@@mikeyplayzwrld "Clear Russian Bias" and yet, the missiles do as they did in real life. I'm not even a Russian main, but holy shit you freeaboo's think your gear should be the best, in reality, it's not.
Since there is so many brainlets in the comments I feel like this needs clarification: These missiles are VERY early. No where near done. I will dirrect you to Jaeks channel where he does an excellent indepth dive on all the ARH missiles using the new tacview. Theyre very clesrly no where near complete. Right now the AMRAAM is the most consistent at range and the MICA has the most pull followed by the R-77. Derby lofts the hardest.
None of them are finished. Plus the first R-77 and Aim-120A actually have a similar effective range, with the amraam retaining it’s energy much better against maneuvering targets.
After testing them: These missiles are mid. They are nothing new. R-Darter is probably the best. They are still easy to dodge when flying deck. You get a warning of launches. Alongside people taking their stat card as is, without understanding how these missiles actually work at all.
Or it will end up like the last 50 cases of russian bias and end up being overhyped. Or overfeared I suppose? The t90m was give the russians a 80% winrate, the su27 is the best jet in the game, the mig29 are gonna dominate, the 23m series is gonna decimate everything, the t80bvm is gonna crush everything. The r73 is the most op missile of all time. The all aspect r60 is overtuned. Etc etc. All of that turned out to be bullshit in the end. Except the 27er missile, 23mld and the stupid autoloading premium ifv. I aint gonna defend that. The mld is no longer a problem but that er missile is dumb, especially given the better radar of the newer jets
The r77A had more max range than the aim120A. Depending of the conditions the aim120A has more range and depending on others the R77 will have it. The R77 has a more powerful burn (mach 5 max speed) making it a good missile at high altitudes and speed. The problem with the r77 is transonic speeds making it lose a lot of speed. That's the reason why if you launch a r77 at Mach or over the r77 won't have much problems but if you launch it at subsonic ones it enters transonic it will lose speed. To sum up. Depending on the parameters the r77 will have more range or the aim120. The aim120 is much more consistent than the r77 Also take into account that the Russians used the r27er + r77 combo till the 2010 because the 27er had more range than the aim120c5 that was the missile in service at the time
@@silos4783 I dont particularly wanna pity russia too much as it is the Americans that are suffering the most but come on. Russia has the second lowest winrate with like 40 something % and then there is sweden and germany almost reaching for 80%
@@House_of_Schmidt I feel like people dont see the bigger picture in reducing the amount of players xD. All the CAS Aircraft that are already suffering would be even more useless... All Fighters like the Mig21 would turn to free kills... and it would also be almost impossiable to get an Aircraft out of being Stock... Reducing the player number ist the best way to turn air RB into the next Call of Duty lol
@NokischimiVT yeah but Gaijin has already said that they are going to split the BR's between ground and air so the CAS aircraft should be effective in their new BR still. Most of these CAS aircraft get their air to air armament pretty early on in the modification tree so their air to air capability stock vs spaded isn't all that different. We had 12 v 12 just one year ago and 16 vs 16 didnt improve CAS grinding for me personally and ive ground out a couple of the aweful tornados, f105, a7e, etc. CAS grinding isn't great but it really shouldnt be in Air RB. Air RB should be predominantly for air so if we're just designing the mode for the lowest common denominator, why not make it 24 vs 24. 16 vs 16 at top tier doesnt work, especially not with the current map design. Props and early jets may be a bit different. Its not as bad there.
@NokischimiVT Almost like CAS aircraft aren't designed to be fighters; instead, they're supposed to hit ground targets, and only carry AAM's for "self defense", to deter fighters from intercepting it, or to try to scare the fighter away. They shouldn't be competitive in air to air combat, that isn't their job; they instead are to hit ground targets. Did you ever try to play an 8.7 or 9.0 fighter right after the a10 released? Or right after the su25? People played them like fighters, because they had all aspect missiles, and could launch them on targets without flares, it was a nightmare trying to fly anything without flares, and still is. CAS planes being strong in a2a completely overwhelm everything else, and make the game a nightmare to play, they shouldn't be fighters, or even be able to try to easily; it makes everything else almost unusable.
