My mother and I visited Colonel Paige’s resting place at Riverside, CA while visiting her uncle’s sites. Nothing fancy, just a headstone for him and his wife and his MOH inscription. He’s right next to the Medal of Honor memorial which has every MOH recipient’s name engraved in stone.
That was a very fitting tribute to some very brave men. TY Dave for bringing that to us in such a way. I loved the maps and photos. TY Woody for bringing Dave on the show again.
Another great talk from Dave Holland. These maps and pictures of the actual terrain where these Soldiers and Marines earned the MOHs will help me better visualize the actual events when I read of them in the historical accounts-invaluable.
Fantastic show. I never get tired of listening to Dave talk about the Canal. His knowledge of the terrain makes his presentations a notch above the rest.
I don’t know why but I’ve always rather read and learn more about the Pacific especially Guadalcanal. I’ve enjoyed the channel from both of you. Much love and respect from Cleveland
Great presentation on some very brave men. Sorry I missed it live. Finding the pins from the grenades had to be a high point of Dave's research! I would say everyone of these men who wear the MOH say it's not for them, but the men around them and especially those who didn't return. Dave has to be considered one of the 'Old Breed' with all the Guadalcanal research. Thanks Dave. Great program Woody thx!!
The photo at 40:14 is amazing! I grew up in west Tennessee just 45 miles from the Shiloh battlefield which I have visited many, many times. If you are there and see the Hornets' Nest, it seems so innocuous. The fact that it was one of the most bloody and intense fights in American history is surreal. That's what this photo does to me. It doesn't seem like a place of such great valor or a titanic struggle, it just seems normal, but at the same time you can see why it would be good defensive terrain.
The graves for the Union soldiers are rather nice. If you know where he died in the battle you could probably find it. I had a relative fight for the South there, but he did survive the battle. The Southern soldiers were buried in mass graves, and I don't think they are marked by which units they came from.@@johnmarlin4661
The graveyards for the Union soldiers are rather nicely done. If you know where he fell during the battle you could probably find the grave site. The Southern soldiers were buried in mass graves which aren't marked by which units the soldiers came from. I had a relative from a Texas regiment fight in the battle but he luckily both survived the battle and the war.@@johnmarlin4661
Just a thought, but the Battle of Santa Cruz was in mid-October 1942, the Battle for Henderson Field took place in late October, and then the two nights over three days Naval Battle of Guadalcanal happened in early November and then the Torch landings happened in North Africa. By the time the 25th Infantry Division went into action in late 1942 Guadalcanal was old news. You had war on the ground (finally) versus the Nazis (Vichy) and also the 8th Air Force started strategic bombings in Europe in early 1943. I think timing was so important for the US Marine Corps PR machine because literally no other American ground forces were taking the war to the enemy. The Australians were doing that in New Guinea with very little help from America at this time. Woody Allen once said of success in life was 90% just showing up. The Marines were the only Americans from August to October who showed up on the battlefield (plus the 164th Marines) in 1942.
I have real problem with movies made representing an important historical event then goes about Dramatizing it to the point where it doesn't even resemble what it's supposed to be portraying, and depending on the popularity of the movie it will give a large segment of our society a false understanding for years to come.
Glad I resolved to wake up early for this show with Dave Holland. His depth of knowledge makes him a very fluid presenter, along with the quality of his presentation materials. While a show on Guadalcanal Medal of Honor Recipients may seem somewhat esoteric, it did raise some interesting questions that were germinating in the sidebar conversation. The gallantry of these men naturally feeds the American narrative of a victory over the Japanese, representing a turning of the tide. However, when you consider the experience of the local inhabitants, "The Thin Red Line" presents the war as a sharp rupture to their idyllic life. Was the result as positive as the farmers in the "Seven Samurai"? Today, it seems that Guadalcanal has again drifted into the crosshairs of geo-strategic competition, with China and the US & partners vying for influence in this area of the Pacific. I'm curious what changes Dave will see on his next visit, what the sentiments are of the locals, and if there is any intersection/relation with the previous history.
