X-Men Origins: ICEMAN
Вставка
- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- History of the Marvel Universe No. 209
The Origin of Bobby Drake, Iceman
Sources:
Flashbacks of Bobby's Childhood and Origin
‣ X-Men 044-046 (1968)
‣ Iceman 002 (1984)
‣ Uncanny X-Men 319 (1994)
‣ X-Men Forever 003 (2001)
‣ X-Men Unlimited 009 (2005)
‣ X-Men Origins: Iceman (2010)
‣ Iceman 011 (2018)
The Original Five
‣ X-Men 001 (1963)
‣ Strange Tales 120 (1964)
‣ X-Men 007-008 (1964)
‣ All-New X-Men 001-002 (2013)
‣ All-New X-Men 007 (2013)
‣ All-New X-Men 015 (2013)
‣ All-New X-Men 017 (2013)
‣ All-New X-Men 023 (2014)
‣ All-New X-Men 033 (2014)
‣ Guardians & X-Men: The Black Vortex Omega (2015)
‣ All-New X-Men 040 (2015)
‣ All-New X-Men 013 (2016)
‣ All-New X-Men 017 (2017)
‣ X-Men Blue 002 (2017)
‣ Iceman 008 (2018)
‣ X-Men Blue 020 (2018)
‣ Extermination 005 (2019)
Back to the Past
‣ X-Men 019 (1966)
‣ X-Men 032 (1967)
‣ X-Men 051 (1968)
‣ X-Men: The Hidden Years 001-002 (2000)
A New Chapter
‣ Giant-Size X-Men 001 (1975)
‣ X-Men 094 (1975)
‣ Champions 001-003 (1975-1976)
‣ Spectacular Spider-Man 017 (1978)
‣ Uncanny X-Men 145 (1981)
‣ Defenders 122 (1983)
‣ Defenders 125 (1983)
‣ Defenders 127 (1984)
‣ Defenders 132 (1984)
‣ Defenders 138 (1984)
‣ Defenders 150 (1985)
‣ X-Factor 001 (1986)
‣ Thor 377-378 (1987)
‣ X-Factor 017 (1987)
‣ X-Factor 024 (1988)
‣ X-Factor 031-033 (1988)
‣ X-Factor 035 (1988)
‣ X-Factor 063-064 (1991)
‣ Uncanny X-Men 291-292 (1992)
‣ Uncanny X-Men 300 (1993)
‣ Uncanny X-Men 313-314 (1994)
‣ Uncanny X-Men 319 (1994)
‣ X-Men 050 (1996)
‣ Uncanny X-Men 331 (1996)
Additional information from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe.
Twitch:
/ merrymarvelite
Discord:
/ discord
Patreon:
/ merrymarvelite
Twitter:
/ merrymarvelite
Instagram:
/ merrymarvelite
Tumblr:
/ merrymarvelite
Reddit:
/ merrymarvelite
Music:
"Ethernight Club" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License
creativecommons...
#Marvel #XMen #Iceman - Розваги
Hey, heroes! I'm streaming again on Twitch this weekend! On Saturday, I'll be playing more Inscryption while on Sunday I'll be finishing Lego Marvel Super Heroes!
www.twitch.tv/merrymarvelite
Could you talk about Mr Sinister please, and all this guy have done, thanks
Could you PLEASE do the origin story of the Savage She-Hulk for me okay Merry Marvelite.
As a 3 and 4 yr old, I confused him and silver surfer constantly. My brother thought it was hilarious. The thing I love about comics most are the child memories and nostalgia they randomly unlock now when I see the characters.
The trouble with this "Origins" format is that I never know at what point your summary will stop... This time it stopped shortly before my favourite Iceman moments, these being his father standing up for him against Graydon Creed and his little rescue team during Operation Zero Tolerance. Still a very enjoyable listen, it's interesting to go through his story chronologically, thus having All-New X-Men happening halfway through 60s comics.
I think he does that so that he can potentially do a part 2 later down the line
Bobby is pretty cool, and he's a major powerhouse!
I like him as part of the team on Gerry Duggan's X-Men book.
Lol
Pretty "Cool"
Like many people my age I first encountered Iceman as a member of Spider-Man's Amazing Frieds. He was the reason why I brought my first issue of Defenders. So I've got a soft spot for Iceman.
I think Iceman was oe of the first X-Men to have a solo series. He had a 4 issue mini series back in the early 1980s.
Since you mentioned Moondragon, how about a video on her.
