I totally agree. Andrej Karpathy is the brilliant brain behind this development and he deserves to be be referenced by his full name, especially when this is an article from a reputable news agency.
They are barely a car company. When the actual developers gave their presentation its pretty clear that their boss has been over promising and under-delivering and most of their target dates are years out.
Elon looks so tired. This is exactly what my father looks like from working 20 hours each day, no vacation. Everything is important, but I hope he gets some rest.
This is pretty awesome, if I understood it, Andrej is saying that the car NN is now viewing the world around it the way a human brain does. The other speaker then said they developed the infrastructure to support training this kind of information rich view.
You know this man knows his information and what he is talking about by how fast he is speaking. To me it’s normal speed just because this is how fast I read in my mind. I appreciate it!
love space x. We traveled to Boca Chica to see the starship get built. & we got the S dual motor fsd last Christmas 🎄 😎 still have the cybertruck tri motor or 4 motor fsd on order, i got lots of solar & backup battery system to charge them both. i have tsla too.
As a doctor this invention is extraordinary. To create an eye and a circuit similar to neurons and to make it work like an animal brain is simply extraordinary.
This is one of the few times I haven't seen Elon take the stage and explain everything. It shows that he recognizes when someone is more knowledgeable than him at a given subject.
then you need to research more because he does this always. See the autonomy day and the neuralink presentation where he lets his engineers explain the work.
nah it just shows the topic is over his head. I've seen Elon explain stuff its like an unprepared student giving presentation that they "totally" worked on and not their teammate working on it alone and forcing him to present.
I can't begin to state what this company will mean for humans this decade.. these guys are at the brink of re-creating a completely synthetic human brain.. and I can't wait to see DoJo in action ! Utmost respect .. to the Tesla engineers !
Sounds like a discussion about Emmanuel Kant philosophy of consciousness in “zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance”. Fascinating to see a philosophy from 19th century be recreated in a computer in 21st century that will create a consciousness along same lines as Kant working through a mind in his own mind.
Would be pretty cool if you didnt promise and charge for Full Self driving. I'd be impressed if its achieved by TSLA before 2030. IMO its more likely to be achieved by a company like Comma AI.
@@ilevakam316 How are you convinced Comma AI is going to achieve level 5 autonomy sooner than Tesla? That is just dumb, they just released their new Comma AI product and it's way worse than the autopilot feature of teslas, let alone the full self driving beta.
@@rubex. I said a company like them. Meaning one that is small, nimble, not pot stuck and doesn't have a leader whose border line a con man. Remember the CEO of comma consulted for Tesla and told them they were going on the completely wrong direction. That is when Tesla pivoted to their current framework.
oh wow your CCTV can be hacked by a tesla so smart. The point of CCTV is closed circuit meaning they're not connected to any external network, you know FOR SECURITY.
basically a squirrel that was taught to drive it's whole life, can perceive time faster than humans and has quicker reaction time, not built to do much else.
@@giovannip8600 yes the beta software is out to some, but it's not full self driving yet. That dojo chip set is what they will need to take it to next level.
I always get baffled watching PowerPoint presentations of the most advanced technology ever created and the simple task of pressing the correct button on the PowerPoint pointer is a struggle.
Nope, it is pretty much vice versa: Tesla has a lot of catching up with their buggy Level 2 ADAS to Honda's and Mercedes's Level 3 assistants. Wake me up when Tesla can assume legal responsibility for even the simplest case of driving without constantly starring at the road.
@@cawfeedawg You mean they are not trying to make cars that are going to smack dab you into a topped truck in the middle of a highway? Or in a lane divider? Or an emergency vehicle? Of course they don't!
@@kawo666 Tesla is not developing "full automation". At least they weren't back in 2020. According to the California DOT, a company has to report the amount of miles driven on public roads for any test vehicle with capabilities beyond Level 2. Tesla has reported whopping 12.2 miles in 2020. They are still busy with deadly bugs in their ADAS.
