Dr. Craig is the goat, plain and simple. I’m currently reading On Guard, and I’m reading through the section about the “fine tuning” argument. Why doesn’t everybody believe??
Agreed 100%, am looking forward to doing a re-read of On Guard soon. Whereas Dr. Craig is the goat of natural theology, you may wish to check out Gary Habermas as well, virtually unmatched in providing historical evidence of the resurrection of Jesus using his solid minimal facts approach.
True, the amount of work this man has done at a high quality and high level is astounding, he’s up there with Billy Graham and maybe only a couple others I could think of in my opinion.
@@Johnny-mz9ot Yes sir. Habermas has helped me with my faith. I plan on ordering the book he wrote with Michael Licona on the resurrection. I will say, it’s important to argue and have good reasoning to include the burial account as historical truth, along with the minimum facts.
"Why doesn’t everybody believe?" Real things don't require beLIEf, and if anyone is still fooled by this idiot, let's reiterate the point: The appearance of fine tuning is a college level core concept in science that teaches kids to guard against bias. It takes a moron creationist to misread and misrepresent the lesson to mean "magical things happened and that leads to my imaginary friend". It literally teaches you to guard against this type of bullshit.
What a great conversation! It's so great to see Dr. Craig having such a deep and friendly dialogue with members of the orthodox Jewish community. Ben and Benzi are impressive thinkers and have unique and important conversations with a wide range of Jewish and non-Jewish scholars on their podcast. We really recommend listening to them! And we love hearing Dr. Craig voice his support for Israel! Am Yisrael Chai!
It was my honor and privilege to speak with you and guest host alongside Ben (standing in for Benzi)! - Zev G. When I'm not guest hosting on Judaism Demystified, I'm hosting the Zee Learning Podcast. 🙂
Defending faith against science.. seems counterproductive. Have you tried basic critical thinking? Here's a simple challenge, was the computer you are looking at right now invented by someone wishing about it really hard, or groups of people developing the sciences required to make it happen? Try to think for a change.
This was a truly fascinating conversation. I always enjoy Judaism Demystified's conversations and have been a long time admirer of Dr. Craig's. Check them out at www.youtube.com/@judaismdemystified
I have formulated a new philosophical argument for the beginning of the universe which, if successful, shows that a beginning less past is just as impossible as a married bachelor. To sum it up as briefly as possible: 1) The past is the collection of ALL temporal moments that have occurred. 2) But, if the past were beginning less, then it would not be possible for ALL past moments to have occurred. 3) Therefore, the past cannot be beginning less.
@@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns I have never seen Craig or anyone else defend the argument i presented above. I think you are thinking of a different argument. Craig defends two philosophical arguments for the finitude of the past: 1) the impossibility of an actual infinite existing. 2) the impossibility of completing an infinite series of consecutive events. My argument is different from both of these.
@@jackplumbridge2704 Why couldn't "the collection of ALL temporal moments that occurred" be infinite? Your argument is not ruling this possibility out.
@@jackplumbridge2704 Well premise 2 certainly claims that not all past moments could have occurred if the past was beginningless, but it doesn't say why, hence the question I asked.
Dr Craig gives the example of beings without bodies who are only spirit of humans who's physical body has died and decayed away and also angels. Yet in the New Testament, Jesus met with Moses and Elijah and even the disciples accompanying Jesus were able to 'see' them. They saw humanoid figures with arms and legs and bodies and heads etc. So much so that they asked Jesus if they should make a shelter for them for their meeting and consultation with Jesus. In the Old Testament when Abraham visited Lot and his family prior to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, the people of those towns saw Angels who were the house guests of Lot. The people also saw beings with arms and legs and bodies and heads etc. So much so that they demanded Lot send them out so they could commit acts of unnatural lust with them. Not only that, but these angels sat and ate physical food with Lot. It's clear that God has prepared a 'spiritual body' for each of us that exists in the world of the afterlife and that when our physical body dies, it is like shedding an outer shell and we go for eternity to dwell in those spiritual bodies; be it in Heaven or Hell. You might say that our physical bodies will be resurrected in the last days. But when Jesus talked about those living or dead, he was talking about the spiritually dead 'Let the dead bury the dead'. A person can be spiritually dead yet still functioning just like a relationship can be dead yet still plodding along. The resurrection refers to our spiritual life, not or physical body being re-constituted. You may disagree with this, but just as you can interpret verses in the Bible to fit your view, there is clear indications in the Bible that those who's primary dwelling is in the afterlife have bodies. I will give a talk about this on my YT channel at some point.
