Agreed. Although the people pushing labels, I don't think they're Left. If anything, they're a distraction from real Leftists issues of affordable housing/education, health care, livable wages, etc. They don't talk about any of that. They're a tool of the establishment so that nothing will actually change.
I'm not gay myself, but I've heard several comments from rainbow folk saying that they were completely turned off by this movie in concept. Not because it wasn't gay enough, as Gore puts it, but exactly the opposite. Being gay is not synonymous with being a raging activist or participating in wild orgies. The movie is trying waaaay to hard to prove its gay credentials and instead it just shows the audience a Californian caricature of homosexuality. If some fuddy duddy christian production presented gays as orgy-having activists everyone would have a conniption fit, but because this film is framed as "for the gays" somehow it's totally fine to engage in shallow stereotyping. It is bizarre. I do take some small amount of comfort in the fact that even the mainstream media felt it safe to criticise Eichner for his tone-deaf attempt to shame the straights into seeing this movie.
It's not necessarily a definite indicator, though. I added pronouns onto a social site I'm on, but only because I thought at the time I made the account it was a mandatory part of the process. It annoyed me quite a bit until I found out otherwise, and then I just felt stupid.
Before the executive producers at Universal green-lit this film and agreed to spend over $50 million to produce, promote and distribute the film, did they take a moment to question if there was $50 million worth of audience who would want to see it?
If their decisions were based purely on financial factors, their actions seem inexplicable. Once you realize their goal is to get a twisted ideology into the mainstream no matter the cost, then it all makes sense. Make no mistake: that is their agenda.
This movie does not represent the "Alphabet" Community. That being said, this is why many of us despise the "alphabet" community and don't allow it to define us!
Great point about words, labels, and hidden meanings. I hope the rush to rewrite history and the current direction of this country by innuendo, misinformation, bullying and strong handed media tactics, won't cause this "cause" to receive more push back than they claim already exists.
It's would be a win-win for those pushing these agendas either way. One way they get to reinforce the evil other and victimhood of the "cause" or if the "cause" has success, it will continue on its path. This "cause", along with other "marginalized" groups are just a tool, nothing else.
Gun, That is such a GenX thing, no labels. I love my Generation and I think the millennials and Gen z to an extent have boxed themselves in with their labels.
There is no "cause" just a bunch of irredeemable monsters who wrongly thought that they'd already amassed enough power (through lies, deception and propaganda/indoctrination) to safely drop their masks and reveal how awful they actually are and what their covert malicious plans always were. Fortunately, they miscalculated; and society now has a chance to try and save itself.
When I saw the trailer the first thing that popped into my head was "This looks stupid." That's as much thought as I put into it and I'm glad to hear that was as much thought as I needed to put into it.
It seemed to me to be a love story about the Bobby character falling in love with himself. Not surprisingly he is also the writer and actor. The Aaron character was eye candy with no real reason for being except for the Bobby character to bounce quips and other things off of. Tedious and preachy.
I remember seeing the Red Band Trailer for this in Late July when I went to go see Elvis. After watching it the thoughts in my head were “OK this is either gonna be dumb fun or woke shit”. And then when September came around I went to go see 3000 Years Of Longing, which I recommend, it makes you feel the runtime, but I recommend it. Anyway I saw the official trailer for Bros when the previews were playing and as soon as I heard those last two lines my immediate thought was “Well that movie’s gonna bomb”.
What I have always liked about you Chris is that you go into every movie/TV show with an open mind and heart. You give your honest opinion, but you don't start out prejudging something. I don't always agree with you, but I don't think you are the kind of guy that is looking for validation, which is cool. Keep it up man. (I still will roast you if I think it is a bad take, but I know you can handle it, and that is what nerds do. 😉😁)
This is the kind of review i was looking for. There are a million reviews trashing this movie and theres like 2 that are beyond raving saying that if you're offended then dont see it and shut up. I wanted an honest review without trashing but over praising which comes off like someone was paid pretty handsomely for it. You are are a terrific critic.
cis- and trans- are chemistry terms. the functional group is either cis- (same side) or trans- (opposite side). It just identifies the position of groups of atoms on a chemical structure.
I think the Midnight's Edge analysis hit the nail on the heat. Straight white guys don't like romance movies (romcoms or otherwise) and won't go to them unless dragged to them by their wives or girlfriends. They (we) won't go to Bromance movies either.
Straight men in general don't like Romantic Comedies. Asian, (especially) Latino, black, and of course, Middle Easterners wouldn't be caught dead watching that movie.
Brokeback Mountain brought in hetero viewers. I'm sure someone can crack the code for a comedy. Frankly, there have not been many comedies at the cinema in a long time. When was the last hit comedy?
Last hit comedy? Tropic Thunder or Team America? There aren’t any comedies anymore because most film writers are in their positions because they’re non white or non hetero. Period. They have no life experience, no talent. And you can only ridicule white men. So there ya go.
Undertale. Multiple gay/lesbian couples, at least one non-binary character, and a lot of straight people don't mind that because they are written as people first before being their sexuality.
I really respect Chris' approach to all of this, it's a very complicated subject with a lot of room for hate but I think Chris has done a great job in explaining the "hoopla" around this movie without leaning too much into one side.
At my most open and accepting, I think I would be cool with two gay men establishing and growing within a committed relationship. But this movie wants to jump into the idea that a multiple partner relationship is totally normal and acceptable. And maybe it is in gay culture? I really don't know. Extremely difficult to relate to in any way. I guess it's because there is a history of thousands of years of human history advancing via heterosexual bonding between opposite sexes. The film comes across like heterosexual bonding is "wrong" in some way? Which is strange because gay people were birthed from a heterosexual bonding. I guess it was just too tone deaf in the end.
My Older and Younger Brothers are gay. And they didn’t seem all that keen about the movie either. And it is certainly not for me too. You win some, you lose some!
