You've never heard (of) these scales...
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- Опубліковано 23 жов 2022
- Yes, it's been a while...
We are in the finishing phase of our album (woop!) and finally found some time to present to you a new episode of our mini series on 31 TET!
This time we'll inspecting scales in 31 TET.
Due to its step sizes differing from the "conventional" 12 TET semitones, 31 TET harbors many ways in which we can create scales and invites us to explore some exciting wormholes to which to travel...
The final episode of this series will launch very soon as well! So stay tuned :)
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The video is so visually well done! Helped explain so much in such a concise way. And the Jazzy background music is at the perfect volume to not distract from the lesson.
Guys, you may want to see my Theory if Pitch Psychology. I have spent many years showing that composers unconsciously choose certain keys for specific emotive effects. And is based on labeling, or understanding that our hearing is spectral. For example, Love Songs over and over get written in C major. And just as C is a very warm, robust, full note, I label this Red. The rest of the psychological spectrum follows as a parallel to the 12 colors on the color wheel. My findings are shocking.
Si happy to have discovered your channel. Amazingly, this video of yours came up just after I re-watched one of my own videos, “How I See the Color Shapes When I Play the Piano!”
My favourite scale is formed by taking the smallest interval as the sixth root of (9/4) (which is two stacked fifths). In other words, it's sort of an equally tempered scale based on (9/4) instead of the octave (2). It makes a lovely sounding scale.
That sounds super interesting, where can we hear it? :)
@@HearBetweenTheLines A youtuber named Ghost Shark (formerly mannfish) had a video on it, but I don't know if he deleted it or if I'm not looking hard enough. He had it on his twitter account somewhere, I remember.
Isn’t the 6th root of 9/4 the same as the 3rd root of 3/2 (a fifth)? I remember Zhea Erose made a video about a scale using that interval, but repeating at the octave.
@@xenontesla122 Ooooh, link please? :)
@@HearBetweenTheLines ua-cam.com/video/uH3ahBzDSrs/v-deo.html this is the zhea erose video, but the scale that op is talking about would be stacking 6\31 and skipping the octave instead of resetting at it
Ya'll so musically high, don't forget to take a break between the lines!
Nah, sleep is overrated... ;)
It isn't!
@@HearBetweenTheLines Hehe, yes
31-TET is really cool. Have you guys played around at all with golden meantone? All the interval sizes have golden ratio relationships to other intervals, and it can be extended to work very well for 13-limit harmony.
Thank you for the video! I love the lego blocks and the animation. The diagrams really help my monkey brain.
Don't get distracted by how fancy the chord symbols look. Life advice.
We always try to round off our theory-episodes with some Küchenphilosophie (that's a german word for ya :D )
Thanks for the lovely comment! Looking forward to the next masterclass!
Amazing job guys.
As an Arab, I wanted to ask if we could hear some examples of how harmony could be worked into Arabic music?
I feel the microtonality of arabic music was only ever used as an ornament and never really formed the basis of any chord. Any counter examples?
Heyhey! As a half-Arab I asked myself the same thing! ;)
I came to some conclusions that we've really only hinted at in the previous episode about the Blues.
Here a glimpse into my thoughts:
Basically, you could think about the first three notes of Bayati as the 10th, 11th and 12th overtone, so E F+ and G if your fundamental is C. That would mean that Bayati could be considered the third mode of the overtone scale?
That also means you could harmonise it accordingly. This is not a traditional approach, so it will sound 'new' to both western and eastern ears, but I personally find this a very intruiging way of adding harmony to non western ... ehem... "scales" :)
@@HearBetweenTheLines Hey Rami, thank you for the response. What an interesting approach to Bayati.
I've been experimenting with maqam Rast lately and I found that if you lower the Ed and Bd to Edb and Bdb, you can approximate the 29th partial and use it each as very bright m7(+30c), which makes for some really springy dom7 and emphatic m7 chords. Using these brighter m7 intervals, I can maintain the feel of Rast while also blending it well into western tertiary harmonies.
I think this interval can be approximated also in 31-edo, AFAIK.
Geile Videos Jungs. Ich freu' mich schon auf das Naechste :)
Great to see a new video. It's been so long.
