Don’t rent! Yeah you can make a bit of cash but you do not know the people and how educated or not they are. Plus the maintenance and repairs if they screw up. And maybe a law suit. If you get another then have it for you and only you. Don’t trust nobody. Sounds brash but it’s truth. I would hate to see you on the losing end of a bad situation. Think about it.
We downsized a couple of years ago. We are weekenders, use our camper for “camping” only. One thing I can see from this video is that you are not giving enough consideration to 1) - Tank size - Nothing worse than having to either cut a trip short or tear-down your campsite to go dump the tanks or always carry a portable tank tote. Not pleasant! And 2) - The bathroom size - Even tho it’s fully self contained, just sitting on a toilet or trying to dry-off after showering in the smaller bathrooms is a real pain, and going to a shower house is not always necessarily ‘getting clean’ because we have found that the majority (not all) of campgrounds don’t necessarily clean their shower houses. (Some have been downright disgusting!). Granted, we pull our TT with a truck so opting for a unit that’s a little longer is an option so that we can accommodate larger tanks and bathroom size. But, for us, my idea of “glamping” is using our own bathroom and is hands-down the #1 priority when choosing a unit for our family of 4. Just my 2cents worth!
I was so happy to see you tour the 22 BHE, this is the camper we are purchasing the first week of March. We have a few people in our Facebook group that have already purchased and are loving them. If you got to talk to anyone with the Grand Designs, hope it was Corey. He's who we are purchasing from in Virginia and was there for the show.
In terms of first time towing a shorter RV may sound like it makes more sense but after 1 summer of towing you'll get just as good at pulling a 30ft as you would a 20, other factors to consider are, as you mentioned, the weight, but also the height, as a taller RV is more susceptible to crosswind, and the number of axles, when going down the road the number of axles really just determines how much the weight of the rv is distributed, but backing up is a different story, a 2 axle trailer is more difficult to pivot than a single axle, infact it can be very difficult for a beginner to keep a single axle rv straight while backing up
We had a 24’ with no master bedroom, (pull out couch) and we had a 27’ with a bedroom. Both had bunks, no slides. I preferred the separate bedroom. I like the layout with the Murphy bed over the couch, bunks for kids and a full bath that is not a walk through.
We have 26’ not too overwhelming for beginners anything larger may be- we went with 4 kids tent -to pop-up (+1>kid) to 26’ trailer & love it- now just need elbow space😁
The advantage of the twin bed model is that for those of us who are length enhanced (TALL! - I’m 6’-6”) the mattress can stretch the full length of the bedroom. You don’t have to take up an extra 1-2 feet to be able to walk around the bed. As far as suv towing goes, any dry weight over 5600 pounds (max rating for Ford Explorer, others are similar) will move you up to Expedition class vehicles, max tow package medium trucks (Ford Ranger, Chevy Colorado) and half ton pickups.
131” wheelbase on your expedition max with about 1700lbs of payload. I would limit length to 25’ and GVWR if the RV to 8000lbs in order to keep tongue weight under 1000 lbs when fully loaded.
Don't get a single axel!!! One tire goes out and you're in trouble. It is not as stable to tow in any weather. Our son had a tire blow and it was so dangerous.
I have a Wildwood XLite 240BHXL Travel Trailer and it's great for camping. love the outside door to the bathroom great for kids to use so they don't track through the travel Trailer.
Our current trailer (we have had a few different ones over the years) has a walk-though bathroom. We love it. Our previous trailers have had small room type bathrooms and that was always a big negative for us. The walk-through bathrooms have lots of room to spread out our wings while drying off after a shower while those others felt too confining. There is just the two of us on most trips now, but even when our grown daughter goes with us, we have not had an issue with the bathroom being occupied, since the bedroom is the only thing blocked off, which is not used most of the time. On the other topics, I would not buy or rent a trailer with a murphy bed. It is too much of a hassle and the bed is even less comfortable than the typical RV mattress. Liquids weigh a little over 8.3 lbs per gallon, so 30 gallons is 250 lbs, and other gear adds up quickly as well. Regarding renting out a trailer, while most renters will treat your trailer at least somewhat nice, there are quite a few that will be a little more rough on it. Figure on more depreciation than the average trailer you only use yourself. Molding will break loose, surfaces will get scratched or worn quicker, etc.
Our one and only travel trailer is 29ft. We were looking for something very specific. We have six children. When we bought the trailer, our oldest was a senior in high school. We have a quad bunkhouse. Now our youngest is 18 and we only have one left at home. We did it out of necessity. I wouldn't buy one that long to use as a rental though.
I loved my Coachmen 257bhs. Sleeps 5-6 and under 7500 pounds. Azdel inside and out. It comes with a tub too. It was just too big for 1 person. 😊 So far I’ve owned 3 Coacchmen. 1. Apex nano hybrid. 2 Coachmen 257 freedom express. 3 Coachmen 192 rbs. ** while watching I’m like saying out loud. Go see coachmen lol I know you couldn’t hear me😅
Our first truck was a 1/2 ton, we have a towable camper that is 34 ft. We did end up upgrading our truck so it really is no big deal now. We pulled it with that 1/2 ton for a year though. It wasn’t a big deal.
I probably need to leave and edit here. My husband is very good at towing, we own a business and it’s pretty much a daily thing. We also NEVER had any tanks filled with anything. So we always went to campgrounds that had full hook ups. Now it’s not an issue at all, but we had to be very mindful what we had in the camper
We went to a pull behind from a 5th wheel and REGRETTED it. A pull behind does not drive well. We are in Daytona looking to get a new 5th wheel. I am trading in my suv for a new truck.
Listen to those talking about tongue weight being WAY more important than gvwr. Tow capacity doesn't matter. Payload limitations are all that matters. Midsize SUV means something under a gvwr of 4000lbs really. Only Durango and maybe a Pathfinder are midsize that can handle 4000-4500 pounds. All other midsize are gonna be WAY too low of payload.
I worry about you guys. If you rent it out ultimately you are responsible for it. Will you start a corporation to separate you from the liability? What will you do if they get a flat tire? Who will you get to fix it for them? What about repairs on the road? How about if they back it into something or another rig. Renting out an RV is a lot of responsibility.
Very true! Yes, we would put the rental under our LLC - we are still researching but there are some extra protections via the insurance that is provided but the RV sharing platforms (similar to what airbnb provides for hosts). Thanks for the comment.
