I'd like to see 1) A frankenbattery on the IR cordless 2) the 12ah Milwaukee Forge tested and 3) some cheap air tools tested (destroyed) by your new air compressor.
@@TorqueTestChannel now if someone had access to a 3d printer they could build a lower case for the IR batteries that would house 3 rows of 18650's something like the samsung 25r or molicel p26A, you might need to upgrade the thermal fuse on the top of the battery though
They(TorqueTestChannel) did try give Mil more bean by using custom 18v Battery, and most milwaukee tool break down by it's power, so 12ah 18v Forge battery will not exist, or they need limit it some way, but if so, just buy normal 12ah battery instead.
@@TorqueTestChannel Hear me out, get a Flipsky VESC BLDC speed controller and hook it up to the motor that's inside the bricked impact. Even if the sensors are dead the VESC should still be able to calibrate itself to the motor. Then you'll be able to run up to 100V at 100s of amps to it depending on battery and specific model of controller. These controllers are usually designed for electric bikes and skateboards so are very easy to set up. :)
Love to see the reinvestment in the channel. Sounds like there is some practical application for the non channel as well but excited to see what comes next.
A lot of the delay was simply that the 80 gallon IR compressor with decent CFM does everything the shop needed, especially with more and more cordless being used. So this additional 120gallon guy had to be purely on our tab and basically has one use: big fun stuff
That big air impact, if you really want to see what it can put out, hire a diesel compressor that is used by road construction companies for running the big breaker chisels. Those things have almost limitless cfm as they ramp up on demand to keep up with the jackhammers they're designed to run. A company I worked for had 2 huge screw compressors outputting 8 bar into 10000l air tanks so there was plenty of pressure to run all air tools, but the Ingersoll 1" impact always seemed underpowered for its size. So I piped it up to a diesel version that was on hire for construction work using the jackhammer air hoses and connectors you showed. That 1" impact near broke my wrists with the torque, it became a monster.
When he was talking about big air at the beginning, that's what I expected a cut scene to flip to - not the big 120gal electric unit 😂 I look at the specs for my shop air and go "that's a lot of air", then I look at even the small tow behind compressors and get a reality check.
I was so glad to see your comment, it was like hearing an echo of my own thoughts. When I saw the compressor in the video, I was thinking "use a 1" hose and run it from a 980cfm compressor with no receiver".
We use those chicago fittings all the time in aircraft maintenance from really low to very high psi. I've not once seen anyone use the retention clips, or even knew about them till now, and have never had issues with them whatsoever. Real reliable style in my experience
Same here. They make retention clip? Who knew. I have never seen these things come apart in use. Considering I’ve only used these with trailer mounted compressors, I’m pretty sure the results of a loose hose would be noteworthy.
I was thinking the same thing with the clips/cotter pins. They’re supposed to be used but get lost in a hurry here in NYC on the sites using jacks etc. welcome to the big boys club TTC👍😉. For real though congrats on any and all well deserved success and recognition. Thats a beautiful setup ya got there !
Same here, I use almost exclusively hand tools in my woodworking but I love the very thorough evaluation of modern tools and the such without a sponsorship by tool companies. You can trust that they are doing a truly unbiased analysis
I'm a telecom lineman, we use that Milwaukee to install the helical anchors in the ground that hold the weight of the lines on the poles. Not sure what that is? - Those guy wires that come off the pole at an angle and usually have a bright yellow plastic guard on them, they're attached to a metal rod that gets "screwed" into the ground 4-5ft. Traditionally a guy would just put a lever through the eye and literally walk around in like 100 circles as it drives in, often with another guy hitting the anchor with a hammer to add downward force. We LOVE the impact.
We just got a new compressor at the shop to handle the new new equipment we have been installing, an Atlas Copco GA90, 175psi line pressure 480cfm. We already had 2" iron pipe for the header and changed it to now run the full 175 header pressure and installed regulators at all the drops as each machine and use has different requirements where before we just ran 90psi across the shop. The compressor, dryer and regulators ran around $45k installed. IMO totally worth it to not have one of the CNC machines do an emergency shutdown because someone bumped an impact while someone else was arc gouging.
As a technician that works on heavy equipment I'm torn...as long as I'm with the company air will always be the sensible buy. Since the company supply the compressor to back the tools. But at home electric is the way to go. I've had cross threaded 33mm semi bolts before. Electric won't be able to do, hammering for over 10min straight would've killed an electric impact. When duty calls air is sure to follow.
I'm not torn because every of many times I chose industrial equipment (judiciously bought at auction etc) my home gearhead life becomes MUCH more convenient. I use cordless for mobile work like harvesting salvage yard parts where there is no shore power or air or quick jobs around the former farm I live on, air for blasting, needle scaling and the usual stuff in shop, and corded in-shop because accumulating high quality used corded tools like Hole Hawgs, portabands, and especially angle and electric die grinders (welders favor electric for high torque at low RPM, Milwaukee 4196 is an example) go so cheap. I also use portable CO2 cylinders for inflating tires in the field and running pneumatic tools briefly. Construction outfits often roll that way and the CO2 is also shielding gas for MIG welding.
why would you lugg off the nut rather than chop it off if you have to replace it? seems more reasonable to cut the lug so you can swap it faster since it's already junk. Hourly pay is my only guess
@@Comm0ut CO2 is shielding gas for MAG... not MIG. :p mild ACTIVE gas... and you cant do positional welds with it. great penetration, but such a liquid pool that its all horizontal or nothing... whereas trying to use pure argon on MiG doesnt work so well. they actually add a touch of oxygen to allow for easier arc initiation. and a certain percentage of CO2 as argon alone makes the wire tend to ball up and refuse to "wet"... unless its aluminium, of course! only run CO2 mixtures on steel, non-ferrous metals are always pure argon. once you try it, you see exactly what i mean... you cnnot get a good arc transfer with pure argon on steel... and then as the requirements for penetration go up, so does the CO2 concentration... thats why theres "light" and "heavy" versions of MIG gas... depending on your supplier?
I’d love to see/hear you all talk more about shop air system design. When/where to use filters, separators, expansion chambers, etc. Things to consider
I was just using my VERY old Jet 3/4 drive air impact yesterday! Made me realize just how choked down my air lines are while using it, and boy did you just amplify that thought. Guess I'm going to have to run a dedicated medium length hose line off my main 3/4" air trunk. Even being underpowered, it STILL managed to crush 3 receiver cups of my ball joint press while trying (!) to get the lower ball joint out of my 2500HD. I *did* win eventually on that front. ;)
Used ir 1.5 sq impacts at work for installing oil well riser bolts. I think 3.5" acme thread. Your IR rotor is lightened, thats new. The old units had a solid rotor. Also those 4 body bolts would rattle loose or occasionally shear. Loctite didnt hold up after "running riser", 1 install of riser pipe, 300 to 500 bolts. We would have to torque after using the impacts to tighten or B/O. Cool to see more heavy industry stuff on your channel. The world of fastening is big.
I'm excited to see how the $300 Harbor Freight D-handle will do! They also have a 1" pistol grip, surely ya'll will test them? The D handle hits hard, but has always had a stutter when up against something tight, seems like all of them do it.
