Sure, but I didn't say it shouldn't have went that way. I'm just saying they released an entire story explaining it. Someone would bitch and moan about the in-film side story explaining how they reorganized, amassed a fleet large enough (and Death Star 3.0) to conquer the galaxy again anyways lol I don't know what you want.
I can't stand this going in circles with the Empire is on top, now the Republic is, no the Empire is again... changing the names doesn't make it less obvious what you're doing
Agreed. The movie sucked. If I have to read a book to understand the sequel to a trilogy I watched 20 years ago, well... fuck the movie makers. It's lazy merchandising. They did everything wrong. Disney is the EA of movies. They cut out pieces of the story and sell it to you as comic books and novels.
Bombs dropping ... in Space. Firing a Laser like a Mortar ... in Space. Leia becoming Space Jesus. Admiral Ackbar being replaced by Admiral Gender Studies. The Asian chick (she was so forgettable I can't even remember her name) "sacrificing" herself to stop Finn from saving the day. Losing all of your fleet and 99% of your command structure and still claiming victory while chastising the only guy that achieved something in the movie for losing a few bombers to destroy a fleetkiller.
Oh my god! Its not like... that happened in the original trilogy or prequel trilogy! Original Trilogy -Star Destroyer FALLING in space onto Super Star Destroyer -Bombs dropping in space onto asteroids -Carbon based life in space (huge living worm that needs oxygen) -Sound and fucking fiery explosions in the vacuum of space Prequels -Ships falling straight down in space (and no they're not in Coruscants atmosphere, they're past the exosphere) -Traveling through a planets core -Explosions of fire and sound in space "Oh nu STer Wurs isnt scientfiacally acurate? Whu?"
Nuke Detonator Thanks for that little strawman at the end there but I'd agree that those things were stupid as well. I'm just saying that The Last Jedi managed to condense all of that into one movie plus more, stretching the bounds of believability. I won't knock anyone who enjoyed the movie in spite of that as I still managed to find it mildly entertaining.
Lol those are literally the same things littered throughout Star Wars. The fact that you find something dumb because it isn't believable in a Star Wars movie makes you sound like an idiot. There are the same amount of dumb unrealistic shit in each Star Wars movie but yea sure its condensed all into this movie(even though you dont give examples except for two, and I can name more than two from the OT). Why even go to a Star Wars movie and then nitpick the science in it when the other previous installments shit all over that? It is not a legitimate criticism and the fact that you're watching a Star Wars movie expecting anything more than that is dumb too.
"This is a balsy move for the star wars franchise" ...by injecting more comedy because it works for Marvel, introducing an "I can change him" love story to draw in more women, and trampling on the legacy of Luke Skywalker.
Indigo is purple going from adventurous young man willing to show mercy to his genocidal father to a man that would kill his nephew for being tempted by the dark side and refusing to leave a planet because you fucked up.... its not a logical change and it's a total regression from his previous story arc
*a man that would kill his nephew for being tempted* Merely _contemplate_ killing his nephew, but... yeah. Unless there was some event in his past we don't see, where he had a similar choice and it ended in disaster, it's a rather weird change from "I can find the good in even the worst of us" to "I can't take any chances!" *refusing to leave a planet because you fucked up* Well, it's more that he's totally lost any faith in his capabilities and, as he says, he wants to end the Jedi for good.
The whole "everybody can be a Jedi" thing is a very literal, post-modern interpretation of the star wars universe. star wars is meant to be mythical, archetypal, like a dream. It's not supposed to be a literal commentary about contemporary social mores. That type of commentary is relevant for about 5 minutes, archetypes are deeply embedded in the human psyche, which is why they still resonate so deeply 2 generations later
Exactly if anyone can have force powers what happened between the end of episode 3-3.5 would the galaxy refill with force users? Especially like Rey who can whip ass without training...I left the theater liking the movie...now thinking and seeing it against I hate is sjw bullshit..
The "They're setting it up" argument is not a good argument. First off, this is the SECOND movie of 3, we should be carrying forward the plot not being put in a stand still, "setting up" more of the same and second, alot was set up in TFA and RJ tried so hard to make sure no one got to have fun guessing what might happen that he threw everything away that was being set up in the prior movie. The only thing this movie did different than other Star Wars movies was not matter to the whole storyline or move it along in anyway other than killing off Luke in a lame ass way. Nothing fucking happens in this movie. They get chased, Luke break dances around Kylo and wipes his shoulder off like a cartoon character then dies, and then they get chased more with some future promise that Star Wars is going the Marvel route with Broom Kid being the first of the new Xmen. This movie is trash and I haven't heard one good argument defending it. Saying it's bold, new, and different isn't an argument. Why is it? How it it? Also, everyone agrees that the kanto bite bullshit is bad, even fans of the movie so how the hell can you argue the movie is anything more than alright if 1/3 of the movie is agreeable trash.
Seemed like you had your own set expectations and that ultimately failed you. SO this did nothing to advance plot? Are you serious? Did you even watch this movie? You're saying nothing happened at all in this movie? So the force wasn't expanded upon in several ways, Lukes arc didnt come to an end (I like how you say it was lame how he died yet he actually died to protect his sister and the Resistance, yet conveniently forget that Yoda died cracking a joke and telling Luke the plot so it could progress), Kylo and Reys arc went nowhere, and the Resistance wasn't reduced to 7 people? Not even in the originals were the good guys so numbered. You haven't heard one good argument defending it? Lmao then you dont read obviously. The Kanto Bite sequence was 7% of the movie quite fucking whining, it wasn't that bad. Also there are fans of the prequels which have longer and cringier scenes in them and yet there are fans of those. Its new in the fact that it takes some cliche star wars plot lines and turns them cleverly on their head while expanding the force in some ballsy ways (some work some dont: Leia space poppies-No Luke Projection-Yes Creating mass through the force-Yes). There are some legitimate problems with this movie, but it is in no way garbage.
I do agree that it's a stupid argument to say it sets things up, but I did like this film. It doesn't focus on setting things up. I don't know where the fuck Scotty got that.
Last Jedi took risks but ultimately fell flat due to poor character decisions, a weak plot, weak side characters, and a gross overuse of unnecessary humor.
My thoughts exactly. Although I feel like they're using that as a means to go back and do a prequel, just like Rogue One, but for the First Order or some shit.
what potential? The guy was in TFA for like 2 minutes. There was literally no character depth to him whatsoever. Instead, we finally have an instance of a dark side guy killing off his mentor to become more powerful, and also an interesting variation on the whole "let's rule the galaxy together" thing.
The problem isn’t building something new it’s shitting on established lore. Set things up for the last movie? Why shouldn’t we expect a high bar? It’s from a trilogy that created the bar. Should we expect nothing short of perfection from a series this well established? Disney wanted to buy the franchise they knew what they were getting into when they rebooted the damn franchise. The low high bar defense doesn’t sit with me because of that
TJ is right. My main problem with the movie is the choices many of the characters made. For instance, the general whosits, she refused to tell anyone about her big plan. Her big plan would have mean the death of all involved but luckily Luke shows up to save the day. She had no way of knowing he would show up. Then gives everybody the "see, I told you so" look. And her being quiet about her "plan" caused a mutiny. etc, etc. I could go on but...
