And that’s why I use 24 volt signals instead of the silly 5 volt signals that regularly used to drive stepper drivers . Screw USB or Parallel port too! Ethernet shielded is the way to! Go ! That’s why I love my Acorn controller true and tested! Tons of support, references and manuals .
Thank you for your support. Ethernet is for sure the way to go, but while the Acorn solution you use works well for you there are much cheaper ethernet solutions that are open source, and not proprietary in the motion control software it can use like my UC-400 turnkey ethernet package. www.ebay.com/itm/144862296429 Also support for the Acorn is free if you use their forum. If you want direct support its a paid service. One more point is the Acorn's motion control software for unlimited G-code use ranges from $175-$399 on top of the cost of the Acorn board itself. The free software they include with the board only supports 50kb G-code files. Thank you, Vince
A friend and I bought components from Corvetteguy to convert an old plasmacam system. It works amazingly well (IMO, WAY better than the original) and the ongoing costs are ridiculously cheap as compared to plasmacam.
Hard to build anything stable in this enviornment meaning the CNC community. Hard to get any info on wiring, VFD configs, any support from vendors you bought VFD's or Controllers from. This entire hobby could very well be the worst experience I have ever had. I got into this to have fun and enjoyment and its nothing but a complete cluster fuck. I dont want to be an engineer or a electrician and can do most simple electrical work but im not looking to reivent the wheel just a little help and I cant get it from anyone :) 3 days and no answer from the xprov5 people no answer from Hunyang VFD people and no answer from the 3d Commander soft ware people. Learned a lot about how to make wiring properly from C50 thanks for that also the stuff he sells is well labeled well packaged and just top notch so at least I have that.
Thank you sir for your support. This industry is a tough one for sure, and its growing by the day with robotics taking over for micro manufacturing home based business's. A double edged sword on one end for those who understand the elephant they are trying to eat, and a novice's worst nightmare if they're completely green on robotics. My system, and components aren't the cheapest, and they never will be, but I sleep well at night knowing I give all my clients like yourself the support, and quality I would expect for myself, and I believe this principle is what they see as a safe investment with me. Thank you, Vince
How about stop taking out everybody else and do a series on doing it right.. You mention 100s of times they show the wrong way but not the right and please please stop talking about yourself, it's getting irritating...
Steven Barnard, its obvious you didn't review my channel with over 490 videos as I cover many system builds showing exactly what best practice is. Please take some time doing research before making assumptions. Thank you, Vince
And BTW there are how many systems using USB out there without any problem, how about a couple videos on system that don't and I don't mean those very very expensive systems, I'm talking home hobby or small shop
All end users are at risk using USB controllers for stability issues. If you're fine using it then go for it. How about instead of talking listing some the systems you claim are fine using it, and I bet if we use Google we'll find someone having issues with disconnect issues with that specific system. This video is for those that expect piece of mine, and stability for their systems. Hobby, and small shop users still expect a reliable stable system don't they? They expect to hit cycle start, and not get disconnect issues, or random stops correct? Facts don't care about your feelings, and USB isn't stable for CNC signals. We all know the answers to these questions, and you do to. Thank you, Vince
RNR Motion card by Bitsensor /Drufel CNC is cheap USB Based Controller. But Give good care here..! may help.! You need to Protect all the wires with shielding primarily. At least Signal Wires first. But also High Voltage lines need to be shielded as well for best results. The Shielding catches the HF Noise radiated by HV lines and sends them to earth Ground There are two types of shielding to tackle High and Low frequency Noise by sending them to Earth ground. So You need to shield both low and high voltage lines Delicate signal wires such as Step,Dir,Estop,Limit,Home ...etc should be as short as possible, and those wires should also be shielded, and one end of the shield should be connected to a common Ground Bus Bar within the Enclosure. Try to reduce the length of signal wires as much as possible. And route the signal wires in such a way that low voltage signal wires never go in parallel with High volt lines. Low and High Volt Lines may cross at some points, But never be routed together.! The spindle cable,which is one of those high frequency lines ,400HZ at full RPM @ 440V/250V may pump insane level of amps at slight instances, which is enough to confuse delicate signals..! So route it in a separate cable tray/drag chain. Dont let it travel close to the limit/estop/step-dir/Home signals..! And also wrap with shields or use shielded cables and tie one end of that shielding to earth.!