We found out recently air isn’t going anywhere. Working in a non conditioned industrial setting, air tools are king for reliability. Mainly because of the cooling effect, size, and weight.
Truck mechanic service truck here. Miller Bobcat Air Pack for air can go up 180 psi. For the hard stuff I prefer air; 1", 3/4, and stubby 1/2 impacts; Big Nasty air hammer, grinder etc. For the quick jobs I got a lot of Milwaukee, wished we had those many years ago. The electric drill was a game changer over the air drill.
I work in a heavy truck shop and we have a IR 2850 and a Central Pneumatic Harbor freight 1in and I am very disappointed with the performance of the IR ever since we got it. The old beat up HF gun beats it every time, so am curious to see what numbers that puts out compared to the 2850 in this test. Using the same air line and fittings I’ve had the HF gun buzz off lug nuts that the 2850 wouldn’t even think about loosening.
@@LongLLY but is it the same capacity? I would think the highest rated impact has the highest need for air. Although 1” lines sounds like plenty of air. It’s just that I haven’t ever seen a cheap brand beat a name brand with air tools. But hf might just be the exception.
@@autobootpiloot it’s a 165 gallon compressor with 1 in lines so I do t think air flow is a problem. But I’m no expert. Still just curious to see how the testing compares to my experience.
@@LongLLY G'day Max, I think the 165 gallon/ minute compressor would be way to small for large air tools. 165 gall is 22cfm. My shop compressor was 48 cfm. and the line pressure would quickly go down along with performance. cheers. Butch.
You can now test air rivit busters and chipping hammers. I have the ingersol rand IRG4A1SA In my truck shop works great for seized king pins and suspension bolts
I use the IR 2850 everyday at my job tightening 1 1/8 bolts on blade carriers for brush cutters. I will say that it is one heck of an impact. Far more reliable than the Air Cats and Harbor Fright ones we used in the past which tended to lock up (air motor) more often. The IR on the other hand tightened several thousand more bolts before we ever had any problems. I’m currently on my second one in the last four or so years and it probably sees 6 to 7000 bolts a year.
I ran 3/4 and 1 in impact when I worked in the oilfield and the more pressure and flow the happier they are We usually used a 185 or 235cfm diesel compressor & 150psi with 10’ of 1’ line to a 50gal tank and then however much 1” hose it took to get to the job Our ingersoll 1” would snap 1 1/2 studs fairly easily when the nuts were seized to badly to remove
Great to see that now you have proper equipment for running high power airtools, would be nice to test out the big 3/4inch impacts and also the thor impact to see if you can see diffrence even on half inch stuff with smaller air systems. I don't know what your education is, but your videos have near on scientific approach, but with bit of real life common sense, explained in a way that is easy to understand, and with bit of fun factor as well, especially compared with some other tool testing channels that are not only biased but also don't have clue about the stuff they are doing lol Keep this up👍👍
Ive been a commercial tire tech for over 16 years ive used at least a hundred 1in guns ive had this same IR tear itself apart it lishearf off the bolts at the case and ive had more then 1 do that. The Milwaukee is definitely a beast ive been using it since its release. The dhop i work at uses 2 massive 500gal compressors we can use a lot of 1in guns simultaneously
This is way out of any use case I'll ever have for a tool, but I'm fascinated by the topic of battery vs air. I want to see how the top tool truck models compare with smaller IR and Earthquake XL models. Looking forward to more air videos!
Offshore Pipeline Laying Barges use Chicago fittings on all the air tools. Air tuggers (drum winches) need a lot of air for moving (dragging) things around on the deck. I’ve seen the occasional use of mechanic’s wire to dissuade other workers from disconnecting a specific piece of critical equipment or to keep a line steady because the rubber seal is getting worn out but never seen those clips used.
In Australia those high Flow fittings are called Minsup after their original brand. Been used in mining since before they had electric head lamps. For Rock Drills. Thats bloody high for shop line pressure 150 psi. Just the cost alone to bring it up beyond 100psi on a daily basis would be crazy. To say nothing about the danger if you lost a hose or connection. The trouble is that with that sort of pressure and flow requirement I would be surprised if there was a anti whip valve available to prevent a hose dance. Best practice would be to use a safety chain from the hose to the tool that goes past the fitting. Pretty common to do on extension hoses. Plenty of reasons to ignore all this but to say annoy the neighbors one day you should try an open ended hose with all the air for a few seconds and you might change your mind. A 3 way ball valve to isolate the system is never a bad thing as long as it is installed to allow it to dump system pressure whilst isolating the source.
that's like the crazy tools they use at work with the twist on air hoses for taking apart power plant turbines and such huge bolts holding the steam turbines together
This was a fun video - WAY outside of what I would ever need/use but I really enjoyed it; thank you! Would it be possible to add the illustrated scale of "this much torque to do this job" onto the spreadsheet? Also a bonus question if I can: I am really curious if the DCF923B would be enough for most of my automotive work? (brakes, lugs - 120ftlbs, and other DIY car maintenance - I'm not a mechanic)
Id like to see the big pneumatic tested at straight tank pressure, bypassing the regulator for flow and inertial reasons. Also with a little graphite lube and oil dropped into the air motor.
Finally. I have waited for this episode for a couple of years since Milwaukee and IR came out with the 1 in cordless because I knew air is still miles above my Milwaukee. I just didn't know how much.
I’d be curious to see that Air impact on a portable, tow-behind air compressor. We have an Atlas-Copco compressor on the farm and when none of our impacts worked on a piece of equipment a Deere Technician said we could use a big boi impact on our compressor we previously only used to blow our equipment off with. So we bought an IR, and the first sound out of Dad’s mouth after easily removing the nut was a legit *giggle* 😂
I've followed this channel for a long time. I've bought the charts. And now I have been blessed with the air compressor of my dreams. Thank you for your service 🫡
Working for a Ingersoll Rand air compressor, generators and Tools distributor here in Australia as a field tech there was a couple of things i learnt. 1) There compressors and generators far out weigh the rest and there price proves it when it comes to factory size compressor and gensets. 2) That big boy gun you find there site, thats not there big boy guns😂. You go on there industrial equipment site and look at there 1 1/2inch guns and 2inch gun🤯. Talking $10,000 guns that need to have 2inch airline plugged into them. They have twin long handles on them for 2 men to operate with a remote trigger like a post hole auger drill and are for bridge and sky scrapper building and mining equipment.
When I’m using an air tool for anything length of time, I always hold the tool down, and turn my regulator up while it’s running, that way working pressure is spot on!
Those are insane numberts. I have tried a few 3/4 and 1" tools with my air tank nd like your first one it just didn't have the zoomzoom to make them go. That IR battery power is impressive. Big dollars boys!
Damn all of this stuff looks so fun, and that new compressor looks nice*! Glad to see you investing in the channel and your shop! Also, don't think you mentioned it in the video, but make sure those big impacts are fed a basically constant mist of oil in the air supply (either an oiler if you can find one that doesn't restrict flow too much, or just pour some oil [no too much that you hydrolock it on oil though lol] in the far end of the hose every now and then so it gets atomized as the air flows through) - it doesn't just prevent rust, it helps *seal the vanes in the motor and put as much of that air pressure as possible to work turning the rotor!