Great presentation, thank you! Dave has a fascinating accent.... American but with some strong, almost Australian sounding diphthongs in there. Enjoyed that too.
Another fantastic presentation by Dave! I am glad that the other Medal of Honor recipients from Guadalcanal get the attention they deserve. I hope there will be a show on the fliers that received the Medal of Honor.
Daniel Wayne Hudspeth was born on March 19, 1913, in Ashland, Mississippi, their father, Thomas, was 31 and their mother, Mattie, was 27. He had four brothers. On September 4, 1940, Charles William McCaughey and Daniel Wayne Hudspeth 27 years old, first cousins and best friends, joined the U.S. Marine Corps together. Both of them went through Boot Camp at Parris Island, SC. Eventually, they both became Drill Instructors at Parris Island. After a while, they received separate orders. Charles was transferred to the Marine Barracks, 8th Washington, D.C., was on the Honor Guard at Arlington National Cemetery for the U.S. Marine Corps. Charles received orders to guard President Franklin D. Roosevelt at the White House and at Warm Springs, GA. Sgt. Daniel Wayne Hudspeth was ordered to stay at Parris Island. He then transferred to 8th and then to Quantico, Virginia. Daniel Wayne joined the newly formed Marine Raiders in January 1942- 1st Separate Battalion designated as the 1st Marine Raider Bn., Amphibious Forces, Atlantic Fleet. This group took part in the military campaign fought between 7 August 1942 and 9 February 1943 on and around the island of Guadalcanal in the Pacific theater I. ve by Allied forces against the Empire of Japan. They overwhelmed the outnumbered Japanese defenders, who had occupied the islands since May 1942, and captured an airfield (later named Henderson Field) that was under construction on Guadalcanal. Surprised by the Allied offensive, the Japanese made several attempts between August and November to retake Henderson Field. The second week of September, 6,000 Japanese troops mounted a night assault against 11,000 Marines from the south with the goal of taking back the airfield. The "Battle of Edson's Ridge" (or "Bloody Ridge") began on 11 September and continued until the 14th- .The 833 Raiders and Marine parachutists were outnumbered 5 to 1. The Raiders were ordered to hold the Ridge -- later named Edson's Ridge, at all costs, for if the Ridge fell, Henderson field fell, and if Henderson field fell, Guadalcanal fell. On the night of September 13 - 14, 1942, Daniel and his unit( C) held positions on a ridge about one thousand yards south of the Guadalcanal airfield, and stationed near the center of the position when a group of Japanese attacked and broke through the line. Quickly rallying his Raiders, he led them in hand-to-hand combat that stopped the enemy drive and ultimately restored the position, but at the cost of his life. For his inspiring leadership and extraordinary heroism in the face of overwhelming odds, Sergeant Hudspeth was posthumously awarded the Navy Cross. Company "C," which had borne the brunt of the repeated attacks on Hill #2, suffered 19 killed. The battle lasted 2 days and nights, many times with bayonets and knives. At night the Raiders had to listen to the screams of their captured comrades being tortured by the Japanese. These tortured screams intensified the Raiders' hatred of the Japanese, which had already been at high pitch when they learned the Japanese had machine-gunned survivors in the water from sinking ships. Despite repeated Japanese attacks, the Raiders held. So stunning was this defeat that the Japanese commander was ordered to Japan to explain his failure.
Went to school with a fornier, how many could there be? Man he looks like he might have been related ...very good stuff ya put on very good, the courage just hope I or any other would be 24% of what these men did , off the chain stories just amazing courage
Yep....Dave ( subconsciously ) does an quick accent-switch to US "southern drawl" when he starts to relate the actual engagements....with just a little Aussie slipping through....
Dave brings up the question of sometimes whether the recipient or action deserves it or not. I think a lot depends on the actual criteria for the award at the time. I've read several of the citations for MOH Is which brings that into question. Not whether or not the individual did something heroic but under what circumstances. For instance the purple heart theoretically is only earned for Injuries incurred in combat. It has been my understanding that the same "in combat" Criteria applied The MOH is well. But if you read through them several have been awarded only for training accident issues and even stateside at the time, Where you would think something more akin to a lifesaving medal would have been appropriate. But it is possible that the criteria for the MOH may have changed drastically over the years.