"To make the force more accessible" look guis, I'm now trans-Jedi because everyone can have more access to it now! The force isn't supposed to be some fucking building with a wheelchair ramp for those who can't use it.
Luke being the most well-developed character (minus the part where we miss his motivations for his broken spirit) doesn't say much in a movie where almost no one progresses.
Where do you miss his motivation for the broken spirit? He literally ALMOST KILLED AN INNOCENT CHILD and in the process of doing so, led said child to the dark side, which was the thing he wanted to prevent in doing so to begin with. How does that not fuck even the best of heroes up mentally?
Tacklepig Luke would never have done that though. The guy who believed his father (a complete mass murderer) was still redeemable would not turn on his nephew (the son of his sister and his best friend) because he had a bad dream. It's ridiculously poor writing just to give kylo a redemption arc
He's also kind of an idiot. Let's give someone a map so that people can find me so that when they do I can tell them to f**k off. What a brilliant idea.
the movie was just bad, filled with plot holes (whole chase sequence, arcing lazers?, dropbombing in space), character assassination of Luke (the same luke who would try and redeem vader would then jump to trying to murder his nephew over nothing), pointless sideplot with finn and rose, snoke wasted, rey's parent mystery wasted, Akbar wasted, the logic of the purple haired commander in not telling anyone her plan causing everything to screw up, Leia god powers, and Knights of Ren??? (where are they?) the whole point of a second film in a trilogy is to continue the story set points set up in the first, this movie throws out every single story point from the first movie with an FU to the fans and JJ abrams. P.S. Phasma who??? (wasted again).
I was okay with Rey's parents turning out to be nobody. Sort of a... "doesn't matter where you come from, just what you choose to do now" kind of thing. Hard to say I was expecting anything of Akbar either. He didn't do all that much in the original trilogy either.
Agreed about Rey's parents, I never really gave a shit in the first place. Why does one need to be related to a Jedi to have the force? But Akbar was an Internet Meme God of the Galaxy and deserved a hero's death.
I hated the last Jedi because Rey experiences 0 conflict She’s strong with the force sure but she has no training, same as Luke in the first movie but he only defeated anything in episode 6. Luke loses his hand, gets his ass handed to him by some screeching Arabs and needs years of refinement to defeat Vader and even then he didn’t even kill anyone, Vader kills Palpetine and succumbs to his injuries from the force lightning. Rey can sneak around unseen on star killer base, knows how to operate fucking everything on the millennium falcon despite having no piloting experience, fights off a way more powerful and trained Kylo Ren. And somehow I’m supposed to believe an emotional, wild, undisciplined Kylo Ren and an emotional, wounded, untrained, undisciplined Rey fucking wipe SNOKE AND 8 FORCE SENSITIVE PRAETORIAN GAURDS WITH LIGHTSABER RESISTANT ARMOR AND YEARS OF TRAINING BECAUSE PLOT?! BULLSHIT SOMEONE FIRE SOMEONE ELSE!
"Lightsaber resistant armor" *Rey and Kylo repeatedly stab clean through armored guards* In Episode 7 we see that Rey is very sufficient in warding off foe with her staff which we see her clumsily translate into the lightsaber fight with an injured Kylo at the end of that movie. In Episode 8 we see that she practices moves with her staff in front of a rock and then, a little more fluid this time, translates those moves with a lightsaber. Kylo is established to be reckless and not sufficiently trained, and in Episode 8 we see that he was a very young when he turned and can be assumed that he received limited training from Luke before he received some training from Snoke. In Episode 8 he does not complete his training, but it is established that he has enough raw power to scare Luke with Rey having the same raw power. I also love how Rey says to Snoke "you're underestimation of us will be your downfall" right before he underestimates Kylo and dies. "knows how to operate fucking everything on the millennium falcon despite having no piloting experience" Even though in episode seven Finn says "we need a pilot" and Rey says "we've got one" talking about herself, we see that she uses her knowledge of old Empire tech (at the beginning of episode 7 we see her collect a fuse) later in the film where she pulls out a fuse in Starkiller base. We also see Rey express that it is difficult to fly the Millennium Falcon without a co-pilot and then smashes her whole village to bits before clumsily flying it into the air. The millennium falcon also was around since she was a child which she also knew where Uncaar Plot (or whatever that guys name is) stole it from and who stole from them etc. Also to mention she knows what was modified on it and is able to remove it later. The other argument of Rey sneaking around is a nitpick and not really genuine criticism because I can turn around and say that its bullshit that the Stormtroopers miss %100 of the time in ANH and it would be the same type of argument. All of what I stated was in the films and I am sorry that you didnt pay attention.
I wanted her to join Kylo or turn to the Dark Side soooo badly. They keep saying how she anf Kylo are conflicted throughout the entire movie but by the end they both still end up where they started... "Taking chances" my ass.
NukeDetonator Uh... that wasn't Light-Saber resistent armor... I think you're just making shit up. Cortosis-weave armor is the lightsaber-resistent armor, not what the guards were wearing. They had resistent gauntlets and weapons. Not armor. And just because it can resist something doesn't mean it 100% cannot be destroyed by it. There was a Star Wars comic issue where one of the characters went against Vader with a Cortosis weapon and was still struck down by Vader.
I'm so tired of people saying this movie is great because it took risks. If in episode 9, Darth Vader turns out to not actually be luke's father, that would shatter the essence of the Star Wars story, but apparantly many people would be fine with that because it was basly and unexpected.
Disney is veering too far away from the original flavor of Star Wars. For example- how many recognizable alien races did you see on Canto Bight? Any Twileks? Anything? Nope, all new, weird alien types.
Eh. I mean, Star Wars has always used aliens more for visual spectacle than anything. We don't really learn anything about the weird creatures at the Mos Eisley Cantina, or on Jabba's barge, or so on. Aside from Wookiees, I'm not sure any alien species are never named onscreen.
How could the most powerful galactic power be as inept as it was? The first order, instead of immediatly destroying the escaping fleet used the first few shots to destroy what was a completely abandoned base at that point. How do you not go after their only means of escape first? Poe said it himself "these things are fleet killers" so why would they make such a stupid move like that? The writers were just lazy and did not think these things through.
I'm not the best judge of this, since I'm not really a huge Star Wars fan, but my problem with the movie was the goddamn plot holes. Why the fuck didn't the purple haired chick not tell Poe about her plan from the beginning? What did the movie even accomplish? How the fuck did Princess Leia survive getting sucked into space? The writing was a mess.
