@@minhtrietvo8448 but there are so many more bluffs and flushes. Q10s, KQ, Ax, etc. It's only 99 and JJ that you worry about, but if you are worried about those, why would you raise the turn?
Solver said K2 is a pure check on the river. Your boat is useless if the only thing your opponent can have is bigger boat. Poker do not give out consolation prize for losing with big hands.
@@corey192 because you talk like most players out there are thinking/playing perfect GTO or something. You sound like you overthink the game a lot and it's one of the biggest traps ppl fall into imo. You sound like you see monsters under the bed.
It's really not a snap call lmao. Have you never fold 2 pairs/set to a 4 cards flush, or a full house with 3 cards on the board? Hand ranking does not matter, the only thing that matters is if your hand beats your opponent's hand.
The title is should he fold a full house. If your are folding a full house and worried about a flush maybe we should play cards togeather. The situations you brought up are irrelevant to this situation. Watch the video
@@danl4460 I'm using those hands as an analogy. But in this spot there's no flush, it's all full house and those full house beat you. It's a very simple idea: It doesn't matter how strong your hand is, the only thing matters is if your hand beats your opponent's hand. Poker does not have consolation prize for losers.
This guy is horrible! What was he thinking about? If you're going to play K-2 what hand are you expecting to get? You make a flush or a boat and you snap call. If you get coolered then you do, that's poker. You're there to gamble and you have almost the best possible hand you could have with a K-2, JESUS CHRIST, WORST PLAYER EVER, GO HOME SON!!!
If your opponent literally turns over JJ after shoving there would you still call? This line against most non-professional is extremely face-up. It's always a better full house.
No you don't. And this is why I'd never bluff against you donkeys, and will just exploit jam here with only full house and quad and collect your money.
I think there are some situations in which this is the correct fold. He loses to three combos of 99, three combos of JJ, and one combo of KK. He loses to seven total combos, all of which get to the river played this way. However, if I'm in that situation, I must know if my opponent is capable of bluffing - if they are capable, then I MUST make the call there. J9 is a perfect bluffing hand, along with KJ - as they block higher full houses. The Villain should NOT make this play with the stiff Ace of clubs because his opponent raised the turn and made a pot-sized bet on the river, repping a full house.
@@MCFoultier does it matter that everyone checked? its just monsters under the bed if you get runner runner boat and you fold. like why play trash to hit your cards just to fold when you hit. doesn't make sense
4:11 - Giving everyone the finger while masssaging his forehead. 4:17 - Fucking around with the chips a little more 4:24 - Going for the gold... 4:42 - Gold plating the poker chips ... just waiting for him to go for the nut cheese.
what's the point in betting 4k in the river after your opponent checks it if you gonna fold for 6k more?!?!?! you just have to pay him off if he really has it. folding there should never be an option at all.
I thought his long tank was just Hollywood drama knowing the cameras were on. I was sure he made the decision to call immediately and was just playing around. Then, he folds! WTF!
on the turn , a 9 or J boat after a RR with 3 of a flush on the board would raise almost always in order to get value in case of a 4th club or another J or 9 on the river so a call rapresents only capped range like 2p which hopes to improve
I guess he is thinking the raise preflop could indicative of a pair like 99 or even slow played kings or jacks but personally I think a set is always betting a monotone flop so realisticly he should not have a hand that's beating K2. not a good fold imo
If villain's checking J9 he would check 99 and JJ there some percentage of the time as well. Against most 1/2 donkeys all you will find in that spot is JJ and 99. It's an exploit fold, and you don't have to agree with it, but your reasoning shows me why you'll never get out of low stakes.
Its a classic spot, where if Pier wouldve had him beat, everyone would praise him for making this great fold.. being stupid or being a genius, is very close in poker. Its definitely not a snapcall, I think it is an extremely underbluffed spot, especially in live poker. There might be a reason why Pier chose to do it against Mr Kipling specifically, and not vs you guys in chat. GG’s
I was having a discussion with a friend recently and he was moaning about how ppl who study solvers are ruining the game and I was telling him I think it's actually a good thing because alot of those guys are actually super easy to exploit lol. They see monsters under the bed alot and tend to make really bad hero folds more than the average player. So when all else fails I just shove on those guys and majority of the time they talk themselves into a fold because the "solver said it was a fold" lol it's so funny.