As always, MAKE MINE THE MERRY MARVELITE!!!!
Same here! Spider-Man and his amazing friends was my first exposure to iceman as well as any member of the X-Men for that matter!❤👍🏿
A few years ago, Amazon had the entire series! Even the one episode that Disney+ doesn’t have, and that’s the one about the red skull! I bought the whole series! And still watch it on occasion!
Everyone lets spread this channel, its way too good for it's sub count.
Since you did the history of Iceman, can you please do history of Firestar since they both fought alongside Spider-Man in the show Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends? Also no one else has done an origin video of Firestar
Yes!!
I agree!!
I'm a little disappointed you didn't include the event that changed Iceman from a Beta level to an Omega level. He single handedly beat Nimrod/Bastion in battle. I don't remember every detail but that story was amazing and, in my opinion, deserves more than a passing mention.
But I get it, there's only so much time in the day.
I mean the most powerful moment bobby had was tied to part of his mind that Bendis and Morrison and Jean Grey got rid of.
@@DIEGhostfish I'm not sure I follow. What did they do?
@@johnquiett1085 Maybe jot hist most powerful moment, but the time he responded to Emma Frost mocking him by professing his love for a woman and finally getting enough control of his powers to heal himself kinda doesn't work post-Bendis.
@@DIEGhostfish I did not realize they did that and took away his healing power! But yeah, that was a huge moment. That sucks.
@@johnquiett1085 I mean I don't think they took away his healing power, but he clearly was no longer in love with the woman, since he's now purely gay and not even Bi.
I LOVE how well you fit the retcon regarding his homosexuality into the continuity. It certainly elevates the cloud romance storyline in retrospect, but ofc all his other relationships with women are now clouded with a diff context
Yeah I find it best to ignore some retcons, when they shit on whole swathes of canon relationships that were key to the canon.
Such a senseless retcon
That retcon is stupid turning them gay is to associate them with the protected class that is brainwashed
Ice man might be younger than most of the x-men, but being not just one of the original six members but also being the third member of the team should give Iceman some seniority on the x-men!
Not third. He was the second mutant to join the school, after Cyclops. Until Jean became Phoenix, he actually was the most powerful of the 5 teammates.
@@CaptainFrost32 I say third because a lot of people seem to forget that professor x is an x-man too. Professor x is what I’d call the commander of the x-men and cyclops Is the leader. Since professor x came up with the idea to form the team, then shortly after recruited cyclops, then recruited iceman, so that makes him third.
@@jakeproven256 Prof X is not an X-Man.
@@doggowar he started the team, he commands them, therefore he’s not only an x-man, he’s the x-mens commander, cyclops is their leader. How is this difficult to understand?
Well played 🫡👏👏👏👏👏 an all-around excellent interpretation of the life of Bobby Drake!!
Iceman is one of the founding members of the x-men and his mutant power is very cool 😎. 😀👍
Bobby isn't gay. He spent years trying to get with Firestar in competition with Spider-Man. Marvel should have created a new character instead of messing up the IG Iceman.
Iceman was always the ladies man of the team until the modern era made Jean turn him into a 1990’s NBC sitcom gay stereotype
It’s pretty amazing just how powerful he has become.
~_~
I'm sorta sad that this coverage stopped right at Bobby accepting being gay and just trails off. I wanted to know what happened after and during the Krakoa era.
I always love your videos, M.M! I love Marvel Comics and every character you explained more spot on. Iceman is my childhood hero. He’s awesome in Spider-Man and ahi’s Amazing Friends, and X-Men the Animated series. He’s my main in Marvel vs Capcom 2 and X-Men Children of the Atom. He’s my spirit animal🧊🧊
Uber excited for this! Hope you can do Henry McCoy aka Beast one day!
Your videos are amazingly detailed. Thank you for sharing!
That little pray the gay away panel was so well placed.
I LOVE your videos, ESPECIALLY the Kang video! You deserve more subs!
Could you please do Red She Hulk and X 23?
Anyway, awesome videos!
What do you think is the best thing about Iceman in the Comics and in any other media? Which one of his powers and abilities do you think is the best? What do you think he would be like if he had the power of the Phoenix Force?
Good ol’ Bobby Drake.
Can you do history of the characters mentioned in this video? Are you going to do history of the other founding members of the X-Men like Hank_McCoy Beast and Warren Worthington Angel/Archangel?
Can you do an updated cyclops one please!!!
The story with cloud reminds me again how absolutely crazy comics get.