I'm annoyed because people are saying that Star wars fans don't like it and I'm the biggest fanboy and I like it because my love for Star wars is bigger then one movie. And what the hell Star wars fanbase is? Even it doesn't know what's good or bad so it's like 10 devided tribes coming from the same ancient tribe. One big portion of them being fat jerks.
The "bad movie" arguments were superior to the "good movie" arguments in every way. They didn't overly appeal to emotion, they were logical and showed train of thought, they asked good questions to which there are no good answers. That last part only doesn't have answers because this movie is trash. We waited 40 freaking years to see Luke again, and they make him a sniveling broken weakling that almost immediately dies?! The saviour of the univers... dies...like he's a punk loser... after 40 years of waiting. This whole franchise deserves to die. Only then will they sell the rights to someone else who can remake this movie the way it DESERVES to be made.
You two cannot debate at all. Please do a little bit of research on why most people hated the film despite what the media says. I'm not even a star wars fan and I massively disliked it.
3:17 Scotty this movie wasn't hurt by nostalgia, at least not for me. From a personal stand point, I think the Star Wars movies are okay, a good popcorn flic but this movie with it's ham-fisted message lazily implemented.
I would go far as to say that The Last Jedi is the best film in the Star Wars franchise so far. The Canto Bight scenes were not a "distracting sub-plot", it was where the main plot went while the Resistance hangs about uselessly in space waiting to be destroyed. It showed the injustice in the galaxy and the motivations of ordinary people who joined the Rebellion/Resistance like Rose. All of that was taken for granted in the original trilogy, to its detriment. And as Scotty says, the Canto Bight scenes show that the Rebellion/Resistance isn't just made of space wizards and princesses, but regular and downtrodden people whose beliefs lead them to heroic actions. That's the key message of the film at the end, where the Resistance is all but destroyed, Luke is dead but Leia remarks that they have all they need to rebuild. After The Force Awakens I was dreading another soft-reboot of Empire Strikes Back. I can't wait for what follows The Last Jedi.
This was really great to watch. Enjoyed it immensely and it's nice to see Scotty being able to talk about movies. You guys should do Blade Runner 2049 next! Thumbs up!
I don't even think the best Star Wars movies were that great, so I didn't go into this movie with very high expectations, and yet I still thought it was dogshit. The character's motivations didn't make sense, most of them didn't develop in any meaningful way, and there was barely any world building, and what was there also didn't make sense. This movie felt small and pointless, but I don't blame the filmmakers... they did OK with what they had. It's just that this franchise is incredibly tired.
Fan Fiction, that is all these movies are. They have no grand vision behind them, no overall direction for the characters, just people who sat there and said "wouldn't it be cool if that happened?" and that starts for every movie anew. I felt like this was the most amateurishly written wasted potential I've ever seen. The problem is not all with the bold steps and risks, it's the god awful execution.
My biggest criticism of the Last Jedi is how they seem to have spend 7-8 movies telling us how special the Jedi are, and then Luke declares that there is nothing special about the Jedi.
Tossing the fandom criticisms aside, it is simply not a good film. Poor writing, poor pacing, poor editing. It is visually pretty and has a few solid moments, but overall it’s just not good from a filmmaker standpoint.
I agreed with Kaiser Scoopy. Honestly I loved this movie, it was a really fun and wild ride both times that I saw it. I thought it was excellent. And personally one of my favorite things about it is it was a big FUCK YOU to all the stupid fan theories. It took all the expectations people had, and tossed them out the window. In that sense it was unpredictable. I liked that.
The third films are usually the hardest to make. The second films can be the best one at times, Empire Strikes Back, Godfather part 2, The Dark Knight etc. The Last Jedi has no place on this list.
The problem with Scotty’s defense is not that the movie didn’t take risks, but that the person writing the plot and the characters is too thick to make this change of formula effective. This can be applied to almost all scenes in the movie, which is that the implementation of this paradigm shift in Star Wars is hollow because there is no effective discussion of philosophy.
I personally loved the Last Jedi, I'd go as far as to say it may be my favourite Star Wars movie. I liked to see Luke continue the tradition of his mentors Obi wan and Yoda by disappearing when he fucked up. I loved seeing the force-skype scene between Rey and Kylo Ren, as I feel their relationship and the conflict between them was one of the most intriguing aspects of the film, and seeing it play out was extremely entertaining. I liked the humour (which some call over the top and Marvel-like). I thought the entire story of showing how massive failure, distrust, and miscommunication can be to be fantastic! I loved seeing the heroes fight and fight but keep losing because of simple things like miscommunication because it upped the stakes so much. Are there problems? Obviously, but I feel like there are problems with all Star Wars movies. And maybe it was just this film particually catered to my tastes and not to others.
The Last Jedi is about the following . . 1) God dying outside of their body, so that magic can be shared inside reality 2) Safety destroying danger, so that safety can be exposed as the true source of danger 3) Absence attacking itself, so that absence can give itself a location 4) Violence meeting violence, so that the opposite of violence can meet reality's original disconnection 5) God having no ability to see, so that the opposite of God doesn't have to fear God
I just go by how many times I can stand watching a movie, the originals I've seen each about 6 times, the prequels twice, and the new franchise I'm content with once, maybe twice if someone else is watching it.
TJ wins! Taking chances only does so much. It still has to be good. I had absolutely no interest in Rogue One but I watched it and it's pretty good. Better than Force Awakens or Last Jedi. When I walked into the movie theatre my expectations were low, but I walked out pleasantly surprised.
I always thought in "empire strikes back" that Luke was letting himself fall to his death when Vader was trying to turn him. so when shit looks hopeless luke has just given up before.
Video popped up in my recommended and I enjoyed it! I do wish both of you would have taken some time to come up with more solid arguments but i think you guys did get to some of the base contentions between both sides. In reality the truth on the quality of the movie is somewhere in the middle. It is nearly impossible to be objective on it. Super easy to be subjective.
I liked this film just because the plot defied my expectations of the genre; Star Wars is usually defined by small-party heroics, presenting those as failing and actually having the military orthodoxy be the right thing to do for once was interesting.