The amraams somehow have 40g pull, even though the 120A variant was around 28-30g. The mica-em is going to be the best missile hands down no doubt about it, and if any of them pull even close to that one, it’s bullshit. The mica-em has thrust vectoring and is quite a bit more afvanced than the first amraam and the r77
I feel like theyre going to have to increase the max br again because of these missiles. Sure we have them already in game in the form of the AIM54s but comparatively the AIM54s are horrible vs any of these. Another thing im hoping will get added with these is vehicles like the SLAMRAAM.
It has more delta-V from its booster. But once both missiles boosters are spent, you’ll find the R-77 bleeding significantly more speed than the Amraam. And that’s honestly what to be expected
@@christopherchartier3017 yeh I’m not exactly looking too much into the stats of the testing missile they seem severely over or under exaggerated in certain areas
I see a lot of people saying op Ruske r77 is too strong aim120 is trash and what not I look at every fox3 missile and the op one is Mica em not only it have busted turning performers {50g} but also it can thrust vector so if it turns this good it must be slow righ ? NO the Mica em not only is the best turning missile but the best close range missile 5km to 15km the Mica will stomp every missile even the might 27er the reason why is that because the Mica has a 21000kn booster for 3 seconds and 4 second sustainer putting 11000kn. For 112kg missile engine to burn for this long and this much power is insane to me so yeah I'm done yapping
I'm honestly not sure how I feel about these as an Arcade player mostly. On the one hand - despite all the Maverick wannabe's, it's actually rare to see Aim-54's used in Arcade in my experience, or their just so ineffective I don't think their used, it's mostly AIM-9's and Sparrows (and whatever the Russian bias equivalents are I haven't really used that line). On the other hand, I already know that the damn spawn campers, especially one particular group of them, are like with those missiles and if the BVR's are any good, how much more of an issue those skill-less clowns will be likely sitting now off to the side from the spawn to just snipe with them before you can get close enough to force a dogfight they'll lose. Already irritating enough at times with the 9M's and equivalents designed to ignore CM and whatever BS it is these people are using that their planes deploy flares the instant a missile comes off the rails at them, I don't know what setting or whatever it is for the F-4, 5E and other planes but I sure as hell want to learn it unless it's some cheat.
idk why everyone's so excited for this, all i see is an even more incomprehensible mess than the game already is. the current missile spam is bad enough as it is with fox 2's
BVR also need skills ... need to know your elevation you missile MAR "minimum abort range" how to help you missile to guid it before ot goes pitbull on the bandit aircraft ... alot of information need to be taken so it's another type of skills I'm happy now for it
Then use that... The "need a tier 6 aircraft" doesn't work I was able to test every aircraft in the event even though in 2 of the nations I only have tier 2.
"DCS lingo" you mean fucking "military aviation lingo". im sorry you dont want to understand how aircraft, radar and missiles work and their correct terminology. but im happy you found a channel that makes it as simple for a baby to understand
Whene those missiles are implemented top tier is going to become a nightmare to play, at this point gaijin has to consider taking the enlisted aproach and implement mixed teams of ai planes and players. At least some ai jets are going to catch missiles and players will be able to have more bearable dogfights.
the r77 only had what? 1 upgrade. as with the aim120A is had 7 major upgrades after the AIM-120A: (B, C, C4, C5, C6, C7 & D). everyone was better and better with range, ECCMs, maneuverability. also. the aim120 can go Pitbull at 20km in game. while rest as far as what i remember only have 16 Pitbull range. so fire and forget at further ranges then r77 turning cold and boom.. splash 1
I had a lot of fun with those in dev server, a match with f-16 i got 6 kills and didn't die, they are pretty much evadable if you know how to deal with them or even played DCS, in fact every 10 games i can say that i died for Fox 3, 2 games and was becaus i wasn't paying atention, dided more for 9Ms, R-73s and cannons than those, i also noticed that chaffs are very useful against those missiles might be because they are work in progress but works great if you pop em in right situation
it's fucking wild how the R-77 is a more capable missile than both the AIM-120 and the MICA EM, A THRUST VECTORING MISSILE! they did an over the shoulder launch with the MICA to see if it could hit a target behind the aircraft that fired it. the missile did a fucking U-turn mid air, and hit the target.