Glad to have you back, too ;)
i love the use of the lumatone here
When I first built my harpsichord, I kept it tuned in quarter-comma meantone, changing between G# and A-flat as needed. When I got to playing around with microtonality on my DX7 in the late ‘80s, I found that 31-TET is indistinguishable (within a few cents) from that meantone, in that it includes the whole range of sharps and flats for whatever key one might like. In the meantime, I had played on a Fisk organ tuned in Werkmeister III, and decided that was a more practical setup, and I liked the different flavors of different keys for Baroque music. Composers then were exploiting those flavors in different well-temperaments.
2:49 MIND BLOWN OMG 😱
rabbits rabbits rabbits. it's all about rabbits now
rabid rabbits rapidly rapping
Their prefered language? Uhh... 'rabic!
My guess was the first, second, and second scales were in 31tet. I could be completely wrong.
You got 1/3 :D
It was 2nd, 1st and then 2nd again, but the point is that they're really close to each other :)
great video, hbtl!!
Thanks, Amelia, we're also really digging your new series on 31!
thanks !!!
Welcome!
I just have an electric guitar tuned to an open 7th chord with detuned 3rds & 7ths. I don't know why more people don't do it. I think Eddie Van Halen used to detune the B string as a 3rd (Unchained, Runnin' With the Devil). Who knows what's been done with other songs in open chord tunings or slide guitar (Creed? Rolling Stones?)
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A
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F# -15 cents (3rd)
C -30 cents (7th)
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this channel has really evoked within me a desire to learn more about music theory. as someone with only very basic knowledge in the field, as i am self taught, do you guys have any recommendations for more basic music theory education?
12 - 1,4,5; 31 - 2,3,6
Oh my gosh the microtonal licc 😂
I actually laughed out loud
Bayati-Licc ftw! :D hahaha
Hey guys, just found at about this channel while looking for some microtonal shenanigans, you guys are making insane stuff! Looking for what Uni I'll be going to next year (I'm in Canada, Montreal). What universities around the world do you know are versed in microtonality? Cheers guys!
Have you guys ever used polychromatic notation? What do you think of it?
Is that the notation system that Dolores Catherino uses? We haven't tried that yet, because our EDOs haven't been large enough to necessitate that, but we find it a great idea to use colours instead of ever more cryptic looking symbols!
Have you used it before? :)
@@HearBetweenTheLines Ive never composed in a huge tuning like she has so Ive never had the need to use it but if/when I do I definitely would, I think its really smart
Great video! What is the name of that instrument that you used to demonstrate 31 TET?
It's a Lumatone :)
@@Thomas-yl8lb Okay thank you!
Great explanations. Appreciated. I have asked the same question under your latest IG post: how do you feel about the playability of the 31-TET guitar even it is a multi-scale instrument.
The scales and chords are quite appealing. I am wondering how long it takes to play out those tunes on 31 TET guitar? Thanks.
I have a multiscale acoustic and a regularly scaled electric guitar and they feel relatively similar in my fingers. I think if you can play barré chords and know some patterns on a 12-TET instrument, you can get a feel for this kind of instrument in a month or two, which I found astounding, to be honest, but muscle memory is really strong, it seems.
You'll have to come up with different fingerings for some chords, though, if you want to include notes from higher up the overtone series, maybe we'll make a video about that at some point...
Did that answer your question? :)
@@HearBetweenTheLines My questions have been well addressed. I am learning the 31-tet staff and looking for a reliable luthier to build me a neck. Looking forward to the release day of the recordings.
Appreciated.
are the background tracks released somewhere? it's so rare to find chill microtonal music like that :( i would love to hear the full background tracks. Also your content is so unique and very informative and well executed. keep it up guys!
Nah, not yet, but we're working on an album at the moment and it has some sweet microtonal sounds! :)
sevish has some really good microtonal drum and bass type stuff
The Linnstrument is objectively superior to the Lumatone especially with the available MPE expression.
how do yall like playing the lumatone ergonomically? really interested in getting one. just wonder about the design of the layout and orientation of the hexagons and how it affects how much one must move their wrist and stretch the hand to achieve regular chords
Since it has so many possible configurations, too.