Not in our since as in here on this plain or in another. Have you also seen the research about out body losing a few ounces upon death and could this be the spirits material weight.
In his Defenders class, Dr. Craig lists several reasons to reject the idea that the spirit is physical: www.reasonablefaith.org/podcasts/defenders-podcast-series-3/s3-doctrine-of-man/doctrine-of-man-part10. - RF Admin
Time is measured from the moment of creation and extended to the present moment tomorrow is unmeasured THE UNMEASURED FACT OF TOMORROW brings a question about positive proof of existence The age of God is NOT MEASURED AND IS UNMEASURABLE. The biblical scripture of Romans Chapter 1 verse 20 PUT FORTH A METHOD FOR FINDING THE POSITIVE PROOF OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
" THE UNMEASURED FACT OF TOMORROW brings a question about positive proof of existence" So you will get around to having SOMETHING to evidence.. tomorrow? Is that what you are saying? LOL
THE PROOF OF A BEGINNING OF THE WORLD LIES IN THE FACT OF MEASURABLE TIME because time is measured from the moment of creation. Before the moment of creation there was no now and then NO HERE AND THERE. THERE WAS NO OPEN SPACE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO SPACE existent before the moment of creation. TIME BEING MEASURED GIVE TESTIMONY THAT THERE WAS A BEGINNING OF THE WORLD BECAUSE TIME IS MEASURED FROM THE MOMENT OF CREATION AND EXTENDED TO THE PRESENT MOMENT TOMORROW IS NON-EXISTENT AND THEREFORE TOMORROW IS NOT MEASURED PROOF OF A BEGINNING OF THE WORLD LIES IN THE FACT OF MEASURABLE TIME The scientific proof of a beginning become the scientific proof of a CREATOR AND THE SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF A POWER from beyond space and time
It's a fairly simple extrapolation from the acceleration of the expansion of the universe to the boundary which marks its beginning. Admittedly, since God could have created or done other things prior to creating the universe, time itself could be older. But for the purposes of speaking with unbelievers (and since we have no indication otherwise), Dr. Craig just works with the plausible assumption that time began at the moment of creation. - RF Admin
@@ReasonableFaithOrg "It's a fairly simple extrapolation" Like most creationists, simple. What makes you think you know the nature of time when you are still hanging all hope on your imaginary friend being more than a vague concept? In short, let's pretend your imaginary friend is real. Do tell, if it is all powerful, than why would time require it to DO anything? Sounds like your fan fiction is predicated on rules it does not understand.
@@frosted1030 Time is a concomitant of change, kind of like how cause and effect go together. There is no effect without a cause. There is no change without time. So, God's changing anything, whether it be creating or thinking successive thoughts or performing a miracle, results in temporal succession. - RF Admin
@@ReasonableFaithOrg "Time is a concomitant of change, kind of like how cause and effect go together." If you understand ANYTHING at all about causality, you would not be using a first mover fallacy. "So, God's changing anything, whether it be creating or thinking successive thoughts or performing a miracle, results in temporal succession" LOL So you admit your imaginary friend REQUIRES an external force that it MUST OBEY. Is that right? Not all powerful. Next myth, let's demonstrate your imaginary friend to not be "all knowing" or "all good". And this one, we will make YOU decide which. Up for it or is this already too much of a burden?
@@frosted1030Probably growing weary of your questions that aren't really seeking truth, but seem designed to antagonize and annoy. But please comment on these observations. Six miracles atheists believe in... But there is no miracle worker 1. Existence from non-existence 2. Order comes from chaos 3. Life comes from non-life 4. The personal comes from the non-personal 5. Reason comes from non-reason 6. Morality comes from matter
Why are you listening to someone that lost their point ages ago? Craig has no degrees in ANY of the fields of science he misrepresents. Ever wonder why these creationists never get anywhere? It's because shouting into an echo chamber amplifies their lies and that is far easier than the work it takes to learn the science.
Dr. Craig is the goat, plain and simple. I’m currently reading On Guard, and I’m reading through the section about the “fine tuning” argument. Why doesn’t everybody believe??
Agreed 100%, am looking forward to doing a re-read of On Guard soon. Whereas Dr. Craig is the goat of natural theology, you may wish to check out Gary Habermas as well, virtually unmatched in providing historical evidence of the resurrection of Jesus using his solid minimal facts approach.