Yea hes priced in. He gotta call. They were deeper maybe i can see pro folds. Would pier shove flushes here, is the question. If He doesnt, and they were playing deep, maybe a fold?? I like shove cuz he blocking both the sets
Worse fold I have ever seen. If he shipped like, $30K i would get it. He can be shoving so many worse hands for value let alone bluffs. You're getting a trillion to 1. Either the stakes are too high or you're trying too hard to be a hero.
You could only think about folding in this spot due to his opponent. He’s always a nit and only plays nutted hands post-flop. It is too exploitable to fold here long term, but this is like a 92-year-old jamming the river on you. You may think he has it and still call 😂 never folding
Worse fold ever. A very strong hand will never go all in to extract some value of flushes. And he could never have the 1st and 2nd nuts as Kipling is holding K2......and a set with monochrome board is always rising the flop.worse fold ever
If you put this hand in the solver with standard ranges, K2 is a check back on the river, and snap fold to a shove. SB has almost no deuce besides A2s (and A2s wouldn't raise for value), so you're looking at full house or bluff, and you're losing to all full house combos. JJ, 99 and J9 is pure bet on the flop, but if the villain is checking J9 then it's safe to assume they will check 99 and JJ at some frequency. K9 wouldn't make it to the river to check jam bluff, so you're looking at JJ, 99, KK, and J9 + KcJx only if the villain realizes that they should bluff there (most people will just cry call or fold). Very dirty spot, theoretically correct fold. All the call station in this comment section couldn't articulate why they would call, and only scream nit when people make probabilistically brilliant play. Against 99% of the population you are just gonna dust off your money here by calling.
"If you put this hand in the solver" lol....this is what poker has become. What a fkn laugh. On the bright side, guy's like you are real easy to bluff too if you are actually finding a fold with a boat in this kind of situation. So I guess solvers are good for something. Btw, if you think 99 percent of population is only gonna shove there with a bigger boat then you need to pull your head away from the computer screen and your solvers and go out into the real world for a minute. Makes me cringe to think about how much you probably get exploited at the tables.
@@calppaccino1234 Flush doesn't jam on the river because there's no weaker hand that will call. I'll bet you very good money that your donkey brain can never find a bluff in this spot. Be honest with yourself, will you ever bluff here with J9s? In fact, I'll bet even better money that you'll flat call with J9s here and cry about bad beat afterwards (it's not a bad beat, you're just bad at poker).
Ok so obviously the fold is atrocious. But is the bluff any good? Would you fold a flush here for this price? Or do you think he was targeting Kx, with show down value it does seem like a strange line to take..
Meh, much more of a bad fold than a good bluff. He doesn’t block Jacks or 9s full, he could have still had them. There’s no reason to bet them on the flop as you could be betting directly into a flopped flush. Clearly the guy is playing beyond his stakes because anyone who isn’t over their head is making that call almost instantly.
A professional or even semi professional would have been able to read the strength of an opponent who would have had pocket 9' / Jacks / Kings.... there would have been a 3 bet preflop or for sure, a re-raise from turn....
@@ericquevedo4388 No I'm saying if you look at the graphic, J9 raised pre-flop and everyone else called. So he could still have all the boat there as well.
@@ericquevedo4388 Dude the guy that was repping JJ and 99 was the guy with J9. he raised pre flop is he gonna re raise himself dude? you seriously either didn't watch or don't know hot to play poker
I read the title and figured it was a double paired board…or make trips on the board. But this? 😂 come on bud. It’s literally the dream river for you. You block kings, 2s…so pocket 9s is basically only thing that beats you.
J9 is shoving for value there trying to get a naked jack to call.. no? Esp since kickers only play on an A. Folding a boat, even a weaker one is absurd there.
I don't get the play style here. Folds baby boat after ages, then a couple of hands later snap calls with KK and goes for run it twice on full boards. Just plain luck he got both boards.
He should have known by turn that nobody had either pocket 9s or pocket Jacks and for sure pocket kings from preflop wagering to flop...... terrible fold with top kicker.....