All these systems will work at full potential, and less risk, only when the whole world applies it. All car companies will need to make cars like these in the end, for this to work. All the other cars, bling blings, speeders,etc will need to be removed from regular roads. There needs to exist roads only for specific practical uses, and only specific cars to drive on them. When all these criteria are meet, then these systems will work.
i think if Elon focusing on battery industry is so useful for environment and our future, we need battery that low cost , so powerful, efficient , easy to manufacturing ,can recycling and make no damage to our planet environment.
The thing that urks me is that cars has been developed with such high safety standards regulated by governments, then fsd comes along and basically bypasses the safety net that has been developed. There are so many examples of crashes/near misses etc, why is such a dangerous system being allowed to be used at all? If its to be used then wait till its safe ( I doubt it will ever be completely safe, that is probably not possible). There is the recent example of fsd not recognising a train crossing, there is some fog and the driver really only just saved his own life by taking the wheel......this is not safe at all. Why can an unsafe system be allowed to be used at all? Its bypassing long developed laws designed to keep us safe. Who will take responsibility for the crashes and injuries? Someone has to be responsible, normally the driver is completely responsible, why not tesla be held responsible? The human body has taken millions of years to develop amazing senses, why not use them into the future? Will there be generations of humans who dont even know how to drive a car because they never had to learn? There might be some incapacitated people or older people who this system might help, but the rest of us are just fine, what is the ultimate goal and motivation for this system? It also brings up the issue: how is it that simple evolution developed such complex system as the eye, maybe evolution is not as simple as we currently think or maybe there is some other spiritual explanation?
Waymo is kind of "Been there, done that..." (a few million ACTUAL self-driven miles on busy city streets), but their issue is they have the cars absolutely peppered with active sensors (good, but essentially impractical), so in a way, it's the polar opposite of Tesla, who is trying to get away with only inexpensive passive (visible light) sensors. Tesla's decision to use only passive visible light sensors means that they work well on bright sunny days with no glare, but move outside of that scenario and things can go south very fast (night, heavy rain, fog, dirty sensors, etc.) Elon's stubbornness made him decide that passive sensors were "good enough", but in the long run, a hybrid system of passive and active sensors will be the way forward. Basically, FSD needs to be far BETTER than an average human, not as good as a distracted teenager! ;) The way you get there is by easily leveraging capabilities that humans don't have (like bats!)
If humans can see well enough at night (with headlights) and in rain, then a well trained computer vision network can do the same. Might be more work to make good enough, but will be way less expensive than LIDAR. LIDAR has it's own issues with rain and hail as well.
@@xeno._yt Tip, humans can't see "well enough" in those conditions, that's the problem! Elon's "just good enough" mentality is going to be a huge problem. FSD needs to be about an order of magnitude BETTER than a human driver, not just "good enough", for it to gain acceptance. TBH, stubborn, idiotic refusal to supplement the cars with at least some active sensors is pointless, the incremental cost is meaningless and the gains manifold.
@@awebuser5914 But the problem with humans driving is not due to quality of vision. The quality itself is more than good enough in humans. The problem is that we can only look in one direction at a time, and we have slow decision making/reaction time. FSD solves both once developed.
@@xeno._yt Mass implementation would drive those costs to peanuts; LIDAR and other active sensors are niche products at the moment. Regardless, there is absolutely no logical reason to exclude active sensing; Elon's decision was one of pride, not logic or economics. He wanted to prove it can be done (to some degree) with passive sensing. I have grave doubts that it will ever pass L4 or L5 regulations when tested thoroughly (and that's kind of the point, not the ability to show-off to your friends!).
"Real world" leaders in terms of AI? I don't think so. AI is used everywhere in real products and services that people use routinely, typically without noticing it. We have some companies that sell AI to thousands of other companies who in turn put it into real-life use. We didn't see an explosion in demand for data scientists and machine learning specialists because all of this stuff was "theoretical."