I don't know if Medal of Honor winners have always received a special Medal of Honor pension or not, but they do presently. When a Medal of Honor is awarded 40 years "late", as in the case mentionedtoday, does the pension supplement relate back the recipient's prior retirement age, or commence running only from the date of retirement when retirement is after the date of grant?
@@sandracarpenter4990 Correct. And that is a nuance known to me as to most who follow WW2 topics. I would make the distinction myself if in conversation with one who holds the Medal of Honor, or if introducing him as a speaker at a function. I would like think one who holds the Medal of Honor wouldn't be offended if someone in conversation with him, or from a podium introduced him, as a winner instead of a recipient.. Frankly, I have never met someone who holds the Medal of Honor. I would ask him if he would correct someone who referred to him as a winner instead of a recipient. He might very well correct the person. He might very well not.
From my experience the military seldom provides recompense funding for late awards or promotions that should have taken place in the past. However just like with the IRS when they find that you owe them money even if it was their error is air as soon as they find out they start taking steps to recoup that money no matter how far back the error happened. But the military does not believe in pay back plans. Depending on the amount the individual can go NPD (no pay due), For any number of paid periods until the debt is repaid.
Does anyone know more about the type of round the 37mm fired. I think they were of a similar range as basilone and may have had cannister that they were setting the fuse for point blank and wondering would the canister clear the gun before it went off
Rapid fire presentation. Unfortunately, the maps made it harder for me to follow. This presentation was for the adepts of the military, unlike old civilians like me. But fascinating nonetheless.
Correct and I mentioned that a few times. It's interesting that the MOH vets themselves from that era mentioning 'winning' the Medal. I thought if Mitchell Paige and Basilone can say it then it's not disrespect if I let it slip from time to time.
There is quite a lot of debate on this, some historians/veterans still prefer the word winning. Personally I like recipient, but I can see why people suggest it doesn't convey the "above and beyond" nature of a gallantry award. In that recipient comes from received which just means given. Maybe earned is the best word?
War Bond Tours through the years authors and journalist has mocked, made fun of, and in some cases the butt of Jokes for foreigners when using to put down Americans, "See, the American's only cares about the Hollywood Hyperbole and the Money", but you see someone had to pay for all those Tanks, Planes, Trucks, Ships, Food, Etc.. It gave people a realism about where their bond money was going and for what. The American public paid for this war at a time when many was still recovering from the depression and didn't have much for themselves to start with but they were happy to do so, it was a very American thing to do.
@@WW2TV I agree Woody. The War Bond drives were very important on the home front to help the public feel that their contributions meant something to the frontline servicemen. People who were medal awardees who were required to speak at these events were tangible and palpable symbols that reassured the folks back home.
I always love hearing Daves accent when he comes on. Its such a unique blend of Alabama and Australia
I just wrote the same before reading your comment 😊
It's a unique dialect: Alastrailian
My mother and I visited Colonel Paige’s resting place at Riverside, CA while visiting her uncle’s sites. Nothing fancy, just a headstone for him and his wife and his MOH inscription. He’s right next to the Medal of Honor memorial which has every MOH recipient’s name engraved in stone.
That was a very fitting tribute to some very brave men. TY Dave for bringing that to us in such a way. I loved the maps and photos. TY Woody for bringing Dave on the show again.
Thanks gents, well done. I learned a lot today.
Another great talk from Dave Holland. These maps and pictures of the actual terrain where these Soldiers and Marines earned the MOHs will help me better visualize the actual events when I read of them in the historical accounts-invaluable.
Fantastic show. I never get tired of listening to Dave talk about the Canal. His knowledge of the terrain makes his presentations a notch above the rest.
I don’t know why but I’ve always rather read and learn more about the Pacific especially Guadalcanal.