Speaking of Cloud, can you please do a video on them? I'd love for them to reunite with Iceman now that they're back on Earth.
Best classic X-man, don’t @ me
Truth
Agreed
Him or beast fs
@@theverminator4219 beast is pretty good
Could you do one on Angel/Archangel if you haven't? (Checking now...) if not Warren maybe Banshee?
I keep waiting & hoping you'll do the Deathlok (both of) & Cardiac characters, among a great many others to come up yet.
Can you please make a video on Betty Ross? She has such a rich (albeit confusing) biographical history.
Make mine Marvel! EXCELSiOR!!!👍
Great video, as always!
People making gay jokes about Iceman for decades: 🤣🤣🤣
People when Iceman actually comes out as gay: 😡😡😡
I don't recall any of those jokes seeing as he was with several women and *genuinely in love with* at least one of them. Hell I only really recall any after the Singer-Men movies. And I don't really like the idea that getting tied up with that nonce is the origin of the retcons.
@@DIEGhostfishget over it
@@squirtdemon Get over Singer thr pedo? Nah.
We wont @squirtdemon
@@squirtdemon
Go consummate yourself .
Iceman used to be one of my favorite X-Men. But not anymore. R.I.P Bobby Drake
I’m impressed you managed to fit the retcon of him being gay into the continuity but honestly I don’t think the retcon works all that much with him. It’ll probably work better with someone else.
Considering how awful the Beast is nowadays, it's ironic that he went back in time to get the younger X-Men because of Cyclops allegedly going to the dark side....
0:41 The way he's drawn here just screams "conservative dad who hates his kids"!
3:12 I saw TV movie about two girls who were allergic to light and the townspeople called them vampires and attacked them and their family and this happened in the early 90s.
Ffs this is the cringiest comment on here, ffs get over yourself, you are not a victim.
Awesome! My favorite OG X-Men member. I hate the retcon to his backstory though.
Interesting case of naturally occurring power creeping in comics as people go "Wait, if that's how OOO's powers work... why doesn't OOO also do XYZ?" Storm and Magneto also come to mind as characters who were much more "innocent" power-wise at first, but someone must have read the OHotMU entries and gone "Wait a sec here..."
The problem with super powers is that when you start to explain them, they can get quite problematic.
16:40 I'd never have guessed that absorbing man and Ice man have something in common power wise
Ice man cameo on family guy is the best
Who's better at using ice powers between Iceman and Luna Snow? Who do you think would win between the two of them? Can you do history of Luna Snow?
Does Luna have a legit backstory? She new and from a game. I think she's been in like 20 comics total
Ice mans a damn player in this synopsis, ain’t no way he faked being gay with all those girl friends
I hope the M.C.U. Earth-616 Realm’s (ICE-MAN) who appears someday is going to be presented as a straight guy.
Or bi
@@tamrymer4153 I would rather have the M.C.U. Earth-616 Realm’s BlackCat, or SPIDER-WOMAN be presented as a bisexual.
I just don’t want them to make him gay
@@briandaleske5139 i disagree, i want him to be queer AF in the MCU.
@@pathevermore3683 I wrote I hope M.C.U. (ICE-MAN) is president as a straight teen boy, and so I don’t want him to be a homosexual.
ICE BEAM! ICE BEAM! ICE BEAM! ARTIC ATTACK! ICE BEAM!
I never liked the retcon personally. Not cause of any problem with a character being gay. More just how forced in it felt. Came off as if the writers or some corporate committee went "we gotta have a gay character here" and in turn fundamentally clouslded his character history as a result.
Either that or they secretly meant for it to come off as Jean psychically changing Bobby for some reason.
Would've made more sense for them to at least say he was Bi instead of gay. Probably would've still seemed forced but not nearly as much and wouldn't have invalidated investment in past relationships of the character that fans had .
In morrison's run where they first made him bi wasn't it a reference to the actor's alleged gay ties to Singer(You know, the pedophile director) and how singer had his parents do the whole thing. Then Bendis did the Jean thing which was just disgusting on top.
Same. I didnt like what young Jean did and I also dont agree with the theory that someone who has flings is closeted or the false logic that most closeted gay people come out later therefore Bobby must be gay because it can be applied to anyone straight. Not against gay characters but I need stronger evidence because it undermines all his past relationship and his identity as a straight character. If he started as a gay character would it be acceptable to turn him straight? He dated an alien that switched genders and was uncomfortable by it, he must be gay. He brought Rogue to dinnre with his overly conservative and bigoted dad, he must be gay. Not all his relationships where flings and for a closeted gay man he showed a lot of emotion towards the women he's dated. Polaris, Darkstar etc. So if anything being bi makes more sense.