LoL. I suggest you go back to the drawing boards. Humans drive cars and definitely have no clear understanding of vector space of surrounding. So the solution here is much easier than to trying recreating a real picture of all surroundings, that is the reason why it sucks so much. Just think what people do and how they think when driving. They have only 2 eyes(cameras) that are inside the car - sure they can turn their heads and look into the mirrors, but they deal with 2d space...
You have no ability to interpret distances and the 3D-structure of the world from looking at it? Humans have an extreme ability to use our intuition to extract information from a 2D-picture. It makes perfect sense!
@@martinsoderstrom449 LoL. The whole Tesla self driving is laughable. Relying on lanes etc. No, rendering 3d picturre is waist of time. It is enough to recognize 2d picture an what is on ot and react in a fraction of a second. Instead of defining what you should do, you should define waht you shouldn't and then do any best suitable action that does not fall into the shouldn't... They are just over engineering it..
@@SKarea51 Ok Einstein. Also: If it is so simple why is no one able to pull it off right now? And what is the cost of calculating all actions and then start by removing all bad ones? Arent they trying to sort of pick the best action by avoiding bad ones already.
@@martinsoderstrom449 this is not a chess. You are not trying to calculate the best trajectory, you are trying to avoid crashes and obey traffic rules & signs. As said, just try to describe what you do when you drive. You do not see the whole street rendered in 3D. You just make sure you do not hit the car in front of you or cars left and right. For that you need to k ow distance from those sides of a 3d object, you do not need to understand the complete position of the object in space..
I love when Andrej and other people in this field can completely nerd out in a presentation like this.
An engineer??? He is andrej karpathy, “the engineer” you must say…
I agree with you. Andrej Karpathy is a scientist, and he is Director of AI at Tesla.
I totally agree. Andrej Karpathy is the brilliant brain behind this development and he deserves to be be referenced by his full name, especially when this is an article from a reputable news agency.
AI day was so fantastic, TSLA will drop tomorrow.
Yes and surprisingly no
Andrej Karpathy is THE MAN!
Agreed
Basically, Today - TESLA show case that they are more than just a car company
And the stock will plunge due to lack of comprehension.
They are barely a car company. When the actual developers gave their presentation its pretty clear that their boss has been over promising and under-delivering and most of their target dates are years out.
yes they are a great marketing company too, they know exactly what investors like you want to hear.
No. They are just a car company working on fsd. They are not the only one and not even the most advanced.
@@niederrheiner8468 I always wonder where people with your type of brain come from. 🤔
Elon looks so tired. This is exactly what my father looks like from working 20 hours each day, no vacation. Everything is important, but I hope he gets some rest.
He just came back from a short vacation in Italy...
@@SraMYM really or you just joking?!!
Elon is a drug addict not tired by working too hard. Lol
in all fairness. I don't think he's as into the day to day anymore for Tesla.. its pretty much running on its own.. he's more focused on spacex
I plan to start a company and try to work hard like Elon, but that's easier said than done. :/
This is pretty awesome, if I understood it, Andrej is saying that the car NN is now viewing the world around it the way a human brain does. The other speaker then said they developed the infrastructure to support training this kind of information rich view.
Holy cow. This guy speaks in double speed. Dont believe me? Play this at half speed. He sounds completely normal.
0.75x seems like normal.
75% seems normal, 50% seems texan to me :)
I started this at 1.5x like I normally do. Not this guy!
@@pascalroggen8364 maybe I was a Texan in a past life because I understand him much better in half speed🤣🤣🤣
@@MrMarks-zc9fu ROFL!!
You know this man knows his information and what he is talking about by how fast he is speaking. To me it’s normal speed just because this is how fast I read in my mind. I appreciate it!
Makes me appreciate the intelligence of humans more.
Some humans, not all
love space x. We traveled to Boca Chica to see the starship get built. & we got the S dual motor fsd last Christmas 🎄 😎 still have the cybertruck tri motor or 4 motor fsd on order, i got lots of solar & backup battery system to charge them both. i have tsla too.
As a doctor this invention is extraordinary. To create an eye and a circuit similar to neurons and to make it work like an animal brain is simply extraordinary.