My family lived full time in a trailer without slide outs and drove from the West Virginia panhandle to Southern California and back, eventually to northeast Philadelphia from 1951 to 1953 towing a 40 ft trailer behind a 6 cylinder Plymouth. I was 8 and my sister was 2 1/2 when we started out. (It also did not have a bathroom). My point is, I would not go too small if you want to spend any time in it.
Fuel for thought: tow capacity is almost meaningless on a tow vehicle. Its the weight on the back axle that limits things. 10% of your loaded RV is the tongue weight which can pretty much be added directly to the back axle. Full tanks are 700 to 1200 lbs on most RVs so never run with full tanks. 22 feet (26ft total) is probably the max RV floor plan to comfortably tow with a large SUV. How many people are going in that SUV? Single axle means more sway which is a big concern and more likely to loose control in a blow out. Double axle means that it is vital to keep the trailer level on the hitch which is hard to control when renting it. Murphy bed means you are not going to put one of those comfortable RV mattresses in main bed because it wont fit folded up. Bunk house is great for more beds but you lose space for kitchen, bathroom, storage, etc. I could go on and on. There are lots of tradeoffs in a Travel Trailer that you don't have to think about in a big class A. Its good that you are looking ahead because you need to take time to figure out what would work best for you in a travel trailer. With a TT there lots of places to go that a class A won't fit.
Keep an eye on tongue weight. It can be more important than total towing capacity. A trailer with excessive tongue weight can use up available cargo capacity of your suv long before you reach max towing capacity. Be careful.
Pretty sure you know this, but payload is the number you should be concerned about. You will find the max payload on the driver side door sticker. Your payload is hitch weight plus everything and everybody in the truck.
Follow Josh the RV nerd here. He is really informative about weight. He also demonstrates, in his videos, how accessible everything is with the slides folded in for quick overnight stops. He calls it “road mode.” He has helped us a lot narrowing down our options. We tow a 21’ about 4000 lb GVWR with our Jeep GC w/a 7200 tow rating.
Hey. Love your videos! Just having a look at the actual ford towing guide for 2017. I think your expedition has a dead hitch capacity of 6,000 pounds and dead tongue weight of 600 at the maxes. The 9200 looks like a theoretical max with a proper wdh set-up, which will transfer weight, not eliminate it, to your drive axle and your trailer frame/axle. I’d suggest using the dead weight numbers for your calculations. You’re going to run out of axle capacity - either front axle with a wdh or rear axle without it - if you tow upwards of 8 to 9 thousand pounds. Plus most of those lighter trailers I’d question the tension that wdh is putting on the frame. Truck might be the safer math. Good luck!
I second this. Most dealers, both RV and auto, ignore payload capacity when considering towing, and merely consider "Tow Capacity". The latter can only happen with an ideal truck configuration with an ideal trailer, which travel trailers never are. The weight bottleneck in order to be "legal" will almost always be the truck's carrying capacity: Payload. One other thing to consider is potential gusting crosswind load on a longer trailer.
I am looking into an RV-CamperVan Motorhome Park and location for Senior Citizens like a Retirement Community… Nursing Homes ARE NOT for everyone and are becoming more and more unsafe… Those I have spoken to would prefer that life than Nursing Homes… Other Amenities will be included like a Medical RV and Motorhome on site for Caregivers!😊🌹
I don’t know what State you are in so completely general but I know there are municipalities that forbid adult only parks. Only mentioning it so you can cross t’s and dot i’s. Let us know where you locate!
Wow! I'm surprised ! I almost never read comments, but the RV Assisted Living situation is exactly what I've been looking for! I tow with a Ford Expedition and it does a great job. I tow a 2018 Forest River Surveyor 245BHS. I got the bunkhouse model for extra storage. My dream tow vehicle is a Ford Excursion, but they are really hard to find .
I think you might not be looking at cargo carrying capacity and tongue weight. Just because it is say 7000 lbs it could be to heavy because of pin weight. A CCC of less than a thousand pounds could be very troublesome as well.
Cruisin for a bruisin??? How many are you getting? Your taking on the risk of newbie towers, camp partying and "yeah that safety gear's for sissies" is gutsy. Are you paying cash? Your financer may consider risks differently and call rhe loan.
you really dont wanna go over 6000 to 7000 dry weight on a standard 1/2 ton.. stay away from Open Range camper 26 to 30 Ft is about what your gona find
My rig is 33’ Forest River Salem. I love it. I don’t have any problems towing it. I’m solo. One thing I’d like to point out is many National and State Park campgrounds have length limits such as no longer than 27’ or 32’ etc. That is something you’ll need to consider and research instead you want to go camping.
Empty weight is meaningless. Nobody tows empty, and almost everyone loads a lot more than they think they do. So use the trailer’s gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) to decide whether it’s towable with a specific tow vehicle. 300-500 lbs of added stuff is really an underestimate. If you’re really expecting a safe tow with a medium size SUV, you better think 20’ or less.
Also check the payload capacity on the Expedition (inside sticker on drivers door), not just the towing capacity. Don’t want the tail wagging the dog! We have a 26 foot GD Transcend that’s 6147 lbs dry and tongue weight is 647lbs dry weight
If you’re looking for rentals, just make a list of what all the rental places are using. Cargo is the endless limiting factor of tow vehicles. My F150 will pull my airstream, 3 people, snacks, paddle boards and not much more due to its 1500lb cargo. I’m sure your suv will have a much smaller cargo capacity. Check the door sticker….and make sure the tires support this idea.
Better check that towing capacity for the SUV a little closer. It says 9600 pounds if properly equipped. That may mean an entirely different model than your extended version. As an example a long bed two wheel drive single cab F-150 has the biggest tow rating but everyone has the crew cab four wheel drive that only tows 8500.
Towing capacity is the weight of the trailer. The weight capacity of your tow vehicle is the weight of the passengers, fuel, anything in the bed and the tongue weight. Half ton vehicles will get overloaded in a hurry.
If you are thinking about down sizing, what about a class C you can drive it to dinner and other places like your car and you do not have pull a tow vehicle.
We love our Grand Design Imagine 17MKE, but it's just two adults and a Labrador retriever. If we have guests... I think a tent would work - HA HA! And we are full-time.