‘Bros’ bombs at weekend box office " Billy Eichner blames straight people for failing to show up " " The much-hyped new film “Bros,” touted as the first gay romantic comedy produced by a major Hollywood studio, bombed at the weekend box office, bringing in just $4.8 million, about half of the $8-10 million prediction for opening weekend. "
Blaming straight people for not attending an explicitly gay film, where not only the plot a is about gayness, but the plot be is too, is like blaming vegans if the launch of a new burger joint is a flop. Not engaging with something is not an act of hate, at best it's an act of tolerance and at worst it is an act of indifference.
@@kathycoleman4648 neoprogressivism is a cult, full of hypocrisy and projection. Its pretends to be about tolerance but really its about supremecy and group think.
@@kathycoleman4648 The opposite of love isn't hate; its indifference. But that's what the woke crowd fears most. If you hate them or their products at least you're paying attention to them and treating them differently. But what they dread more than anything is going unnoticed and being treated just like everyone else.
Imagine if that was the marketing for "Brokeback Mountain" 🙄 This trend of insulting the audience is so weird... If you tell me this is not the movie for me in your trailer, then why do you insult me for not watching it? 🤭🤭🤭
My grandmother came out in 1948. She was interested in having equal rights for partnership and family NOT to Display Kink and Sex 24/7...she was disgusted by the direction the movement went and said the pendulum would swing back hard, if the constant push of sex and kink didn't move toward stable relationships. We don't have strippers pushing for kindergarten story time and wearing bdsm gear walking around infront of children. I'm glad she wasn't around for terms like terf being lobbed at older generations to become the norm...
I feel like all of the promiscuity is really holding the gay community back. For example as a person who is and who knows many people on the opposite end of the social/political aisle. I know that a lot of more conservative and even evangelical types don’t really have much of a problem with gay people at face value (these days unless they are claiming to be Christian). The problem comes when people see pride parades that look like orgies, sexual content being pushed on young kids, and any criticisms of the community as a whole being labeled as “homophobic”.
@@thedukeofchutney468 I'm actually Christian and Conservative. We don't care what adults do in the privacy of there homes. It's not until kids are pushed into Any sexual lifestyle, that I get upset. Don't bring your bedroom to the living room and I have no reason to be upset. We all have freewill. We aren't taught to hate the sinner, we're told to hate the sin. That "sin" is no greater than the sin of say...greed, wrath, or sloth. But we're also taught not to be a stumbling block. It's a fine line to walk and full of self understanding that None of us are able to be Christ or we wouldn't need Christ.
The big mistake was Billy going on social media and told everyone who wasn't a raging " WOKE " Gay SJW to stay away from his movie. And when the film bombed ( like a tact nuke ) Billy turns around and blames the same people whom he told to stay away for his movie failure.
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Even IF this were a good movie (somehow), who in their right mind would go and watch this in the theaters? It sounds like soft core porn. It blows my mind how this doesn't have an NC-17 rating based on what I'm hearing.
The Critcal Drinker, Red letter Media, Jeremy Jahns, Chris Stuckman and now Chris Gore of Film Threat.. anything you folks have to say about a movie tends to be the truth. So this film was no Dallas Buyer's Club or Bohemian Rapsody, or Philadelphia or Brokeback mountain..
Chris Gore was on his best behavior with this review. I saw one review was every 4 minutes an f bomb was thrown on this movie. P.S. I started a story telling podcast called Midnight Train to Sleepy Hills. The podcast is on Spotify and Apple Podcast, and I would appreciate any new listeners!
Gotta disagree with you man, I'm gay and this looks way too gay for me. That's the problem with it, not that the characters are gay, because the movie is gay. From the trailer, I can't imagine anyone could complain it's not gay enough.
I'm a gay man, you couldn't give me enough money to watch this movie! One thing that we have in common with our straight brothers is that most gay men don't 'do' Romcoms! Now a theatre release of Indiana jones raider of the lost arc and could easily get, oh 20 gay men that I know who'd be interested in seeing that.......
I checked the credits and no Chinese company was involved, it would get banned in China, anyways. Toho (a Japanese company known for making the Godzilla films and anime like Your Name. and My Hero Academia) did, however, send money to make this. They also make and co-produce films that the woke crowd would not like such as Top Gun: Maverick, Shin Evangelion, Wolf Children, and Shin Godzilla.
The film was a co-production between Universal and Toho. Most Universal films since 2009 have had help from Toho, and Universal-Toho's relationship goes back to the '60s, when they made King Kong vs. Godzilla and King Kong Escapes. They would later make other films together, such as AKIRA, Man on the Moon, and Children of Men.
Around 10 to 15 years, if a person commented on someone's sexuality the response would be why are we talking about this? Now it must be put front and centre. Being Cis Gendered mean your gender identity matches the sex you were "assigned" at birth.
12:10 > introduce kids to gayness? I fully agree. It must follow naturally as they grow up. Answer their questions with no 'pearl clutching' reaction; move with the topic in age-appropriate steps.
Who are they to out a president if he was? Yes, Lincoln destroyed a room when his roommate left BUT that roommate was rich and paid 90% of their bills and they had been best friends for years. We know the same rumors were out there about Lincoln as Female Hookers sooo bisexual At Best...
Back in the 1990s/2000s, radio show host & actor Phil (Team America) Hendrie portrayed a gay character on his radio show named Doug Dannger, where he constantly inserted the word "gay" into virtually everything he said, "As a gay man and a gay journalist...you know I'm gay, right?" and the callers would say "Yes I know you're gay, you mention it every five seconds!" and it was hilarious. I get a similar vibe from Billy Eichner in his movie only, without the laughs.
Cis is actually a chemistry term. Which makes me wonder how it ever got attached to sexual orientation. (Well, cis and trans are opposite atomic orientations in molecules so maybe that's how, but still kind of weird).
Chris, the word cis is not made up (unless you consider all words made up). It's Latin for 'this side of', as opposed to 'trans' which means 'across the divide'. Speaking as a European, from my perspective I am located cis-atlantic while you as an American are located transatlantic. It would have been pronounced Kis, like Julius Caesar would have been pronounced Kaiser. These words have existed for millennia, the alphabet community just appropriated them.