That guy who first spoke after Elon sounds like the person who tells you the bad stuff at the end of a television commercial.
This is one of the few times I haven't seen Elon take the stage and explain everything. It shows that he recognizes when someone is more knowledgeable than him at a given subject.
then you need to research more because he does this always. See the autonomy day and the neuralink presentation where he lets his engineers explain the work.
nah it just shows the topic is over his head. I've seen Elon explain stuff its like an unprepared student giving presentation that they "totally" worked on and not their teammate working on it alone and forcing him to present.
I can't begin to state what this company will mean for humans this decade.. these guys are at the brink of re-creating a completely synthetic human brain.. and I can't wait to see DoJo in action ! Utmost respect .. to the Tesla engineers !
Finally somebody truly gets it!
Hard to recreate something that mostly remains a mystery as of today though.
exactly man!!!
@@julienpilla9869 Its less mysterious than a decade ago...but getting even close to it will unlock a whole new world..
Their promises and reality are becoming further disconnected. They are not even close to FSD let alone synthesizing a brain.
Sounds like a discussion about Emmanuel Kant philosophy of consciousness in “zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance”. Fascinating to see a philosophy from 19th century be recreated in a computer in 21st century that will create a consciousness along same lines as Kant working through a mind in his own mind.
Love it.
amazing development over just 3~4 years.... imagine what can be achieve by the end of the decade :O
Would be pretty cool if you didnt promise and charge for Full Self driving. I'd be impressed if its achieved by TSLA before 2030. IMO its more likely to be achieved by a company like Comma AI.
What's gonna be accomplished in the next decade?
Self sentient robots that kills the human race
@@Menaceblue3 highly improbably AGI is way more complicated than the advocates will acknowledge
@@ilevakam316 How are you convinced Comma AI is going to achieve level 5 autonomy sooner than Tesla? That is just dumb, they just released their new Comma AI product and it's way worse than the autopilot feature of teslas, let alone the full self driving beta.
@@rubex. I said a company like them. Meaning one that is small, nimble, not pot stuck and doesn't have a leader whose border line a con man. Remember the CEO of comma consulted for Tesla and told them they were going on the completely wrong direction. That is when Tesla pivoted to their current framework.
Imagine adding some CCTV powered by solar that could communicate/guide nearby Tesla.
I don't think that's necessary though
oh wow your CCTV can be hacked by a tesla so smart. The point of CCTV is closed circuit meaning they're not connected to any external network, you know FOR SECURITY.
Is deep learning involved?
I have no understanding of the details of the AI but this is cool
Masahallah
I understood some of those words 😅
Taking a linear algebra class, and this sounds so sick. The way all the data comes back and helps other cars learn and whatnot.
i had to slow the playback down.. maybe less coffee Andrej ?
andrej karpathy always speaks in 2x.
basically a squirrel that was taught to drive it's whole life, can perceive time faster than humans and has quicker reaction time, not built to do much else.
Thank you!🌟💚🌞👀E❤M👀🌏💚Best engineer on World!
If I buy a Tesla today, will it be software upgradeable to fully autonomous driving?
Hmm I wouldn't bet on it. If you want a Tesla for full autonomy, you should wait for hardware 4. Current gen is hardware 3
@@Raylen_Fa-ield hadn't they already released the fsd beta to today's models?
@@giovannip8600 yes the beta software is out to some, but it's not full self driving yet. That dojo chip set is what they will need to take it to next level.
I am waiting for my new Tesla up grade one early 2020
2022
I always get baffled watching PowerPoint presentations of the most advanced technology ever created and the simple task of pressing the correct button on the PowerPoint pointer is a struggle.
The first guy on stage has almost the same mannerism as Elon
Which language was he speaking in ?
How to get those billions of ground truths? Particularly in the so-called projected vector space?
Gives me renewed appreciation for our 20 watt 3 pound brain
I thought I accidently click on 4x fast forward.....
300!
Yeah that Andrej dude is clearly the brain behind Tesla, Elon just sits there shut his mouth like a good boy.