When we first bought an RV my husband said 24 ft is longest for backing up reasons (our driveway I crazier than any campsite) and for weight for our F150 at that time. (That was 20 years ago, so now we have moved up n what we have and can do much longer). Our first travel trailer had bunk room with 4 bunks and was perfect when our kids were kids)
We just bought a 23’ Jayco Feather Micro 199mbs. It is 4510 dry weight, 5750 GVWR and 625 dry hitch weight. It sleeps up to 8. We have 5 grand daughters that we want to be able to take with us. We were looking at the same thing as you guys in that we wanted a shorter travel trailer, sleep at least six people, and not put stress on our half ton dodge rebel.
With your tow vechicle, you need to look at payload...which you will quickly run out of. Figure on 10% of the weight for your tongue weight and then add in the weight of your WD, plus people, plus gear in the car, and you are prob overweight for payload. As far as length, I wouldn't go longer than 27 total feet with a good WD system. Much longer it will become the tail wagging the dog.
I love the idea of a Murphy bed with a couch underneath because who wants to stare at their bed all day long? I mean I get that it's camping shorter trips etc but I just think that's a really cool feature!
I agree, it's also excellent use of space in a small TT! Love my 2021 Keystone Passport 219bh, as a solo, it has everything I could ever ask for, truly cozy!
does it HAVE 3:73 gears? most expedition, even with the "tow package" have 3:31. its a dealer stupidity thing.. ford assssssumes that the dealer will actually read the tow guidelines and order max expedition tow and the 3:73 at the same time to actually have the tow rating that they say they have.. its not a minor issue or hassle.. my wife and i got burned - max tow - but 3:31 and oh my god.. 3rd gear struggling on a overpass hill 2nd gear on bigger hills and screaming. it matters, we gave up on our expedition towing after that - its a fabulous car, but ... omg 3:31 sucks.. you are good folks do your own reasarch.
I just always have a tent and comfortable bed for it, the kiddos sleep outside like I always did. My husband is a truck driver and he won’t do a long towable. We pull a 35’ fifth wheel garage model. Why, the winds etc.
We are glampers. Bought a TT to have the campground move on and off site and store for us. We do not like the "bounce" when inside and moving around. We are trying to figure it out or it will ne a short lived ownership. Our class A doesn't bounce when we walk. Downsizing is never easy.
Have you considered a bunk house in a travel trailer. We have had 3 the last one is A Heartland North Trail. But I liked the Jayco that had a large slide out in the bunk house. BUT if you want to make a BIG change. There is a 5th wheel that has a bunk house with 2 bedrooms that each have a slide out. Making it separate rooms.
The last one has an oven that none of the others had. Murphy bed is an excellent use of space. I like the bunks in the back of this (last) rig. I own a 25' Keystone Passport 219bh purchased new in 2021. Has a Murphy bed, double over double bunks, has an oven, no slides, ducted a/c. Sleeps 7 (using the dinette table). There is lots of storage via drawers (under the sofa/MB, under the dinette benches and the counter top), plenty of kitchen prep space. Not one to overlook. Oh and it is two axel.
Trying to get one where the bathroom is in the middle and you don't have to open a slide when you're on the side of the road traveling. If you can get one with a big back window that would be nice when you're at the river or a lake you can have a nice view. And also if you can get rack and pinion slides instead of schwintek. Schwintek sucks👍🇺🇲
Your estimated weight added for water, clothes, dishes, etc is low. The fresh water alone will be #gallons x 8.8lbs. The trailer will have a max cargo capacity and hitch weight that has to be added to get to the actual weight being towed
not gonna lie I cringed a bit when you talked about renting the RV and allowing other people to tow it....usual rental RV's are a you tow you set it up they show up and use it at the campground....then when they are done you go get it pack it up and tow it home.... I dont think I would be open to letting a family tow my rental RV.... a lot of liability issues with tires and towing and experience of the towers...
I can see this working if the customer wants to rent in your local area. They drive the distance in their personal vehicle and you can deliver your rental to a local camp site, takes a lot of stress out of the equation.
I had a 22 foot trailer loved it but towing was something that caused me way too much anxiety especially when a driver attempted to merge onto the highway BETWEEN my 1500 truck(every time I took my camper out the check engine light light would come on🤬) and the trailer. After that trip I sold the camper and bought a small van. I’d had enough of the limited parking and low gas mileage. I also trained the truck for a mid sized SUV
how about a MPG 25 BHS" like i have . you get a ing size bed, a real king size bed, like at home, and all the extras, i purchased mine in a liensale auction, that was only 2 months old bought from the bank, the only thing i did different was i installed a household refrigerator from the 10cu.ft, to 18cu.ft, with ice maker builtin. the dry weight is , 5100# or you can go with the 2200 dry weight is 4800#s,
We avoid Thor. Which is hard considering how many companies Thor owns. Some they've left alone more than others. Went to the show today, there's no shortage of things to choose from!
WE had a 26DJSE Grey wolf as our first camper for 5 years. Slept up to 8? 26 foot long, no slides 4500lbs dry; would HIGHLY recommend that same layout again for rental consideration honestly (Rear bunkhouse, front RV Queen, Jackknife and dinette). Drug it all over the country.
I was snickering as you looked through the trailers and talked about sleeping 6 and towing it with an SUV. You really have to go by fully loaded weight not dry weight for weight limit and the tongue is nearly always more than they say. My 25' has an advertised tongue weight of 860 but it is 1000# at CAT scale. Then there is the cargo or payload limit of the tow vehicle. My F150 is 1605# payload. My tongue weight takes 1000# of that so the cargo and me and even a friend about max out my vehicle and it is a max tow. When shopping I had to qualify the beds as child or adult rather than how many beds. Some sleep areas are ridiculous. I went to the show too and saw so much. Fun.
Check out a keystone passport SL 268BH. 5800 pounds, sleeps 8-10 people 30foot long and I tow the rv with my Toyota Tacoma. It’s a great size not too big not too small.
Hi, love your information, BUT, before you really consider anything that you will turn into a rental, please check out a national class c rental company for the wear and tear of there units. In your grandparents day I would say, good idea. Today, not in a hundred years. People do not take care of anything anymore. In one trip the nicest people can destroy your pride and joy. Had friends that thought renting a trailer was a great way to make extra income. Bought trailer, after first rental, sold it. The damage amounted one fourth of the value of the trailer. We live in las Vegas, NV.