@TorqueTestChannel Few things that might be helpful, since I'm a pressure equipment pro(tm): First a bit of information you probably already know, but in the unlikely event you don't it may be exciting news: IME there aren't any real complications to having multiple compressors or receivers on the same air system, as long as all the involved pressure piping is done to code. So you could very well connect your old compressor and your new compressor (with associated receivers) together, netting you an air system with flow and storage capacity equal to the sum of both compressors/receivers. I would recommend setting the pressure switches in a staggered configuration so the smaller compressor runs as lead (higher pressure setpoint, smaller deadband), and the larger compressor runs as lag (lower pressure setpoint so it only kicks in when the air system is under heavy load, but with a larger deadband so it still runs up to the same pressure as the other compressor) - among other things the more you cycle a compressor, the harder it is on it, and it's generally better to wear the smaller compressor out first because it should be much cheaper to fix or replace. Another interesting piece of information (may or may not be useful): one can buy ASME BPVC Section VIII Division 1 air receivers separately from compressors (often much, much cheaper than the same receiver would be as part of a "matched set" with a compressor for weird market reasons I won't get into), then hook an existing compressor up to them - or even append them to an existing air system to reduce cycling of the compressor (which can extend compressor lifespan) and provide increased pressure stability when the compressor cannot keep up with the load. The sky is pretty much the limit as to size if you reach out to a vendor that actually specializes in pressure tanks - for example (not endorsing this vendor at all, I've never bought anything from them, their catalog was just easy to find) AA Tanks makes a whole range of 200 PSI air receivers from a modest 30 gallons all the way up to a mammoth 1060 gallons as standard... or larger/higher pressure if ordered custom. Largest air receiver that vendor makes is 30,000 gallons at 150 PSI - well into the range where it'd only make sense at absolutely massive industrial sites for specialized process applications, or perhaps large factories that make heavy use of high-flow air tools. Not sure any of that will be helpful or even novel information, but I figured since I have significant professional experience working with pressure equipment [albeit I do a fair bit more work on other kinds of pressure equipment than I do on air compressors] I'm obligated to share what I can just in case.
For future reference, you can rent a small(er) tow-behind diesel compressor that'll give you the sustained CFM you need. Think, road crew with a jackhammer. Also, how does the Milwaukee do with a Forge battery?
We know, but we didn't want to be able to just test this sort of category once or every now and again, more like every time we see something cool you guys would want to see. We included how the 1" M18 does with the FORGE
Was recommended to buy a 2850. Did so, with high expectation. Unfortunately it never came close to our old air cat 1850. I am really disappointed with it. (Both on 130 psi line pressure)
@@TorqueTestChannel Rent... You can literally pick up those diesel powered compressors at any Richie Bros auction for less than $1000. Got a portable generator / compressor for $650 at the auction. It was so good we never even bothered running power to the new farm shop. I get that's not the point though, so congrats on the serious upgrade.
Second! Been waiting for this review forever...i have to say most shops aren't running the air lines with the consideration that you've given. I'll bet most of these air impacts are running at about 70 to 80% due to air line setup.
I agree, and I see it too in clips seen around. But if we're going to attempt to call brands out on the specs they advertise, we gotta try and replicate their lab conditions best we can
In my experience there is no such thing as running on 70%. With too little air the larger stuff just falls on its face completely. I have a 3/4 impact that beats the 1” on most air systems. But as soon as I use proper air the 1” is on another level. And most shops don’t have the air for a super powerful impact. The lines are to small usually.
I've seen you guys mention not wanting to test larger air tools because of the lack of ability to maintain proper pressure in the tool. I personally would LOVE to see you guys show the power lost on a handful of larger air impacts when using standard/more common 3/8" and 1/2" air lines you would find in most shops. I have personally thought about getting a 3/4" air impact to use, but am unsure if it would be worth the expense when being used with normal 1/2" flex hoses connected to 3/4" hard lines on a normal 80 gal compressor. That being said, I love all your videos and please keep up the good work!
I’ve used this IR professionally on semis and I can say the harbour freight earthquake 1 inch d handle is more powerful than the IR in my shop compressor
I would suggest to everyone who uses the Chicago style fittings to use the Retention clips for Safety. If a worn fitting attached at the tool were to come off while hammering the 3/4 or 1 inch hose would whip pretty violently until the ball valve on that line was closed shutting off air flow. On a paving breaker they use a cable device called a Whip check to capture the line just for that purpose.
I'd really like to see you test HF and other 1" air wrenches. It would be fun to see what they can do on a 150psi 80 gallon air compressor fed by a full size half inch line with half inch couplings. That's affordable. The hose and fittings are available at HF. 175 psi 80 gallon air compressors aren't that expensive or rare in farm shops.
My shop has both IR air impact wrenches, the 285B and 2850MAX. The 285B feels like it hits harder because it is able to remove truck lugs where the MAX sometimes struggles.
@@fZionists78 Some of the disconnect with viewers and the super high numbers we show come from torque specs. Torque specs are to install something, which is why they give you that spec, to use a torque wrench. Most techs aren't NEEDING the impact to install, it's to remove it once mother nature has had its way with the bolt or nut. If you need a 600 ft-lbs mid torque to tackle most lug nuts that will roll in on passenger vehicles, and those are maybe 100 ft-lb spec. imagine what you need on something with a 500 ft-lb spec to remove 100% of the time.
@fZionists78 we work on freightliner, navistar, kenworths and other types of semi trucks and box trucks and different types of cargo trailers. Some people don't like to torque stuff down and just full send the impacts, on top of mother nature setting in, some lugs need a torch in order to be removed
As a note on the air, the cost of supplying the air and compressing the air are two distinct costs. Many independent operations are 1-2 users sporadically which does not require alot of compressor volume if you can store the air. In an extreme sense a continuous run 120v high quality compressor can fill a very large tank if given enough time. The trick is safely storing that air as new large rated air tanks [no compressor] are quite spendy too. Getting this cost down is easier than compressor cost if you are creative. And finally 1" regulators with 3/4" pipe is a minimum for even higher torque 3/4" impact guns. Dixon makes a 3/4" body quick connect; DF series.
Glad to see my irl experience is matched by the numbers on screen. I much prefer the ir 285b over the Milwaukee even in the feild with a smaller service truck compressor.
my service truck much like many others uses a vmac for is air and i wonder what kind of numbers it would produce vs the electric 1 inch guns i just have a jet 1inch that I'm not overly fond of it was just what was available when i needed one (seems the company moto is "don't worry about it till its a problem") ironically but not surprisingly causes more problems then it avoids.
