Atheists Handbook to the Old Testament
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- I'm talking with by archaeologist, Joshua Bowen with a PhD in Assyriology from Johns Hopkins. He is promoting his up-coming book, The Atheist's Handbook to the Old Testament, Volume One.
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A primitive man went out in a thunderstorm to challenge God. He got hit by a lightning bolt and yelled "YOWEE!" Vowels weren't invented yet so they spelled it YHWH. ~ Mel Brooks
ah, yes, the age old: What's the difference between a Christian and an Atheist? ... The Atheist has _actually_ read the Bible.
@Theseustoo Astyages Yes, Stalin and Mao certainly did. 😐
@@stefanlaskowski6660 Neither was an "Atheist." Stalin was raised in Russian Orthodoxy. Mao, a budist/confucianist.
Perhaps a bit of searching before you make a claim.
And atheists do care about the truth. As seen here in this video.
Apologetics can overcome many atheistic arguments from science , history , philosophy and other branches of knowledge....is not as simple as many think...
How do you explain natural nanotechnology in all our cells without using imagination and Just so stories...
@@ivanivonovich9863 you denied communism is an atheistic regime because Stalin was raised Orthodox.??
Mmmm.....think better....many actual atheists were raised christians....so they can not be counted as atheists....faulty logic..
@@ivanivonovich9863 nope
..many like to change history to agree with naturalism and atheism...history of atheism implica denialism of hard empirical data and hiding contrary discoveries against atheism...Hitchens never hide fine tuning of the Universe...he said it was the best argument against atheism.....
Christians, will ask a non believer, You should read the bible. I would say - I have. This is why I believe that the Atheist argument is the most accurate.
"JUST READ THE BIBLE!", as mentioned in the vid, "Why do you think I'm an atheist?" "Buh, buh, bu..., millions have read it and have been influenced by it." "Yah, it influenced me too."
You should debate these people. I'd like to hear your opinion.
Christians tell me regularly, "Just ignore the old testament." I figure they haven't read it, so they can't defend it, or they know it doesn't support their version of a loving god. I bring up they should ignore the ten commandments, they get offended.
At a church I often attend (friends go and when they nicely ask or if they are having a hard time I'll go to support them) the pastor there has a "read the Bible in a year and you get a free dinner." Thing with him. I (along with some friends) read the whole thing together. What I got out of it was........very different to say the least
What are you talking about
@@klopcodez the ten commandments are given to Moses by God ie Old Testament. If they want to ignore O.T, then the commandments are out too.
@@shosty575 Seems straight-forward enough, who would have a problem underst ...., oh, never mind.
Ignore the OT, except that verse in Leviticus that they think says gays are evil. That one they like a whole lot
Really enjoyed this one which was thought-provoking and filled in a lot of gaps for me about some of the atrocities in the Old Testament that I was previously only superficially aware of. Josh was a really interesting guest so I'll forgive him for dissing one of my favourite TV show heroes, Monk! Monk was always proved right because at the end of each show he had found the evidence that demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt how the murderer committed the crime which is the polar opposite of how evangelicals think.
I love watching Monk, too. Great series.💯
Josh and Megan are great. And, that’s my painting behind him. :)
Cool painting. Wish I could see it all.
@@learningisfun2108 it’s on their videos a lot. Digital Hammurabi. :)
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♥️that painting Christina. Where can I see more of your work? Ty
@@cocobee1313 On my youtube under this account. :). I’m also Christine Rietsch on Facebook. Not really doc dropping myself. I sign all my paintings even on youtube with my real name. :)
And thank you so much!!
Great episode, Aron!
Love dr. Josh work can’t wait to read the new book.
Great to have a preview of the book - and to hear this talk! Looking forward to the full book, it will be great fun to read!
Thanks! Can't wait to hear about it, I've been looking for a few new books
Be sure to post an update when the book actually comes out. I downloaded the first chapter from digitalhammurabi.com already.
We are not many years away from creationists being certified as insane.
How lovely is that .
Geez, all I said was "This piece of fish is good enough for Jehovah."
"Stop it! Nobody throw anything until i blow my whistle! Not even I he says Yehova."
I think it was Halibut.
@@Virtualblueart You forgot to say "...and I want to make this perfectly clear..."
Crowd: He said it! He said it again!
Official: You're only making this worse for yourself you know.
Mathias: Worse? How could it possibly be worse? [dancing and kicking up sand] JEHOVAH! JEHOVAH! JEHOVAH!