I interpreted in the sense that Chris is referring to the concept of Cisgender. Cisgender means that one identifies with the gender identity that was assigned to them at birth. Up to 10 years ago, biologists knew and were willing to say openly that sex isn't assigned but observed at birth, and there are two sexes: male & female. I don't subscribe to the concept of gender identity. At the end of the day, if other people do thats up to them.
@@tommysmith7031 Yep. Plus trans activists appropriated the phrase “assigned gender at birth” from Intersex people. They often have ambiguous sex organs so parents or doctors would have to guess the child’s gender and it wasn’t always correct.
My thoughts: Straight guy here. Known gay people *all of my life* my Dad's good friend in middle America came out to him when my older brother was born (and sadly, at that time in the 70's told my Dad he'd understand if he wasn't allowed around anymore... obviously my parents dgaf). I've worked with or been friends with flamboyantly gay people & "normal" gay folks (you know what I mean). First, for me, my wife, my friend and his wife (who's brother is what I would classify as non-flamboyant gay & monogamous). My friend and myself are *revolted* by watching dudes make out. So, in movies/tv shows where that happens I usually look away or grin and bare it. The girls, pretty much same thing tbh. Seeing it rated R and knowing it had orgy scenes was a 100% not a chance I'm going or my friend, or the wives. None of us care that people do this... but it's offputting at the least and revolting at the worst. Funny enough, we all agreed... lesbians making out, especially if one is "hot" was perfectly fine for all of us. Second, I've seen tons of RomCom's where sex/nudity isn't a thing. If this movie had the PG-13 rating. Sure, I'd give it a go. I've watched tons of RomComs with my wife of 20+years (who I've been with for nearly 30). We were discussing how many were R rated (for sex/nudity). We couldn't think of many. I don't understand why this RomCom had to be filled with it... moreover, why he would shame people for not going since it was clear sex scenes & orgies was a thing in the movie. Third, I know "normal" gay couples. Gay guys who not only don't participate... but don't approve of the sexually promiscuous/hook up culture and are annoyed that everybody thinks that's normal for the gay community... though they understand why. I haven't asked them what they think of this movie. But knowing them... they wouldn't go and they'd be annoyed that *this* was the first gay romcom in mainstream theaters nationwide. So, it may be a good movie. But no way I'd go. I'd also assume there is no way monogamous gay couples would be cool with it easy. They can see "porn" whenever they want.
All right, Gore, you redeemed yourself after saying you liked the first few eps of She Hulk🤣 Your tirade about avoiding labels and appreciating people for who they was spot on and something a lot more people in this country need to settle on. I don't care wear you like to stick your parts or what your politics are; if you are an entertainment maker, don't preach to me, just make a good story.
I'll probably skip it like Love, Simon. Good writing, directing, and acting will find an audience, even if the leads are men in love. Brokeback Mountain, for example.
Love, Simon wasn't thaaaat bad. I watched it with my mom. The main character was likable and he did have real internal conflict. You could see the "propaganda" sometimes, but it did try to respect its characters
I'm gay. Went and saw it with two gay friends. My boyfriend refused to see it. We laughed regularly at it. I cringed really hard at parts. I was very uncomfortable with the main character grand standing to the mom / teacher. Of course the movie was loaded with "the message" (tm). Overall the movie was "eh" ... I wouldn't watch it again, and I would not recommend it to my normie friends, nor my non flamie friends.
Excellent vid! From your description of the gay sex scenes, it sounds like Billy Eichner was trying to "push the envelope" with respect to how much gayness would be acceptable in a mainstream film and ran into a brick wall. Mainstream films that include gay characters will be open about two dudes being in a relationship but be very restrained about their actual sex lives. Maybe you'd see two guys walking around in bathrobes "the morning after." As a heterosexual male, I have to admit that while watching the trailers, the scene where Billy and his beau are kissing in the park made me somewhat uncomfortable. Anything more intense than that would really be too much for me. The bottom line is that most straight males just don't "get it" with respect to gay male relationships and especially gay male sex. (OTOH many straight males might sit through films featuring lesbians and might shamelessly desire to see sex scenes so long as both females are attractive. I have no idea if the same applies to straight women and gay male sex scenes.)
As a straight man, I cannot see myself in this movie. So, according to the logic of the woke crowd that I must see myself in movies, this propaganda movie will not appeal to me. And since I'm not gay, I'll give it a hard pass!
Chris, can you see if you can get The Robot from the Craig Ferguson Show as a co-host, your show is great, but that little change would make it so much better.
First off: I find it humorous that this grandstanding travesty of a film failed to even make back the 5 million in it's opening week that was such a plot point in the film. Don't know why, that just tickles me. Second: I can think of at least two gay dudes who would not have made it into that museum, Jack Donovan and Hadrian. Jack because he would call Billy a fairy and whup his ass for even associating him with this virtue signaling, and Hadrian because... Well, if you know, then you know.
Billy blames straight people for not seeing it but it been mostly fay people who aren’t wanting to see it. Straight people (including me!!) didn’t even know about it till these reviews lol.
caught this movie on streaming. Eicher's character is beyond annoying and I don't think he's intended to be so unlikable. The love interest was the only good character. If they were looking for a mainstream audience they should've toned down the sex scenes and not lean into gay community stereotypes so much. Think a rom-com that had a less annoying lead, and didn't pump the LGBT NYC ideology so much would've done better. There's this weird "Lincoln was gay" thing the film just couldn't let go of. Even other characters say there is no real proof of this, yet Eichner keeps insisting he's right and the movie wants us to be on his side. So strange.
Yep. The other gay characters are logical and stating clearly hey, we don't have enough evidence to claim Lincoln was gay and he has a literal meltdown and blames it on roid rage. These same peers are suspiciously uber tolerant of Bill Eichner's hysterical Bobby character. His boyfriend is so trying to make it work and he keeps whining "But you don't waaaant me". If he didn't want you, he'd have left you - period. I laughed 2 times in the first 18 minutes, once close to an hour in and than it went downhill superfast. The scene with the Mom was so awful, and him talking about 12 years old seeing graphic sex simulated on stage was just no, dude. Just stop. PLEASE just stop. Not to mention his woe is me shit when he was given privileges out the ass. Published author. Head of a museum with no MA in Fine Arts or History. 5 million in funding. Hot boyfriend. I mean...who else is living this life? Sure as hell not me, lol.