As long as it's under 30 for parks. Man, if I knew you were going to be at the Tampa RV show, I would have tried harder to go. It was just a little too cool for my little one.
Great Reviews! Would you consider adding measurements of sleeping areas, the shower areas, and height of shower to your reviews? Just so we can get a better understanding of the trailer youre showcasing. A tape measure goes a long way and i think it would do well in one of your "top must haves" episodes.
First thing I noticed in the video is that you did a general google search of the tow capacity of your vehicle. First thing is look up by your vin number of the actual tow capacity of it. Then what I use for general rule is you do 80% or less that towing capacity. Just my initial thoughts on your search.
We have a lance 2185. 25 ft sleeps up to 7. Id definitely be looking to the payload not the tow capacity. With 4 people in the suv you will be pushing it with most of these trailers.
My wife and I are currently looking for our first and probably only rv. Mostly for the two of us and our German Shepherd. Our daughter and her potential future husband and most probably grandchildren so a model that sleeps 4-6 is optimal. We will be towing with a 1/2 ton full size pickup with a tow rating of 9700lbs and a cargo capacity of 1700 lbs. Although we are not really interested in a bunkhouse model we haven’t ruled them out due to the extra storage space they can provide. Tops on our list of “must haves” is a solid build quality. I want this camper to last well past the last finance payment. Of course I must do my part too. Ive seen lots of new units with broken shower doors, loose trim and other deal breaking quality issues. Other needs are: private bedroom with ample space to get dressed, real wood cabinets (no vinyl wrapped particle board or MDF, decent kitchen counter space, solid surface counters, a decent size bathroom, dinette and a sofa/sleeper. Sounds like we are looking for a magical unicorn. Throw on top of that decent camp side windows…. So here is what we have learned, lavish outdoor kitchens chew up a ton of needed indoor storage. I can throw my portable grill or stove on an outside table and cook just fine without smoke and grease splattering all over the side of a trailer. Coachmen underbed storage systems are amazing and imho should be on every rv made. But, I am not a fan of the “wood” used in their cabinets. I love double sided Azdel or similar walls. I am not a fan of Luan. Ive seen it used in home construction (floor underlayment) and it seems to be an excellent seeker and absorber of moisture. Luan makes great mold food. Everything in our search has been some sort of compromise except for a few models of certain manufacturers. I will say this, Ive seen some manufacturers under the Forest River umbrella that are top shelf and some that I don’t like. Its fun watching your take on our search. Thanks for the great content.
Be careful towing with a 1/2 ton. You MUST look at your over all capacity. Remember to take gas and people into consideration. In addition you need to know what your bumper can handle. Most 1/2 tons are much more limited than you think. DO NOT rely on the dealer for what you can tow. Do the math yourself. I’ve heard a number of horror stories where folks were sold something their vehicle couldn’t handle. I had a 1/2 ton and my uncle has one - your numbers don’t add up when you take everything into account. Just be CAREFUL is what I’m saying. I think the Glampers need to review their numbers too.
dont tow with an expedition. the rear independent suspension dont like heavy loads. lots of sway. And the differential will burn up. It isn't made to pull heavy loads long distance. Get a truck, with a straight axle. It will save you a lot of headache in the future.
@@GratefulGlamper Nah. Expedition tows just fine if you don't overload it. I have had 2 (2017 Platinum and 2021 Platinum) towing various TTs, most recently my 2021 towing a 27ft @ 8,000 lbs loaded weight, 780 lbs on the tongue. Just fine going cross country for a total of 10,000 miles. Not an issue with sway, even in the Dakotas (IYKYK). Just have to use a good weight distribution/anti sway hitch, I use an Andersen. Edit: If you are going to get close to the tongue weight max, I suggest getting SUMO spring helpers installed (I would do it, regardless). Also, WD hitches are a personal preference, but the Andersen is around 40-50 lbs lighter (less tongue weight) than traditional torsion bar style and they reduce the amount of porpoising that is inherent in a torsion bar WD hitch. If you want to chat about experiences towing a TT with an Expedition, let me know and I will drop you my email address.
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Don’t rent! Yeah you can make a bit of cash but you do not know the people and how educated or not they are. Plus the maintenance and repairs if they screw up. And maybe a law suit. If you get another then have it for you and only you. Don’t trust nobody. Sounds brash but it’s truth. I would hate to see you on the losing end of a bad situation. Think about it.
Love twin beds. Much easier to make the bed, no crawling out or over.
True story!
We downsized a couple of years ago. We are weekenders, use our camper for “camping” only. One thing I can see from this video is that you are not giving enough consideration to 1) - Tank size - Nothing worse than having to either cut a trip short or tear-down your campsite to go dump the tanks or always carry a portable tank tote. Not pleasant! And 2) - The bathroom size - Even tho it’s fully self contained, just sitting on a toilet or trying to dry-off after showering in the smaller bathrooms is a real pain, and going to a shower house is not always necessarily ‘getting clean’ because we have found that the majority (not all) of campgrounds don’t necessarily clean their shower houses. (Some have been downright disgusting!). Granted, we pull our TT with a truck so opting for a unit that’s a little longer is an option so that we can accommodate larger tanks and bathroom size. But, for us, my idea of “glamping” is using our own bathroom and is hands-down the #1 priority when choosing a unit for our family of 4. Just my 2cents worth!
We have the Minnie Winnie 2327TB and we absolutely love it with the twin beds.
I was so happy to see you tour the 22 BHE, this is the camper we are purchasing the first week of March. We have a few people in our Facebook group that have already purchased and are loving them. If you got to talk to anyone with the Grand Designs, hope it was Corey. He's who we are purchasing from in Virginia and was there for the show.
In terms of first time towing a shorter RV may sound like it makes more sense but after 1 summer of towing you'll get just as good at pulling a 30ft as you would a 20, other factors to consider are, as you mentioned, the weight, but also the height, as a taller RV is more susceptible to crosswind, and the number of axles, when going down the road the number of axles really just determines how much the weight of the rv is distributed, but backing up is a different story, a 2 axle trailer is more difficult to pivot than a single axle, infact it can be very difficult for a beginner to keep a single axle rv straight while backing up
We had a 24’ with no master bedroom, (pull out couch) and we had a 27’ with a bedroom. Both had bunks, no slides. I preferred the separate bedroom.