@@skepticusmaximus184 Yep, you're right! It's been a long time since I've seen the film.
The Friendly Atheist has been reading from Genesis. Most of it I'd never heard before... you don't suppose the teachers at the Christian School... skipped a lot of the verses... or ignored the inconvenient ones? Like Lot's daughters... Pharaoh with an army of chariots pulled by horses when all the livestock in Egypt had died ...
Nah... couldn't be that... could it?
I asked the headmaster of my high school (who was also the youth pastor) where Cain’s wife came from. Not as a gotcha question; i had noticed it myself and wanted to know. I was told that despite apparent contradictions like that, the Bible is definitely literally true and to have more faith.
I love this kind of content.
Thanks again for your interview
Funny how the apologists final argument is "because the bible's says so". Yet they don't know what the bible says. They think believing in it and knowing its contents are the same thing.
@@raysalmon6566 "Places known only from scripture". I don't believe that's true. Ancient Greek historian Herodotus knew about Babylon and historians since, have believed it exists. What 19th century archaeologists did was find the actual location. You can write a work of fiction and mention real places. It's still fiction. Nineveh is another case: Modern Nineveh still exists, and the ancient city ruins are located right across the river Tigris. So it makes no sense to say we only know of it from scripture. The Western world has known about Nineveh from non biblical sources since the middle ages at the latest. I don't know what WFA is, but I'm quite skeptical of their assertions.
Digital Hammurabi. I like that, really!
I can’t wait for this book to come out.
Loved this interview and discussion!
“Cake, have, eat...” in the timeless words of Boris Johnson.
Dr. Josh is so very entertaining.
49:40 I was really looking forward to seeing that backpack
As soon as I finish Life Driven Purpose: How an Atheist Finds meaning by Dan Barker I will definitely read Dr. Josh’s books next
thanks, look forward to reading this book.
I love that giraffe behind Dr. Josh! ...or camel.
What an erudite guy, I feel 'magically enhanced'.
Lillith sounds a much better partner than Eve. Does anyone know if she's still single?
I have definitely seen her on Bumble. She never responded to me, though.
I'll stay away from that one, she refused to bend over for Adam and also later became a flying demon.
@@honorquest Adam asked her wrong.
The last time I saw her was in a movie called "Bordello of Blood". Pretty sure she is single and playing the field...
@@TheJMPD Well if you see her again, let her know I'd be interested in a casual coffee and a chat. Find out if there was any spark. Thanks.
A belief is something we think is true. If we know something is true we don't need to believe it.
I need to get this Book. BAD.
I know some of these arguments but hearing them and MORE, is a WIN.
And beating these arguments is a Fun thing I love to do online.
Am a modicum disappointed that I can not purchase Dr. Bowen's most recent production yet, so am instead purchasing Sumerian for beginners to share with my favorite family members. I found the link in the description. Btw, I have read my copy of Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism two and a half times now. The 1/2 is the parts I shared with others...who are now much more knowledgeable.
*For some BS reason my phone is preventing me from continuing past the add to cart phase for my book purchase. Since I currently have no other option of my own, I will sponge a relative's computer tomorry. I really want this book. This is a bit of a hassle. Has this occurred to others? Perhaps less motivated individuals might be dissuaded and give up trying to purchase your book and thus reduce the apt rewards you have earned for your most impressive intellectual accomplishments. Daft, though I may be, I am really looking forward to your books.
**Also, Aron, l want a signed copy of your book. I've been a fan for like half a decade and was a patron of yours for a couple years before I F'd up. I'm back on track now though. Can I buy an autographed from you? LMK. Thanks much!
What a cool t-shirt Aronra!
Thanks for sharing. I’m getting his book.
Great questions Aron.
“In Larry Gonick's The Cartoon History of the Universe, the narrator suggests that YHWH might instead be pronounced "Yahoo Wahoo." The narrator is then shown being struck by lightning.”
Mario is showing us the true way!
I love reading Gonick’s cartoon histories. Funny and accurate! The most entertaining way to learn history, next to “Oversimplified”. Have you read the cartoon history of the US?
Well the word Jew itself is clearly derived from YHWH. In modern Hebrew it's pronounced "Yehudi" but in Arabic it's "Yahudi" pronounced "Yahoodee". So "Yahoowah" could indeed be a valid pronunciation...