I’ve enjoyed the channel from both of you.
Much love and respect from Cleveland
Great to hear!
Just missing it live, gardening!! Another great show, so interesting the Pacific theatre, thank you Dave and Paul…. Outstanding!!
Great presentation on some very brave men. Sorry I missed it live. Finding the pins from the grenades had to be a high point of Dave's research! I would say everyone of these men who wear the MOH say it's not for them, but the men around them and especially those who didn't return. Dave has to be considered one of the 'Old Breed' with all the Guadalcanal research. Thanks Dave. Great program Woody thx!!
The maps and modern-day battlefield site photos were so helpful in getting an idea of how rugged and claustrophobic the terrain was.
Yep, Dave always puts together s super show
I got a funny feeling John Shively was another one of those 9 pple. He’s got Some great presentations on Guadalcanal
Might be. I don’t think John has made it into that area. No tour groups ever go there.
Nice presentation and discussion. Thank you Dave and Woody.
The photo at 40:14 is amazing! I grew up in west Tennessee just 45 miles from the Shiloh battlefield which I have visited many, many times. If you are there and see the Hornets' Nest, it seems so innocuous. The fact that it was one of the most bloody and intense fights in American history is surreal. That's what this photo does to me. It doesn't seem like a place of such great valor or a titanic struggle, it just seems normal, but at the same time you can see why it would be good defensive terrain.
Have a relative buried at Shihol .John Harrison Smith 3rd Iowa Inf Co E Union Army
The graves for the Union soldiers are rather nice. If you know where he died in the battle you could probably find it. I had a relative fight for the South there, but he did survive the battle. The Southern soldiers were buried in mass graves, and I don't think they are marked by which units they came from.@@johnmarlin4661
The graveyards for the Union soldiers are rather nicely done. If you know where he fell during the battle you could probably find the grave site. The Southern soldiers were buried in mass graves which aren't marked by which units the soldiers came from. I had a relative from a Texas regiment fight in the battle but he luckily both survived the battle and the war.@@johnmarlin4661
Just a thought, but the Battle of Santa Cruz was in mid-October 1942, the Battle for Henderson Field took place in late October, and then the two nights over three days Naval Battle of Guadalcanal happened in early November and then the Torch landings happened in North Africa. By the time the 25th Infantry Division went into action in late 1942 Guadalcanal was old news. You had war on the ground (finally) versus the Nazis (Vichy) and also the 8th Air Force started strategic bombings in Europe in early 1943. I think timing was so important for the US Marine Corps PR machine because literally no other American ground forces were taking the war to the enemy. The Australians were doing that in New Guinea with very little help from America at this time. Woody Allen once said of success in life was 90% just showing up. The Marines were the only Americans from August to October who showed up on the battlefield (plus the 164th Marines) in 1942.
this is a real good one !
I have real problem with movies made representing an important historical event then goes about Dramatizing it to the point where it doesn't even resemble what it's supposed to be portraying, and depending on the popularity of the movie it will give a large segment of our society a false understanding for years to come.
I just missed it.
Glad I resolved to wake up early for this show with Dave Holland. His depth of knowledge makes him a very fluid presenter, along with the quality of his presentation materials.
While a show on Guadalcanal Medal of Honor Recipients may seem somewhat esoteric, it did raise some interesting questions that were germinating in the sidebar conversation.
The gallantry of these men naturally feeds the American narrative of a victory over the Japanese, representing a turning of the tide. However, when you consider the experience of the local inhabitants, "The Thin Red Line" presents the war as a sharp rupture to their idyllic life. Was the result as positive as the farmers in the "Seven Samurai"?
Today, it seems that Guadalcanal has again drifted into the crosshairs of geo-strategic competition, with China and the US & partners vying for influence in this area of the Pacific. I'm curious what changes Dave will see on his next visit, what the sentiments are of the locals, and if there is any intersection/relation with the previous history.
By the way, I particularly enjoy any episode today's guest appears in, both on this channel and other channels.