I like the layout with the Murphy bed over the couch, bunks for kids and a full bath that is not a walk through.
Us too! Thanks for watching
We have 26’ not too overwhelming for beginners anything larger may be- we went with 4 kids tent -to pop-up (+1>kid) to 26’ trailer & love it- now just need elbow space😁
The advantage of the twin bed model is that for those of us who are length enhanced (TALL! - I’m 6’-6”) the mattress can stretch the full length of the bedroom. You don’t have to take up an extra 1-2 feet to be able to walk around the bed.
As far as suv towing goes, any dry weight over 5600 pounds (max rating for Ford Explorer, others are similar) will move you up to Expedition class vehicles, max tow package medium trucks (Ford Ranger, Chevy Colorado) and half ton pickups.
My first RV was a 29'11" sunline that I towed with a chevy 1500 towed great.
Our first towable was a 30ft 5th wheel. However with that being said I did drive OTR truck pulling 53ft trailers
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131” wheelbase on your expedition max with about 1700lbs of payload. I would limit length to 25’ and GVWR if the RV to 8000lbs in order to keep tongue weight under 1000 lbs when fully loaded.
Thanks for the info!
Don't get a single axel!!! One tire goes out and you're in trouble. It is not as stable to tow in any weather. Our son had a tire blow and it was so dangerous.
Yikes! Thanks for sharing - good point!
I have a Wildwood XLite 240BHXL Travel Trailer and it's great for camping. love the outside door to the bathroom great for kids to use so they don't track through the travel Trailer.
Awesome! Thanks for watching and for the comment
Our current trailer (we have had a few different ones over the years) has a walk-though bathroom. We love it. Our previous trailers have had small room type bathrooms and that was always a big negative for us. The walk-through bathrooms have lots of room to spread out our wings while drying off after a shower while those others felt too confining. There is just the two of us on most trips now, but even when our grown daughter goes with us, we have not had an issue with the bathroom being occupied, since the bedroom is the only thing blocked off, which is not used most of the time. On the other topics, I would not buy or rent a trailer with a murphy bed. It is too much of a hassle and the bed is even less comfortable than the typical RV mattress. Liquids weigh a little over 8.3 lbs per gallon, so 30 gallons is 250 lbs, and other gear adds up quickly as well. Regarding renting out a trailer, while most renters will treat your trailer at least somewhat nice, there are quite a few that will be a little more rough on it. Figure on more depreciation than the average trailer you only use yourself. Molding will break loose, surfaces will get scratched or worn quicker, etc.
Thanks for the comment!
Our one and only travel trailer is 29ft. We were looking for something very specific. We have six children. When we bought the trailer, our oldest was a senior in high school. We have a quad bunkhouse. Now our youngest is 18 and we only have one left at home. We did it out of necessity. I wouldn't buy one that long to use as a rental though.
I loved my Coachmen 257bhs. Sleeps 5-6 and under 7500 pounds. Azdel inside and out. It comes with a tub too. It was just too big for 1 person. 😊 So far I’ve owned 3 Coacchmen. 1. Apex nano hybrid. 2 Coachmen 257 freedom express. 3 Coachmen 192 rbs. ** while watching I’m like saying out loud. Go see coachmen lol I know you couldn’t hear me😅
Thanks for sharing!
Our first truck was a 1/2 ton, we have a towable camper that is 34 ft. We did end up upgrading our truck so it really is no big deal now. We pulled it with that 1/2 ton for a year though. It wasn’t a big deal.
I probably need to leave and edit here. My husband is very good at towing, we own a business and it’s pretty much a daily thing. We also NEVER had any tanks filled with anything. So we always went to campgrounds that had full hook ups. Now it’s not an issue at all, but we had to be very mindful what we had in the camper
Thanks for sharing!
Thank you! We are actually headed to an RV show in Kansas City this weekend. We are upgrading to a 5th wheel this year.
Good video just saying that Ford or Lincoln doesn't seem able to tow a trailer suspension is not designed to pull trailers 🤔
Thanks for the feedback
I had a 27’, no problem, easy to pull.
Good to hear!
We went to a pull behind from a 5th wheel and REGRETTED it. A pull behind does not drive well. We are in Daytona looking to get a new 5th wheel. I am trading in my suv for a new truck.
Interesting! Thanks for sharing
Listen to those talking about tongue weight being WAY more important than gvwr. Tow capacity doesn't matter. Payload limitations are all that matters. Midsize SUV means something under a gvwr of 4000lbs really. Only Durango and maybe a Pathfinder are midsize that can handle 4000-4500 pounds. All other midsize are gonna be WAY too low of payload.
Thanks for the info!
Dry weight is irrelevant. GVWR is what you should be concerned about.
Which is what we talked about in this video. Thanks for watching
I worry about you guys. If you rent it out ultimately you are responsible for it. Will you start a corporation to separate you from the liability? What will you do if they get a flat tire? Who will you get to fix it for them? What about repairs on the road? How about if they back it into something or another rig. Renting out an RV is a lot of responsibility.
Very true! Yes, we would put the rental under our LLC - we are still researching but there are some extra protections via the insurance that is provided but the RV sharing platforms (similar to what airbnb provides for hosts). Thanks for the comment.
My family lived full time in a trailer without slide outs and drove from the West Virginia panhandle to Southern California and back, eventually to northeast Philadelphia from 1951 to 1953 towing a 40 ft trailer behind a 6 cylinder Plymouth. I was 8 and my sister was 2 1/2 when we started out. (It also did not have a bathroom). My point is, I would not go too small if you want to spend any time in it.
So amazing! 🤩
Those sofa sleepers suck!
LOL 3 or 4 hundred pounds of stuff for 4 or more people...try 1500 to 2500! You need to do more research on what it takes to be a towable owner.
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Are for real, not everyone wants a camper for a family less than 28 feet, no frigen room!!!