The modernizations like the MiG 23-98 did however not anyone that is ingame right now. The most advanced would be the MLD which could carry at most 2x R-73s.
basic fiziks bro, get high n fast shoot, gimbo limit dive or go cold (energy fight) if threatened, quick bvr lesson (watch sum growling sidewinder lol)
With the way the game is currently these missiles dont work in warthunder, none of these games will have anything to do skill or last longer than 5 minutes. Giving every Plane 6 of these missiles will be very bad, they dont seem to want the raise the Br and these missiles dont work like they should. Gaijin is very strange with historical accuracy, Air is nothing like reality, and they seem not to do alot to get there, while in Ground "accuracy" is important, see Drones. This doesnt make sense to me.
Ironically that's literally exactly how shit plays out irl... not everything is 1 or 2 planes priority focusing 1 to 4 planes and winning every time! 😂 its waves of overpower clashing and headbutting eachother TO DEATH with the ability to do that long range aim54 style sniping 😂 gosh! People really need to get a grip on reality, lol.
@LordGangrel Finally, some realism! XD Irl throughout the Cold War, and afterward even, bases were sometimes even closer across the borders than some mid tier air maps! 🤣 The entire plan throughout the cold war and even now is literally to just throw up planes to blunt eachothers blunting attacks and see who wins! And when not doing that specifically, you are literally trying to do first strikes where you literally just dogpile airbases all at once (which is not how wt works atm, maybe when the f4c was added but yeah)
This is the video tankenstein finally understood reality in saying “it’s going to come down to who has the better technology.” And that’s all this game should’ve been and will eventually become. Can’t have bias when you claim “realism”
theyre not the nato standard, france uses mica and meteor, the UK uses Asraam and meteor, sweden uses IRIS-T and meteor, germany also uses IRIS-T and metor
@patrioticpanda7618 you may be a bit slow! And that's okay! 😁 but the Aim120 is meant for nato! All of these other nations currently choose to prioritize their own fox3 development to boost their personal arms manufacturing bases! Ironically the Fox3, Aim120 (Advanced-Medium-Range-Air-to-Air-Missile) was designed as a nato standard weapon to replace janky ass shit like Sparrows and European equivalents for the 1980s until delayed until the early 90s! :) Cope
"It's just going to be about who has the better missiles" Yeah... Kinda like real life right now.... Why is that a problem? Play lower Tiers if you want dogfights.
Although im concerned about amraams being left in the dust, MICAs, Derbys, and PL-12s are gonna need to be nerfed to not blow even the likely to be overperforming R-77 and the 120 out of the water. Those are way more modern than the 120A or R-77
![F-15C + AIM-120 AMRAAM Fox 3 Dev Server Gameplay/Overview [War Thunder]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1U2vDUzsXtY/mqdefault.jpg)
![F-15C + AIM-120 AMRAAM Fox 3 Dev Server Gameplay/Overview [War Thunder]](/img/tr.png)
"So far AMRAAMS been the worst"
"R77's has been great"
I'm starting see a pattern here...
No bias here at all...
shocker
Googles "warthunder best radar missile"
Result: Ruski 27
Hmmmm.....
Googles again "warthunder best IR missile"
Result: Ruski 73
HMMMMMMMM.........
You havent seen nothing,the MICA is truly scary
amraams are insanely good, better than r77
16v16 gonna be even more hilarious with these missiles. It's not even Call of Duty anymore lmao
Its gonna be ace combat, click and forget
they have said theyre chaging air RB to lower player numbers, every dev server game ive played has been 5v5 up to 10v10 at most
@@stefanstoia1975 I'v played 40+ Air RB and non of this was less than 12 players
@@matix7638 im in an 8v8 match as we speak, make sure youre on the ARH testing event
1:12 10 seconds TNT equivalent 😂
Anything but metric lmaoo
it honestly isnt even that bad, its just an ER equivalent for everyone, which is kinda nice, the ARH is just an extra benefit
The ER is still faster than these😂 Clear Russian Bias at play
@@mikeyplayzwrld "russian bias" lol, i almost never see them win at top tier air rb
@@av812bb you may need to visit an eye doctor for your chronic blindness 😘
I thought Americans were just better at everything,jew@@mikeyplayzwrld
@@mikeyplayzwrld "Clear Russian Bias" and yet, the missiles do as they did in real life. I'm not even a Russian main, but holy shit you freeaboo's think your gear should be the best, in reality, it's not.