@@LunaticReason Right? It feels like a fanfiction-eque leap in logic
Actually what bugs me is the concept that he was closeted all this time implying his hetero life and feelings wasnt real. I think had they written it as him discovering new feelings and evolving them from there I would be ok with this change. This would still make him bi though.
Are you going to do history of lesser known characters like Rom_the_Spaceknight, Stingray, Ultimo, Inferno, Zora_Vukovic Victorious, Flerken, Blacklash, Deathlok, Elematrix, Vertigo, Titanium_Man, Crimson Dynamo, Dreadknight, Deathcry, Kobik AKA the Cosmic Cube, Blizzard, Quasar, Starbrand, Nightmask, Bastion, Master Mold, Nimrod, Starhawk, Fixer, Whirlwind, Chemistro, Whiplash, the Controller, Madam_Masque, Count_Nefaria, Ava Ayala the White Tiger, Crossfire, Living Laser, Century, Lore and Technovore?
ICE ICE BABY!
Good video although I feel you missed some really strong storylines but made sure to focus a good amount on one of the worst witch was Jean Grey outing him as gay. It was very poorly executed. Looking at his track record with women him coming to the realization later on in life makes a lot more sense than he's always been gay and always knew it. We have literally been reading his thought bubbles for decades. Hell maybe he was just questioning his sexuality is a young man and she pushed him into something he later in life comes to grips with. Overall a good video I'm just pointing out crappy writing for that particular time.
Are you going to do history of Ironheart, M'Baku, Namora, Attuma and Shuri as the Black Panther since they played a major role in the Black Panther Wakanda Forever movie?
What was up with Iceman being gay in the comics when he was straight during Fox's X-Men movies when he was dating both Shadowcat and Rogue? What do you think is the best thing about Iceman from Fox's X-Men movies?
Because the movies came out long before Bobby did in the comics. Mystique has never been depicted as being bisexual in any of the movies, and in the last two, she was in implied to be in a relationship with Beast.
Despite that, she’s openly bisexual in the comics and married to her lover, Destiny.
The movies and the comics are separate things
@@Dhampir101980 he also wasn’t gay in the comics until recently
@@thatoneguywho3434 I know. Jean using her powers to out him and her proceeding to him what his Own sexuality is was absolutely terrible. His coming out should have been much better and with care
@@Dhampir101980 She didn't out him, she changed him.
Hi Merry Marvelite,Great video about X-Men Origins Iceman keep them coming,also Bobby is pretty cool,and he's still a major powerhouse(5'8"(adult,cah, variable),145ibs(adult,cah, variable) I also like as part of the team on Gerry Duggan's X-Men book. It's pretty but simply Amazing how powerful he has become, also Bobby is not only one of the best X-Men ever, but also he's one of my favorite X-Men ever, also well played Merry Marvelite👏👏👏👏👏,an All Around excellent but superb interpretation of the life of The Iceman Robert "Bobby" Drake, also Bobby is one of the Founding Members of The X-Men but also both a Founding Member and Current Member of The X-Men/Krakoa X-Men,and his Mutant power is not only cool but also superb.🙂🟢👍🤛👏💪🇺🇲, as for X-Men Origins Cyclops i think I'll watch it tomorrow, also Iceman(Robert Bobby Drake 5'8"(adult,cah, variable,145ibs(adult,cah,(variable),Gender:Male Eyes: irises,Blue, Hair:Brown, Affiliation:(as of 2023): X-Men (Krakoa,Founding Member),also Bobby was the Second mutant to join the School after Cyclops.Until Jean became Phoenix,he actually was the most powerful of the 5 Teammates/X-Men.Hopefully you do an Updated Cyclops one later this year, also thank you for sharing Merry Marvelite keep up the great work stay safe out there have a nice day, and until next time True Believers Excelsior.🙂🟢👍💪🇺🇲🏋️🟢🦸❤️🤩
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
'THIS CHANNEL IS EXCELSIOR' ..
Can you do history of the Elementals(Hellfire, Magnum, Hydron and Zephyr), Bastion, Master Mold, Nimrod, Inferno, Zora_Vukovic Victorious, Night Nurse, Moondragon, Phyla_Vell and Genis-Vell along with the Supreme Intelligence, Puppet_Master, Diablo, Mole_Man and Angel/Archangel along with Exodus and Ex-Nhilo?