Anything that detracts from the decades of books written after the movies is junk... Disney is trying to push agendas by changing the original stories and characters to suit what they want and its killing star wars. Sad days :(
Honestly, I think this movie was great. I'd even say it's the best Star Wars movie after the OT, maybe even on the same level as RotJ. The fact that the sideplot didn't lead anywhere - kind of irrelevant. It's still for the most part enjoyable, and there's no point in overanalysing a movie to the point where you say "well this didn't move the plot forward" - after all, it's about the journey and being entertained throughout, not about arriving at a certain destination. The nostalgia, I feel, was extremely toned down in this one. The only thing that struck me as purely nostalgic was the whole Yoda thing, but they made it so amazing that it actually doesn't really matter. And Rey's character - honestly, I think they did some interesting things with her. We finally get some motivation for her to be within the story - even if it's just "I want to understand my powers better" - and there's an interesting way she discovers herself in the force, with this whole mirror thing that's pretty metaphoric. What I disliked was her connection with Kylo, since it kind of removes from him being intimidating as a villain, but that's Disney for you, I guess. In general, I felt that the best part of the movie was how visible the "star wars ring theory" was in this. There's metaphoric connections to the other episodes everywhere, but they're not drilled home as nostalgic references like in TFA, but rather seem meaningfull in context. I especially enjoyed the little slave boy being a nod to young anakin and thus possibly sequelbait in some form. I also liked that we finally get to see a dark side guy straight up kill off his mentor to take the power. I think that was needed to drive home the point of recklessness and remove the feel of Kylo being a little emo bitch that TFA left behind. And lastly - the whole bit with Rose and Finn in the end, with her ramming his speeder and all, that everyone seems to love to hate on, was imo maybe one of the best scenes of the movie. They showed that despite all the inspiration and hope and moral righteousness you might have, sacrificing yourself for a futile battle still is pointless, and that you should fight for a cause, not just to destroy your enemies. It was kind of the moral of the story, and it felt like a great payoff tbh Maybe it also helped that I liked the character of Rose and apparently no one else did, but...eh.
RE 1: Scotty The problem with the themes are that they don't work on the themes well enough and add enough depth, if Ray was teaching people the ways of the force and showing others how to grasp the ideals of the evolving craft of new ideas or Luke having weaker force powers because of the holding on the old and inefficient ways of the force, THAT would make more sense. Rather than having two characters talk about the force and show a little bit of the old force user using some bad ass ability from the grave.
I don't necessarily agree that Kylo just wants to be another Vader. In TFA, yes he wanted to be like Vader. But even in the beginning of this movie we see him begin to shed that off as he destroys his mask. And even later on, after he kills Snoke, he tells Rey that everything, the Jedi, the Sith, the First Order, the Rebellion should be done away with, and changed into something more. Rey certainly wasn't that great of a character, though I'd say she was far from underdeveloped. When she first arrived on the planet she thought the Force was just some tool to be used. But as she went along further she began to understand from Luke that it's everything, it's called the Force for a reason. She begins to respect it more, learns to control it better. She even makes the mistake of believing that she could turn Kylo from the dark side because of her naivety and ambition. She was too reckless, and has begun to learn from it. Though I do agree that Finn and Rose were fairly weak characters, though I did like her interactions with Finn at first.
When people ask me if I like "The Last Jedi" my answer is "sort of", I think half of the movie is great and the other half is boring. I agree that the weakest part of this movie is the entire Finn/Casino Planet sub-plot, it's only purposes are to give characters we don't really care about something to do and create more one scene creatures they can make toys of. I don't have any problem with Luke going into hiding, as matter of fact that seems to be what Jedi do when things go bad, remember that's exactly what Obi-wan and Yoda do at the end of "Revenge of the Sith".
the problem with this series is there is no intimidating villain. no one is afraid of kylo. its always obvious the good guys will win but rey has never lost a fight, she even save kylo, its so obvious she will win its no fun.
Fin is the new Jar Jar Binks. The entire film of The Last Jedi sucked. I came out of the theatre regretting seeing it and wondering what the hell I watched. This movie was weak.
This movie was garbage. Reason? They invited the nostalgia by continuing Luke's storyline, and including shit characters, killed him off, and said, "hey get over it." It obviously did something different, it killed off the main character, Luke. And told us to fuck off, we got your money. End of the day, these sequels are written by too many people, and it shows. Poor writting will be star war's downfall.
"I'll let you start, TJ, because I feel I have the stronger position."
Famous last words.
its always weird seeing Scotty without glasses of some kind.
It took me awhile to figure out who he was.
It really, really is weird. Really weird.
Beady ass eyes.
Rose was the worst part of the movie.
Rose is the new Jar Jar.
"Meesa not fight what meesa hate, meesa save what meesa love, okie-day!"
The weakness of the New Republic and the strength of the "First order" annoyed me because it destroys the legacy of the "Return of the Jedi".
They released an entire book explaining how the FO gained so much power...
Sure, but I didn't say it shouldn't have went that way. I'm just saying they released an entire story explaining it. Someone would bitch and moan about the in-film side story explaining how they reorganized, amassed a fleet large enough (and Death Star 3.0) to conquer the galaxy again anyways lol I don't know what you want.
I can't stand this going in circles with the Empire is on top, now the Republic is, no the Empire is again... changing the names doesn't make it less obvious what you're doing
Would you be able to enjoy a Old Republic film(s)?
Agreed. The movie sucked. If I have to read a book to understand the sequel to a trilogy I watched 20 years ago, well... fuck the movie makers. It's lazy merchandising. They did everything wrong. Disney is the EA of movies. They cut out pieces of the story and sell it to you as comic books and novels.
Bombs dropping ... in Space. Firing a Laser like a Mortar ... in Space. Leia becoming Space Jesus. Admiral Ackbar being replaced by Admiral Gender Studies. The Asian chick (she was so forgettable I can't even remember her name) "sacrificing" herself to stop Finn from saving the day. Losing all of your fleet and 99% of your command structure and still claiming victory while chastising the only guy that achieved something in the movie for losing a few bombers to destroy a fleetkiller.
And it was entertaining but we can't deny that it was riddled with utter stupidity.
Oh my god! Its not like... that happened in the original trilogy or prequel trilogy!
Original Trilogy
-Star Destroyer FALLING in space onto Super Star Destroyer
-Bombs dropping in space onto asteroids
-Carbon based life in space (huge living worm that needs oxygen)
-Sound and fucking fiery explosions in the vacuum of space
Prequels
-Ships falling straight down in space (and no they're not in Coruscants atmosphere, they're past the exosphere)
-Traveling through a planets core -Explosions of fire and sound in space
"Oh nu STer Wurs isnt scientfiacally acurate? Whu?"
Admiral Gender Studies. Lulz
Nuke Detonator Thanks for that little strawman at the end there but I'd agree that those things were stupid as well. I'm just saying that The Last Jedi managed to condense all of that into one movie plus more, stretching the bounds of believability. I won't knock anyone who enjoyed the movie in spite of that as I still managed to find it mildly entertaining.
Lol those are literally the same things littered throughout Star Wars. The fact that you find something dumb because it isn't believable in a Star Wars movie makes you sound like an idiot. There are the same amount of dumb unrealistic shit in each Star Wars movie but yea sure its condensed all into this movie(even though you dont give examples except for two, and I can name more than two from the OT). Why even go to a Star Wars movie and then nitpick the science in it when the other previous installments shit all over that? It is not a legitimate criticism and the fact that you're watching a Star Wars movie expecting anything more than that is dumb too.
"This is a balsy move for the star wars franchise" ...by injecting more comedy because it works for Marvel, introducing an "I can change him" love story to draw in more women, and trampling on the legacy of Luke Skywalker.
SUBJECT TO CHANGE For someone named "subject to change", you don't seem very open to the change in Luke's character.