11:19 This is so true, especially when it comes to English pronunciation of foreign names. Like the actual Dutch pronunciation of the Dutch post-impressionist painter who became influential only after his death. His name was never "van go," like a party vehicle that goes. But the actual name is so difficult for English speakers to pronounce (or more accurately, they're unaware of how the name is actually pronounced) that it has gotten completely mangled. Some local musicians I know called themselves "Go van go" even though the band was named Go van Gogh.
Between them Dr Josh and Aron showed just how much cognitive dissonance god believers and apologists suffer with, it's really sad people will try to justify the evil things their none existent god supposedly has done.
What a great talk!
Great stuff man! Big fan.
According to Paul Achtemeier, the term “Ishmaelite” was synonymous with the term “Midianites. Achtemeier, Paul J., Harper’s Bible Dictionary, San Francisco: Harper and Row, 1985.
Absolutely BRILLIANT Y'all!! XO
I always found it interesting that 'Baal " is the same word for husband in hebrew. I imagine this is coincidence not aetiology, but, still. Interesting.
Liked for the backpack visit, and the educational value!
Thanks for this!
I stumped my 4th grade teacher on religion when I was young. I asked her how she could be a science teacher, teaching us all about the dinosaurs that lived millions of years ago and her religion says everything was created 6,000 years ago by a god. Pin drop, extended time, and then she said god has a different time clock than we do. I knew at that time it was the same as the tooth fairy. I actually spent time trying to believe because I thought somehow, some way, something must be wrong with me. Nope, I am fine. You must throw away everything you learn, from English, Math, Science, History, sight, hearing, etc,etc, to have faith. Religion is a fear based money maker because god broke his magic wand and can no longer print money.
Definitely buying that.
When Matt says that you don't claim what the bible says. You just go for the questions.
You don't ask "you actually believe that?". You ask "why you believe it?".
I had a crisis of faith and sought out answers in the Bible. I sat down and read the Bible from the beginning. By the time I got to Leviticus, I was no longer a Christian
I had a JW tell me that the virgin girls were kept because they would not have any VD...
But that really would only ever matter if the barbarians were going to encounter them sexually. Didn't they already have enough wives? Were they themselves completely free of VD? Surely not, so why should some more conquered people even matter? Doesn't make any sense.
I was waiting on the Joshs kid or Aron’s dog to make an appearance lol
I live in israel and I'm an atheist
Yea-Hou-Vaa
I remember in school you was forbitten to say this in bible class (tanach) , and instead you say each time you see (יהוה) , You say Aa-Doe-Naay (witch means My lord , just like they say in the video).
Essentially forcing you to admit that god is your lord and you believe in it.
Great Video :)
I thought that was Richard Spencer in the thumbnail for a sec
Good stuff!
Dangg, Dr Josh is handsome
The Jealousy Ordeal....Numbers 5:11-31. This is how those who wrote the Torah envisioned the types of laws and practices of the people who were ancient at the time they were writing. They probably needed a host of heroic, yet flawed, characters who strive yet fall just shy, in most cases, of true sainthood but become useful idiots in God's plan for his chosen folks.
Cool origin story, bro
Did you find 5 sheckles at the end? Lol
This is exactly why I pronounce it Ba'al and Cana'an.
I'm a big fan of Cana'an O'Brien. Steph'en Colb'ert too.
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Joshua "that's not my area of expertise" Bowen.
You seem to have a few nutters in the comment section.
I love how Arons response to being told he was wrong about something is: “So I was right!”
Stop referring to Yisrael, Syria, Ashshur (Assyria), etc. as the "Near East." Anything East of them could be viewed as "Near East." However, for people in the far West (Americans, Canadians, etc.), those countries are in the "Middle East."
"Digital Hammurabi"...so..."Learn To Code"? BWAHAHAHAHA!
I know the bible says that no scripture is up for interpretation. Yet we have countless apologists, priests, preachers and bible thumpers interpreting it non stop. So what are we supposed to make of that? 2 Peter 1:20 is pretty clear.. "knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation..." Or is that being misinterpreted? Would an omni-everything being not communicate better then this? Don't shoot the messenger this is a direct bible quote.