Bobby isn't gay, he just sells propane!
I'm not feeling the LGBTQ BS, either.
Wow 🤩 that was interesting 🧐
I'd like to see episodes on Banshee and Hank McCoy aka the Beast.
Can you do history of Master Pandemonium, Sleepwalker, D'Spayre, Chthon, Mephisto, Black heart, Dormammu, Clea, Nightmare and Pkzkrfmknna along with Firestar and Vance_Astrovik AKA Justice?
you know. as a queer person, bobby's sudden gayness made no since until i found out the only reason was to piss off ike purlmutter. LONG LIVE GAY ICEMAN!
Well if u remember chuck Austin’s X-men (I totally understand if you don’t) from around 2003-2004 it’s implied Bobby might be gay so I’m not sure if it was intentional but it wasn’t really out of nowhere. It definitely would of been worse if they turned any of the other OG X-men gay cause they’ve all had long running romances with important female characters. The only character I can think of Bobby having anything with was Polaris but I’m pretty sure modern writers have forgotten this.
Edit: actually Beast toyed with being gay in the Morrison run now that I think about it, but that didn’t last.
Makes sense now, Purlmutter was the head of the Creative Comity for the MCU that kept Keven Figie (sp?) in check up to End Game, so 90’s Sitcom gay stereotype Iceman fits in perfectly with the modern MCU that nobody cares about or watches
You can't just make characters gay after 60 years. Make new gay characters and write them to be equally as awesome.
edit your comment
@Abdullah Oladapo learn to accept other's opinions and also delete your comment
@@BC234M3 What? I just told em to they had a spelling mistake. What are you on about?
@Abdullah Oladapo my bad from my perspective, it looked like you were trying to push the LGBT concept on original designs.
@@BC234M3 I'm against that stuff
All good and fine. Now could someone explain how, 30 years after joining the X Men, he was the only one not old enough to drink at Scott's bachelor party?
Sweet
Could you do a video on Jack Munro/Nomad?
So this was a retcon origin. He actually had his powers almost from birth.
you should do the authority
🕶 That's Mr ICE MAN Too You
Beast
So, no Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends reference?
Everyone who knows about Bobby's homosexuality: Wasn't it just some sort of gag with the mutant Northstar?
This video: Explains everything and turns out Northstar was so unimportant it wasn't even a footnote!
i like iceman n pyro ,, not so much silver surfer and magneto
This isn’t his real origin
I love seeing people get mad that he’s gay. Bro he’s literally an X-Men one of the most socially charged teams in comics
So when are you going to do history of Zora_Vukovic Victorious since you did the history of Dr_Doom?
Iceman, Spider-man, and Human Torch were always like frat buddies always trying to get the girls. Dudes not gay.
So this “Cloud” character is a gender-fluid being of pure stardust? Bobby, my guy, repression or no, how do you turn that down? That’s like the diamond-studded platinum medal of datefreinds!
"don't kiss Infectia"...
"why not"...
THAT'S WHY!
His ice ramps/bridges still make no sense.
Which animated movie or TV Show do you think did a great job in portraying Iceman? What do you think he would be like if he appeared in the MCU? Which actor do you think should play him?
Best one was X-Men: Evolution's Bobby. He was just mischievous enough and cocky enough while also being a tertiary character. SMAHAF had Bobby often be the butt of everyone's jokes. And he was pretty stiff. "Wolverine & The X-Men" had almost the same problem. He was played more as the dope rather than genuine prankster. And, in the movies, he was way more responsible, made the counteract Pyro.
As for who should play him in the MCU, if he were still alive, I would 100% vote for Cameron Boyce! He had that Bobby Drake energy. So, without him.... it's a bit more difficult. I wouldn't want any of the "Stranger Things" kids because they're too big. I dunno maybe someone like Jake Short from "A.N.T. Farm." Though, his style is a bit more nervous and less flashy, but he could grow into the role. Possibly.
Iceman was never gay
In Fox's X-Men movies, he was dating both Rogue and Shadowcat
In the early 80's the cartoon Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends he dated women. In comics they didn't always focus on relationships instead focus on the stories. Smdh! Agenda pushing folks this why I can't stand comics because of this mess. Give me back comics when it wasn't so called " WOKE ".