The guy @2:00 sounds like a robot himself 😳
Engineers from every car company in the world are watching this over and over to learn more...and to catch up. Tesla did it first!
Nope, it is pretty much vice versa: Tesla has a lot of catching up with their buggy Level 2 ADAS to Honda's and Mercedes's Level 3 assistants. Wake me up when Tesla can assume legal responsibility for even the simplest case of driving without constantly starring at the road.
Other car companies aren't really trying to do this.
@@cawfeedawg You mean they are not trying to make cars that are going to smack dab you into a topped truck in the middle of a highway? Or in a lane divider? Or an emergency vehicle? Of course they don't!
@@kawo666 How Level 5 is within reach if Tesla (unlike Honda and Mercedes) can't even offer any Level 3 functionality?
@@kawo666 Tesla is not developing "full automation". At least they weren't back in 2020. According to the California DOT, a company has to report the amount of miles driven on public roads for any test vehicle with capabilities beyond Level 2. Tesla has reported whopping 12.2 miles in 2020. They are still busy with deadly bugs in their ADAS.
excuse me while i mop my brain off the floor.
I didn't know Debet or credit card using this is my fault !! Credit card was hacking !! I want to do work
With Tasla but how ?????
i cant imagine when they integrate everything they have under the roof , the bots fixing starnet satellites in space or setting up bases in mars.
You wouldn't expect many people to watch this coz it's not gossip, it's real AI, tough for an average person to understand 😂😂
❤️❤️❤️ elon😉
time lapses, time elapses Elon
Allah bless you
His voice sounds like autogenerated voiceovers of 2010s
I wish im wrong but why now, a few weeks after chinese show their dogdroid?
Atleast get his background right.. he's not an engineer.. he's a computer scientist/scientist first.. (CS/Physics background)
Software engineer
All these systems will work at full potential, and less risk, only when the whole world applies it. All car companies will need to make cars like these in the end, for this to work. All the other cars, bling blings, speeders,etc will need to be removed from regular roads. There needs to exist roads only for specific practical uses, and only specific cars to drive on them. When all these criteria are meet, then these systems will work.
i think if Elon focusing on battery industry is so useful for environment and our future, we need battery that low cost , so powerful, efficient , easy to manufacturing ,can recycling and make no damage to our planet environment.
The thing that urks me is that cars has been developed with such high safety standards regulated by governments, then fsd comes along and basically bypasses the safety net that has been developed.
There are so many examples of crashes/near misses etc, why is such a dangerous system being allowed to be used at all? If its to be used then wait till its safe ( I doubt it will ever be completely safe, that is probably not possible). There is the recent example of fsd not recognising a train crossing, there is some fog and the driver really only just saved his own life by taking the wheel......this is not safe at all.
Why can an unsafe system be allowed to be used at all? Its bypassing long developed laws designed to keep us safe.
Who will take responsibility for the crashes and injuries? Someone has to be responsible, normally the driver is completely responsible, why not tesla be held responsible? The human body has taken millions of years to develop amazing senses, why not use them into the future? Will there be generations of humans who dont even know how to drive a car because they never had to learn?
There might be some incapacitated people or older people who this system might help, but the rest of us are just fine, what is the ultimate goal and motivation for this system?
It also brings up the issue: how is it that simple evolution developed such complex system as the eye,
maybe evolution is not as simple as we currently think or maybe there is some other spiritual explanation?
This guy talkes Ben Shapiro speed
Waymo is kind of "Been there, done that..." (a few million ACTUAL self-driven miles on busy city streets), but their issue is they have the cars absolutely peppered with active sensors (good, but essentially impractical), so in a way, it's the polar opposite of Tesla, who is trying to get away with only inexpensive passive (visible light) sensors.
Tesla's decision to use only passive visible light sensors means that they work well on bright sunny days with no glare, but move outside of that scenario and things can go south very fast (night, heavy rain, fog, dirty sensors, etc.)
Elon's stubbornness made him decide that passive sensors were "good enough", but in the long run, a hybrid system of passive and active sensors will be the way forward.