Indigo is purple going from adventurous young man willing to show mercy to his genocidal father to a man that would kill his nephew for being tempted by the dark side and refusing to leave a planet because you fucked up.... its not a logical change and it's a total regression from his previous story arc
*a man that would kill his nephew for being tempted*
Merely _contemplate_ killing his nephew, but... yeah. Unless there was some event in his past we don't see, where he had a similar choice and it ended in disaster, it's a rather weird change from "I can find the good in even the worst of us" to "I can't take any chances!"
*refusing to leave a planet because you fucked up*
Well, it's more that he's totally lost any faith in his capabilities and, as he says, he wants to end the Jedi for good.
The whole "everybody can be a Jedi" thing is a very literal, post-modern interpretation of the star wars universe. star wars is meant to be mythical, archetypal, like a dream. It's not supposed to be a literal commentary about contemporary social mores. That type of commentary is relevant for about 5 minutes, archetypes are deeply embedded in the human psyche, which is why they still resonate so deeply 2 generations later
How do you know what's it supposed to be?
Well, the whole "insignificant farm boy comes into his heroic destiny" bit is central to the original trilogy
Travis Himebaugh direct descendent is different from random farm boy.
Your mom's a Jedi
Exactly if anyone can have force powers what happened between the end of episode 3-3.5 would the galaxy refill with force users? Especially like Rey who can whip ass without training...I left the theater liking the movie...now thinking and seeing it against I hate is sjw bullshit..
Last Jedi = the cinematic representation of meh.
Brendan F'n O'Keeffe I'd say it's more of the cinematic equivalent of a eh
"The Last Jedi is the cinematic equivalent of Homer Simpson's makeup shotgun" - Mike Stoklasa 😂 I think he summed it up best
The "They're setting it up" argument is not a good argument. First off, this is the SECOND movie of 3, we should be carrying forward the plot not being put in a stand still, "setting up" more of the same and second, alot was set up in TFA and RJ tried so hard to make sure no one got to have fun guessing what might happen that he threw everything away that was being set up in the prior movie. The only thing this movie did different than other Star Wars movies was not matter to the whole storyline or move it along in anyway other than killing off Luke in a lame ass way. Nothing fucking happens in this movie. They get chased, Luke break dances around Kylo and wipes his shoulder off like a cartoon character then dies, and then they get chased more with some future promise that Star Wars is going the Marvel route with Broom Kid being the first of the new Xmen. This movie is trash and I haven't heard one good argument defending it. Saying it's bold, new, and different isn't an argument. Why is it? How it it? Also, everyone agrees that the kanto bite bullshit is bad, even fans of the movie so how the hell can you argue the movie is anything more than alright if 1/3 of the movie is agreeable trash.
Seemed like you had your own set expectations and that ultimately failed you.
SO this did nothing to advance plot? Are you serious? Did you even watch this movie? You're saying nothing happened at all in this movie? So the force wasn't expanded upon in several ways, Lukes arc didnt come to an end (I like how you say it was lame how he died yet he actually died to protect his sister and the Resistance, yet conveniently forget that Yoda died cracking a joke and telling Luke the plot so it could progress), Kylo and Reys arc went nowhere, and the Resistance wasn't reduced to 7 people? Not even in the originals were the good guys so numbered. You haven't heard one good argument defending it? Lmao then you dont read obviously. The Kanto Bite sequence was 7% of the movie quite fucking whining, it wasn't that bad. Also there are fans of the prequels which have longer and cringier scenes in them and yet there are fans of those. Its new in the fact that it takes some cliche star wars plot lines and turns them cleverly on their head while expanding the force in some ballsy ways (some work some dont: Leia space poppies-No Luke Projection-Yes Creating mass through the force-Yes). There are some legitimate problems with this movie, but it is in no way garbage.
I do agree that it's a stupid argument to say it sets things up, but I did like this film. It doesn't focus on setting things up. I don't know where the fuck Scotty got that.
SleepDivision agreed mate I've heard people talk about the movie saying loads of stuff they didn't like and yet still give it a 9/10.
Gavin Jones exactly, its just blind fanboying/girling
Horrible movie. Completely inconsistent with Luke's character and J.J. Abrams' whole setup from episode 7.
Max Mustermann this guy gets it!
Sssteve Wvvalt good counter argument............what are you like 8 years old lol
Max doesn't need to argue anything. He could have just left it at, "Horrible movie".
TJ unintentionally predicted Lando in the third film and it turned out that way.
I almost disliked everything in this film aside from the score and cinematography
i didn't really like the score, it felt weaker then the other films. there was no particular theme that stock with me.
Last Jedi took risks but ultimately fell flat due to poor character decisions, a weak plot, weak side characters, and a gross overuse of unnecessary humor.
Rey's acting = Mouth agape, eyes widened. Every emotion.
Jesus the missed potential with snoke is mind boggling
My thoughts exactly. Although I feel like they're using that as a means to go back and do a prequel, just like Rogue One, but for the First Order or some shit.
That was the worst part.
what potential? The guy was in TFA for like 2 minutes. There was literally no character depth to him whatsoever.
Instead, we finally have an instance of a dark side guy killing off his mentor to become more powerful, and also an interesting variation on the whole "let's rule the galaxy together" thing.
@@pwnulater Nothing in either film suggests that.
@@xPurpleDrinkx9001 lmao ok he was only built up as super powerful
The problem isn’t building something new it’s shitting on established lore. Set things up for the last movie? Why shouldn’t we expect a high bar? It’s from a trilogy that created the bar. Should we expect nothing short of perfection from a series this well established? Disney wanted to buy the franchise they knew what they were getting into when they rebooted the damn franchise. The low high bar defense doesn’t sit with me because of that
TJ is right. My main problem with the movie is the choices many of the characters made. For instance, the general whosits, she refused to tell anyone about her big plan. Her big plan would have mean the death of all involved but luckily Luke shows up to save the day. She had no way of knowing he would show up. Then gives everybody the "see, I told you so" look. And her being quiet about her "plan" caused a mutiny. etc, etc. I could go on but...
RIP Paul. Loved by many. Hated by some
6:59 “what’s the next one, hey we got lando?” He was right about rise of the skywalker lol
"To make the force more accessible" look guis, I'm now trans-Jedi because everyone can have more access to it now! The force isn't supposed to be some fucking building with a wheelchair ramp for those who can't use it.
We need more Scotty aside from DFF.
Scotty is daddy asf
Luke being the most well-developed character (minus the part where we miss his motivations for his broken spirit) doesn't say much in a movie where almost no one progresses.
Where do you miss his motivation for the broken spirit?
He literally ALMOST KILLED AN INNOCENT CHILD and in the process of doing so, led said child to the dark side, which was the thing he wanted to prevent in doing so to begin with.
How does that not fuck even the best of heroes up mentally?