@RAIKAGE KAMIKAZE what are you talking about 💯💯💯
@@raikagekamikaze pretty left leaning myself but I don’t like character pandering like that either. Changing up a race for separate content like movies and other universes is fine and even making him gay in those same other sources is fine. But making them different from who they originally were in the original stories feels like needless lazy pandering. However, I’m still open to whatever changes a story makes so long as the story is good or within valid reason. Try not to lean to hard into buzzwords like “woke” these days. It’s basically a blanket term recently.
yet his sexuality was never officially confirmed…
Angel
Id kick the mob ass with Iceman's powers
Shamrock (Molly Fitzgerald). 🍀
Who do you think is the best girl who Bobby dated before he accepted the fact that he was gay? Who was his first gay relationship with anyway, is he like Hulking and Wiccan? Can you do history of Hulking?
Can you do history of Ironheart, Amatsu-Mikaboshi, Arno_Stark Iron Man, Squirrel_Girl, Constrictor, Deathlok, Amadeus_Cho, the Griever, Pepper Potts AKA Rescue and the Agents of Atlas along with Crescent, Morgan_Le_Fey, White Fox and Luna Snow?
Can you do history of the Living_Brain, the Elementals, Cyclone, Hydro Man, Molten Man, the Spot, Sandman, Rom_the_Spaceknight, Stingray, Quasar, Starbrand, Nightmask, Ava Ayala the White Tiger, Crossfire, Living Laser, Century, Lore and Technovore?
16:44 bro think he Dr. Manhattan
13:10 - wait so was it hinted in the past that he was gay - I always thought that was a modern addition - that's pretty cool
Lol, "more accepting than in the time that they came from. . ." 2004 or so. :D
That’s the problem with sliding timescales, for both Marvel and DC, when it comes to things like these. Batwoman, Kathy Kane, was expelled from West Point because she was lesbian and refused to disclose who she was fraternizing with. She was created in 2006 with said rule being abolished later in 2011. That’s fine at the time but as time moves forward as well as the present day and relative past being pulled forward, it would be odd now when that bit backstory is shifted forward to the late 2010s. Same with another gay DC character, Metropolis Detective Maggie Sawyer. She was in her 30s when she was outed as gay in ‘87 with an angst-filled failed marriage and her daughter was given custody to her ex-husband. But time moved forward again and the timeline also shifted forward and in 2012, she references being out her entire life, making the backstory of her hiding in hetero marraige out of place. This causes hiccups in character backstories orginally tied to a certain aspect of society only for social change to happen later.
@@foldabotZ Yeah, although in their cases, they were gay pretty much from the start of their characters, so their story was constructed with that understanding the entire time. In Bobby's case, he wasn't converted gay until 2015, so everything prior to that was invented after that and projected backwards into prior events.
By overpowering him and retconning his character, Marvel ruined one of my favorite characters.
What was wrong with overpowering Iceman ?
@@comicbookking3446 I was introduced to Iceman through Spidey and his Amazing Friends, the original X-Men comics, Champions, and Defenders, where he could encase himself in icy armor, project ice blasts and small projectiles, and travel by making slides. In 1987, Simonson had Loki "unlock" his potential, then later, I think Emma Frost did something similar. Basically, Iceman went from a mutant with an exceptional ability to a near-cosmic level elemental. As a kid, I always liked Marvel characters, because they had more defined limits than DC characters. It made them more relatable. DC had Superman, who could move planets and such. The original X-Men, had similar abilities as him (flight, laser vision, strength, cold) divided among multiple teenagers, but none of them could take on a supervillain alone. They were vulnerable, "everymen" who had one special talent, which made their courage significant and interesting. I loved seeing them develop from students to proficient characters, until each one became god-like in some way.
Just saying it to say it, people expressing homophobia really looks like repressed homosexuality 🤭
Bobby was never gay originally,What is this BS?
@A C Nah I’m not with it.
@A C To be honest I’m not into gay characters.That’s how I feel about it.I have a problem with making a character gay who was never portrayed that way for several decades.
Sooooo he was always gay?
what timetime did the gay stuff start im sure thats all newly added
Never realized how many instances there were signs he was gay b4 he came out pretty awesome
The video took a dark turn about 4 minutes in man do i hate the retcon of early 2000s marvel.
I’ve reconciled with him being gay although he wasn’t. Rereading i don’t believe there is any evidence of that so how do I reconcile? Well Young Iceman is from an alternate reality and i think that some how changes things, overwrote who we knew. Current Iceman is the Bendis version
Gay king
Wait, did they make Iceman gay? 🤨. Why? 🤨
Years ago my man
Omg smh 🤦🏾♂️