Since there is so many brainlets in the comments I feel like this needs clarification: These missiles are VERY early. No where near done. I will dirrect you to Jaeks channel where he does an excellent indepth dive on all the ARH missiles using the new tacview. Theyre very clesrly no where near complete. Right now the AMRAAM is the most consistent at range and the MICA has the most pull followed by the R-77. Derby lofts the hardest.
The derby lofting looks so funny too. Like holy shit it leaves the atmosphere lol
Thanks for being sane, I swear to god I hate US mains
Me staring at an incoming BVR missile knowing full well that my F-4C cant do shit
"There is nothing that we can do..."
The only thing im looking forward too is people crying in game chat when their fox 3 goes pitbull on their team lol
Oh fuckin hell yes. The pull towards a plane with higher feedback is nuts.
French player : WHY THE MICA ONLY HAVE 50KM OF RANGE ?!
*time to leak some classified documents*
MICA crushing AIM 120 is all right, now the R77 being equal to AIM is a crime hahah
None of them are finished. Plus the first R-77 and Aim-120A actually have a similar effective range, with the amraam retaining it’s energy much better against maneuvering targets.
@@christopherchartier3017 the r77 only had what one upgrade? Lol the aim 120 is superior to the r77. Ask anyone who flys dcs.
@@WarDaddyUSA It had one mass produced upgrade and they’re working on the 77M
@@christopherchartier3017 okay so only one upgrade has been done? and its currently undergoing a modernization?
@@WarDaddyUSA Yeah, pretty much
Welcome to modern jet tactics. Dont need dogfighting jets, need the best radar and missiles
Which will almost certainly be russia because its gaijin
@@owainevans89Russian jets in war thunder are infamous for having shitty radar
After testing them: These missiles are mid. They are nothing new. R-Darter is probably the best. They are still easy to dodge when flying deck. You get a warning of launches. Alongside people taking their stat card as is, without understanding how these missiles actually work at all.
R-Darter is not the best the mica takes the cake there but its screwed atm due to thrust vectoring but gaijin doesnt know how to make those work.
If R-77s out perform the AIM-120s it will be the largest, most blatant example of russian bias in the entire game
Or it will end up like the last 50 cases of russian bias and end up being overhyped. Or overfeared I suppose? The t90m was give the russians a 80% winrate, the su27 is the best jet in the game, the mig29 are gonna dominate, the 23m series is gonna decimate everything, the t80bvm is gonna crush everything. The r73 is the most op missile of all time. The all aspect r60 is overtuned. Etc etc. All of that turned out to be bullshit in the end.
Except the 27er missile, 23mld and the stupid autoloading premium ifv. I aint gonna defend that. The mld is no longer a problem but that er missile is dumb, especially given the better radar of the newer jets
The r77A had more max range than the aim120A.
Depending of the conditions the aim120A has more range and depending on others the R77 will have it.
The R77 has a more powerful burn (mach 5 max speed) making it a good missile at high altitudes and speed. The problem with the r77 is transonic speeds making it lose a lot of speed. That's the reason why if you launch a r77 at Mach or over the r77 won't have much problems but if you launch it at subsonic ones it enters transonic it will lose speed.
To sum up. Depending on the parameters the r77 will have more range or the aim120. The aim120 is much more consistent than the r77
Also take into account that the Russians used the r27er + r77 combo till the 2010 because the 27er had more range than the aim120c5 that was the missile in service at the time
@Brother_Rony exactly lol, and if anything we have german bias at top tier the leopards are really good
@@silos4783 I dont particularly wanna pity russia too much as it is the Americans that are suffering the most but come on. Russia has the second lowest winrate with like 40 something % and then there is sweden and germany almost reaching for 80%
I mean the r77 should be better in close ranges but the amraam should be better in bvr and overall
We desperately need a team size reduction or Air RB EC.
team size reduction will never come it would ruin way to many aircraft
@@NokischimiVT it would raise the skill curve but no more than it is in GRB. Reducing to 10 v 10 would be fine.