Tacklepig Luke would never have done that though. The guy who believed his father (a complete mass murderer) was still redeemable would not turn on his nephew (the son of his sister and his best friend) because he had a bad dream. It's ridiculously poor writing just to give kylo a redemption arc
Gavin Jones Luke DID do that, you‘ll have to geht over it my mate ;-)
He's also kind of an idiot. Let's give someone a map so that people can find me so that when they do I can tell them to f**k off. What a brilliant idea.
geld213 Except he didn't give anyone a map. That was just the map to the Jedi Temple that Luke went to search for.
What in the actual fuck happened to Scotty?
WigWigingham shit looks weird man
It's called getting sexy. Duh
wtf r u talking about scotty is hot as fuck
Dude i saw this fucking guy here and i was like who the fuck is this, waiting for tj to introduce him.
He was rewritten as a Fat Boy to make things more gritty.
the movie was just bad, filled with plot holes (whole chase sequence, arcing lazers?, dropbombing in space), character assassination of Luke (the same luke who would try and redeem vader would then jump to trying to murder his nephew over nothing), pointless sideplot with finn and rose, snoke wasted, rey's parent mystery wasted, Akbar wasted, the logic of the purple haired commander in not telling anyone her plan causing everything to screw up, Leia god powers, and Knights of Ren??? (where are they?)
the whole point of a second film in a trilogy is to continue the story set points set up in the first, this movie throws out every single story point from the first movie with an FU to the fans and JJ abrams.
P.S. Phasma who??? (wasted again).
I was okay with Rey's parents turning out to be nobody. Sort of a... "doesn't matter where you come from, just what you choose to do now" kind of thing. Hard to say I was expecting anything of Akbar either. He didn't do all that much in the original trilogy either.
Agreed about Rey's parents, I never really gave a shit in the first place. Why does one need to be related to a Jedi to have the force?
But Akbar was an Internet Meme God of the Galaxy and deserved a hero's death.
Why did TJ call him scotty thats TJ'S brother not this scotty person
who the fuck is Scotty? I only see TJ's brother.
I hated the last Jedi because Rey experiences 0 conflict
She’s strong with the force sure but she has no training, same as Luke in the first movie but he only defeated anything in episode 6. Luke loses his hand, gets his ass handed to him by some screeching Arabs and needs years of refinement to defeat Vader and even then he didn’t even kill anyone, Vader kills Palpetine and succumbs to his injuries from the force lightning.
Rey can sneak around unseen on star killer base, knows how to operate fucking everything on the millennium falcon despite having no piloting experience, fights off a way more powerful and trained Kylo Ren. And somehow I’m supposed to believe an emotional, wild, undisciplined Kylo Ren and an emotional, wounded, untrained, undisciplined Rey fucking wipe SNOKE AND 8 FORCE SENSITIVE PRAETORIAN GAURDS WITH LIGHTSABER RESISTANT ARMOR AND YEARS OF TRAINING BECAUSE PLOT?! BULLSHIT SOMEONE FIRE SOMEONE ELSE!
"Lightsaber resistant armor" *Rey and Kylo repeatedly stab clean through armored guards*
In Episode 7 we see that Rey is very sufficient in warding off foe with her staff which we see her clumsily translate into the lightsaber fight with an injured Kylo at the end of that movie. In Episode 8 we see that she practices moves with her staff in front of a rock and then, a little more fluid this time, translates those moves with a lightsaber. Kylo is established to be reckless and not sufficiently trained, and in Episode 8 we see that he was a very young when he turned and can be assumed that he received limited training from Luke before he received some training from Snoke. In Episode 8 he does not complete his training, but it is established that he has enough raw power to scare Luke with Rey having the same raw power. I also love how Rey says to Snoke "you're underestimation of us will be your downfall" right before he underestimates Kylo and dies.
"knows how to operate fucking everything on the millennium falcon despite having no piloting experience"
Even though in episode seven Finn says "we need a pilot" and Rey says "we've got one" talking about herself, we see that she uses her knowledge of old Empire tech (at the beginning of episode 7 we see her collect a fuse) later in the film where she pulls out a fuse in Starkiller base. We also see Rey express that it is difficult to fly the Millennium Falcon without a co-pilot and then smashes her whole village to bits before clumsily flying it into the air. The millennium falcon also was around since she was a child which she also knew where Uncaar Plot (or whatever that guys name is) stole it from and who stole from them etc. Also to mention she knows what was modified on it and is able to remove it later.
The other argument of Rey sneaking around is a nitpick and not really genuine criticism because I can turn around and say that its bullshit that the Stormtroopers miss %100 of the time in ANH and it would be the same type of argument. All of what I stated was in the films and I am sorry that you didnt pay attention.
I wanted her to join Kylo or turn to the Dark Side soooo badly. They keep saying how she anf Kylo are conflicted throughout the entire movie but by the end they both still end up where they started... "Taking chances" my ass.
NukeDetonator
Uh... that wasn't Light-Saber resistent armor... I think you're just making shit up.
Cortosis-weave armor is the lightsaber-resistent armor, not what the guards were wearing. They had resistent gauntlets and weapons. Not armor. And just because it can resist something doesn't mean it 100% cannot be destroyed by it.
There was a Star Wars comic issue where one of the characters went against Vader with a Cortosis weapon and was still struck down by Vader.
Dot_Executables that’s why I said resistant
Yeah, because all the internal conflict she had while learning with Luke sure isn't conflict. *facepalm*
I'm so tired of people saying this movie is great because it took risks. If in episode 9, Darth Vader turns out to not actually be luke's father, that would shatter the essence of the Star Wars story, but apparantly many people would be fine with that because it was basly and unexpected.
Did paul loose wight?
They’re clearly writing these films on the fly and have no over arching plan for where this story is going.
It baffles me that fans of the original Star Wars can defend this one.
Stevie kept making me pause so he could interject his argument. It was like my own show with my three sons! Awesome!
I wonder if Scotty actually liked TLJ, or if he's just taking this position for the sake of the show.
Yeah, Scotty was just playing devils advocate.
Disney is veering too far away from the original flavor of Star Wars. For example- how many recognizable alien races did you see on Canto Bight? Any Twileks? Anything? Nope, all new, weird alien types.
Eh. I mean, Star Wars has always used aliens more for visual spectacle than anything. We don't really learn anything about the weird creatures at the Mos Eisley Cantina, or on Jabba's barge, or so on. Aside from Wookiees, I'm not sure any alien species are never named onscreen.
All I want to know is, why the fuck was there a map to Luke if he was hiding and didn't want to be found, hidden by Luke himself. made no sense.
So never mind the fact that the director said fuck the fans right?
TJ totally called the Lando thing hahahaha
How could the most powerful galactic power be as inept as it was? The first order, instead of immediatly destroying the escaping fleet used the first few shots to destroy what was a completely abandoned base at that point. How do you not go after their only means of escape first? Poe said it himself "these things are fleet killers" so why would they make such a stupid move like that? The writers were just lazy and did not think these things through.