Get the Linnstrument instead
is that a lumaphone in the background?!?! consider me jealous!
It is! :) Hopefully you'll have one, too, soon!
I thought the channel was called "In between the ears."
Close enough haha
these are great videos, it would be great to cut the low drone out when playing the scale examples though
Ok, noted, we'll try to make it clearer next time!
Low drone actually helps staying focused on rote note while listening to scale.
4:00 I am cheating a little by double checking on my keyboard, but it seemed to confirm my guess on the second scales being 31 EDO. Harmonic C minor(1), D-R-R#-M-F#-Sob-D (2; Solfège).
Hey you talk about 31 TET and how some patterns of notes wont line up with an octave, is this different from 31edo? or is this term one that can be used interchangeably?? thank you!
You can use TET (tone equal temperament) and EDO (equally divided octave) interchangeably for most cases. :)
It occurred to me that scales or chords that reach the octave not reaching the octave (or going past it) in 31-EDO may be a cause of the strange remodulations that creep into otherwise perfectly fine arrangements some videos feature of normally 12-EDO music in 31-EDO.
Totally, that can happen... It might be nice though! We did that a lot in our arrangement of Stevie Wonder's "Overjoyed"! But sure, it makes things more complex and if that's not what you're going for you can use other tunings :)
@@HearBetweenTheLines . . . which makes me think of 24-EDO(*), 50-EDO(**), and 72-EDO(***) since they are even-numbered. Not sure if having an even or odd number of micro-steps also has something to do with this not-always-wanted migration, but it also has the benefit of including a perfect (unjust intonation, square root of 2) half-octave (which gets quite a bit of use in jazz).
(*)not as many intervals in tune as 31-EDO, but chains of thirds go to the next octave, and easier to work in ensembles with existing 12-EDO instruments.
(**)almost 2/7-comma meantone, so pretty good set of intervals more in tune than 12-EDO. Sure is hard on fretted instruments, though.
(***)you get to choose whether your chains of thirds go to the next octave -- it has both just and unjust thirds of both types, and even works in ensembles with existing 12-EDO instruments. Sure is REALLY hard on fretted instruments, though, and is too big for even a Lumatone (unless maybe you turn it sideways to sacrifice octave compass for full coverage of micro-steps?).
@@Lucius_Chiaraviglio I'm hoping LumaTone eventually makes a version that can accommodate 72 EDO in the way Dolores C's MicroZone can.
I think 53tet is better but I watch it anyway. 31tet isn't bad.
Yeah 53 definitely has greater accuracy, but I feel like 31 has more character :)
Awesome. Thank you. Why isn't it called 30 TET? If each note is 40 cents, then you're dividing the octave unto 30 steps not 31. You're counting the tonic twice?
OK, now I got to the bit where you clarify that 6 whole tones no longer reach an octave, so 31 TET, which contradicts the cents size stated earlier. It's 38.710 cents.
Nah, it's slightly smaller, more like 38,7096... ct. :) So 31 notes until the octave repeats!
@@HearBetweenTheLines :) yes, I got the same. I rounded to 3 decimal places. Thnx for really inspiring videos. Really impressive, informative, and enjoyable.
you guys look like how thievery corporation sounds like
31 4:28
Nice music and hot dudes.
damn right!
Ok, aber wo bleibt jetzt die Planeten-Skala, bitte? Es gab da mal einen Ansatz: Josip Š. Slavenski (1895 - 1955)
* Looks at thumbnail *So, like the Avatar movie?
Loool!
1:58 my synesthesia hates this, it's mirrored upside down to me
Yeah, everybody's synesthesia is different, soorryyy ;)
Looks, like they're using Scriabins colors! It's a great standard: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clavier_%C3%A0_lumi%C3%A8res
@@HearBetweenTheLines nothing against the video or the editing, it's great!
@@WhiteRussianDolls I dunno why but I think of it as a rainbow still but with C being cyan, E being yellow, and Ab being magenta
2:05 Ciao, parli italiano?
Sí, ma solo un po :)
31 no it’s irregular. to divide steps. 31 divided by 6 is 5,166666666666… it would be more fair with 30 tet edo
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What part did you not understand? Would love to help :)