Dumb fold. Raises to $300 pre-flop, checks the flop, bets $400 on turn and calls a $1000 raise, then overbets all-in for $6K+ on the river. Only a pocket pair beats him, either KK, JJ, or 99. Obviously not JJ or 99, since he would have jammed on the turn with a re-raise. Only KK would make the most sense, but KK would have bet the flop and slowed down on the turn, and likely not called a $1000 raise with two 2's on the board with just KK. All he needed to do was think it through.
Why would you jam the turn with JJ/99 there? You want to keep the BB in the hand and maybe let him try to make a play there rather than jam 13k into 3k pot... Just calling turn and allowing BB to keep playing and check-raising the river with JJ/99 is a valid play there as there are so many hands that will bet the river for value that you beat.
@@HPxG323 Jj 99 make way more sense then Kk. this guy is a fish of all fish. JJ and 99 would flat call to keep his nut flush/2x that are drawing dead in the hand
He’d have won 8K more with kings if he calls with the boat I mean if you fold the boat you fold the KK worrying if it’s AA you’re against Then calls a decent size shove with AJ This guys lost
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Absolutely ridiculous. He's playing too high if he's folding there.
He must have had a good reason 🤷♂️
@@HighStakesHeroes what can possibly be a good reason to fold there?
@JohannaEriksson-kv5hy yeah his good reason was that he is playing too high 😂
All the full houses (they all beat you) are still there and 99% of the population would never bluff here.
@@minhtrietvo8448 but there are so many more bluffs and flushes. Q10s, KQ, Ax, etc. It's only 99 and JJ that you worry about, but if you are worried about those, why would you raise the turn?
What’s the point of playing K2 if you’re just gonna fold when you make a boat?
Solver said K2 is a pure check on the river. Your boat is useless if the only thing your opponent can have is bigger boat. Poker do not give out consolation prize for losing with big hands.
Typical fish thinking. "Uh oh my god I have boat". It doesnt matter what you have if you cant beat value.
@@corey192 you ever stop to think about how much ppl are probably exploiting you at the tables? lol, bro I bet you have no idea.
@@calppaccino1234 interesting. How did you come to this conclusion?
@@corey192 because you talk like most players out there are thinking/playing perfect GTO or something.
You sound like you overthink the game a lot and it's one of the biggest traps ppl fall into imo. You sound like you see monsters under the bed.
He should go play $1-$2
.01/.02
Sorry, I'm never folding there EVER.
Me either
Agreed, it wins 87% of the time
Has to be scared money or a very bad player. He literally has to call.
Never
What is that thing on the side of his face, must have caused him to fold
Thays a snap call all day long
It's really not a snap call lmao. Have you never fold 2 pairs/set to a 4 cards flush, or a full house with 3 cards on the board? Hand ranking does not matter, the only thing that matters is if your hand beats your opponent's hand.
The title is should he fold a full house. If your are folding a full house and worried about a flush maybe we should play cards togeather. The situations you brought up are irrelevant to this situation. Watch the video
@@danl4460 I'm using those hands as an analogy. But in this spot there's no flush, it's all full house and those full house beat you.
It's a very simple idea: It doesn't matter how strong your hand is, the only thing matters is if your hand beats your opponent's hand. Poker does not have consolation prize for losers.
The way the hand played, you must call that full house. If the opponent had the pocket nines or jacks, you congratulate him for how he played the hand
Unless you have no bankroll and are playing with your last 10k.
This is not casual money to lots of these guys at the Lodge Austin
@@luisotrethen he should be playing smaller stakes
@@luisotre He shouldnt be playing at these stakes if he cant afford it
Raise preflop, ber turn and raise all in river. Jacks mkes sense
I hate this fold almost as much as I hate all these bot commenters.
They are on all the poker content on youtube atm 🙁
This guy is horrible! What was he thinking about? If you're going to play K-2 what hand are you expecting to get? You make a flush or a boat and you snap call. If you get coolered then you do, that's poker. You're there to gamble and you have almost the best possible hand you could have with a K-2, JESUS CHRIST, WORST PLAYER EVER, GO HOME SON!!!
If your opponent literally turns over JJ after shoving there would you still call?
This line against most non-professional is extremely face-up. It's always a better full house.
Plays K2, boats up and folds…
It makes some sense to fold, but I’ll never ever ever. No chance. It’ll not even be somewhat a crying call. It’ll be a quick 3 second call.