Fuel for thought: tow capacity is almost meaningless on a tow vehicle. Its the weight on the back axle that limits things. 10% of your loaded RV is the tongue weight which can pretty much be added directly to the back axle. Full tanks are 700 to 1200 lbs on most RVs so never run with full tanks. 22 feet (26ft total) is probably the max RV floor plan to comfortably tow with a large SUV. How many people are going in that SUV? Single axle means more sway which is a big concern and more likely to loose control in a blow out. Double axle means that it is vital to keep the trailer level on the hitch which is hard to control when renting it. Murphy bed means you are not going to put one of those comfortable RV mattresses in main bed because it wont fit folded up. Bunk house is great for more beds but you lose space for kitchen, bathroom, storage, etc. I could go on and on. There are lots of tradeoffs in a Travel Trailer that you don't have to think about in a big class A. Its good that you are looking ahead because you need to take time to figure out what would work best for you in a travel trailer. With a TT there lots of places to go that a class A won't fit.
Keep an eye on tongue weight. It can be more important than total towing capacity. A trailer with excessive tongue weight can use up available cargo capacity of your suv long before you reach max towing capacity. Be careful.
Suggestion double axels not single. Much safer for people towing and better balance!!
Thanks for the suggestion
And CCC! 🍻
Pretty sure you know this, but payload is the number you should be concerned about. You will find the max payload on the driver side door sticker. Your payload is hitch weight plus everything and everybody in the truck.
THIS!
Renting out your Rv may cause serious problems, I have seen rented rv’s, they get trashed.
We do like the RV sharing platforms because we can “vet” renters first. Thanks for watching
Follow Josh the RV nerd here. He is really informative about weight. He also demonstrates, in his videos, how accessible everything is with the slides folded in for quick overnight stops. He calls it “road mode.” He has helped us a lot narrowing down our options. We tow a 21’ about 4000 lb GVWR with our Jeep GC w/a 7200 tow rating.
Hey. Love your videos! Just having a look at the actual ford towing guide for 2017. I think your expedition has a dead hitch capacity of 6,000 pounds and dead tongue weight of 600 at the maxes. The 9200 looks like a theoretical max with a proper wdh set-up, which will transfer weight, not eliminate it, to your drive axle and your trailer frame/axle. I’d suggest using the dead weight numbers for your calculations. You’re going to run out of axle capacity - either front axle with a wdh or rear axle without it - if you tow upwards of 8 to 9 thousand pounds. Plus most of those lighter trailers I’d question the tension that wdh is putting on the frame. Truck might be the safer math. Good luck!
I second this. Most dealers, both RV and auto, ignore payload capacity when considering towing, and merely consider "Tow Capacity". The latter can only happen with an ideal truck configuration with an ideal trailer, which travel trailers never are. The weight bottleneck in order to be "legal" will almost always be the truck's carrying capacity: Payload. One other thing to consider is potential gusting crosswind load on a longer trailer.
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Best wishes in finding the best option for what you need 😊
I don’t know what State you are in so completely general but I know there are municipalities that forbid adult only parks. Only mentioning it so you can cross t’s and dot i’s. Let us know where you locate!
Wow! I'm surprised ! I almost never read comments, but the RV Assisted Living situation is exactly what I've been looking for! I tow with a Ford Expedition and it does a great job. I tow a 2018 Forest River Surveyor 245BHS. I got the bunkhouse model for extra storage. My dream tow vehicle is a Ford Excursion, but they are really hard to find .
escapees has an assisted living park in Livingston, TX
I think you might not be looking at cargo carrying capacity and tongue weight. Just because it is say 7000 lbs it could be to heavy because of pin weight. A CCC of less than a thousand pounds could be very troublesome as well.
For the largest possible market, about 16 foot 3,000 lbs. Those can be towed by most minivans or SUVs, but are much smaller.
Cruisin for a bruisin???
How many are you getting?
Your taking on the risk of newbie towers, camp partying and "yeah that safety gear's for sissies" is gutsy.
Are you paying cash? Your financer may consider risks differently and call rhe loan.
most SUV's or light trucks that have tow packages can tow 7000-7500 lbs.
you really dont wanna go over 6000 to 7000 dry weight on a standard 1/2 ton.. stay away from Open Range camper 26 to 30 Ft is about what your gona find
We went from class A to trailer and then back to class A. Save yourself some major regret. Don’t do it!
Going from a Class A .. you are going to not like a towable. They are not built the same as your Class A.
My rig is 33’ Forest River Salem. I love it. I don’t have any problems towing it. I’m solo. One thing I’d like to point out is many National and State Park campgrounds have length limits such as no longer than 27’ or 32’ etc. That is something you’ll need to consider and research instead you want to go camping.
Empty weight is meaningless. Nobody tows empty, and almost everyone loads a lot more than they think they do. So use the trailer’s gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) to decide whether it’s towable with a specific tow vehicle. 300-500 lbs of added stuff is really an underestimate.
If you’re really expecting a safe tow with a medium size SUV, you better think 20’ or less.
Thanks for the comment - yes, we've talked alot about how most Rver's are "overweight" on their towable RV's.
Another big thing to consider is accessibility to bathroom and fridge when slides are in. Big help when traveling with littles.
Good to know, thanks for sharing and for watching
Yes
Also check the payload capacity on the Expedition (inside sticker on drivers door), not just the towing capacity. Don’t want the tail wagging the dog! We have a 26 foot GD Transcend that’s 6147 lbs dry and tongue weight is 647lbs dry weight
Thanks for the info!
If you’re looking for rentals, just make a list of what all the rental places are using.
Cargo is the endless limiting factor of tow vehicles. My F150 will pull my airstream, 3 people, snacks, paddle boards and not much more due to its 1500lb cargo. I’m sure your suv will have a much smaller cargo capacity. Check the door sticker….and make sure the tires support this idea.
Better check that towing capacity for the SUV a little closer. It says 9600 pounds if properly equipped. That may mean an entirely different model than your extended version. As an example a long bed two wheel drive single cab F-150 has the biggest tow rating but everyone has the crew cab four wheel drive that only tows 8500.
You may want to check if your 9200 lb limit on the truck includes the driver too in the weight. Enjoy your videos - thank you!
Towing capacity is the weight of the trailer. The weight capacity of your tow vehicle is the weight of the passengers, fuel, anything in the bed and the tongue weight. Half ton vehicles will get overloaded in a hurry.
Our empty nester RV is a 2250rk
If you are thinking about down sizing, what about a class C you can drive it to dinner and other places like your car and you do not have pull a tow vehicle.
We love our Grand Design Imagine 17MKE, but it's just two adults and a Labrador retriever. If we have guests... I think a tent would work - HA HA! And we are full-time.
My first criteria is that it fits in my driveway because I don't want to pay for storage, so 26ft max for us.