Not sure USB is unsuitable but your argument is sound off course. But let me just argue for the USB. Today most system has a stack of commands in the motion planer. The stack/ queue is 10 to 1000 steps ahead, so normally it’s fine to use serial communication (USB), since the next 1000 steps are already in memory. The biggest issue is if priority flags to the mcu like a e-stop should happen to be sent several times due to interference, but again remember that most run on a baudrate higher than 1000000( one million), so even with interference on a priority flag/ interrupt the lag is milli seconds. When you install ie Linuxcnc or grblhal, Siemens, Fanuc etc. they block system interrupts from the operating system like windows and Linux, and some use even the old parallel port, but that is not needed anymore, since we now can split the calculations from the actual command stack. Meaning the mcu just get a long list of vector coordinates instead of the old systems where both calculations and gcode ( vector coordinates) where done on the same machine. This is what klipper firmware did a few years back with 3d printers, and what advanced robotics/ multi axis cnc’s have turned to.
Marius, thank you for your support. The programming demands are very rarely associated with an unstable system. I've had clients set their USB suspend function correctly, and CPU priority. Packet loss I've never personally seen on any modern Intel I5, or similar AMD multicore system with at least 16gb of memory installed. USB is simply unstable, and not worth investing in for CNC production robotics period. Cheaper models on the market come bundled with it, and I ask all end users interested in purchasing one of these systems to Google it to see if its USB controller has experienced disconnects from any of its end users to see the truth. A 3D printer is fine as its EMI is much lower as is a vinyl plotter, but for mills, routers, and plasma systems USB is simply a waste of money for end users expecting a stable system. The worst part about an unstable USB system is you never know when it will show up. I've had clients use their systems for a few weeks before the disconnect issues start happening. Ethernet is worth every penny for any end user expecting a reliable consistent system. Thank you, Vince
If most electricians weren't so lazy, half of these CNC machines would be built by them. Then it would be easy to find good instructions for building the control cabinets/ shielding and grounding I appreciate your work, but too bad. It is sad that your good videos are hard to find under all the "how not to" videos
Thank you for your support, but 99% of electricians don't understand CNC electronics as they are two completely different fields of study as one is electronics. I will be optimizing my channel very shortly to make sure my videos will be found. Vince
i has build to small manual workshop many customer old manyal milling machine to new cnc machine(retro fit), many hundred machine has build, and ewer NOT used USB breakoutboard, because not safety not stabile, lot only problems and all usb board uses windows softwares what newer NOT used any factory automation ewer because not hav REALTIME and stabile OS system totally not safety OS. lot better use linux OS i not has seen any windows OS any factory automation system used, only linux OS. and NOT USB controller boards, all have paraller or pci to paraller or FPGA card systems. lot better safety and stabile systems. and ALL soldered plug need be shrink tube insulation of course. and CAN use many power supply but need know what doing, not loop power, and all cover need Ground. and not true all need EMI filter sure, and good if use shielded cable, and ofcourse all small voltage go different way than high voltage, and not have long cables no problem , after 20-60 meter have long cables sometime problems. not before. hobby builder any cable not have long, no problem, whit gauge size, or warm.
To be brutally honest, like you, your delivery sucks. The way you call them out is not good, in general, for a host of reasons. Flip side, I respect your knowledge and wisdom, so when I am ready to dive in, I am coming to you for the right job.
Mad Zeus, I'm always honest with my potential clients. I call these creators out to save people from loosing time, and money. Some people get it, and some don't period, and some people have a problem with my videos because they know someone's out there who knows more in this field, and is now watching for "poser" videos on channels to expose them. I don't know which one of these people you are, but anyone who would let someone else get screwed by these content creators posing to know something they don't I don't respect. Please do me a favor, and go somewhere else as you literally contradict yourself in your comment. Thank you, Vince
@@corvetteguy50 Your reply is a bit over the top for critique of your delivery, not the content and the wealth of knowledge, and a compliment to you. I don’t see the contradiction in that. Also never said anything about allowing people to get misguided or being posers. Wish you well regardless and thanks for the content.
You’re an extremely valuable asset Vince. You must be protected at all costs
Thank you sir. I really appreciate it! Vince
And that’s why I use 24 volt signals instead of the silly 5 volt signals that regularly used to drive stepper drivers . Screw USB or Parallel port too! Ethernet shielded is the way to! Go ! That’s why I love my Acorn controller true and tested! Tons of support, references and manuals .