Yeah, it's a sigh "gg if you have 99" call
😂😂😂
If you can't exploit fold in this spot you're not moving up the stakes.
thats why you dont play with scared money. those are the types of hands you might not love it but you HAVE TO CALL!
No you don't. And this is why I'd never bluff against you donkeys, and will just exploit jam here with only full house and quad and collect your money.
I think there are some situations in which this is the correct fold. He loses to three combos of 99, three combos of JJ, and one combo of KK. He loses to seven total combos, all of which get to the river played this way. However, if I'm in that situation, I must know if my opponent is capable of bluffing - if they are capable, then I MUST make the call there.
J9 is a perfect bluffing hand, along with KJ - as they block higher full houses. The Villain should NOT make this play with the stiff Ace of clubs because his opponent raised the turn and made a pot-sized bet on the river, repping a full house.
Strong logic
actual poker player comment here compared to 90% of chat
I would put villain on nut flush repping a strong boat on that river jam
They block nothing. He could still have any one of those full houses whether you’re holding J9 or KJ.
the sign of someone bad at poker is when they bring up blockers. watch less youtube.
What a nit oh my god
He read way to into it
runner boat and he scared of a higher boat? fold on the flop then if you think they have 9s and js ...
Its easy to be a smartass, but you could at least realize that everybody checked on the flop. Tough to fold in such a situation.
@@MCFoultier does it matter that everyone checked? its just monsters under the bed if you get runner runner boat and you fold. like why play trash to hit your cards just to fold when you hit. doesn't make sense
I could see not reraising if he had more money but to fold is diabolical. Go back to penny stakes.
Possibly one of the most pathetic folds i have ever seen.. Clearly playing above his roll
4:11 - Giving everyone the finger while masssaging his forehead.
4:17 - Fucking around with the chips a little more
4:24 - Going for the gold...
4:42 - Gold plating the poker chips
... just waiting for him to go for the nut cheese.
what's the point in betting 4k in the river after your opponent checks it if you gonna fold for 6k more?!?!?! you just have to pay him off if he really has it. folding there should never be an option at all.
I thought his long tank was just Hollywood drama knowing the cameras were on. I was sure he made the decision to call immediately and was just playing around. Then, he folds! WTF!
wtf this is a snap call
What’s the point of calling the turn just to fold the river which bettered your hand? Doesn’t make sense to me.
I called "clock" and fast forwarded to the nit fold.
Bro the way the betting went, I would have seen flopped nut flush there before KK 99 or JJ.
That's what scared money looks like
on the turn , a 9 or J boat after a RR with 3 of a flush on the board would raise almost always in order to get value in case of a 4th club or another J or 9 on the river
so a call rapresents only capped range like 2p which hopes to improve
I guess he is thinking the raise preflop could indicative of a pair like 99 or even slow played kings or jacks but personally I think a set is always betting a monotone flop so realisticly he should not have a hand that's beating K2. not a good fold imo
If villain's checking J9 he would check 99 and JJ there some percentage of the time as well.
Against most 1/2 donkeys all you will find in that spot is JJ and 99. It's an exploit fold, and you don't have to agree with it, but your reasoning shows me why you'll never get out of low stakes.
Its a classic spot, where if Pier wouldve had him beat, everyone would praise him for making this great fold.. being stupid or being a genius, is very close in poker.
Its definitely not a snapcall, I think it is an extremely underbluffed spot, especially in live poker. There might be a reason why Pier chose to do it against Mr Kipling specifically, and not vs you guys in chat. GG’s
I was having a discussion with a friend recently and he was moaning about how ppl who study solvers are ruining the game and I was telling him I think it's actually a good thing because alot of those guys are actually super easy to exploit lol. They see monsters under the bed alot and tend to make really bad hero folds more than the average player. So when all else fails I just shove on those guys and majority of the time they talk themselves into a fold because the "solver said it was a fold" lol it's so funny.
Yea hes priced in. He gotta call. They were deeper maybe i can see pro folds. Would pier shove flushes here, is the question. If He doesnt, and they were playing deep, maybe a fold?? I like shove cuz he blocking both the sets
If u folding boats , just get off the table
What's with all the scummy meme coin bots?
dead internet ;)
Means there will be an alt season soon
10 minutes of a guy tanking with a boat.