True, the amount of work this man has done at a high quality and high level is astounding, he’s up there with Billy Graham and maybe only a couple others I could think of in my opinion.
@@Johnny-mz9otOn Guard is phenomenal.
@@Johnny-mz9ot Yes sir. Habermas has helped me with my faith. I plan on ordering the book he wrote with Michael Licona on the resurrection. I will say, it’s important to argue and have good reasoning to include the burial account as historical truth, along with the minimum facts.
"Why doesn’t everybody believe?" Real things don't require beLIEf, and if anyone is still fooled by this idiot, let's reiterate the point:
The appearance of fine tuning is a college level core concept in science that teaches kids to guard against bias. It takes a moron creationist to misread and misrepresent the lesson to mean "magical things happened and that leads to my imaginary friend". It literally teaches you to guard against this type of bullshit.
What a great conversation! It's so great to see Dr. Craig having such a deep and friendly dialogue with members of the orthodox Jewish community. Ben and Benzi are impressive thinkers and have unique and important conversations with a wide range of Jewish and non-Jewish scholars on their podcast. We really recommend listening to them! And we love hearing Dr. Craig voice his support for Israel! Am Yisrael Chai!
It was my honor and privilege to speak with you and guest host alongside Ben (standing in for Benzi)! - Zev G. When I'm not guest hosting on Judaism Demystified, I'm hosting the Zee Learning Podcast. 🙂
Thank you for your faithfulness in defending the faith, Dr. Craig!
Defending faith against science.. seems counterproductive. Have you tried basic critical thinking? Here's a simple challenge, was the computer you are looking at right now invented by someone wishing about it really hard, or groups of people developing the sciences required to make it happen? Try to think for a change.
some salty people in the comments 😂
@@tea-he8ei "some salty people in the comments" Are you contributing anything at all? Anything? Nothing? Ok, shh now.
UA-cam has repeatedly deleted comments that do not violate terms of service.
This was a truly fascinating conversation. I always enjoy Judaism Demystified's conversations and have been a long time admirer of Dr. Craig's. Check them out at www.youtube.com/@judaismdemystified
I have formulated a new philosophical argument for the beginning of the universe which, if successful, shows that a beginning less past is just as impossible as a married bachelor.
To sum it up as briefly as possible:
1) The past is the collection of ALL temporal moments that have occurred.
2) But, if the past were beginning less, then it would not be possible for ALL past moments to have occurred.
3) Therefore, the past cannot be beginning less.
Craig has made basically the same argument, which was made by those before him as well, jfyi.
@@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns I have never seen Craig or anyone else defend the argument i presented above. I think you are thinking of a different argument.
Craig defends two philosophical arguments for the finitude of the past:
1) the impossibility of an actual infinite existing.
2) the impossibility of completing an infinite series of consecutive events.
My argument is different from both of these.
@@jackplumbridge2704 Why couldn't "the collection of ALL temporal moments that occurred" be infinite? Your argument is not ruling this possibility out.
@@labzor3107 but my argument does rule it out. Premise 2 explicitly rules it out.
@@jackplumbridge2704 Well premise 2 certainly claims that not all past moments could have occurred if the past was beginningless, but it doesn't say why, hence the question I asked.
There would be no beginning without the Beginner!
Dr Craig gives the example of beings without bodies who are only spirit of humans who's physical body has died and decayed away and also angels.
Yet in the New Testament, Jesus met with Moses and Elijah and even the disciples accompanying Jesus were able to 'see' them. They saw humanoid figures with arms and legs and bodies and heads etc. So much so that they asked Jesus if they should make a shelter for them for their meeting and consultation with Jesus.
In the Old Testament when Abraham visited Lot and his family prior to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, the people of those towns saw Angels who were the house guests of Lot. The people also saw beings with arms and legs and bodies and heads etc. So much so that they demanded Lot send them out so they could commit acts of unnatural lust with them.
Not only that, but these angels sat and ate physical food with Lot.
It's clear that God has prepared a 'spiritual body' for each of us that exists in the world of the afterlife and that when our physical body dies, it is like shedding an outer shell and we go for eternity to dwell in those spiritual bodies; be it in Heaven or Hell.
You might say that our physical bodies will be resurrected in the last days. But when Jesus talked about those living or dead, he was talking about the spiritually dead 'Let the dead bury the dead'. A person can be spiritually dead yet still functioning just like a relationship can be dead yet still plodding along.