I'm gay and this movie seems "too much" for me. You can have a gay movie -- even one where being gay is a central part of the theme -- without being obnoxious about it.
A great review. I feel the same way. Billy On The Street is hilarious, I love that show. Buttttt I also have no interest in this movie. It's a gay movie for gay men. Plus I kinda hate rom-coms anyways. I also found the trailer to be incredibly stereotypical and purposely insulting. I know a couple gay dudes and they are definitely not like that.
Your average straight male or your average normal male female couple. Are not going to go see this movie there's no chance you're going to convince let's say your boyfriend if you're a girl to go see this raunchy gay romantic comedy. The minute they start showing a gay orgy he's going to say WTF I'm leaving the theater. I mean there's no way in hell you're going to convince Joe six pack to go see this movie. Hey I have to edit this I live in Baltimore and I've gotten to meet spend some time with John Waters. He's an incredibly intelligent hilarious wonderful man. I have absolutely nothing against the gay community this movie just sucks LOL. No pun intended.
Dude's gonna be askin' here what she's watching online when he's not around, lmao. There are a lotta chicks who like and read or watch m/m fan fiction or anime. But gettin' the bf in on that? Uh, no. Yikes.
A film with a gay couple at the centre as well as a person of colour (British Indian) as the lead plus racism is My Beautiful Laundrette (1985). Appealed to straight audiences because it had great plot and cinematography.
Billy Eichner, in response to a woman who says she's just seen a movie about a blind, deaf girl: "Oh, God, no" (walks off with disgusted face.) - as seen on UA-cam, Billy on the Street: Best Moments.
I’m sure they thought straight women would go since we are the audience for romantic comedies. If I was still into those, I still wouldn’t watch it. They clearly think I’m over in the trailer. So I will keep my so over money and not go. Rom cons don’t have a whole sexual scenes either. Honestly, it’s been years since I saw one. I guess this old married lady just prefers comedy.
It's disappointing this film didn't turn out well, because the concept is certainly not doomed from the start. I haven't seen it myself, but I can say that I hate it when a movie misunderstands sexuality, what it means to people, and how people engage with it. I'm bi, but my sexuality is not my whole personality. There are people who let their sexuality solely define themselves, and frankly, those people are repellant to me. Bros sounds like it falls into this trap, so it wouldn't interest. Chris brought up John Waters, who I also love, as a person and as a director. His movies are gay and appeal to LGBTQ+ people without pandering to them. In fact, some of them are even a welcome challenge, most notably Pink Flamingoes.
I am also from that generation where the far left used to say, "Why you gotta label everything man?" Strange how that notion did a 180
Agreed. Although the people pushing labels, I don't think they're Left. If anything, they're a distraction from real Leftists issues of affordable housing/education, health care, livable wages, etc. They don't talk about any of that. They're a tool of the establishment so that nothing will actually change.
I'm not gay myself, but I've heard several comments from rainbow folk saying that they were completely turned off by this movie in concept. Not because it wasn't gay enough, as Gore puts it, but exactly the opposite. Being gay is not synonymous with being a raging activist or participating in wild orgies. The movie is trying waaaay to hard to prove its gay credentials and instead it just shows the audience a Californian caricature of homosexuality. If some fuddy duddy christian production presented gays as orgy-having activists everyone would have a conniption fit, but because this film is framed as "for the gays" somehow it's totally fine to engage in shallow stereotyping.
It is bizarre. I do take some small amount of comfort in the fact that even the mainstream media felt it safe to criticise Eichner for his tone-deaf attempt to shame the straights into seeing this movie.
I have a feeling that no matter what time in the movie you start watching you'll be reminded somehow that they're gay within 1 min.
True! Hey wools would lose their shit if anyone else portrayed gay orgy/hookup accurately but it’s okay when he does it.
I'm gay, and I agree completely. I am NOTHING like the stereotypes.
If that Billy dude cast Lemmiwinks and gave him co-star billing, he could have pulled alot of SouthPark Fans
@@odotawaissaku3755 Me too brother!
"Too Gay to Turn a Profit: The Movie."
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I LOVE ❤️ Pronouns, it tells me exactly what I need to know about the mentality of that person and how I shouldn't get invested.
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It's not necessarily a definite indicator, though. I added pronouns onto a social site I'm on, but only because I thought at the time I made the account it was a mandatory part of the process. It annoyed me quite a bit until I found out otherwise, and then I just felt stupid.
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@@thecoffeesloth Well stated!
Before the executive producers at Universal green-lit this film and agreed to spend over $50 million to produce, promote and distribute the film, did they take a moment to question if there was $50 million worth of audience who would want to see it?
If their decisions were based purely on financial factors, their actions seem inexplicable. Once you realize their goal is to get a twisted ideology into the mainstream no matter the cost, then it all makes sense. Make no mistake: that is their agenda.
No.
11:08 I wouldn’t be surprised if Billy really wanted to market this movie to actual second graders.
the alphabet mafia likes em young...
This movie demonstrates precisely how out-of-touch and un-self-aware the Alphabet community has become.
This movie does not represent the "Alphabet" Community. That being said, this is why many of us despise the "alphabet" community and don't allow it to define us!
Great point about words, labels, and hidden meanings. I hope the rush to rewrite history and the current direction of this country by innuendo, misinformation, bullying and strong handed media tactics, won't cause this "cause" to receive more push back than they claim already exists.
It's would be a win-win for those pushing these agendas either way. One way they get to reinforce the evil other and victimhood of the "cause" or if the "cause" has success, it will continue on its path. This "cause", along with other "marginalized" groups are just a tool, nothing else.
Gun,
That is such a GenX thing, no labels. I love my Generation and I think the millennials and Gen z to an extent have boxed themselves in with their labels.