Fine fold. It doesnt matter what you have if you cant beat value in an underbluffed spot.
Need quads to continue 😮
What’s beating his hand?? Wtf are you on!!? Even if he had 9s he already reraised after turn. What a clown. Some players overthink too much😢
Worse fold I have ever seen. If he shipped like, $30K i would get it. He can be shoving so many worse hands for value let alone bluffs. You're getting a trillion to 1. Either the stakes are too high or you're trying too hard to be a hero.
You could only think about folding in this spot due to his opponent. He’s always a nit and only plays nutted hands post-flop. It is too exploitable to fold here long term, but this is like a 92-year-old jamming the river on you. You may think he has it and still call 😂 never folding
Thought the river was gonna be a deuce. In that ca$e, yes, you should fold to a shove with the lines taken, buuuuut it wasn't a 2. 😅😂
Short answer : No
The worst move here isnt the bad fold imo its folding face up !
one of the worst folds ive ever seen
bad fold
The crew rocks!
Mr. Nitling
Think long, think wrong
Worse fold ever. A very strong hand will never go all in to extract some value of flushes. And he could never have the 1st and 2nd nuts as Kipling is holding K2......and a set with monochrome board is always rising the flop.worse fold ever
as soon as he didn’t snap call i knew he didn’t know what he was doing
If you put this hand in the solver with standard ranges, K2 is a check back on the river, and snap fold to a shove. SB has almost no deuce besides A2s (and A2s wouldn't raise for value), so you're looking at full house or bluff, and you're losing to all full house combos. JJ, 99 and J9 is pure bet on the flop, but if the villain is checking J9 then it's safe to assume they will check 99 and JJ at some frequency. K9 wouldn't make it to the river to check jam bluff, so you're looking at JJ, 99, KK, and J9 + KcJx only if the villain realizes that they should bluff there (most people will just cry call or fold).
Very dirty spot, theoretically correct fold. All the call station in this comment section couldn't articulate why they would call, and only scream nit when people make probabilistically brilliant play. Against 99% of the population you are just gonna dust off your money here by calling.
"If you put this hand in the solver" lol....this is what poker has become. What a fkn laugh.
On the bright side, guy's like you are real easy to bluff too if you are actually finding a fold with a boat in this kind of situation. So I guess solvers are good for something.
Btw, if you think 99 percent of population is only gonna shove there with a bigger boat then you need to pull your head away from the computer screen and your solvers and go out into the real world for a minute. Makes me cringe to think about how much you probably get exploited at the tables.
@@calppaccino1234 Flush doesn't jam on the river because there's no weaker hand that will call.
I'll bet you very good money that your donkey brain can never find a bluff in this spot. Be honest with yourself, will you ever bluff here with J9s? In fact, I'll bet even better money that you'll flat call with J9s here and cry about bad beat afterwards (it's not a bad beat, you're just bad at poker).
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I lost $100,000 on that, stay away everybody
@@director2bobthere’s no way you actually fell for one of these. A fool and their money are easily parted.
what a fish folding fullhouse😂😂
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Ok so obviously the fold is atrocious. But is the bluff any good? Would you fold a flush here for this price? Or do you think he was targeting Kx, with show down value it does seem like a strange line to take..
This is a very good bluff. He blocks jacks full and nines full and gets flushes and 2s to insta fold.. even got a full house to fold.
Meh, much more of a bad fold than a good bluff. He doesn’t block Jacks or 9s full, he could have still had them. There’s no reason to bet them on the flop as you could be betting directly into a flopped flush. Clearly the guy is playing beyond his stakes because anyone who isn’t over their head is making that call almost instantly.
Mr. Kipling needs to go back to 1/2. You are getting nearly 4 to 1 on a call with a full house and the 4th nuts blocking the nuts.
Are you sure this guy knows how to play poker?
The only time you should realistically ever fold a boat is in a double paired board situation when you have the lower boat, terrible play
He should never play poker again😂😂😂
That guy that folded can't see the fish at the table
A professional or even semi professional would have been able to read the strength of an opponent who would have had pocket 9' / Jacks / Kings.... there would have been a 3 bet preflop or for sure, a re-raise from turn....