Thank you for your support.
Ethernet is for sure the way to go, but while the Acorn solution you use works well for you there are much cheaper ethernet solutions that are open source, and not proprietary in the motion control software it can use like my UC-400 turnkey ethernet package. www.ebay.com/itm/144862296429
Also support for the Acorn is free if you use their forum. If you want direct support its a paid service.
One more point is the Acorn's motion control software for unlimited G-code use ranges from $175-$399 on top of the cost of the Acorn board itself. The free software they include with the board only supports 50kb G-code files.
Thank you,
Vince
A friend and I bought components from Corvetteguy to convert an old plasmacam system. It works amazingly well (IMO, WAY better than the original) and the ongoing costs are ridiculously cheap as compared to plasmacam.
Thank you Rick, I really appreciate the kind words, and support, and I'm glad your system is making money! Thank you,
Vince
Hard to build anything stable in this enviornment meaning the CNC community. Hard to get any info on wiring, VFD configs, any support from vendors you bought VFD's or Controllers from. This entire hobby could very well be the worst experience I have ever had. I got into this to have fun and enjoyment and its nothing but a complete cluster fuck. I dont want to be an engineer or a electrician and can do most simple electrical work but im not looking to reivent the wheel just a little help and I cant get it from anyone :) 3 days and no answer from the xprov5 people no answer from Hunyang VFD people and no answer from the 3d Commander soft ware people. Learned a lot about how to make wiring properly from C50 thanks for that also the stuff he sells is well labeled well packaged and just top notch so at least I have that.
Thank you sir for your support.
This industry is a tough one for sure, and its growing by the day with robotics taking over for micro manufacturing home based business's.
A double edged sword on one end for those who understand the elephant they are trying to eat, and a novice's worst nightmare if they're completely green on robotics.
My system, and components aren't the cheapest, and they never will be, but I sleep well at night knowing I give all my clients like yourself the support, and quality I would expect for myself, and I believe this principle is what they see as a safe investment with me.
Thank you,
Vince
How about stop taking out everybody else and do a series on doing it right.. You mention 100s of times they show the wrong way but not the right and please please stop talking about yourself, it's getting irritating...
Steven Barnard, its obvious you didn't review my channel with over 490 videos as I cover many system builds showing exactly what best practice is. Please take some time doing research before making assumptions.
Thank you,
Vince
Thank you for your support, and I'm glad to here your system is performing stably! Thank you again Vince
No kidding, this dude lost my subscription.. he's a D head.
And BTW there are how many systems using USB out there without any problem, how about a couple videos on system that don't and I don't mean those very very expensive systems, I'm talking home hobby or small shop
All end users are at risk using USB controllers for stability issues. If you're fine using it then go for it.
How about instead of talking listing some the systems you claim are fine using it, and I bet if we use Google we'll find someone having issues with disconnect issues with that specific system.
This video is for those that expect piece of mine, and stability for their systems.
Hobby, and small shop users still expect a reliable stable system don't they?
They expect to hit cycle start, and not get disconnect issues, or random stops correct?
Facts don't care about your feelings, and USB isn't stable for CNC signals.
We all know the answers to these questions, and you do to.
Thank you,
Vince
RNR Motion card by Bitsensor /Drufel CNC is cheap USB Based Controller.
But Give good care here..! may help.!
You need to Protect all the wires with shielding primarily. At least Signal Wires first.
But also High Voltage lines need to be shielded as well for best results.
The Shielding catches the HF Noise radiated by HV lines and sends them to earth Ground
There are two types of shielding to tackle High and Low frequency Noise by sending them to Earth ground.
So You need to shield both low and high voltage lines
Delicate signal wires such as Step,Dir,Estop,Limit,Home ...etc should be as short as possible, and those wires should also be shielded, and one end of the shield should be connected to a common Ground Bus Bar within the Enclosure.
Try to reduce the length of signal wires as much as possible.
And route the signal wires in such a way that low voltage signal wires never go in parallel with High volt lines.
Low and High Volt Lines may cross at some points, But never be routed together.!
The spindle cable,which is one of those high frequency lines ,400HZ at full RPM @ 440V/250V may pump insane level of amps at slight instances, which is enough to confuse delicate signals..!
So route it in a separate cable tray/drag chain. Dont let it travel close to the limit/estop/step-dir/Home signals..!