I think you are looking too big for your SUV. You need to look at cargo capacity and tongue weight.
Thanks for the advice!
When we first bought an RV my husband said 24 ft is longest for backing up reasons (our driveway I crazier than any campsite) and for weight for our F150 at that time. (That was 20 years ago, so now we have moved up n what we have and can do much longer). Our first travel trailer had bunk room with 4 bunks and was perfect when our kids were kids)
We just bought a 23’ Jayco Feather Micro 199mbs. It is 4510 dry weight, 5750 GVWR and 625 dry hitch weight. It sleeps up to 8. We have 5 grand daughters that we want to be able to take with us.
We were looking at the same thing as you guys in that we wanted a shorter travel trailer, sleep at least six people, and not put stress on our half ton dodge rebel.
Checkout the Forest River Rockwood 2509S, full size bunks, HUGE dinette, Murphy bed with couch
With your tow vechicle, you need to look at payload...which you will quickly run out of. Figure on 10% of the weight for your tongue weight and then add in the weight of your WD, plus people, plus gear in the car, and you are prob overweight for payload. As far as length, I wouldn't go longer than 27 total feet with a good WD system. Much longer it will become the tail wagging the dog.
Good to know, thanks for the comment
I love the idea of a Murphy bed with a couch underneath because who wants to stare at their bed all day long? I mean I get that it's camping shorter trips etc but I just think that's a really cool feature!
I agree, it's also excellent use of space in a small TT! Love my 2021 Keystone Passport 219bh, as a solo, it has everything I could ever ask for, truly cozy!
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We pulled a 28 ft with a large SUV. All the weight was within parameters. BUT, it was terrible towing. Had to get a truck. Just an FYI. Start smaller.
does it HAVE 3:73 gears? most expedition, even with the "tow package" have 3:31. its a dealer stupidity thing.. ford assssssumes that the dealer will actually read the tow guidelines and order max expedition tow and the 3:73 at the same time to actually have the tow rating that they say they have.. its not a minor issue or hassle.. my wife and i got burned - max tow - but 3:31 and oh my god.. 3rd gear struggling on a overpass hill 2nd gear on bigger hills and screaming. it matters, we gave up on our expedition towing after that - its a fabulous car, but ... omg 3:31 sucks.. you are good folks do your own reasarch.
I just always have a tent and comfortable bed for it, the kiddos sleep outside like I always did. My husband is a truck driver and he won’t do a long towable. We pull a 35’ fifth wheel garage model. Why, the winds etc.
We are glampers. Bought a TT to have the campground move on and off site and store for us. We do not like the "bounce" when inside and moving around. We are trying to figure it out or it will ne a short lived ownership. Our class A doesn't bounce when we walk. Downsizing is never easy.
Have you considered a bunk house in a travel trailer. We have had 3 the last one is A Heartland North Trail. But I liked the Jayco that had a large slide out in the bunk house. BUT if you want to make a BIG change. There is a 5th wheel that has a bunk house with 2 bedrooms that each have a slide out. Making it separate rooms.
The last one has an oven that none of the others had. Murphy bed is an excellent use of space. I like the bunks in the back of this (last) rig.
I own a 25' Keystone Passport 219bh purchased new in 2021. Has a Murphy bed, double over double bunks, has an oven, no slides, ducted a/c. Sleeps 7 (using the dinette table). There is lots of storage via drawers (under the sofa/MB, under the dinette benches and the counter top), plenty of kitchen prep space. Not one to overlook. Oh and it is two axel.
Trying to get one where the bathroom is in the middle and you don't have to open a slide when you're on the side of the road traveling. If you can get one with a big back window that would be nice when you're at the river or a lake you can have a nice view. And also if you can get rack and pinion slides instead of schwintek. Schwintek sucks👍🇺🇲
I really wanted to watch this but as the lady was insistent on over explaining everthing, I had to bail after, just under 3 minutes.
Get a truck. 5-7 is too much for an suv.
Thanks for the info!
Your estimated weight added for water, clothes, dishes, etc is low. The fresh water alone will be #gallons x 8.8lbs. The trailer will have a max cargo capacity and hitch weight that has to be added to get to the actual weight being towed
28 feet would be Overwhelming to me bc I’ve never towed (toad) anything that long
We had a 27” one slide out. Bathroom up front bed room in back good kitchen
I can't imagine finding a 21 foot camper that will sleep 6. That's pretty small.
We will see if one exists!!
I wouldn’t rent my RV out unless it was essential ppl ruin them
25 feet and be allowed to stay in State and Federal campgrounds.
not gonna lie I cringed a bit when you talked about renting the RV and allowing other people to tow it....usual rental RV's are a you tow you set it up they show up and use it at the campground....then when they are done you go get it pack it up and tow it home.... I dont think I would be open to letting a family tow my rental RV.... a lot of liability issues with tires and towing and experience of the towers...
Taking the RV and setting it up or letting someone else tow it are all things we are weighing out. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts
I can see this working if the customer wants to rent in your local area. They drive the distance in their personal vehicle and you can deliver your rental to a local camp site, takes a lot of stress out of the equation.
OMG!!!! The finger quotes....STOP
I had a 22 foot trailer loved it but towing was something that caused me way too much anxiety especially when a driver attempted to merge onto the highway BETWEEN my 1500 truck(every time I took my camper out the check engine light light would come on🤬) and the trailer. After that trip I sold the camper and bought a small van. I’d had enough of the limited parking and low gas mileage. I also trained the truck for a mid sized SUV
Thanks for sharing your experience and for watching
how about a MPG 25 BHS" like i have . you get a ing size bed, a real king size bed, like at home, and all the extras, i purchased mine in a liensale auction, that was only 2 months old bought from the bank, the only thing i did different was i installed a household refrigerator from the 10cu.ft, to 18cu.ft, with ice maker builtin. the dry weight is , 5100# or you can go with the 2200 dry weight is 4800#s,
We avoid Thor. Which is hard considering how many companies Thor owns. Some they've left alone more than others. Went to the show today, there's no shortage of things to choose from!
So true, lots to see! Thanks for watching
Love her shirt!
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The pickups tend to have a longer wheelbase and tow easier than SUVs. I’ve towed with SUVs and pickups..pickups are easier for towing.
Good to know!