Nice banter, but please try to make the sound levels more equal through out the video. The clips played exploded my ears since you talked so quiet.
yes. came to comment this.
Damn, Scotty lookin all groomed n shit (pause) 👌 nice work bro
I'm not the best judge of this, since I'm not really a huge Star Wars fan, but my problem with the movie was the goddamn plot holes. Why the fuck didn't the purple haired chick not tell Poe about her plan from the beginning? What did the movie even accomplish? How the fuck did Princess Leia survive getting sucked into space? The writing was a mess.
Every time I hear somebody defending this movie, somewhere, somehow a country is getting burned like Rome.
I'm annoyed because people are saying that Star wars fans don't like it and I'm the biggest fanboy and I like it because my love for Star wars is bigger then one movie. And what the hell Star wars fanbase is? Even it doesn't know what's good or bad so it's like 10 devided tribes coming from the same ancient tribe. One big portion of them being fat jerks.
ThePicturetaker you don’t even have to be a nazi to see that Feminism killed THIS MOVIE
the movie was fine :)
Lol the yoda cameo - “Read the Jedi texts have you? Page turners they were not” I nearly walked out for the 3rd time in the film right there.
The "bad movie" arguments were superior to the "good movie" arguments in every way. They didn't overly appeal to emotion, they were logical and showed train of thought, they asked good questions to which there are no good answers. That last part only doesn't have answers because this movie is trash. We waited 40 freaking years to see Luke again, and they make him a sniveling broken weakling that almost immediately dies?! The saviour of the univers... dies...like he's a punk loser... after 40 years of waiting. This whole franchise deserves to die. Only then will they sell the rights to someone else who can remake this movie the way it DESERVES to be made.
If all those younglings were as powerful as broom kid they wouldve whooped Darth Vaders ass.
You two cannot debate at all. Please do a little bit of research on why most people hated the film despite what the media says. I'm not even a star wars fan and I massively disliked it.
That scene at the end with the kid looked like a fucking Toys R Us commercial.
"Scotty! Let's run away together, Kaiser! You can rule my life forever."
This is the kind of content I want to watch: The Kirks disagreeing obnoxiously with strangers, each other, and themselves.
YES!!! We need more Scotty!
3:17
Scotty this movie wasn't hurt by nostalgia, at least not for me. From a personal stand point, I think the Star Wars movies are okay, a good popcorn flic but this movie with it's ham-fisted message lazily implemented.
Scotty looks like Jack Nickolsons Joker when he's wearing the skin color make-up 😂
The fact that Finn and Rose left the standoff to go fuck around at a casino killed all of the urgency. Wtf even was that bs?
I would go far as to say that The Last Jedi is the best film in the Star Wars franchise so far.
The Canto Bight scenes were not a "distracting sub-plot", it was where the main plot went while the Resistance hangs about uselessly in space waiting to be destroyed. It showed the injustice in the galaxy and the motivations of ordinary people who joined the Rebellion/Resistance like Rose. All of that was taken for granted in the original trilogy, to its detriment. And as Scotty says, the Canto Bight scenes show that the Rebellion/Resistance isn't just made of space wizards and princesses, but regular and downtrodden people whose beliefs lead them to heroic actions. That's the key message of the film at the end, where the Resistance is all but destroyed, Luke is dead but Leia remarks that they have all they need to rebuild.
After The Force Awakens I was dreading another soft-reboot of Empire Strikes Back. I can't wait for what follows The Last Jedi.
Holy shit, first time I've ever seen Scotty without sunglasses. What a baby-faced mother-lover. Love you guys!
The only thing missing from the 'hold for Hux' scene was a sitcom laugh track.
This was really great to watch. Enjoyed it immensely and it's nice to see Scotty being able to talk about movies. You guys should do Blade Runner 2049 next! Thumbs up!
"They are building something!!" "what did they build?" - "they built stuff".... Thanks.
This vid reminds me of why I don't speak to my brother anymore.
I just realized I don't think I've ever seen scotty without sunglasses on
I don't even think the best Star Wars movies were that great, so I didn't go into this movie with very high expectations, and yet I still thought it was dogshit. The character's motivations didn't make sense, most of them didn't develop in any meaningful way, and there was barely any world building, and what was there also didn't make sense. This movie felt small and pointless, but I don't blame the filmmakers... they did OK with what they had. It's just that this franchise is incredibly tired.
Fan Fiction, that is all these movies are. They have no grand vision behind them, no overall direction for the characters, just people who sat there and said "wouldn't it be cool if that happened?" and that starts for every movie anew. I felt like this was the most amateurishly written wasted potential I've ever seen. The problem is not all with the bold steps and risks, it's the god awful execution.
My biggest criticism of the Last Jedi is how they seem to have spend 7-8 movies telling us how special the Jedi are, and then Luke declares that there is nothing special about the Jedi.
The movie was a turd, a highly polished turd....but still made of shit.
At the end of the movie kylo ren was sure of his path. "Fuck the past, tradition is bullshit, let's make something new"
Tossing the fandom criticisms aside, it is simply not a good film. Poor writing, poor pacing, poor editing. It is visually pretty and has a few solid moments, but overall it’s just not good from a filmmaker standpoint.
POE DAMERON NOT EVEN MENTIONED even though he's one of the MAIN CHARACTERS.... I think that says a lot.
Moderately disturbing to click on a video from Paul's channel and not have it contain Paul...
He still talked too much, though.
I agreed with Kaiser Scoopy. Honestly I loved this movie, it was a really fun and wild ride both times that I saw it. I thought it was excellent. And personally one of my favorite things about it is it was a big FUCK YOU to all the stupid fan theories. It took all the expectations people had, and tossed them out the window. In that sense it was unpredictable. I liked that.
The third films are usually the hardest to make. The second films can be the best one at times, Empire Strikes Back, Godfather part 2, The Dark Knight etc.
The Last Jedi has no place on this list.
The problem with Scotty’s defense is not that the movie didn’t take risks, but that the person writing the plot and the characters is too thick to make this change of formula effective. This can be applied to almost all scenes in the movie, which is that the implementation of this paradigm shift in Star Wars is hollow because there is no effective discussion of philosophy.
I personally loved the Last Jedi, I'd go as far as to say it may be my favourite Star Wars movie. I liked to see Luke continue the tradition of his mentors Obi wan and Yoda by disappearing when he fucked up. I loved seeing the force-skype scene between Rey and Kylo Ren, as I feel their relationship and the conflict between them was one of the most intriguing aspects of the film, and seeing it play out was extremely entertaining. I liked the humour (which some call over the top and Marvel-like). I thought the entire story of showing how massive failure, distrust, and miscommunication can be to be fantastic! I loved seeing the heroes fight and fight but keep losing because of simple things like miscommunication because it upped the stakes so much.
Are there problems? Obviously, but I feel like there are problems with all Star Wars movies. And maybe it was just this film particually catered to my tastes and not to others.
