just thrown the dora tile and is threatening honitsu (or I guess chanta), but if they were waiting on 1p, chances are very good they could have called chi or pon last turn when 1p was discarded the first time. In fact, no matter what they drew the turn before, they absolutely could have called chi and been in tenpai but chose not to. That seems like a mistake to me because getting themself into tenpai is ideal.
To not throw the second 1p and instead basically full fold (can't toss anymore circles or honor tiles?) after your FIFTH turn requires you to assume that they not only just got into tenpai last turn, but they got to tenpai in a way that now has them waiting on 1p when they weren't a turn before (or they made a mistake and didn't call the turn before when they should have), and you happened to draw exactly the tile they need immediately.
I think the 1p toss here was completely reasonable given the circumstances.
This was a rare situation where the stars aligned. Not an example of poor decision making.
Thanks for your comment. I analysed this game log on stream with my friend who was the runner-up for IORMC 2020, and we both reached the same conclusion. Feel free to skip to 3:03:36 for our breakdown on why the 1p cannot be thrown:
ua-cam.com/video/lxShMi4RDXk/v-deo.html
To summarise, there are a few factors to consider here:
1) All of his discards were tedashi tiles (cut from within his hand, instead of tsumogiri discards)
2) 3 of his tedashi tiles were a set of 446s
3) He has melded honor tiles twice
4) He has just overflowed the dora 7p
5) my subscriber is in 1st place by a huge margin, which means he can afford to fold the hand
If not for points 4 and 5, I agree that it would still be reasonable to toss the 1p here. But given points 4 and 5, pushing the 1p is taking an unnecessary risk for no reason. Yes, his opponent's hand was exceptionally good to be in Honitsu + Chanta tenpai on Turn 5, but the deal-in was definitely avoidable.
(To add on to point 1, you can track whether tiles in MJSoul logs are tedashi or tsumogiri based on the colour of the tiles in the discard pool, brighter tiles are tedashi while darker tiles are tsumogiri)
This hand is way too far from tenpai and requires dropping too many sus tiles vs this shimocha. Might as well stop taking risks now. That dora drop is too sus.I'd be leery to drop 1p here even if 7p wasn't dora tbh
3:45 Wait, how can you chii the 6p from that position? I thought you can only chii from the person to your left.
6p was just discarded from the player on my left
@@Xanxust1 I don't know how I missed that detail before! Obviously it was as you say cause the riichi tile is still there after you did the chii. Thanks for clearing that up!
Well maybe you can read my logs if you don't mind (im an adept though :'v)
Maybe you can give me some advise
Well it's 100% correct
I'll try so many times to not folding
Not seems to work
So folding easily suits me better
With calculation of course
*what would you expect from luck only 29 :'v
But im all agree with your explanation
It's not wrong
Just not suitable for me (in fold section)