If you ever want more air just add a second compressor anywhere in your system that seems wise. You can also use a mobile diesel or gas powered compressor on a trailer feeding a Chicago fitting connected to your system then just rent one for reviews or score one to have handy depending on what you do for fun. Those who blast can never have too much air and a convenient way to add more is add more compressors. Those who care can stagger pressure switch settings to favor one compressor and of course you can run as few or many as you want. I prefer used industrial three phase industrial compressors then instead of running three phase (expensive and often billed at commercial rates, and expensive to run to most shops in the US) then run them off a rotary phase converter (used are fairly easy to find but there are plenty of kits where you supply the motor) which then allows you to use all sorts of industrial equipment including transformer style welders most people pass by because they don't understand the rather simple systems. For example my current system is easy to copy and because most of it's on steel dollies if you rent or want easy shop reconfig is VERY easy to move.I tack weld compressor/motor decks or horizontal tank feet to my self made simple rectangular bases which use round shank scaffolding casters. I don't plumb my shops with pipe or tubing. I use red air hose (3/4" bore) and Chicago couplings for the main supply hoses between my two compressors and large industrial receiver tank (home gamers rarely think to grab those). The receiver tank is vertical and outside my shop. I raised it by welding a lifting eye to the plug on top. When you run two or more motors from a rotary phase converter each makes the next motor easier to start by joining the fun. I strongly suggest reading the Practical Machinist forum on the subject. Chicago fittings like others permit easy addition of taps by cutting hose then installing Chicago couplings on the severed ends. Then I add a simple tee pipe fitting to bridge the gap and have a (valved) Chicago outlet. You can and I do keep adapters with standard air chuck sizes so I can run smaller "whips" where appropriate. Big air for MUCH improved abrasive blasting capability is glorious and the above method permits a smaller electrical feed than required to start individual large electric motors. If your location has multiple electrical feeds adding compressors is even easier. I should have done this thirty years ago. I can rearrange my shop for very low effort (I'm elderly and thoroughly damaged) and move equipment for cleanup. Even my lathe and mill are mobile but I don't leave the running gear bolted on.
We have the 285B and 2850max in our shop at work. This new one with higher specs don't hit as hard, it struggles more to break loose rusted lug nuts. It does seem to be faster spinning and lighter however.
The expenses on this video just show how impressive cordless tech is nowadays, especially seeing how much backlash they got back in the 2000s for not being comparable to corded. Sorry for asking this when so much money was burned on this video, but is there any info about the Makita 1" Impact? It showed up in a vietnamese channel and was expecting so see it in this comparison.
Those Chicago safety pins save lives. I saw someone get clobbered in the face because there was no safety pin and the fitting wasn't seated correctly.That's a lot of force from a trailer compressor
A lot of those air tools are underairpowered. One nice trick that is done for frozen and rusted bolts is to let full pressure of 120 to 150 pounds for that extra UMPTH to get the bolt loose. For truck drivers or other trucks with air brakes, one can add a air tap for air tools. I have done that on my truck and letting the air pump up to full 130 psi really make that air tool sounds like to about to explode. LOL
Always a good watch. I still use air tools along side cordless, and have a 1 inch hydraulic line ,of about 12 yards specifically for high CFM tooling, and have the inch air guns gear fitted with HGV Air Brake C Couplings. Seem to work well. Keep up the great work. Regards k
There's an option outside diesel to maintain load. You can mechanically bank compressors. It sounds like TTC already has a large second piston unit. On smaller systems, you can bank two compressors with buffer tanks and check valves leading into one regulator. It's inefficient as you need to fully power two compressors but they will totally synchronize if you duplicate the setup to the primary regulator. I do a buffer tank then drier regulator with oiler to keep these valves from failing. On larger systems, you can use a primer tank to keep the valve from restricting air flow by ensuring it's fully opened. This is just awkward because it's hard to find less restricted fittings. It's doable but helps to have a mill and lathe. It requires caution when the compressors are not of identical power. The assembly must fail shut so that the smaller compressor only contributes during pressure drops where any over the rated pressure those check valves close.
For those on a budget, buffer tanks near the work space can help cheat some air demand issues remember when you double your diameter, you quadruple your flow.
Is time to start doing test with all 3/4 air impact wrenches, you have to do all the test with the aircat vibrotherm impact wrenches the 3/4" and 1" people will amaze of those impacts
I own the ir air gun and the Milwaukee. The air gun absolutely hits harder but never use it over the Milwaukee. I’ve had a few luck nuts it had to hammer on for a bit but better then running the compressor. Most service truck compressors you need to let it build back up 1/2 through tightening them back up
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I'd like to see 1) A frankenbattery on the IR cordless 2) the 12ah Milwaukee Forge tested and 3) some cheap air tools tested (destroyed) by your new air compressor.
We tried to run the IR on 24V and bricked the $1000 impact ua-cam.com/video/vHVuF8YvCu0/v-deo.html
@@TorqueTestChannel now if someone had access to a 3d printer they could build a lower case for the IR batteries that would house 3 rows of 18650's something like the samsung 25r or molicel p26A, you might need to upgrade the thermal fuse on the top of the battery though
@@TorqueTestChannelYou guys really are the best, no one else does that kind of research and devotion to the cause of beans
They(TorqueTestChannel) did try give Mil more bean by using custom 18v Battery, and most milwaukee tool break down by it's power, so 12ah 18v Forge battery will not exist, or they need limit it some way, but if so, just buy normal 12ah battery instead.
@@TorqueTestChannel Hear me out, get a Flipsky VESC BLDC speed controller and hook it up to the motor that's inside the bricked impact. Even if the sensors are dead the VESC should still be able to calibrate itself to the motor. Then you'll be able to run up to 100V at 100s of amps to it depending on battery and specific model of controller. These controllers are usually designed for electric bikes and skateboards so are very easy to set up. :)
Love to see the reinvestment in the channel.
Sounds like there is some practical application for the non channel as well but excited to see what comes next.
A lot of the delay was simply that the 80 gallon IR compressor with decent CFM does everything the shop needed, especially with more and more cordless being used. So this additional 120gallon guy had to be purely on our tab and basically has one use: big fun stuff
@@TorqueTestChannel If your compressors are getting in your way, and cramping your style, please feel free to send either, or both, my way! 🤣
@@TorqueTestChannel sounds like more air tools are coming. Can't wait to see that
Yeah, now they can remove Honda crank bolts!
@TorqueTestChannel Twin Twin air hammer. If 2 is good, is 4 better?
That big air impact, if you really want to see what it can put out, hire a diesel compressor that is used by road construction companies for running the big breaker chisels.
Those things have almost limitless cfm as they ramp up on demand to keep up with the jackhammers they're designed to run.
A company I worked for had 2 huge screw compressors outputting 8 bar into 10000l air tanks so there was plenty of pressure to run all air tools, but the Ingersoll 1" impact always seemed underpowered for its size.
So I piped it up to a diesel version that was on hire for construction work using the jackhammer air hoses and connectors you showed.
That 1" impact near broke my wrists with the torque, it became a monster.
When he was talking about big air at the beginning, that's what I expected a cut scene to flip to - not the big 120gal electric unit 😂
I look at the specs for my shop air and go "that's a lot of air", then I look at even the small tow behind compressors and get a reality check.
That's likely the setup it's designed for. Use on railway bolts and various heavy building/highway fasteners, especially rusty ones. .
The towable compressors are almost always 208 cfm.
I was so glad to see your comment, it was like hearing an echo of my own thoughts. When I saw the compressor in the video, I was thinking "use a 1" hose and run it from a 980cfm compressor with no receiver".
Or buy an industrial 3-phase screw compressor if you have 480 volt 3-phase.
We use those chicago fittings all the time in aircraft maintenance from really low to very high psi. I've not once seen anyone use the retention clips, or even knew about them till now, and have never had issues with them whatsoever. Real reliable style in my experience
I'll be honest, the retention clips are mainly for on camera use
Same here.
They make retention clip? Who knew.