There is no "cause" just a bunch of irredeemable monsters who wrongly thought that they'd already amassed enough power (through lies, deception and propaganda/indoctrination) to safely drop their masks and reveal how awful they actually are and what their covert malicious plans always were. Fortunately, they miscalculated; and society now has a chance to try and save itself.
When I saw the trailer the first thing that popped into my head was "This looks stupid." That's as much thought as I put into it and I'm glad to hear that was as much thought as I needed to put into it.
It seemed to me to be a love story about the Bobby character falling in love with himself. Not surprisingly he is also the writer and actor. The Aaron character was eye candy with no real reason for being except for the Bobby character to bounce quips and other things off of. Tedious and preachy.
Lincoln wasn’t gay. Everyone knows he was a vampire slayer.
@CryWolf-sm9iw Then Lincoln became a vampire, joined the circus and went for the juggler.
I remember seeing the Red Band Trailer for this in Late July when I went to go see Elvis. After watching it the thoughts in my head were “OK this is either gonna be dumb fun or woke shit”. And then when September came around I went to go see 3000 Years Of Longing, which I recommend, it makes you feel the runtime, but I recommend it. Anyway I saw the official trailer for Bros when the previews were playing and as soon as I heard those last two lines my immediate thought was “Well that movie’s gonna bomb”.
A red-band trailer to Bros. before a showing of Elvis? Talk about bad targeting.
"Sugarcoated with rainbows and gayness." I wish I could subscribe again for that one.
What I have always liked about you Chris is that you go into every movie/TV show with an open mind and heart. You give your honest opinion, but you don't start out prejudging something. I don't always agree with you, but I don't think you are the kind of guy that is looking for validation, which is cool. Keep it up man. (I still will roast you if I think it is a bad take, but I know you can handle it, and that is what nerds do. 😉😁)
Speaking of bad takes. I love my dad was a pretty bad take lol. Chris is awesome though man..
This film changed my life opened my eyes and taught me how I’m wrong for being straight
Yeah, I don’t think they realized that when straight people “have their run” that means humanity has as well.
This is the kind of review i was looking for. There are a million reviews trashing this movie and theres like 2 that are beyond raving saying that if you're offended then dont see it and shut up.
I wanted an honest review without trashing but over praising which comes off like someone was paid pretty handsomely for it.
You are are a terrific critic.
cis- and trans- are chemistry terms. the functional group is either cis- (same side) or trans- (opposite side). It just identifies the position of groups of atoms on a chemical structure.
I can't recall many rom coms that contain as many graphic sex references/scenes as this film seems to.
Right? I saw this and even the most controversial gay themed Oscar movies aren't close to as pornographic as this movie was.
Can you imagine if anyone romcom had 5 sex scenes
I like how you guys do your best to remain apolitical.
Exactly. I got alot of right wing content for that.
Is Chris daring to say that we should people by the content of their character?
Radical
Billy Eichner hosting his BROS premiere: “Would you like some whine with your cheese?“
I think releasing it in a month where everyone is hyped for horror movies was a poor decision.
Well the release of the movie turned into a horror show.
I think the Midnight's Edge analysis hit the nail on the heat. Straight white guys don't like romance movies (romcoms or otherwise) and won't go to them unless dragged to them by their wives or girlfriends. They (we) won't go to Bromance movies either.
Straight men in general don't like Romantic Comedies. Asian, (especially) Latino, black, and of course, Middle Easterners wouldn't be caught dead watching that movie.
Honestly, non-White straight dudes are even less likely to go see this movie.
“DON’T LABEL ME” - *GEN X*
Brokeback Mountain brought in hetero viewers. I'm sure someone can crack the code for a comedy. Frankly, there have not been many comedies at the cinema in a long time. When was the last hit comedy?
Woke can't do comedy
Last one I can remember was Ghostbusters Afterlife
Last hit comedy? Tropic Thunder or Team America? There aren’t any comedies anymore because most film writers are in their positions because they’re non white or non hetero. Period. They have no life experience, no talent. And you can only ridicule white men. So there ya go.
Pricilla - Queen of the Dessert?
Undertale. Multiple gay/lesbian couples, at least one non-binary character, and a lot of straight people don't mind that because they are written as people first before being their sexuality.
"La Cage aux folles" attracts everyone
I really respect Chris' approach to all of this, it's a very complicated subject with a lot of room for hate but I think Chris has done a great job in explaining the "hoopla" around this movie without leaning too much into one side.
At my most open and accepting, I think I would be cool with two gay men establishing and growing within a committed relationship. But this movie wants to jump into the idea that a multiple partner relationship is totally normal and acceptable. And maybe it is in gay culture? I really don't know. Extremely difficult to relate to in any way. I guess it's because there is a history of thousands of years of human history advancing via heterosexual bonding between opposite sexes. The film comes across like heterosexual bonding is "wrong" in some way? Which is strange because gay people were birthed from a heterosexual bonding. I guess it was just too tone deaf in the end.
Heart & Minds. That's it. Good man. Why I like you. Cheers!
My Older and Younger Brothers are gay. And they didn’t seem all that keen about the movie either. And it is certainly not for me too. You win some, you lose some!
‘Bros’ bombs at weekend box office
" Billy Eichner blames straight people for failing to show up "
" The much-hyped new film “Bros,” touted as the first gay romantic comedy produced by a major Hollywood studio, bombed at the weekend box office, bringing in just $4.8 million, about half of the $8-10 million prediction for opening weekend. "
Blaming straight people for not attending an explicitly gay film, where not only the plot a is about gayness, but the plot be is too, is like blaming vegans if the launch of a new burger joint is a flop. Not engaging with something is not an act of hate, at best it's an act of tolerance and at worst it is an act of indifference.
@@kathycoleman4648 neoprogressivism is a cult, full of hypocrisy and projection. Its pretends to be about tolerance but really its about supremecy and group think.