@@House_of_Schmidt I feel like people dont see the bigger picture in reducing the amount of players xD. All the CAS Aircraft that are already suffering would be even more useless... All Fighters like the Mig21 would turn to free kills... and it would also be almost impossiable to get an Aircraft out of being Stock... Reducing the player number ist the best way to turn air RB into the next Call of Duty lol
@NokischimiVT yeah but Gaijin has already said that they are going to split the BR's between ground and air so the CAS aircraft should be effective in their new BR still. Most of these CAS aircraft get their air to air armament pretty early on in the modification tree so their air to air capability stock vs spaded isn't all that different. We had 12 v 12 just one year ago and 16 vs 16 didnt improve CAS grinding for me personally and ive ground out a couple of the aweful tornados, f105, a7e, etc. CAS grinding isn't great but it really shouldnt be in Air RB. Air RB should be predominantly for air so if we're just designing the mode for the lowest common denominator, why not make it 24 vs 24. 16 vs 16 at top tier doesnt work, especially not with the current map design. Props and early jets may be a bit different. Its not as bad there.
@NokischimiVT Almost like CAS aircraft aren't designed to be fighters; instead, they're supposed to hit ground targets, and only carry AAM's for "self defense", to deter fighters from intercepting it, or to try to scare the fighter away.
They shouldn't be competitive in air to air combat, that isn't their job; they instead are to hit ground targets.
Did you ever try to play an 8.7 or 9.0 fighter right after the a10 released? Or right after the su25? People played them like fighters, because they had all aspect missiles, and could launch them on targets without flares, it was a nightmare trying to fly anything without flares, and still is.
CAS planes being strong in a2a completely overwhelm everything else, and make the game a nightmare to play, they shouldn't be fighters, or even be able to try to easily; it makes everything else almost unusable.
The amraams somehow have 40g pull, even though the 120A variant was around 28-30g. The mica-em is going to be the best missile hands down no doubt about it, and if any of them pull even close to that one, it’s bullshit. The mica-em has thrust vectoring and is quite a bit more afvanced than the first amraam and the r77
Derby is based off the python-4 which can pull 50Gs atleast
@@omnipotank its the python 3 actually. it has the booster of the python 4. but its entire frame is the python 3
I feel like theyre going to have to increase the max br again because of these missiles. Sure we have them already in game in the form of the AIM54s but comparatively the AIM54s are horrible vs any of these. Another thing im hoping will get added with these is vehicles like the SLAMRAAM.
Far as I know the r-77 has a bit more speed than the aim-120 but less range since it has a stronger booster but way worse aerodynamics
It has more delta-V from its booster. But once both missiles boosters are spent, you’ll find the R-77 bleeding significantly more speed than the Amraam. And that’s honestly what to be expected
@@christopherchartier3017 yeh I’m not exactly looking too much into the stats of the testing missile they seem severely over or under exaggerated in certain areas
I see a lot of people saying op Ruske r77 is too strong aim120 is trash and what not
I look at every fox3 missile and the op one is Mica em not only it have busted turning performers {50g} but also it can thrust vector so if it turns this good it must be slow righ ? NO the Mica em not only is the best turning missile but the best close range missile 5km to 15km the Mica will stomp every missile even the might 27er the reason why is that because the Mica has a 21000kn booster for 3 seconds and 4 second sustainer putting 11000kn. For 112kg missile engine to burn for this long and this much power is insane to me so yeah I'm done yapping
None of them are finished. Btw the Phoenix got buffed on the dev server. Might wanna check that on Mat’s channel. It turns much better now
So the JAS39C will now have long range capabilities????
I mean it always had SARH missiles, it's just that people realize that boom and zooming with Aim-9ms is way more effective
@@cabbageashthe1st594Only the crappy DF variants tho
@@cabbageashthe1st594 they the short range ones tho, im meaning like will the gripen now have the ability to engage BVR and hit like +30km shots
I'm honestly not sure how I feel about these as an Arcade player mostly. On the one hand - despite all the Maverick wannabe's, it's actually rare to see Aim-54's used in Arcade in my experience, or their just so ineffective I don't think their used, it's mostly AIM-9's and Sparrows (and whatever the Russian bias equivalents are I haven't really used that line). On the other hand, I already know that the damn spawn campers, especially one particular group of them, are like with those missiles and if the BVR's are any good, how much more of an issue those skill-less clowns will be likely sitting now off to the side from the spawn to just snipe with them before you can get close enough to force a dogfight they'll lose. Already irritating enough at times with the 9M's and equivalents designed to ignore CM and whatever BS it is these people are using that their planes deploy flares the instant a missile comes off the rails at them, I don't know what setting or whatever it is for the F-4, 5E and other planes but I sure as hell want to learn it unless it's some cheat.