I have never seen these things come apart in use. Considering I’ve only used these with trailer mounted compressors, I’m pretty sure the results of a loose hose would be noteworthy.
At the plant I work at we have these on the air and water hoses and the only time we ever use them is on the water hoses.
How do these compare to Thor fittings? We use them at work for air/water/steam because they have a locking collar and I would consider them "safer".
I was thinking the same thing with the clips/cotter pins. They’re supposed to be used but get lost in a hurry here in NYC on the sites using jacks etc. welcome to the big boys club TTC👍😉. For real though congrats on any and all well deserved success and recognition. Thats a beautiful setup ya got there !
Since this channels inception, I have found myself looking forward to Fridays more than ever before!
TTF! Torque Test Friday!
Same here, I use almost exclusively hand tools in my woodworking but I love the very thorough evaluation of modern tools and the such without a sponsorship by tool companies. You can trust that they are doing a truly unbiased analysis
Likewise, been around since the first few vids. Informative and entertaining as always for hardware nerds like me.
@@erinklein4144TGITTF
Agreed, I really enjoy the speaking format. The snarky jokes, the vague *cough cough*s. Dig it
I'm a telecom lineman, we use that Milwaukee to install the helical anchors in the ground that hold the weight of the lines on the poles. Not sure what that is? - Those guy wires that come off the pole at an angle and usually have a bright yellow plastic guard on them, they're attached to a metal rod that gets "screwed" into the ground 4-5ft. Traditionally a guy would just put a lever through the eye and literally walk around in like 100 circles as it drives in, often with another guy hitting the anchor with a hammer to add downward force. We LOVE the impact.
We just got a new compressor at the shop to handle the new new equipment we have been installing, an Atlas Copco GA90, 175psi line pressure 480cfm. We already had 2" iron pipe for the header and changed it to now run the full 175 header pressure and installed regulators at all the drops as each machine and use has different requirements where before we just ran 90psi across the shop. The compressor, dryer and regulators ran around $45k installed. IMO totally worth it to not have one of the CNC machines do an emergency shutdown because someone bumped an impact while someone else was arc gouging.
6:34 my jingles have been jangled 😂
You've got spurs
That song ain't so very far from wrong
As a technician that works on heavy equipment I'm torn...as long as I'm with the company air will always be the sensible buy. Since the company supply the compressor to back the tools. But at home electric is the way to go.
I've had cross threaded 33mm semi bolts before. Electric won't be able to do, hammering for over 10min straight would've killed an electric impact. When duty calls air is sure to follow.
Had a breakdown one time, tire went bad on the trailer. Shop found crossthreaded lug, 33mm. Took an extra hour due to stud changeout.
Wait and see how the Dewalt 60v will test. I get the strong feeling that it’ll be a channel record for a very long time.
I'm not torn because every of many times I chose industrial equipment (judiciously bought at auction etc) my home gearhead life becomes MUCH more convenient. I use cordless for mobile work like harvesting salvage yard parts where there is no shore power or air or quick jobs around the former farm I live on, air for blasting, needle scaling and the usual stuff in shop, and corded in-shop because accumulating high quality used corded tools like Hole Hawgs, portabands, and especially angle and electric die grinders (welders favor electric for high torque at low RPM, Milwaukee 4196 is an example) go so cheap. I also use portable CO2 cylinders for inflating tires in the field and running pneumatic tools briefly. Construction outfits often roll that way and the CO2 is also shielding gas for MIG welding.
why would you lugg off the nut rather than chop it off if you have to replace it? seems more reasonable to cut the lug so you can swap it faster since it's already junk. Hourly pay is my only guess
@@Comm0ut CO2 is shielding gas for MAG... not MIG. :p
mild ACTIVE gas...
and you cant do positional welds with it. great penetration, but such a liquid pool that its all horizontal or nothing...
whereas trying to use pure argon on MiG doesnt work so well. they actually add a touch of oxygen to allow for easier arc initiation. and a certain percentage of CO2 as argon alone makes the wire tend to ball up and refuse to "wet"... unless its aluminium, of course! only run CO2 mixtures on steel, non-ferrous metals are always pure argon.
once you try it, you see exactly what i mean... you cnnot get a good arc transfer with pure argon on steel...
and then as the requirements for penetration go up, so does the CO2 concentration... thats why theres "light" and "heavy" versions of MIG gas... depending on your supplier?
I’d love to see/hear you all talk more about shop air system design. When/where to use filters, separators, expansion chambers, etc. Things to consider
I was just using my VERY old Jet 3/4 drive air impact yesterday! Made me realize just how choked down my air lines are while using it, and boy did you just amplify that thought. Guess I'm going to have to run a dedicated medium length hose line off my main 3/4" air trunk.
Even being underpowered, it STILL managed to crush 3 receiver cups of my ball joint press while trying (!) to get the lower ball joint out of my 2500HD. I *did* win eventually on that front. ;)
Used ir 1.5 sq impacts at work for installing oil well riser bolts. I think 3.5" acme thread. Your IR rotor is lightened, thats new. The old units had a solid rotor. Also those 4 body bolts would rattle loose or occasionally shear. Loctite didnt hold up after "running riser", 1 install of riser pipe, 300 to 500 bolts. We would have to torque after using the impacts to tighten or B/O. Cool to see more heavy industry stuff on your channel. The world of fastening is big.
I'm excited to see how the $300 Harbor Freight D-handle will do! They also have a 1" pistol grip, surely ya'll will test them? The D handle hits hard, but has always had a stutter when up against something tight, seems like all of them do it.
Ooo this’ll be a fun one. I have absolutely no use for an impact this big. Do i want one? Of couse i do
Same. I literally can't think of a single situation where I would use a 1" impact. I desperately need it.
We found out recently air isn’t going anywhere. Working in a non conditioned industrial setting, air tools are king for reliability. Mainly because of the cooling effect, size, and weight.
You are right. You can run non stop and never overheat.
Truck mechanic service truck here. Miller Bobcat Air Pack for air can go up 180 psi. For the hard stuff I prefer air; 1", 3/4, and stubby 1/2 impacts; Big Nasty air hammer, grinder etc. For the quick jobs I got a lot of Milwaukee, wished we had those many years ago. The electric drill was a game changer over the air drill.
Man, I love watching your Videos about tools I will never need or be able to afford, Friday highlight.
I work in a heavy truck shop and we have a IR 2850 and a Central Pneumatic Harbor freight 1in and I am very disappointed with the performance of the IR ever since we got it. The old beat up HF gun beats it every time, so am curious to see what numbers that puts out compared to the 2850 in this test. Using the same air line and fittings I’ve had the HF gun buzz off lug nuts that the 2850 wouldn’t even think about loosening.
Smaller air guns perform better than larger air guns if the air is insufficient. Just something to keep in mind.
@@autobootpiloot the Chicago pneumatic is the same size as the IR gun plus we have all 1in air lines
@@LongLLY but is it the same capacity? I would think the highest rated impact has the highest need for air. Although 1” lines sounds like plenty of air.
It’s just that I haven’t ever seen a cheap brand beat a name brand with air tools. But hf might just be the exception.
@@autobootpiloot it’s a 165 gallon compressor with 1 in lines so I do t think air flow is a problem. But I’m no expert. Still just curious to see how the testing compares to my experience.