@@kathycoleman4648 Well said
@@kathycoleman4648 The opposite of love isn't hate; its indifference. But that's what the woke crowd fears most. If you hate them or their products at least you're paying attention to them and treating them differently. But what they dread more than anything is going unnoticed and being treated just like everyone else.
Imagine if that was the marketing for "Brokeback Mountain" 🙄 This trend of insulting the audience is so weird... If you tell me this is not the movie for me in your trailer, then why do you insult me for not watching it? 🤭🤭🤭
Not everyone likes raunch and risque behavior. Even amongst gays.
Chris is a brave reviewer. Respect.
I've NEVER heard of Lincoln being gay. At all.
Only in Electric Six music videos.
@@manicmonochrome7098 wow! Forgot about them! 'It's my desire!' to get all 'dance commander' right now! 😉🥳
My grandmother came out in 1948. She was interested in having equal rights for partnership and family NOT to Display Kink and Sex 24/7...she was disgusted by the direction the movement went and said the pendulum would swing back hard, if the constant push of sex and kink didn't move toward stable relationships. We don't have strippers pushing for kindergarten story time and wearing bdsm gear walking around infront of children. I'm glad she wasn't around for terms like terf being lobbed at older generations to become the norm...
I feel like all of the promiscuity is really holding the gay community back. For example as a person who is and who knows many people on the opposite end of the social/political aisle. I know that a lot of more conservative and even evangelical types don’t really have much of a problem with gay people at face value (these days unless they are claiming to be Christian). The problem comes when people see pride parades that look like orgies, sexual content being pushed on young kids, and any criticisms of the community as a whole being labeled as “homophobic”.
@@thedukeofchutney468 I'm actually Christian and Conservative. We don't care what adults do in the privacy of there homes. It's not until kids are pushed into Any sexual lifestyle, that I get upset. Don't bring your bedroom to the living room and I have no reason to be upset. We all have freewill. We aren't taught to hate the sinner, we're told to hate the sin. That "sin" is no greater than the sin of say...greed, wrath, or sloth. But we're also taught not to be a stumbling block. It's a fine line to walk and full of self understanding that None of us are able to be Christ or we wouldn't need Christ.
Well said about labels. Could not have framed it better.
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Even gay people stayed away from this movie. Why is that not addressed by the stars who are complaining of the low turnout?
great honest review Chris... the main reason I subscribe and watch you.
The big mistake was Billy going on social media and told everyone who wasn't a raging " WOKE " Gay SJW to stay away from his movie. And when the film bombed ( like a tact nuke ) Billy turns around and blames the same people whom he told to stay away for his movie failure.
The funniest part is large part of LBGTQ also didn’t want to see this movie, so when the core audience disliked it you know it was sloppily made
You can do this without sex ....I think the birdcage was funny had no sex and funny to ..anyway so enjoy your videos please keep them coming and here to help get your videos out to everyone to enjoy 😊😊😊😊
Even IF this were a good movie (somehow), who in their right mind would go and watch this in the theaters? It sounds like soft core porn. It blows my mind how this doesn't have an NC-17 rating based on what I'm hearing.
Apparently, there was some cut content that was removed out of fear of getting an NC-17.
Maybe they’re saving that for the Unrated Blu-ray version.
The Critcal Drinker, Red letter Media, Jeremy Jahns, Chris Stuckman and now Chris Gore of Film Threat.. anything you folks have to say about a movie tends to be the truth.
So this film was no Dallas Buyer's Club or Bohemian Rapsody, or Philadelphia or Brokeback mountain..
Gregg Araki is still one of the best directors, his 80's and 90's films are amazing.
Omg yes! The Doom Generation
Great review. Nice to see FT return to covering horror films.
Chris Gore was on his best behavior with this review. I saw one review was every 4 minutes an f bomb was thrown on this movie.
P.S. I started a story telling podcast called Midnight Train to Sleepy Hills. The podcast is on Spotify and Apple Podcast, and I would appreciate any new listeners!
If a gay guy does a lesson but no straight people watch did the lesson get taught. Lol
oh so the big crux of the film is LITERALLY GROOMING CHILDREN... great
This was an extremely measured review and discussion about everything surrounding it. Nice video.
Gotta disagree with you man, I'm gay and this looks way too gay for me. That's the problem with it, not that the characters are gay, because the movie is gay. From the trailer, I can't imagine anyone could complain it's not gay enough.
I’m gay here too and I wouldn’t watch it. It looks so forced, fake and outright cringe. Totally unrelatable as well
If Billy Eichner’s talent was as massive as his ego, he would be the 21st century John Barrymore.
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I'm a gay man, you couldn't give me enough money to watch this movie! One thing that we have in common with our straight brothers is that most gay men don't 'do' Romcoms! Now a theatre release of Indiana jones raider of the lost arc and could easily get, oh 20 gay men that I know who'd be interested in seeing that.......
The Chinese happily sent money over to the U.S. to fund this movie.
I checked the credits and no Chinese company was involved, it would get banned in China, anyways.
Toho (a Japanese company known for making the Godzilla films and anime like Your Name. and My Hero Academia) did, however, send money to make this.
They also make and co-produce films that the woke crowd would not like such as Top Gun: Maverick, Shin Evangelion, Wolf Children, and Shin Godzilla.
The film was a co-production between Universal and Toho.
Most Universal films since 2009 have had help from Toho, and Universal-Toho's relationship goes back to the '60s, when they made King Kong vs. Godzilla and King Kong Escapes.
They would later make other films together, such as AKIRA, Man on the Moon, and Children of Men.
Around 10 to 15 years, if a person commented on someone's sexuality the response would be why are we talking about this? Now it must be put front and centre. Being Cis Gendered mean your gender identity matches the sex you were "assigned" at birth.
The movie was made for Twitter users who use social media 24/7.
And yet they won’t watch it because they’re too busy fighting in online wars.
12:10 > introduce kids to gayness? I fully agree. It must follow naturally as they grow up. Answer their questions with no 'pearl clutching' reaction; move with the topic in age-appropriate steps.
Just give me a fun, entertaining movie. Like a Star Wars sequel or LOTR sequel that is good. Hahahahah!