J9 raise pre flop
@minhtrietvo8448 exactly.... if someone was holding pocket 9s/Jacks/or kings.. that raise would have been hit with a 3bet
@@ericquevedo4388 No I'm saying if you look at the graphic, J9 raised pre-flop and everyone else called. So he could still have all the boat there as well.
@@ericquevedo4388 Dude the guy that was repping JJ and 99 was the guy with J9. he raised pre flop is he gonna re raise himself dude? you seriously either didn't watch or don't know hot to play poker
I read the title and figured it was a double paired board…or make trips on the board. But this? 😂 come on bud. It’s literally the dream river for you. You block kings, 2s…so pocket 9s is basically only thing that beats you.
K2 hand, worst poker play I have ever seen in my life., ONLY 6k more. Beyond embarrassing. Go play 5c-10c where you belong.
What a great game, I want to visit Texas and play this game, easy money
Really tuff to find bluffs there i think its plus ev
😂
this guy doesn’t know what he is doing
This is a snap call. If beat.... That's poker
Wasting everyone’s time. If he thinks his full house is beat, it’s already beat a long time ago on the flop
exactly, why go from trips to a boat and become more afraid ? The guy is a complete imbecile.
J9 is shoving for value there trying to get a naked jack to call.. no? Esp since kickers only play on an A. Folding a boat, even a weaker one is absurd there.
Nice improve to a full house on the river tank for 5 minutes and fold. He’s playing above the stakes he should be
crew rocks
Horrible fold lmao
dumb fold only 6k more, that's so stupid
Crew rocks
Now that is a nit!
I don't get the play style here. Folds baby boat after ages, then a couple of hands later snap calls with KK and goes for run it twice on full boards.
Just plain luck he got both boards.
Why play k 2,do you want Quads to call?
He’s worse than Rampage!
Rampage would've called faster than when he called Nik Hairball with AK high.
In that game lol that’s a call
What a fish
IF HE CAN'T CALL THAT HE'S IN THE WRONG GAME. 😊😊😊😊😊
He should have known by turn that nobody had either pocket 9s or pocket Jacks and for sure pocket kings from preflop wagering to flop...... terrible fold with top kicker.....
If he did this to me then called i would say he was slow rollin, he just folded wow😅
And on this same stream not sure if before or after this hand he burns $12000 playing 72
Don't play at these levels if you can't afford to call that K2 boat....that was a clear winner.....
That was painful 🤦🏻♂️
Dumb fold. Raises to $300 pre-flop, checks the flop, bets $400 on turn and calls a $1000 raise, then overbets all-in for $6K+ on the river. Only a pocket pair beats him, either KK, JJ, or 99. Obviously not JJ or 99, since he would have jammed on the turn with a re-raise. Only KK would make the most sense, but KK would have bet the flop and slowed down on the turn, and likely not called a $1000 raise with two 2's on the board with just KK. All he needed to do was think it through.
Why would you jam the turn with JJ/99 there? You want to keep the BB in the hand and maybe let him try to make a play there rather than jam 13k into 3k pot... Just calling turn and allowing BB to keep playing and check-raising the river with JJ/99 is a valid play there as there are so many hands that will bet the river for value that you beat.
@@HPxG323 Jj 99 make way more sense then Kk. this guy is a fish of all fish. JJ and 99 would flat call to keep his nut flush/2x that are drawing dead in the hand
He’d have won 8K more with kings if he calls with the boat
I mean if you fold the boat you fold the KK worrying if it’s AA you’re against
Then calls a decent size shove with AJ
This guys lost
UT education right there. Horns down
His biggest mistake was raising the turn.
Worst fold ever i would call in a second
My luck would have made the call then lost!
Terrible fold. Its so unlikely that Kipling has a boat that Pier could be shoving with nut flush thinking its good. This is a call all day.
He's a fool
FFS, CLOCK! Kipling still believes in monsters under the bed.
Full House shake your head man
He should not be playing these stakes if you can't make that call
there's NO WAY he folded. WHAT.
They shouldn’t allow him to play poker at any where. Period
in a word stupid dumb k 2 fold
he is the dumbest guy on this planet, you only have 9k left and already invested 5k.