@@LongLLY G'day Max, I think the 165 gallon/ minute compressor would be way to small for large air tools. 165 gall is 22cfm. My shop compressor was 48 cfm. and the line pressure would quickly go down along with performance. cheers. Butch.
You can now test air rivit busters and chipping hammers.
I have the ingersol rand IRG4A1SA
In my truck shop works great for seized king pins and suspension bolts
I use the IR 2850 everyday at my job tightening 1 1/8 bolts on blade carriers for brush cutters. I will say that it is one heck of an impact. Far more reliable than the Air Cats and Harbor Fright ones we used in the past which tended to lock up (air motor) more often. The IR on the other hand tightened several thousand more bolts before we ever had any problems. I’m currently on my second one in the last four or so years and it probably sees 6 to 7000 bolts a year.
do you use oil?
Since you broached the topic, I would be curious to see a test on water separators and regulators. Such as flow rate and filtering capacity.
Include a (well done) home made Franzinator as they've been famous for decades.
Can't wait to see that 60v DeWalt and if it takes the 1" cordless crown. Very interesting indeed. Been waiting on them to release 60v impacts.
I'm glad that thing topped the charts after all you spent to make this happen. Awesome video!
I ran 3/4 and 1 in impact when I worked in the oilfield and the more pressure and flow the happier they are
We usually used a 185 or 235cfm diesel compressor & 150psi with 10’ of 1’ line to a 50gal tank and then however much 1” hose it took to get to the job
Our ingersoll 1” would snap 1 1/2 studs fairly easily when the nuts were seized to badly to remove
Excellent job! I love your new air rig. A rematch of the 1/2" air impacts might be in order!
I didn’t expect to see the top impact on this channel ever get beat to its knees by a 1/4” shank makita 10:50
lol
Not something I would ever need, but I did learn a few things.
"A+" Great video!
Great to see that now you have proper equipment for running high power airtools, would be nice to test out the big 3/4inch impacts and also the thor impact to see if you can see diffrence even on half inch stuff with smaller air systems.
I don't know what your education is, but your videos have near on scientific approach, but with bit of real life common sense, explained in a way that is easy to understand, and with bit of fun factor as well, especially compared with some other tool testing channels that are not only biased but also don't have clue about the stuff they are doing lol
Keep this up👍👍
Many of the brands there is no differance between the 3/4 and 1" except the anvil. The ir285 is one of them
Ive been a commercial tire tech for over 16 years ive used at least a hundred 1in guns ive had this same IR tear itself apart it lishearf off the bolts at the case and ive had more then 1 do that. The Milwaukee is definitely a beast ive been using it since its release. The dhop i work at uses 2 massive 500gal compressors we can use a lot of 1in guns simultaneously
Thanks for all the great testing you do!!
THIS CHANNEL BRINGS THE BEANS EVERY DAMN TIME!!!!!
This is way out of any use case I'll ever have for a tool, but I'm fascinated by the topic of battery vs air. I want to see how the top tool truck models compare with smaller IR and Earthquake XL models. Looking forward to more air videos!
I have no use currently for any of these tools. Yet I still love watching these vids
Offshore Pipeline Laying Barges use Chicago fittings on all the air tools. Air tuggers (drum winches) need a lot of air for moving (dragging) things around on the deck. I’ve seen the occasional use of mechanic’s wire to dissuade other workers from disconnecting a specific piece of critical equipment or to keep a line steady because the rubber seal is getting worn out but never seen those clips used.
It finally happened! Love this
No one’s said it yet?
*Lube tech:* Can’t wait to use this to tighten those pesky oil drain plugs
In Australia those high Flow fittings are called Minsup after their original brand. Been used in mining since before they had electric head lamps. For Rock Drills.
Thats bloody high for shop line pressure 150 psi. Just the cost alone to bring it up beyond 100psi on a daily basis would be crazy. To say nothing about the danger if you lost a hose or connection. The trouble is that with that sort of pressure and flow requirement I would be surprised if there was a anti whip valve available to prevent a hose dance. Best practice would be to use a safety chain from the hose to the tool that goes past the fitting. Pretty common to do on extension hoses. Plenty of reasons to ignore all this but to say annoy the neighbors one day you should try an open ended hose with all the air for a few seconds and you might change your mind. A 3 way ball valve to isolate the system is never a bad thing as long as it is installed to allow it to dump system pressure whilst isolating the source.
"Whip check" safety cables easily solve the dancing hose issue and are inexpensive.
We have Chicago fittings and glad hands across the shop. Some of the shops I've been in use 2"
@@alexhise968 with big enough pipe, no tank needed.
that's like the crazy tools they use at work with the twist on air hoses for taking apart power plant turbines and such huge bolts holding the steam turbines together
This was a fun video - WAY outside of what I would ever need/use but I really enjoyed it; thank you! Would it be possible to add the illustrated scale of "this much torque to do this job" onto the spreadsheet? Also a bonus question if I can: I am really curious if the DCF923B would be enough for most of my automotive work? (brakes, lugs - 120ftlbs, and other DIY car maintenance - I'm not a mechanic)
Id like to see the big pneumatic tested at straight tank pressure, bypassing the regulator for flow and inertial reasons. Also with a little graphite lube and oil dropped into the air motor.
Finally. I have waited for this episode for a couple of years since Milwaukee and IR came out with the 1 in cordless because I knew air is still miles above my Milwaukee. I just didn't know how much.
I’d be curious to see that Air impact on a portable, tow-behind air compressor. We have an Atlas-Copco compressor on the farm and when none of our impacts worked on a piece of equipment a Deere Technician said we could use a big boi impact on our compressor we previously only used to blow our equipment off with. So we bought an IR, and the first sound out of Dad’s mouth after easily removing the nut was a legit *giggle* 😂
I teed off the compressor to a 1/2" hose for sand blasting or other super high CFM tools.
I've followed this channel for a long time. I've bought the charts. And now I have been blessed with the air compressor of my dreams. Thank you for your service 🫡
This is directly where those rank charts dollars go, testing equipment. Couldnt happen without you
Working for a Ingersoll Rand air compressor, generators and Tools distributor here in Australia as a field tech there was a couple of things i learnt. 1) There compressors and generators far out weigh the rest and there price proves it when it comes to factory size compressor and gensets. 2) That big boy gun you find there site, thats not there big boy guns😂. You go on there industrial equipment site and look at there 1 1/2inch guns and 2inch gun🤯. Talking $10,000 guns that need to have 2inch airline plugged into them. They have twin long handles on them for 2 men to operate with a remote trigger like a post hole auger drill and are for bridge and sky scrapper building and mining equipment.
When I’m using an air tool for anything length of time, I always hold the tool down, and turn my regulator up while it’s running, that way working pressure is spot on!
Those are insane numberts. I have tried a few 3/4 and 1" tools with my air tank nd like your first one it just didn't have the zoomzoom to make them go. That IR battery power is impressive. Big dollars boys!
Damn all of this stuff looks so fun, and that new compressor looks nice*! Glad to see you investing in the channel and your shop! Also, don't think you mentioned it in the video, but make sure those big impacts are fed a basically constant mist of oil in the air supply (either an oiler if you can find one that doesn't restrict flow too much, or just pour some oil [no too much that you hydrolock it on oil though lol] in the far end of the hose every now and then so it gets atomized as the air flows through) - it doesn't just prevent rust, it helps *seal the vanes in the motor and put as much of that air pressure as possible to work turning the rotor!