idk why everyone's so excited for this, all i see is an even more incomprehensible mess than the game already is. the current missile spam is bad enough as it is with fox 2's
real
I think it's mostly from US main freeaboos who got excited that they'll gonna dominate air rb with the new aim 120s
@@nacl2246 idk why they think that when they know about the Abram's in-game performance compared to irl :P
@@CrispyMuffin2 Least retarded us main:
the mess is a result of too large teams. and the fact multipathing allows you to get so fucking close to each other
“Kinda like this” tank just casually comes out unscaved😂😂
BVR also need skills ... need to know your elevation you missile MAR "minimum abort range" how to help you missile to guid it before ot goes pitbull on the bandit aircraft ... alot of information need to be taken so it's another type of skills I'm happy now for it
Sadly Sweden can’t test them :c only jas39C gets the missiles
Then use that... The "need a tier 6 aircraft" doesn't work I was able to test every aircraft in the event even though in 2 of the nations I only have tier 2.
Because swedish Gripen uses Amraam, and the south african one uses their own missile
It’s pointless if it uses the ammram no need to test the same missiles on different aircraft
To make the game more realistic they should have all missiles have their irl fail rate, russian bias fixed
we wouldnt have any more amercia jets though because boeing made them all :(
Now that ARHMs are in game, is there any reason to use SARHMs like the sparrow?
Welcome to fox 3's. Better start watching thos dcs crank and defend videos 🤣
how do i go into the test server
i love this channel because i get allergic reactions to other channels nerd DCS lingo shit
Same for me
"DCS lingo" you mean fucking "military aviation lingo". im sorry you dont want to understand how aircraft, radar and missiles work and their correct terminology. but im happy you found a channel that makes it as simple for a baby to understand
Just noticed the f16D, havent watched the livestream but is it a new varient
no it's not. It is in the game for several months.
Sadly the Derby missiles dont have their maneuverability
they do what are you on?
Whene those missiles are implemented top tier is going to become a nightmare to play, at this point gaijin has to consider taking the enlisted aproach and implement mixed teams of ai planes and players. At least some ai jets are going to catch missiles and players will be able to have more bearable dogfights.
that would be an uttter shit fest idea. no its simple make it 6v6 only. less missiles or targets in the air to worry about
hopefully maps are changed for top tier
Only for PC to test them you forgot to say that
the r77 only had what? 1 upgrade. as with the aim120A is had 7 major upgrades after the AIM-120A: (B, C, C4, C5, C6, C7 & D). everyone was better and better with range, ECCMs, maneuverability. also. the aim120 can go Pitbull at 20km in game. while rest as far as what i remember only have 16 Pitbull range. so fire and forget at further ranges then r77 turning cold and boom.. splash 1
Yea thanks Biden lover for the info
@@elkrumb9159 you’re welcome little fem boy
@@elkrumb9159you are most welcome fem boy
Straight up lies. The r77 had multiple upgrades (r-77-1, r77m, etc) and the pit Bull ranges are 16 for the r77
@@kyoMcMushy you’re so dumb
F15j should get it too
Looking forward to Hungary lol Gaijin just copy paste into our tech tree
RB looks so wobbly and wrong.^^
I had a lot of fun with those in dev server, a match with f-16 i got 6 kills and didn't die, they are pretty much evadable if you know how to deal with them or even played DCS, in fact every 10 games i can say that i died for Fox 3, 2 games and was becaus i wasn't paying atention, dided more for 9Ms, R-73s and cannons than those, i also noticed that chaffs are very useful against those missiles might be because they are work in progress but works great if you pop em in right situation
Fox 3 are here and people are still hugging the deck. Fail!
not really the past 10 games i played most actually went high
it's fucking wild how the R-77 is a more capable missile than both the AIM-120 and the MICA EM, A THRUST VECTORING MISSILE! they did an over the shoulder launch with the MICA to see if it could hit a target behind the aircraft that fired it. the missile did a fucking U-turn mid air, and hit the target.