I didn't like how Snoke and Rey's parents turned out to be nobodies.
The Last Jedi is about the following . .
1) God dying outside of their body, so that magic can be shared inside reality
2) Safety destroying danger, so that safety can be exposed as the true source of danger
3) Absence attacking itself, so that absence can give itself a location
4) Violence meeting violence, so that the opposite of violence can meet reality's original disconnection
5) God having no ability to see, so that the opposite of God doesn't have to fear God
I think it’s the first time I’ve ever seen Scotty without sunglasses
I just go by how many times I can stand watching a movie, the originals I've seen each about 6 times, the prequels twice, and the new franchise I'm content with once, maybe twice if someone else is watching it.
did scotty get bit by something
TJ wins! Taking chances only does so much. It still has to be good. I had absolutely no interest in Rogue One but I watched it and it's pretty good. Better than Force Awakens or Last Jedi. When I walked into the movie theatre my expectations were low, but I walked out pleasantly surprised.
Scotty wishes he looked like Suzanne. And Tj wishes he was as smart as Mike.
I always thought in "empire strikes back" that Luke was letting himself fall to his death when Vader was trying to turn him. so when shit looks hopeless luke has just given up before.
Video popped up in my recommended and I enjoyed it! I do wish both of you would have taken some time to come up with more solid arguments but i think you guys did get to some of the base contentions between both sides. In reality the truth on the quality of the movie is somewhere in the middle. It is nearly impossible to be objective on it. Super easy to be subjective.
I liked this film just because the plot defied my expectations of the genre; Star Wars is usually defined by small-party heroics, presenting those as failing and actually having the military orthodoxy be the right thing to do for once was interesting.
You can't please everybody, or in this case, you can't please 51% of the people who watched it
As Kaiser Scotty gets older, he gets more good looking!
Scotty looks like Owen Wilson ate one of the lesser Hemsworth brothers
On the side of TJ. This movie sucks!
Anything that detracts from the decades of books written after the movies is junk... Disney is trying to push agendas by changing the original stories and characters to suit what they want and its killing star wars. Sad days :(
I didn't even recognize him without the sunglasses 😎
Honestly, I think this movie was great. I'd even say it's the best Star Wars movie after the OT, maybe even on the same level as RotJ.
The fact that the sideplot didn't lead anywhere - kind of irrelevant. It's still for the most part enjoyable, and there's no point in overanalysing a movie to the point where you say "well this didn't move the plot forward" - after all, it's about the journey and being entertained throughout, not about arriving at a certain destination.
The nostalgia, I feel, was extremely toned down in this one. The only thing that struck me as purely nostalgic was the whole Yoda thing, but they made it so amazing that it actually doesn't really matter.
And Rey's character - honestly, I think they did some interesting things with her. We finally get some motivation for her to be within the story - even if it's just "I want to understand my powers better" - and there's an interesting way she discovers herself in the force, with this whole mirror thing that's pretty metaphoric. What I disliked was her connection with Kylo, since it kind of removes from him being intimidating as a villain, but that's Disney for you, I guess.
In general, I felt that the best part of the movie was how visible the "star wars ring theory" was in this. There's metaphoric connections to the other episodes everywhere, but they're not drilled home as nostalgic references like in TFA, but rather seem meaningfull in context. I especially enjoyed the little slave boy being a nod to young anakin and thus possibly sequelbait in some form.
I also liked that we finally get to see a dark side guy straight up kill off his mentor to take the power. I think that was needed to drive home the point of recklessness and remove the feel of Kylo being a little emo bitch that TFA left behind.
And lastly - the whole bit with Rose and Finn in the end, with her ramming his speeder and all, that everyone seems to love to hate on, was imo maybe one of the best scenes of the movie. They showed that despite all the inspiration and hope and moral righteousness you might have, sacrificing yourself for a futile battle still is pointless, and that you should fight for a cause, not just to destroy your enemies. It was kind of the moral of the story, and it felt like a great payoff tbh
Maybe it also helped that I liked the character of Rose and apparently no one else did, but...eh.
RE 1: Scotty
The problem with the themes are that they don't work on the themes well enough and add enough depth, if Ray was teaching people the ways of the force and showing others how to grasp the ideals of the evolving craft of new ideas or Luke having weaker force powers because of the holding on the old and inefficient ways of the force, THAT would make more sense. Rather than having two characters talk about the force and show a little bit of the old force user using some bad ass ability from the grave.
I don't necessarily agree that Kylo just wants to be another Vader. In TFA, yes he wanted to be like Vader. But even in the beginning of this movie we see him begin to shed that off as he destroys his mask. And even later on, after he kills Snoke, he tells Rey that everything, the Jedi, the Sith, the First Order, the Rebellion should be done away with, and changed into something more.
Rey certainly wasn't that great of a character, though I'd say she was far from underdeveloped. When she first arrived on the planet she thought the Force was just some tool to be used. But as she went along further she began to understand from Luke that it's everything, it's called the Force for a reason. She begins to respect it more, learns to control it better. She even makes the mistake of believing that she could turn Kylo from the dark side because of her naivety and ambition. She was too reckless, and has begun to learn from it.
Though I do agree that Finn and Rose were fairly weak characters, though I did like her interactions with Finn at first.
The kid wasn't inspired...just force sensitive
When people ask me if I like "The Last Jedi" my answer is "sort of", I think half of the movie is great and the other half is boring. I agree that the weakest part of this movie is the entire Finn/Casino Planet sub-plot, it's only purposes are to give characters we don't really care about something to do and create more one scene creatures they can make toys of. I don't have any problem with Luke going into hiding, as matter of fact that seems to be what Jedi do when things go bad, remember that's exactly what Obi-wan and Yoda do at the end of "Revenge of the Sith".
the problem with this series is there is no intimidating villain. no one is afraid of kylo. its always obvious the good guys will win but rey has never lost a fight, she even save kylo, its so obvious she will win its no fun.
dude this video is great, more of these dudes doing this please.
My biggest fear is that after all this they will be terrified to ever take any kind of chances with Star Wars and its gonna become bland as hell.
Soon we will click on a Bible Reloaded video and see the Kirk brothers. Where does the madness end?
Fin is the new Jar Jar Binks. The entire film of The Last Jedi sucked. I came out of the theatre regretting seeing it and wondering what the hell I watched. This movie was weak.
Thomas James Kirk the thirds sibling had some good points.
who is this kid next to TJ/
Tuptus8000 his brother
Are 30 year old kids, now? Shit, at this rate, with these bullshit mentalities, we're all kids until we're 60.
Just some bitch
This movie was garbage. Reason? They invited the nostalgia by continuing Luke's storyline, and including shit characters, killed him off, and said, "hey get over it."
It obviously did something different, it killed off the main character, Luke. And told us to fuck off, we got your money.
End of the day, these sequels are written by too many people, and it shows. Poor writting will be star war's downfall.