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Sorry meant Moses, just realised I'd written Abraham
Thank you two for great books on teaching us how to debate the fundamentalist apologists with their own myth book. I have Aron Ra's book Foundation Falsehoods of Creationism. I have Josh Bowen books Learn to Red Sumerian: An Introduction for complete Beginners. The Atheists Handbook to the Old Testament: Volume 1. Leon Festinger, Henery W Riecken, and Stanley Schachter When Prophecy Fais. Jason X Bible Problems: Contradictions, Factual Errors, and Evil Moral Teachings in the Bible. Steve Ebling, Julia Bristow Holy Bible-Best God Damned Version-The Book of Moses: For Atheists. These a few books that I have been studying to help me debate these fundamentalists but they are so deadlocked in their beliefs to the point of lying. We had these creationists interrupt our Geology club meeting in college and had to get them to leave and lock the door. We went to one of their films by Ken Ham and debated them after the film. They had us black listed to any of their future film events. Yet we had a hard time getting them to leave us alone. Yes, we get bullied but we bullied them right back. They have the political clout due to their rich parents giving huge sums to the college.
I'd like to read the Bible from front to back but I'm an atheist and I don't have the religious upbringing to really know what is significant to christians. Any sources you'd recommend to use while reading to give historical & theological context? Would the Atheists Handbook be helpful for that or would I just be confused?
@@steph7614 You need to study real history. The Church had its beginning in Rome. Constantine made it the dominant Roman religion. Yes, the Atheists handbook will help. But nothing is better than real history. Jospeh Cambell is a good start with the Power of Myth.
I still want to collab with You n a video
The old Testament would be hilarious if there weren't grown up adults who think it's worth basing their lives on.
Maybe in the U.S. I mean, religion is everywhere there. In Europe, you don't need to read the bible to become an atheist. You are born an atheist (not believing in any god), and then you have a fair chance to have 0 religious adults in your early life, and then you remain an atheist. Reading the bible is still entertaining, though. Mythology is fun
History is written by the winner.
I'ma an eye witness
Moses story eg birth etc is a reworking of Ishtar egyptian goddess myth who adopted baby in basket. Mayb osiris.
11:12 So that name really should be pronounced A-A-ron.
Dr Josh have to change his name. Only little josh can keep this name.
Bullseye كافر sign if you ask me.
Does it come in navy blue?
Always taught in Church Mosas was a good guy. Funny how in church they constantly skipped Moses's butchery and pedophilia, murder.
Happy to be an athiest now. It's the more moral choice.
I been a atheist all my life even as a child I knew that all religions were bat shit crazy. I appreciate people like Aron Ra and Dr.Josh. who can intelligently debate apologist.
Try Taoism or Buddhism ...
I became an atheist because I finally sat down and read the Bible.
Not the outcome my mother expected.
💙
Stop this nonsense, Evolutionist.
The more I read the Bible and study it in the original biblical Hebrew the more my Christian faith grows exponentially.
It took seeing the immorality of religious people in Jerusalem to convince me to be an antheist. Haredim would not let a non-religious lady on the bus with her walker. I am a care giver for the elderly. That was the day the music died for me. The miracle we need is morality. I now tell people that I have accepted Nietzsche as my personal savior and he told me god is dead, lol.
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"Lilith knew gods true name and so she could fly"
Gosh that kind of sounds like magic...
Lilith is like River Song, the only one who knows the Doctor’s name.
So god's name is red bull.
@@alanhilder1883 *Dread Bull...*
And THEN, they must kill all the witches.
Sounds like some one who should not be aloud with in 200 kilometers of children or educational institutes.
Dr. Josh is cute. Aron is cute, too, for a Klingon !
Qa'pla!
Lmao omg your right he is a Klingon
When I was a Christian believer, I thought AronRa looked like an evil wizard. Since I quit the cult faith and listened to AronRa more, he has become a badass rock star with the science and the honesty.
Agreed! He can read poetry to me while I throw heavy objects at him, anytime....
Says he looks like a satanic Disney villain.😁
The religious stories and how they got here is fascinating even if they are not real.
Well when you don't even know how weather happens you can come up with some pretty good stories about it being caused by angry bloodthirsty gods and demons. Keep the "sheep" in line and sacrifice if needed.
Yeah, it's extremely fascinating to realize how much we still are in our infancy. Especially with all our residential trolls who can't handle not being special lurking about...
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2 face, you're a troll. Get lost.
Fascinating like observing an idiot.
Yeah I like to read the "holy books" the same way I read greek or roman mythology; more from an anthropological view than a religious view
Aron Ra and Dr Josh Bowen! Together in the same upload! My life is so good...
Mike winger Owned aronra.
They have another excellent, older upload about unfulfilled prophecies as well.
@@adriannalockhart9639 Thanks! I look for that, sounds good.
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Aaawww.... Another triggered amgury fanboi...