The thrupple made me chuckle.
When I hear Bros, I think of male friends, not homosexuals.
Yup..he tried to subvert with the name.. to confuse straight msles into seeing it, you know, cos we're that stupid.. lol
Who are they to out a president if he was? Yes, Lincoln destroyed a room when his roommate left BUT that roommate was rich and paid 90% of their bills and they had been best friends for years. We know the same rumors were out there about Lincoln as Female Hookers sooo bisexual At Best...
Back in the 1990s/2000s, radio show host & actor Phil (Team America) Hendrie portrayed a gay character on his radio show named Doug Dannger, where he constantly inserted the word "gay" into virtually everything he said, "As a gay man and a gay journalist...you know I'm gay, right?" and the callers would say "Yes I know you're gay, you mention it every five seconds!" and it was hilarious. I get a similar vibe from Billy Eichner in his movie only, without the laughs.
so there's a ride in the movie about gay trauma? Is it shaped like a bhole?
How the f**k can you like Billy Eichner? This movie is where it belongs. In the shi**er.
Cis is actually a chemistry term. Which makes me wonder how it ever got attached to sexual orientation. (Well, cis and trans are opposite atomic orientations in molecules so maybe that's how, but still kind of weird).
I have some pretty good bros.. doesn't mean I wanna make out with them
Calling Bros a Film Threat is quite appropriate.
"I remember my grandma telling me, "I don't care what they tell you in school. Abraham Lincoln was black"
Chris, the word cis is not made up (unless you consider all words made up). It's Latin for 'this side of', as opposed to 'trans' which means 'across the divide'. Speaking as a European, from my perspective I am located cis-atlantic while you as an American are located transatlantic. It would have been pronounced Kis, like Julius Caesar would have been pronounced Kaiser. These words have existed for millennia, the alphabet community just appropriated them.
Interesting
Cis used in the new context makes no sense , it is a ridiculous deconstruction attempt.
I interpreted in the sense that Chris is referring to the concept of Cisgender. Cisgender means that one identifies with the gender identity that was assigned to them at birth. Up to 10 years ago, biologists knew and were willing to say openly that sex isn't assigned but observed at birth, and there are two sexes: male & female. I don't subscribe to the concept of gender identity. At the end of the day, if other people do thats up to them.
Its just the new definition of the word that’s made up.
@@tommysmith7031 Yep. Plus trans activists appropriated the phrase “assigned gender at birth” from Intersex people. They often have ambiguous sex organs so parents or doctors would have to guess the child’s gender and it wasn’t always correct.
My thoughts:
Straight guy here. Known gay people *all of my life* my Dad's good friend in middle America came out to him when my older brother was born (and sadly, at that time in the 70's told my Dad he'd understand if he wasn't allowed around anymore... obviously my parents dgaf). I've worked with or been friends with flamboyantly gay people & "normal" gay folks (you know what I mean).
First, for me, my wife, my friend and his wife (who's brother is what I would classify as non-flamboyant gay & monogamous). My friend and myself are *revolted* by watching dudes make out. So, in movies/tv shows where that happens I usually look away or grin and bare it. The girls, pretty much same thing tbh. Seeing it rated R and knowing it had orgy scenes was a 100% not a chance I'm going or my friend, or the wives. None of us care that people do this... but it's offputting at the least and revolting at the worst. Funny enough, we all agreed... lesbians making out, especially if one is "hot" was perfectly fine for all of us.
Second, I've seen tons of RomCom's where sex/nudity isn't a thing. If this movie had the PG-13 rating. Sure, I'd give it a go. I've watched tons of RomComs with my wife of 20+years (who I've been with for nearly 30). We were discussing how many were R rated (for sex/nudity). We couldn't think of many. I don't understand why this RomCom had to be filled with it... moreover, why he would shame people for not going since it was clear sex scenes & orgies was a thing in the movie.
Third, I know "normal" gay couples. Gay guys who not only don't participate... but don't approve of the sexually promiscuous/hook up culture and are annoyed that everybody thinks that's normal for the gay community... though they understand why. I haven't asked them what they think of this movie. But knowing them... they wouldn't go and they'd be annoyed that *this* was the first gay romcom in mainstream theaters nationwide.
So, it may be a good movie. But no way I'd go. I'd also assume there is no way monogamous gay couples would be cool with it easy. They can see "porn" whenever they want.
Wanted to Add. I LOVED Will & Grace. That was gay comedy done right, turn that level into a RomCom.
I'm straight and I liked it quite a bit so that answers your question
riiiiight...WE believe you... 😉
All right, Gore, you redeemed yourself after saying you liked the first few eps of She Hulk🤣 Your tirade about avoiding labels and appreciating people for who they was spot on and something a lot more people in this country need to settle on. I don't care wear you like to stick your parts or what your politics are; if you are an entertainment maker, don't preach to me, just make a good story.
I'll probably skip it like Love, Simon. Good writing, directing, and acting will find an audience, even if the leads are men in love. Brokeback Mountain, for example.
Love, Simon wasn't thaaaat bad. I watched it with my mom. The main character was likable and he did have real internal conflict. You could see the "propaganda" sometimes, but it did try to respect its characters
@Gengar I didn't make the film so don't know who your comment is directed at.
Love, Simon was actually a cute movie. This one looks cringe.
Pretty much every gay character was a caricature apart from the Aaron character. Bizarre. Won't be in a rush to re-watch this one.
Too much of the gay culture in this movie. I can see why this bombed. It was too gay. Plus his anti republican talk killed it too
Hollywood has the right to make all the bad movies they want and I have a right not to watch them.
Woke people, they had an awful run.
I'm gay. Went and saw it with two gay friends. My boyfriend refused to see it. We laughed regularly at it. I cringed really hard at parts. I was very uncomfortable with the main character grand standing to the mom / teacher. Of course the movie was loaded with "the message" (tm). Overall the movie was "eh" ... I wouldn't watch it again, and I would not recommend it to my normie friends, nor my non flamie friends.