I think you speak for all of us. Dave's knowledge is incredible
Great presentation, thank you! Dave has a fascinating accent.... American but with some strong, almost Australian sounding diphthongs in there. Enjoyed that too.
Shit, way to early for me. Wish I caught this, I still have a few questions for Dave regarding this campaign.
Another fantastic presentation by Dave! I am glad that the other Medal of Honor recipients from Guadalcanal get the attention they deserve. I hope there will be a show on the fliers that received the Medal of Honor.
I enjoy zeeing Dave..
Especially on Unauthorized History of the Pacifc War
Daniel Wayne Hudspeth was born on March 19, 1913, in Ashland, Mississippi, their father, Thomas, was 31 and their mother, Mattie, was 27. He had four brothers. On September 4, 1940, Charles William McCaughey and Daniel Wayne Hudspeth 27 years old, first cousins and best friends, joined the U.S. Marine Corps together. Both of them went through Boot Camp at Parris Island, SC. Eventually, they both became Drill Instructors at Parris Island. After a while, they received separate orders. Charles was transferred to the Marine Barracks, 8th Washington, D.C., was on the Honor Guard at Arlington National Cemetery for the U.S. Marine Corps. Charles received orders to guard President Franklin D. Roosevelt at the White House and at Warm Springs, GA. Sgt. Daniel Wayne Hudspeth was ordered to stay at Parris Island. He then transferred to 8th and then to Quantico, Virginia. Daniel Wayne joined the newly formed Marine Raiders in January 1942- 1st Separate Battalion designated as the 1st Marine Raider Bn., Amphibious Forces, Atlantic Fleet. This group took part in the military campaign fought between 7 August 1942 and 9 February 1943 on and around the island of Guadalcanal in the Pacific theater I. ve by Allied forces against the Empire of Japan. They overwhelmed the outnumbered Japanese defenders, who had occupied the islands since May 1942, and captured an airfield (later named Henderson Field) that was under construction on Guadalcanal. Surprised by the Allied offensive, the Japanese made several attempts between August and November to retake Henderson Field. The second week of September, 6,000 Japanese troops mounted a night assault against 11,000 Marines from the south with the goal of taking back the airfield. The "Battle of Edson's Ridge" (or "Bloody Ridge") began on 11 September and continued until the 14th- .The 833 Raiders and Marine parachutists were outnumbered 5 to 1. The Raiders were ordered to hold the Ridge -- later named Edson's Ridge, at all costs, for if the Ridge fell, Henderson field fell, and if Henderson field fell, Guadalcanal fell. On the night of September 13 - 14, 1942, Daniel and his unit( C) held positions on a ridge about one thousand yards south of the Guadalcanal airfield, and stationed near the center of the position when a group of Japanese attacked and broke through the line. Quickly rallying his Raiders, he led them in hand-to-hand combat that stopped the enemy drive and ultimately restored the position, but at the cost of his life. For his inspiring leadership and extraordinary heroism in the face of overwhelming odds, Sergeant Hudspeth was posthumously awarded the Navy Cross. Company "C," which had borne the brunt of the repeated attacks on Hill #2, suffered 19 killed. The battle lasted 2 days and nights, many times with bayonets and knives. At night the Raiders had to listen to the screams of their captured comrades being tortured by the Japanese. These tortured screams intensified the Raiders' hatred of the Japanese, which had already been at high pitch when they learned the Japanese had machine-gunned survivors in the water from sinking ships. Despite repeated Japanese attacks, the Raiders held. So stunning was this defeat that the Japanese commander was ordered to Japan to explain his failure.
Very enjoyable video guys !!!
Great channel!!
Went to school with a fornier, how many could there be? Man he looks like he might have been related ...very good stuff ya put on very good, the courage just hope I or any other would be 24% of what these men did , off the chain stories just amazing courage
Here is the Charles Davis MOH episode I referred to.
ua-cam.com/video/r31UE94G3wQ/v-deo.htmlsi=1P_Picn4FOInd9HT
Yep....Dave ( subconsciously ) does an quick accent-switch to US "southern drawl" when he starts to relate the actual engagements....with just a little Aussie slipping through....