@TorqueTestChannel Few things that might be helpful, since I'm a pressure equipment pro(tm):
First a bit of information you probably already know, but in the unlikely event you don't it may be exciting news: IME there aren't any real complications to having multiple compressors or receivers on the same air system, as long as all the involved pressure piping is done to code. So you could very well connect your old compressor and your new compressor (with associated receivers) together, netting you an air system with flow and storage capacity equal to the sum of both compressors/receivers. I would recommend setting the pressure switches in a staggered configuration so the smaller compressor runs as lead (higher pressure setpoint, smaller deadband), and the larger compressor runs as lag (lower pressure setpoint so it only kicks in when the air system is under heavy load, but with a larger deadband so it still runs up to the same pressure as the other compressor) - among other things the more you cycle a compressor, the harder it is on it, and it's generally better to wear the smaller compressor out first because it should be much cheaper to fix or replace.
Another interesting piece of information (may or may not be useful): one can buy ASME BPVC Section VIII Division 1 air receivers separately from compressors (often much, much cheaper than the same receiver would be as part of a "matched set" with a compressor for weird market reasons I won't get into), then hook an existing compressor up to them - or even append them to an existing air system to reduce cycling of the compressor (which can extend compressor lifespan) and provide increased pressure stability when the compressor cannot keep up with the load.
The sky is pretty much the limit as to size if you reach out to a vendor that actually specializes in pressure tanks - for example (not endorsing this vendor at all, I've never bought anything from them, their catalog was just easy to find) AA Tanks makes a whole range of 200 PSI air receivers from a modest 30 gallons all the way up to a mammoth 1060 gallons as standard... or larger/higher pressure if ordered custom. Largest air receiver that vendor makes is 30,000 gallons at 150 PSI - well into the range where it'd only make sense at absolutely massive industrial sites for specialized process applications, or perhaps large factories that make heavy use of high-flow air tools.
Not sure any of that will be helpful or even novel information, but I figured since I have significant professional experience working with pressure equipment [albeit I do a fair bit more work on other kinds of pressure equipment than I do on air compressors] I'm obligated to share what I can just in case.
That Dewalt Flexvolt 1" Prototype has me kinda giddy. Hopefully they release it and it lives up to how great their flexvolt line is in general.
thats the c8 of vettes, also curious if it can touch a milwaukee
For future reference, you can rent a small(er) tow-behind diesel compressor that'll give you the sustained CFM you need. Think, road crew with a jackhammer. Also, how does the Milwaukee do with a Forge battery?
We know, but we didn't want to be able to just test this sort of category once or every now and again, more like every time we see something cool you guys would want to see. We included how the 1" M18 does with the FORGE
@@TorqueTestChannel missed the Forge segment, thanks! Maybe big red can give us an impact with an MX Fuel battery? One can dream!
Was recommended to buy a 2850. Did so, with high expectation. Unfortunately it never came close to our old air cat 1850. I am really disappointed with it. (Both on 130 psi line pressure)
@@TorqueTestChannel Rent... You can literally pick up those diesel powered compressors at any Richie Bros auction for less than $1000. Got a portable generator / compressor for $650 at the auction. It was so good we never even bothered running power to the new farm shop. I get that's not the point though, so congrats on the serious upgrade.
@@johndeerekid167don't buy anything there freshly painted 😂
Second!
Been waiting for this review forever...i have to say most shops aren't running the air lines with the consideration that you've given. I'll bet most of these air impacts are running at about 70 to 80% due to air line setup.
I agree, and I see it too in clips seen around. But if we're going to attempt to call brands out on the specs they advertise, we gotta try and replicate their lab conditions best we can
In my experience there is no such thing as running on 70%. With too little air the larger stuff just falls on its face completely. I have a 3/4 impact that beats the 1” on most air systems. But as soon as I use proper air the 1” is on another level.
And most shops don’t have the air for a super powerful impact. The lines are to small usually.
99% water 1%air where im at
I've seen you guys mention not wanting to test larger air tools because of the lack of ability to maintain proper pressure in the tool. I personally would LOVE to see you guys show the power lost on a handful of larger air impacts when using standard/more common 3/8" and 1/2" air lines you would find in most shops. I have personally thought about getting a 3/4" air impact to use, but am unsure if it would be worth the expense when being used with normal 1/2" flex hoses connected to 3/4" hard lines on a normal 80 gal compressor. That being said, I love all your videos and please keep up the good work!
I’ve used this IR professionally on semis and I can say the harbour freight earthquake 1 inch d handle is more powerful than the IR in my shop compressor
Came here to say the latest video just proved me right lol
I would suggest to everyone who uses the Chicago style fittings to use the Retention clips for Safety.
If a worn fitting attached at the tool were to come off while hammering the 3/4 or 1 inch hose would whip pretty violently until the ball valve on that line was closed shutting off air flow.
On a paving breaker they use a cable device called a Whip check to capture the line just for that purpose.
Same fitting we have on the tow behind 180cfm compressor that runs jackhammers all day. Good stuff
I'd really like to see you test HF and other 1" air wrenches. It would be fun to see what they can do on a 150psi 80 gallon air compressor fed by a full size half inch line with half inch couplings. That's affordable. The hose and fittings are available at HF. 175 psi 80 gallon air compressors aren't that expensive or rare in farm shops.
Can’t wait to see all the large air tools you guys can test now.
We use that 1 inch IR at the shop. But with 150 psi. It'll take it all day for years. Awesome gun
You just continue to step it up -- thank YOU!
My shop has both IR air impact wrenches, the 285B and 2850MAX. The 285B feels like it hits harder because it is able to remove truck lugs where the MAX sometimes struggles.
What kind of trucks? Is 600-700ft/lbs not enough for most rigs? I’ve never worked on them, but ASSumed the torque ratings wouldn’t be over 3-500lbs?
@@fZionists78 Some of the disconnect with viewers and the super high numbers we show come from torque specs. Torque specs are to install something, which is why they give you that spec, to use a torque wrench. Most techs aren't NEEDING the impact to install, it's to remove it once mother nature has had its way with the bolt or nut. If you need a 600 ft-lbs mid torque to tackle most lug nuts that will roll in on passenger vehicles, and those are maybe 100 ft-lb spec. imagine what you need on something with a 500 ft-lb spec to remove 100% of the time.
@fZionists78 we work on freightliner, navistar, kenworths and other types of semi trucks and box trucks and different types of cargo trailers. Some people don't like to torque stuff down and just full send the impacts, on top of mother nature setting in, some lugs need a torch in order to be removed
really excited for that 1" XGT, should be here soon. But you will need to get some 5 and 8ah packs ;)
Can't wait to see the tests of harbor freight 1" impacts
And then the hot rodding! More flow, More beans!
As a note on the air, the cost of supplying the air and compressing the air are two distinct costs. Many independent operations are 1-2 users sporadically which does not require alot of compressor volume if you can store the air.
In an extreme sense a continuous run 120v high quality compressor can fill a very large tank if given enough time.