And also wrap with shields or use shielded cables and tie one end of that shielding to earth.!
Thank you for your support. Well said. Vince
Not sure USB is unsuitable but your argument is sound off course. But let me just argue for the USB. Today most system has a stack of commands in the motion planer. The stack/ queue is 10 to 1000 steps ahead, so normally it’s fine to use serial communication (USB), since the next 1000 steps are already in memory.
The biggest issue is if priority flags to the mcu like a e-stop should happen to be sent several times due to interference, but again remember that most run on a baudrate higher than 1000000( one million), so even with interference on a priority flag/ interrupt the lag is milli seconds. When you install ie Linuxcnc or grblhal, Siemens, Fanuc etc. they block system interrupts from the operating system like windows and Linux, and some use even the old parallel port, but that is not needed anymore, since we now can split the calculations from the actual command stack. Meaning the mcu just get a long list of vector coordinates instead of the old systems where both calculations and gcode ( vector coordinates) where done on the same machine. This is what klipper firmware did a few years back with 3d printers, and what advanced robotics/ multi axis cnc’s have turned to.
Marius, thank you for your support.
The programming demands are very rarely associated with an unstable system. I've had clients set their USB suspend function correctly, and CPU priority. Packet loss I've never personally seen on any modern Intel I5, or similar AMD multicore system with at least 16gb of memory installed.
USB is simply unstable, and not worth investing in for CNC production robotics period. Cheaper models on the market come bundled with it, and I ask all end users interested in purchasing one of these systems to Google it to see if its USB controller has experienced disconnects from any of its end users to see the truth.
A 3D printer is fine as its EMI is much lower as is a vinyl plotter, but for mills, routers, and plasma systems USB is simply a waste of money for end users expecting a stable system.
The worst part about an unstable USB system is you never know when it will show up. I've had clients use their systems for a few weeks before the disconnect issues start happening.
Ethernet is worth every penny for any end user expecting a reliable consistent system.
Thank you,
Vince
AXBB supremacy, screw USB 😁😁
Thank you for your support. It or the UC-400 is excellent! Thank you,
Vince
If most electricians weren't so lazy, half of these CNC machines would be built by them.
Then it would be easy to find good instructions for building the control cabinets/ shielding and grounding
I appreciate your work, but too bad. It is sad that your good videos are hard to find under all the "how not to" videos
Thank you for your support, but 99% of electricians don't understand CNC electronics as they are two completely different fields of study as one is electronics.
I will be optimizing my channel very shortly to make sure my videos will be found.
Vince
i has build to small manual workshop many customer old manyal milling machine to new cnc machine(retro fit), many hundred machine has build, and ewer NOT used USB breakoutboard, because not safety not stabile, lot only problems and all usb board uses windows softwares what newer NOT used any factory automation ewer because not hav REALTIME and stabile OS system totally not safety OS. lot better use linux OS i not has seen any windows OS any factory automation system used, only linux OS. and NOT USB controller boards, all have paraller or pci to paraller or FPGA card systems. lot better safety and stabile systems. and ALL soldered plug need be shrink tube insulation of course. and CAN use many power supply but need know what doing, not loop power, and all cover need Ground. and not true all need EMI filter sure, and good if use shielded cable, and ofcourse all small voltage go different way than high voltage, and not have long cables no problem , after 20-60 meter have long cables sometime problems. not before. hobby builder any cable not have long, no problem, whit gauge size, or warm.
To be brutally honest, like you, your delivery sucks. The way you call them out is not good, in general, for a host of reasons.
Flip side, I respect your knowledge and wisdom, so when I am ready to dive in, I am coming to you for the right job.
Mad Zeus,
I'm always honest with my potential clients. I call these creators out to save people from loosing time, and money.
Some people get it, and some don't period, and some people have a problem with my videos because they know someone's out there who knows more in this field, and is now watching for "poser" videos on channels to expose them.
I don't know which one of these people you are, but anyone who would let someone else get screwed by these content creators posing to know something they don't I don't respect.
Please do me a favor, and go somewhere else as you literally contradict yourself in your comment.
Thank you,
Vince
@@corvetteguy50 Your reply is a bit over the top for critique of your delivery, not the content and the wealth of knowledge, and a compliment to you. I don’t see the contradiction in that. Also never said anything about allowing people to get misguided or being posers.
Wish you well regardless and thanks for the content.
Good luck Zeus. Thank you,
Vince