Basically, FSD needs to be far BETTER than an average human, not as good as a distracted teenager! ;) The way you get there is by easily leveraging capabilities that humans don't have (like bats!)
If humans can see well enough at night (with headlights) and in rain, then a well trained computer vision network can do the same. Might be more work to make good enough, but will be way less expensive than LIDAR. LIDAR has it's own issues with rain and hail as well.
@@xeno._yt Tip, humans can't see "well enough" in those conditions, that's the problem! Elon's "just good enough" mentality is going to be a huge problem. FSD needs to be about an order of magnitude BETTER than a human driver, not just "good enough", for it to gain acceptance. TBH, stubborn, idiotic refusal to supplement the cars with at least some active sensors is pointless, the incremental cost is meaningless and the gains manifold.
@@awebuser5914 But the problem with humans driving is not due to quality of vision. The quality itself is more than good enough in humans. The problem is that we can only look in one direction at a time, and we have slow decision making/reaction time. FSD solves both once developed.
@@awebuser5914 Also Im just saying but a Waymo car's sensor cost 7500 dollars
@@xeno._yt Mass implementation would drive those costs to peanuts; LIDAR and other active sensors are niche products at the moment. Regardless, there is absolutely no logical reason to exclude active sensing; Elon's decision was one of pride, not logic or economics. He wanted to prove it can be done (to some degree) with passive sensing. I have grave doubts that it will ever pass L4 or L5 regulations when tested thoroughly (and that's kind of the point, not the ability to show-off to your friends!).
日本の異能ベーションの協賛企業になって！！！！！！！
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The people in the room are a sleep
either you continue to believe what musk preaches or you prefer to drive a reliable good car yourself.
The sassy dinner aerobically fire because team wailly walk inside a orange chick. acceptable, cheerful policeman
Set playback speed to 0.75x. Thank me later 😉
All this new tech to make human's lazy
Yeah, honestly. Future's gonna be different, whether it's going to be better, yet to see
"Real world" leaders in terms of AI? I don't think so. AI is used everywhere in real products and services that people use routinely, typically without noticing it. We have some companies that sell AI to thousands of other companies who in turn put it into real-life use. We didn't see an explosion in demand for data scientists and machine learning specialists because all of this stuff was "theoretical."
LoL. I suggest you go back to the drawing boards. Humans drive cars and definitely have no clear understanding of vector space of surrounding. So the solution here is much easier than to trying recreating a real picture of all surroundings, that is the reason why it sucks so much. Just think what people do and how they think when driving. They have only 2 eyes(cameras) that are inside the car - sure they can turn their heads and look into the mirrors, but they deal with 2d space...
You have no ability to interpret distances and the 3D-structure of the world from looking at it?
Humans have an extreme ability to use our intuition to extract information from a 2D-picture.
It makes perfect sense!
@@martinsoderstrom449 LoL. The whole Tesla self driving is laughable. Relying on lanes etc. No, rendering 3d picturre is waist of time. It is enough to recognize 2d picture an what is on ot and react in a fraction of a second. Instead of defining what you should do, you should define waht you shouldn't and then do any best suitable action that does not fall into the shouldn't... They are just over engineering it..
@@SKarea51 Ok Einstein.
Also: If it is so simple why is no one able to pull it off right now?
And what is the cost of calculating all actions and then start by removing all bad ones?
Arent they trying to sort of pick the best action by avoiding bad ones already.
@@SKarea51 Please public a paper on this, I'm interested.
@@martinsoderstrom449 this is not a chess. You are not trying to calculate the best trajectory, you are trying to avoid crashes and obey traffic rules & signs. As said, just try to describe what you do when you drive. You do not see the whole street rendered in 3D. You just make sure you do not hit the car in front of you or cars left and right. For that you need to k ow distance from those sides of a 3d object, you do not need to understand the complete position of the object in space..
Glorified cruise control
I'll start taking Tesla seriously when they make a car that drives well. Until then, not impressed
AI day was so fantastic, TSLA will drop tomorrow.