Excellent vid! From your description of the gay sex scenes, it sounds like Billy Eichner was trying to "push the envelope" with respect to how much gayness would be acceptable in a mainstream film and ran into a brick wall. Mainstream films that include gay characters will be open about two dudes being in a relationship but be very restrained about their actual sex lives. Maybe you'd see two guys walking around in bathrobes "the morning after." As a heterosexual male, I have to admit that while watching the trailers, the scene where Billy and his beau are kissing in the park made me somewhat uncomfortable. Anything more intense than that would really be too much for me. The bottom line is that most straight males just don't "get it" with respect to gay male relationships and especially gay male sex. (OTOH many straight males might sit through films featuring lesbians and might shamelessly desire to see sex scenes so long as both females are attractive. I have no idea if the same applies to straight women and gay male sex scenes.)
As a straight man, I cannot see myself in this movie. So, according to the logic of the woke crowd that I must see myself in movies, this propaganda movie will not appeal to me. And since I'm not gay, I'll give it a hard pass!
Funny how that works..man the woke are hypocrites..
Give me more CHRIS GORE!!!
They told straight people - don't go and see it.
So we didn't...
Based on sale over 90% of LBGTQ people also didn’t see it
Chris, can you see if you can get The Robot from the Craig Ferguson Show as a co-host, your show is great, but that little change would make it so much better.
Not for the gay of heart apparently.
First off: I find it humorous that this grandstanding travesty of a film failed to even make back the 5 million in it's opening week that was such a plot point in the film. Don't know why, that just tickles me.
Second: I can think of at least two gay dudes who would not have made it into that museum, Jack Donovan and Hadrian. Jack because he would call Billy a fairy and whup his ass for even associating him with this virtue signaling, and Hadrian because... Well, if you know, then you know.
Billy blames straight people for not seeing it but it been mostly fay people who aren’t wanting to see it. Straight people (including me!!) didn’t even know about it till these reviews lol.
caught this movie on streaming. Eicher's character is beyond annoying and I don't think he's intended to be so unlikable. The love interest was the only good character. If they were looking for a mainstream audience they should've toned down the sex scenes and not lean into gay community stereotypes so much. Think a rom-com that had a less annoying lead, and didn't pump the LGBT NYC ideology so much would've done better. There's this weird "Lincoln was gay" thing the film just couldn't let go of. Even other characters say there is no real proof of this, yet Eichner keeps insisting he's right and the movie wants us to be on his side. So strange.
Yep. The other gay characters are logical and stating clearly hey, we don't have enough evidence to claim Lincoln was gay and he has a literal meltdown and blames it on roid rage. These same peers are suspiciously uber tolerant of Bill Eichner's hysterical Bobby character. His boyfriend is so trying to make it work and he keeps whining "But you don't waaaant me". If he didn't want you, he'd have left you - period. I laughed 2 times in the first 18 minutes, once close to an hour in and than it went downhill superfast. The scene with the Mom was so awful, and him talking about 12 years old seeing graphic sex simulated on stage was just no, dude. Just stop. PLEASE just stop. Not to mention his woe is me shit when he was given privileges out the ass. Published author. Head of a museum with no MA in Fine Arts or History. 5 million in funding. Hot boyfriend. I mean...who else is living this life? Sure as hell not me, lol.
wouldve been alot more entertaining seeing it with a fudge packed audience
I'm gay and this movie seems "too much" for me. You can have a gay movie -- even one where being gay is a central part of the theme -- without being obnoxious about it.
So was Chris Gore one of the only people to see this movie?
Thank you, great essay!
A great review. I feel the same way. Billy On The Street is hilarious, I love that show. Buttttt I also have no interest in this movie. It's a gay movie for gay men. Plus I kinda hate rom-coms anyways. I also found the trailer to be incredibly stereotypical and purposely insulting. I know a couple gay dudes and they are definitely not like that.
Your average straight male or your average normal male female couple. Are not going to go see this movie there's no chance you're going to convince let's say your boyfriend if you're a girl to go see this raunchy gay romantic comedy. The minute they start showing a gay orgy he's going to say WTF I'm leaving the theater. I mean there's no way in hell you're going to convince Joe six pack to go see this movie. Hey I have to edit this I live in Baltimore and I've gotten to meet spend some time with John Waters. He's an incredibly intelligent hilarious wonderful man. I have absolutely nothing against the gay community this movie just sucks LOL. No pun intended.
Dude's gonna be askin' here what she's watching online when he's not around, lmao. There are a lotta chicks who like and read or watch m/m fan fiction or anime. But gettin' the bf in on that? Uh, no. Yikes.
A film with a gay couple at the centre as well as a person of colour (British Indian) as the lead plus racism is My Beautiful Laundrette (1985). Appealed to straight audiences because it had great plot and cinematography.
Billy Eichner, in response to a woman who says she's just seen a movie about a blind, deaf girl: "Oh, God, no" (walks off with disgusted face.) - as seen on UA-cam, Billy on the Street: Best Moments.
Shout out to AMC BURBANK 16
I’m sure they thought straight women would go since we are the audience for romantic comedies. If I was still into those, I still wouldn’t watch it. They clearly think I’m over in the trailer. So I will keep my so over money and not go.
Rom cons don’t have a whole sexual scenes either. Honestly, it’s been years since I saw one. I guess this old married lady just prefers comedy.
It's disappointing this film didn't turn out well, because the concept is certainly not doomed from the start. I haven't seen it myself, but I can say that I hate it when a movie misunderstands sexuality, what it means to people, and how people engage with it. I'm bi, but my sexuality is not my whole personality. There are people who let their sexuality solely define themselves, and frankly, those people are repellant to me. Bros sounds like it falls into this trap, so it wouldn't interest.
Chris brought up John Waters, who I also love, as a person and as a director. His movies are gay and appeal to LGBTQ+ people without pandering to them. In fact, some of them are even a welcome challenge, most notably Pink Flamingoes.
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I can hear the BS outrage now…”why are hetero sex scenes acceptable to the mainstream but homosexual scenes are not?”
I'm gay and this looked like a dumpster fire.