The trick is safely storing that air as new large rated air tanks [no compressor] are quite spendy too. Getting this cost down is easier than compressor cost if you are creative.
And finally 1" regulators with 3/4" pipe is a minimum for even higher torque 3/4" impact guns. Dixon makes a 3/4" body quick connect; DF series.
Glad to see my irl experience is matched by the numbers on screen. I much prefer the ir 285b over the Milwaukee even in the feild with a smaller service truck compressor.
"Nut busting" had a good laugh 😂
You guys really know how to make me feel totally inadequate about my little compressor! LoL. Hope you have a good weekend
my service truck much like many others uses a vmac for is air and i wonder what kind of numbers it would produce vs the electric 1 inch guns i just have a jet 1inch that I'm not overly fond of it was just what was available when i needed one (seems the company moto is "don't worry about it till its a problem") ironically but not surprisingly causes more problems then it avoids.
If you ever want more air just add a second compressor anywhere in your system that seems wise. You can also use a mobile diesel or gas powered compressor on a trailer feeding a Chicago fitting connected to your system then just rent one for reviews or score one to have handy depending on what you do for fun.
Those who blast can never have too much air and a convenient way to add more is add more compressors. Those who care can stagger pressure switch settings to favor one compressor and of course you can run as few or many as you want. I prefer used industrial three phase industrial compressors then instead of running three phase (expensive and often billed at commercial rates, and expensive to run to most shops in the US) then run them off a rotary phase converter (used are fairly easy to find but there are plenty of kits where you supply the motor) which then allows you to use all sorts of industrial equipment including transformer style welders most people pass by because they don't understand the rather simple systems.
For example my current system is easy to copy and because most of it's on steel dollies if you rent or want easy shop reconfig is VERY easy to move.I tack weld compressor/motor decks or horizontal tank feet to my self made simple rectangular bases which use round shank scaffolding casters. I don't plumb my shops with pipe or tubing. I use red air hose (3/4" bore) and Chicago couplings for the main supply hoses between my two compressors and large industrial receiver tank (home gamers rarely think to grab those). The receiver tank is vertical and outside my shop. I raised it by welding a lifting eye to the plug on top. When you run two or more motors from a rotary phase converter each makes the next motor easier to start by joining the fun. I strongly suggest reading the Practical Machinist forum on the subject.
Chicago fittings like others permit easy addition of taps by cutting hose then installing Chicago couplings on the severed ends. Then I add a simple tee pipe fitting to bridge the gap and have a (valved) Chicago outlet. You can and I do keep adapters with standard air chuck sizes so I can run smaller "whips" where appropriate. Big air for MUCH improved abrasive blasting capability is glorious and the above method permits a smaller electrical feed than required to start individual large electric motors. If your location has multiple electrical feeds adding compressors is even easier. I should have done this thirty years ago. I can rearrange my shop for very low effort (I'm elderly and thoroughly damaged) and move equipment for cleanup. Even my lathe and mill are mobile but I don't leave the running gear bolted on.
We have the 285B and 2850max in our shop at work.
This new one with higher specs don't hit as hard, it struggles more to break loose rusted lug nuts.
It does seem to be faster spinning and lighter however.
We have one of those Milwaukee 1 inch cordless impacts at work. It's a beast but I expected more out of it. That air powerd IR is an absolute beast.
The expenses on this video just show how impressive cordless tech is nowadays, especially seeing how much backlash they got back in the 2000s for not being comparable to corded.
Sorry for asking this when so much money was burned on this video, but is there any info about the Makita 1" Impact? It showed up in a vietnamese channel and was expecting so see it in this comparison.
For big busy shops that’s the way to go. And one battery for the road but most mobile already have a compressor maybe not enough to run full beans.
I have a 1 inch IR, it's a little older but it's solid. Usually I just use slug wrenches but when I wanna use it I do.
I own a 2850 and I love it ! You do need a good air compressor that can keep up with the demand of air !
Those Chicago safety pins save lives. I saw someone get clobbered in the face because there was no safety pin and the fitting wasn't seated correctly.That's a lot of force from a trailer compressor
Even if you don't have the actual pin use anything. Even tie wire is at least something
A lot of those air tools are underairpowered. One nice trick that is done for frozen and rusted bolts is to let full pressure of 120 to 150 pounds for that extra UMPTH to get the bolt loose. For truck drivers or other trucks with air brakes, one can add a air tap for air tools. I have done that on my truck and letting the air pump up to full 130 psi really make that air tool sounds like to about to explode. LOL
Fascinating to the the hammers in slow mo. Great reviews. .👍
Always a good watch. I still use air tools along side cordless, and have a 1 inch hydraulic line ,of about 12 yards specifically for high CFM tooling, and have the inch air guns gear fitted with HGV Air Brake C Couplings. Seem to work well. Keep up the great work. Regards k
That’s a sweet new compressor you got! Tons of air delivered so quietly. Not that I’m jealous at all or anything 😒
That compressor and plumbing is totally bananas. 👍
Didn’t understand 80% of the tech talk but I’m here.. dope content
That Dewalt though. The engineers must be from Texas 15:19
Loved to see the Milwaukee with the new 12 forge
The ad brake right after the tool starts is diabolical
I'v been waiting for this!!!
Wow! That IR is a monster. Really nice set-up you have for air! I am rolling my 20 year old 30gal Craftsman outside to rot now😂
There's an option outside diesel to maintain load. You can mechanically bank compressors. It sounds like TTC already has a large second piston unit. On smaller systems, you can bank two compressors with buffer tanks and check valves leading into one regulator. It's inefficient as you need to fully power two compressors but they will totally synchronize if you duplicate the setup to the primary regulator. I do a buffer tank then drier regulator with oiler to keep these valves from failing. On larger systems, you can use a primer tank to keep the valve from restricting air flow by ensuring it's fully opened. This is just awkward because it's hard to find less restricted fittings. It's doable but helps to have a mill and lathe. It requires caution when the compressors are not of identical power. The assembly must fail shut so that the smaller compressor only contributes during pressure drops where any over the rated pressure those check valves close.
Hell yes! Please do the Snap On MG1250!
As cool as the air set up is, I am very impressed with the Battery IR!
Awesome video!
You should test out the Aircat 1993-VXL would love to see how it stacks up to these bad boys 👍
For those on a budget, buffer tanks near the work space can help cheat some air demand issues remember when you double your diameter, you quadruple your flow.
Hi there, new subscriber. Just wondering if you can test more of the Onevan impact wrenches. They are quite impressive for the money.
Thank you for doing this! I messaged you a few years ago and nobody had done this! Would love to see the IR3940 and IR3955 5,000ftlbs
Is time to start doing test with all 3/4 air impact wrenches, you have to do all the test with the aircat vibrotherm impact wrenches the 3/4" and 1" people will amaze of those impacts
I own the ir air gun and the Milwaukee. The air gun absolutely hits harder but never use it over the Milwaukee. I’ve had a few luck nuts it had to hammer on for a bit but better then running the compressor. Most service truck compressors you need to let it build back up 1/2 through tightening them back up
Granted I don't use tool this big, I am a mechanic and love your videos
Would love to see you test an El-Max nutrunner :)
Now with the air upgrade it would be cool to see how different size air lines/fittings and CFM does on a basic 1/2 drive impact.