The resurrection refers to our spiritual life, not or physical body being re-constituted.
You may disagree with this, but just as you can interpret verses in the Bible to fit your view, there is clear indications in the Bible that those who's primary dwelling is in the afterlife have bodies.
I will give a talk about this on my YT channel at some point.
I am curious Dr. Craig if you have looked into if it's possible for a spirit to be physical.
Not in our since as in here on this plain or in another. Have you also seen the research about out body losing a few ounces upon death and could this be the spirits material weight.
In his Defenders class, Dr. Craig lists several reasons to reject the idea that the spirit is physical: www.reasonablefaith.org/podcasts/defenders-podcast-series-3/s3-doctrine-of-man/doctrine-of-man-part10. - RF Admin
What about 2 Peter 3:5-6?
Time is measured from the moment of creation and extended to the present moment tomorrow is unmeasured THE UNMEASURED FACT OF TOMORROW brings a question about positive proof of existence
The age of God is NOT MEASURED AND IS UNMEASURABLE. The biblical scripture of Romans
Chapter 1 verse 20 PUT FORTH A METHOD FOR
FINDING THE POSITIVE PROOF OF THE EXISTENCE
OF GOD
" THE UNMEASURED FACT OF TOMORROW brings a question about positive proof of existence" So you will get around to having SOMETHING to evidence.. tomorrow? Is that what you are saying? LOL
THE PROOF OF A BEGINNING OF THE WORLD LIES IN THE FACT OF MEASURABLE TIME because time is measured from the moment of creation. Before the moment of creation there was no now and then NO HERE AND THERE. THERE WAS NO OPEN SPACE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO SPACE existent before the moment of creation. TIME BEING MEASURED GIVE TESTIMONY THAT THERE WAS A BEGINNING OF THE WORLD BECAUSE TIME IS MEASURED FROM THE MOMENT OF CREATION AND EXTENDED TO THE PRESENT MOMENT
TOMORROW IS NON-EXISTENT AND THEREFORE TOMORROW IS NOT MEASURED
PROOF OF A BEGINNING OF THE WORLD LIES IN THE FACT OF MEASURABLE TIME
The scientific proof of a beginning become the scientific proof of a CREATOR AND THE SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF A POWER from beyond space and time
How did Reasonable faith calculate that "time began 10^20 seconds ago"?
It's a fairly simple extrapolation from the acceleration of the expansion of the universe to the boundary which marks its beginning. Admittedly, since God could have created or done other things prior to creating the universe, time itself could be older. But for the purposes of speaking with unbelievers (and since we have no indication otherwise), Dr. Craig just works with the plausible assumption that time began at the moment of creation. - RF Admin
@@ReasonableFaithOrg "It's a fairly simple extrapolation" Like most creationists, simple. What makes you think you know the nature of time when you are still hanging all hope on your imaginary friend being more than a vague concept? In short, let's pretend your imaginary friend is real. Do tell, if it is all powerful, than why would time require it to DO anything? Sounds like your fan fiction is predicated on rules it does not understand.
@@frosted1030 Time is a concomitant of change, kind of like how cause and effect go together. There is no effect without a cause. There is no change without time. So, God's changing anything, whether it be creating or thinking successive thoughts or performing a miracle, results in temporal succession. - RF Admin
@@ReasonableFaithOrg "Time is a concomitant of change, kind of like how cause and effect go together." If you understand ANYTHING at all about causality, you would not be using a first mover fallacy.
"So, God's changing anything, whether it be creating or thinking successive thoughts or performing a miracle, results in temporal succession" LOL So you admit your imaginary friend REQUIRES an external force that it MUST OBEY. Is that right? Not all powerful. Next myth, let's demonstrate your imaginary friend to not be "all knowing" or "all good". And this one, we will make YOU decide which. Up for it or is this already too much of a burden?
@@frosted1030Probably growing weary of your questions that aren't really seeking truth, but seem designed to antagonize and annoy. But please comment on these observations.
Six miracles atheists believe in... But there is no miracle worker
1. Existence from non-existence
2. Order comes from chaos
3. Life comes from non-life
4. The personal comes from the non-personal
5. Reason comes from non-reason
6. Morality comes from matter
Why are you listening to someone that lost their point ages ago? Craig has no degrees in ANY of the fields of science he misrepresents. Ever wonder why these creationists never get anywhere? It's because shouting into an echo chamber amplifies their lies and that is far easier than the work it takes to learn the science.