Dave brings up the question of sometimes whether the recipient or action deserves it or not. I think a lot depends on the actual criteria for the award at the time. I've read several of the citations for MOH Is which brings that into question. Not whether or not the individual did something heroic but under what circumstances. For instance the purple heart theoretically is only earned for Injuries incurred in combat. It has been my understanding that the same "in combat" Criteria applied The MOH is well. But if you read through them several have been awarded only for training accident issues and even stateside at the time, Where you would think something more akin to a lifesaving medal would have been appropriate. But it is possible that the criteria for the MOH may have changed drastically over the years.
I don't know if Medal of Honor winners have always received a special Medal of Honor pension or not, but they do presently. When a Medal of Honor is awarded 40 years "late", as in the case mentionedtoday, does the pension supplement relate back the recipient's prior retirement age, or commence running only from the date of retirement when retirement is after the date of grant?
Good question
Medal of Honors are not
won they are awarded.
@@sandracarpenter4990 Correct. And that is a nuance known to me as to most who follow WW2 topics. I would make the distinction myself if in conversation with one who holds the Medal of Honor, or if introducing him as a speaker at a function. I would like think one who holds the Medal of Honor wouldn't be offended if someone in conversation with him, or from a podium introduced him, as a winner instead of a recipient.. Frankly, I have never met someone who holds the Medal of Honor. I would ask him if he would correct someone who referred to him as a winner instead of a recipient. He might very well correct the person. He might very well not.
From my experience the military seldom provides recompense funding for late awards or promotions that should have taken place in the past. However just like with the IRS when they find that you owe them money even if it was their error is air as soon as they find out they start taking steps to recoup that money no matter how far back the error happened. But the military does not believe in pay back plans. Depending on the amount the individual can go NPD (no pay due), For any number of paid periods until the debt is repaid.
Does anyone know more about the type of round the 37mm fired. I think they were of a similar range as basilone and may have had cannister that they were setting the fuse for point blank and wondering would the canister clear the gun before it went off
Rapid fire presentation. Unfortunately, the maps made it harder for me to follow. This presentation was for the adepts of the military, unlike old civilians like me. But fascinating nonetheless.
How can former U.S. Marine Dave Holland be contacted to schedule one of WW2 battlefield tours?
You can leave a message on his own Walking Guadalcanal UA-cam channel
I was unable to leave a message on his Walking Guadalcanal YT Channel@@WW2TV
Why not? His latest video already has comments, just leave another
Dave were you an 8541?
Yes, STA 1/5.
Medals of honor are not won they are awarded. Please don't think it's a contest.
Correct and I mentioned that a few times. It's interesting that the MOH vets themselves from that era mentioning 'winning' the Medal. I thought if Mitchell Paige and Basilone can say it then it's not disrespect if I let it slip from time to time.
There is quite a lot of debate on this, some historians/veterans still prefer the word winning. Personally I like recipient, but I can see why people suggest it doesn't convey the "above and beyond" nature of a gallantry award. In that recipient comes from received which just means given. Maybe earned is the best word?
War Bond Tours through the years authors and journalist has mocked, made fun of, and in some cases the butt of Jokes for foreigners when using to put down Americans, "See, the American's only cares about the Hollywood Hyperbole and the Money", but you see someone had to pay for all those Tanks, Planes, Trucks, Ships, Food, Etc.. It gave people a realism about where their bond money was going and for what. The American public paid for this war at a time when many was still recovering from the depression and didn't have much for themselves to start with but they were happy to do so, it was a very American thing to do.
Yes, but War Bonds were not exclusive to the USA, The UK, Australia, Canada, New Zealand all had very similar schemes
@@WW2TV I agree Woody. The War Bond drives were very important on the home front to help the public feel that their contributions meant something to the frontline servicemen. People who were medal awardees who were required to speak at these events were tangible and palpable symbols that reassured the folks back home.