WE had a 26DJSE Grey wolf as our first camper for 5 years. Slept up to 8? 26 foot long, no slides 4500lbs dry; would HIGHLY recommend that same layout again for rental consideration honestly (Rear bunkhouse, front RV Queen, Jackknife and dinette).
Drug it all over the country.
Thanks for the info!
I was snickering as you looked through the trailers and talked about sleeping 6 and towing it with an SUV. You really have to go by fully loaded weight not dry weight for weight limit and the tongue is nearly always more than they say. My 25' has an advertised tongue weight of 860 but it is 1000# at CAT scale. Then there is the cargo or payload limit of the tow vehicle. My F150 is 1605# payload. My tongue weight takes 1000# of that so the cargo and me and even a friend about max out my vehicle and it is a max tow. When shopping I had to qualify the beds as child or adult rather than how many beds. Some sleep areas are ridiculous. I went to the show too and saw so much. Fun.
Thanks for the comment and for watching!
Check out a keystone passport SL 268BH. 5800 pounds, sleeps 8-10 people 30foot long and I tow the rv with my Toyota Tacoma. It’s a great size not too big not too small.
Thanks for the suggestion!
Size goes by bumper to end a tongue
I live full time flag staff e pro 19 fd travel trailer only weighs 2850 lbs dry weight pull with a 4 cylinder pickup.
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Hi, love your information, BUT, before you really consider anything that you will turn into a rental, please check out a national class c rental company for the wear and tear of there units. In your grandparents day I would say, good idea. Today, not in a hundred years. People do not take care of anything anymore. In one trip the nicest people can destroy your pride and joy. Had friends that thought renting a trailer was a great way to make extra income. Bought trailer, after first rental, sold it. The damage amounted one fourth of the value of the trailer. We live in las Vegas, NV.
Thanks for sharing!
As long as it's under 30 for parks. Man, if I knew you were going to be at the Tampa RV show, I would have tried harder to go. It was just a little too cool for my little one.
It’s been cold this week! Thanks for watching
Great Reviews! Would you consider adding measurements of sleeping areas, the shower areas, and height of shower to your reviews? Just so we can get a better understanding of the trailer youre showcasing. A tape measure goes a long way and i think it would do well in one of your "top must haves" episodes.
Great idea!
First thing I noticed in the video is that you did a general google search of the tow capacity of your vehicle. First thing is look up by your vin number of the actual tow capacity of it. Then what I use for general rule is you do 80% or less that towing capacity. Just my initial thoughts on your search.
Thanks for the feedback
We have a lance 2185. 25 ft sleeps up to 7. Id definitely be looking to the payload not the tow capacity. With 4 people in the suv you will be pushing it with most of these trailers.
Good thought - thanks for the comment
My wife and I are currently looking for our first and probably only rv. Mostly for the two of us and our German Shepherd. Our daughter and her potential future husband and most probably grandchildren so a model that sleeps 4-6 is optimal. We will be towing with a 1/2 ton full size pickup with a tow rating of 9700lbs and a cargo capacity of 1700 lbs. Although we are not really interested in a bunkhouse model we haven’t ruled them out due to the extra storage space they can provide.
Tops on our list of “must haves” is a solid build quality. I want this camper to last well past the last finance payment. Of course I must do my part too. Ive seen lots of new units with broken shower doors, loose trim and other deal breaking quality issues. Other needs are: private bedroom with ample space to get dressed, real wood cabinets (no vinyl wrapped particle board or MDF, decent kitchen counter space, solid surface counters, a decent size bathroom, dinette and a sofa/sleeper.
Sounds like we are looking for a magical unicorn. Throw on top of that decent camp side windows….
So here is what we have learned, lavish outdoor kitchens chew up a ton of needed indoor storage. I can throw my portable grill or stove on an outside table and cook just fine without smoke and grease splattering all over the side of a trailer. Coachmen underbed storage systems are amazing and imho should be on every rv made. But, I am not a fan of the “wood” used in their cabinets. I love double sided Azdel or similar walls. I am not a fan of Luan. Ive seen it used in home construction (floor underlayment) and it seems to be an excellent seeker and absorber of moisture. Luan makes great mold food.
Everything in our search has been some sort of compromise except for a few models of certain manufacturers. I will say this, Ive seen some manufacturers under the Forest River umbrella that are top shelf and some that I don’t like.
Its fun watching your take on our search. Thanks for the great content.
Be careful towing with a 1/2 ton. You MUST look at your over all capacity. Remember to take gas and people into consideration. In addition you need to know what your bumper can handle. Most 1/2 tons are much more limited than you think. DO NOT rely on the dealer for what you can tow. Do the math yourself. I’ve heard a number of horror stories where folks were sold something their vehicle couldn’t handle. I had a 1/2 ton and my uncle has one - your numbers don’t add up when you take everything into account. Just be CAREFUL is what I’m saying. I think the Glampers need to review their numbers too.
@@larry-katebrenner8014 without any doubt
@@larry-katebrenner8014 without a doubt. Ive done my homework for sure but still have not settled on “the one” yet.
We love our grand design imagine 2400BH and tow it with our SUV!
Good to know! Thanks for watching
dont tow with an expedition. the rear independent suspension dont like heavy loads. lots of sway. And the differential will burn up. It isn't made to pull heavy loads long distance. Get a truck, with a straight axle. It will save you a lot of headache in the future.
Good to know!
@@GratefulGlamper Nah. Expedition tows just fine if you don't overload it. I have had 2 (2017 Platinum and 2021 Platinum) towing various TTs, most recently my 2021 towing a 27ft @ 8,000 lbs loaded weight, 780 lbs on the tongue. Just fine going cross country for a total of 10,000 miles. Not an issue with sway, even in the Dakotas (IYKYK). Just have to use a good weight distribution/anti sway hitch, I use an Andersen.
Edit: If you are going to get close to the tongue weight max, I suggest getting SUMO spring helpers installed (I would do it, regardless). Also, WD hitches are a personal preference, but the Andersen is around 40-50 lbs lighter (less tongue weight) than traditional torsion bar style and they reduce the amount of porpoising that is inherent in a torsion bar WD hitch.
If you want to chat about experiences towing a TT with an Expedition, let me know and I will drop you my email address.
Hitch weight and max load
You need to pay attention to hitch weight and payload of your vehicle. This is more important than what your vehicle will tow.
Thanks for the reminder!