The missiles aren’t even finished…
It isn't...?
Question did the MiG-23 get access to r-77
they didnt
The modernizations like the MiG 23-98 did however not anyone that is ingame right now. The most advanced would be the MLD which could carry at most 2x R-73s.
Will japan get them?
They didn't need it, they are the fox 3
the ammount of conspiracy theorists in this comm section is insane, please stop assuming things WITHOUT PLAYING THEM
basic fiziks bro, get high n fast shoot, gimbo limit dive or go cold (energy fight) if threatened, quick bvr lesson (watch sum growling sidewinder lol)
With the way the game is currently these missiles dont work in warthunder, none of these games will have anything to do skill or last longer than 5 minutes.
Giving every Plane 6 of these missiles will be very bad, they dont seem to want the raise the Br and these missiles dont work like they should.
Gaijin is very strange with historical accuracy, Air is nothing like reality, and they seem not to do alot to get there, while in Ground "accuracy" is important, see Drones.
This doesnt make sense to me.
Ironically that's literally exactly how shit plays out irl... not everything is 1 or 2 planes priority focusing 1 to 4 planes and winning every time! 😂 its waves of overpower clashing and headbutting eachother TO DEATH with the ability to do that long range aim54 style sniping 😂 gosh! People really need to get a grip on reality, lol.
They'll be hilarious in squad battles and GRB, air will finally also get it's own "firing spawn-to-spawn"
@LordGangrel Finally, some realism! XD
Irl throughout the Cold War, and afterward even, bases were sometimes even closer across the borders than some mid tier air maps! 🤣 The entire plan throughout the cold war and even now is literally to just throw up planes to blunt eachothers blunting attacks and see who wins! And when not doing that specifically, you are literally trying to do first strikes where you literally just dogpile airbases all at once (which is not how wt works atm, maybe when the f4c was added but yeah)
Tell me you didn't watch the devstream without telling me you didn't watch the devstream, nor read the devblog.
This is the video tankenstein finally understood reality in saying “it’s going to come down to who has the better technology.” And that’s all this game should’ve been and will eventually become. Can’t have bias when you claim “realism”
Eh
*AMRAAM: THE GREAT EQUALIZER*
All we really need is for everyone to get Aim120s due to them being nato standard..... lmfao
theyre not the nato standard, france uses mica and meteor, the UK uses Asraam and meteor, sweden uses IRIS-T and meteor, germany also uses IRIS-T and metor
@patrioticpanda7618 you may be a bit slow! And that's okay! 😁 but the Aim120 is meant for nato! All of these other nations currently choose to prioritize their own fox3 development to boost their personal arms manufacturing bases! Ironically the Fox3, Aim120 (Advanced-Medium-Range-Air-to-Air-Missile) was designed as a nato standard weapon to replace janky ass shit like Sparrows and European equivalents for the 1980s until delayed until the early 90s! :)
Cope
@@mamarussellthepie3995 cool. but none of the nations mentioned above, ever used the amraam lmao
@@mamarussellthepie3995 so please, in fact, cry about the fact that, no, theyre not nato standard
@@mamarussellthepie3995Bro, france never used aim120 because they developped mica's and meteor with germany so europe can be independent of US tech.
first lol xd i (Like trains)
"It's just going to be about who has the better missiles" Yeah... Kinda like real life right now.... Why is that a problem? Play lower Tiers if you want dogfights.
It's not a problem, but it's going to make a lot of people not want to play top tier.
Why do you sound so agressive jeez calm down
Warthunder ain’t real life. It actually needs something called balance
mister keyboard warrior
Take a breath red.
I can smell you from here each time you comment red
Although im concerned about amraams being left in the dust, MICAs, Derbys, and PL-12s are gonna need to be nerfed to not blow even the likely to be overperforming R-77 and the 120 out of the water. Those are way more modern than the 120A or R-77
Or not added and everyone just gets 120As, Bs, Cs, Cs of other mods, etc until there is an equivalent 😂
Clearly you havent tested the missiles yet because youre talking a lot of BS
The derbys are literally the worst missile out of the bunch. its slower than everything else. the MICA is gonna be the big bad in that patch tho.
@@dannycage8672 uh huh
okay kyle
@@dannycage8672irl those missiles is way better and more modern than the R77 and Aim120A