@@adriannalockhart9639 thank you. I'm def going to check that one out also
Great show guys! Dr Josh, you seemed very comfortable in this discussion. I could listen to the two of you talk all day-so knowledgeable and relatable-I can’t wait to read your book.
You get the best guests, adding your book to my list dr. Josh (if only because we share the name and I don't have a book written by a josh😂)
Dr Josh and Aaron Ra, great combo.
Dr. Josh is evidence for why religious parents fear college and higher learning. When you learn how something actually works you don't need to believe in magic.
Yes!
Its because higher level education is more like endoctrination than education.
Q: Why was Moses the most wicked man in the bible? A: Because he broke the Ten Commandments all at once.
How? I want to hear your explanation.
@@god_is_gay_for_satan the story goes that after God gave Moses the law, Moses carved it into tablets of stone. He came down from the mountain to find everyone else had made their own God to worship in the meantime. Moses was so angry that he smashed the tablets on which he had carved God's law.
So Moses "broke" all the commandments at once. 😉
@@galacticbob1 HAHAHAHA. I kinda love that. Thats awesome.
@@god_is_gay_for_satan it's pretty wholesome, ngl 😆
Right up there with: "Why didn't Noah go fishing while on the ark?"
"He only had two worms."
"How does Moses make his coffee?"
"Hebrews it."
How did Jesus really walk on water? It was a frozen lake!
I love Aron Ra so much and all he does... I understand most of what he talks about but I confess that... I'm still not sure if I'm a puppy or a kitten... Lol
Whichever you desire.
Then be a pupten otr a kippy! Best of both worlds.
Aran Ra gets angry during debates, and he yells at people. And it's great.....that's his style.
I'm gettin' puppy vibes from u mate!
@@adamgardiner5869 lol now you sound like my mother!
It's funny listening to the first question.
I was raised CofE then a Jehovah's witness, one of my first 'doubts' was because they were so pedantic over taking the bible literally (6 days was *six days* etc) and teaching us it was of utmost importance to speak to/say gods Name.
And yet they all admitted that 'Jehovah' was the best *guestimate* of the tetragrammaton YHWH, no-one really knows how to pronounce it but that's okay. THE most important thing was to say gods name and yet it's okay to guess it! Hmm.
Then I started taking historical geography - let's talk about 6000yr old Earth and the flood shall we. 😉
Interesting video, thanks.
Its interesting to follow peoples different paths to doubt. My favourite counter apologetic is that nobody in their right mind can choose to believe something... anything. Whereas right in the heart of Christian doctrine, you are given the obvious expectation to treat your adopted belief as personal choice, and one that is predicated on the weight of eternal suffering or reward of eternal joy.
Now I'm no psychologist or detective, but that's emotional blackmail and bribery to except what would nominally be a factual claim on an entirely emotional basis. I call it the 'moral imperative'. Didn't that ever give you pause to question your dogma/doctrine; the sheer fact that it was sold as a personal choice and that beliefs just don't work that way?
To me nothing ever happens to be true just because you want it to, or that you're being threatened or bribed into believing it. How could such antics ever be convincing to a rational and reasoning mind? Yet that's the opening gambit of the Christian doctrine. Didn't that ever strike you as suspicious?
@@skepticusmaximus184 I love how you phrased this. While I cannot speak for anyone else, for me the "choice" aspect seemed perfectly "normal" to my child self, and only recognized as a problem well after I realized I was atheist. I had a very abusive mother who gaslighted a lot and a vivid imagination that was my primary escape; I could "believe" a better safer happier life, well aware of what I was doing and it worked. Considering how abusive some denominations can be (I know adults still terrified of demons and Hell) maybe some Christian children do something similar unaware and grow up feeling that's normal, never actually realizing (or even thinking about) what they actually *believe*. Like being indoctrinated to believe hateful abusive behavior is loving and vice versa. As you said, it's right in the heart of the teaching; indoctrinated early enough deeply enough one might never become aware of one's own emotions and knowledge. Of course, I'm not a professional either.
@@kathryngeeslin9509 Sorry to hear of your abusive background Kathryn. I don't think you particularly need to be a professional anything. The moral imperative seems to speak for itself. Interesting that you didn't recognise the bait and switch, until deconverted as an adult. I suspect many as children and adults alike, are ensnared in the delusion for want of basic reasoning skills. Well... 'want' isn’t quite the right word, since many avoid reasoning precisely for fear of its rational conclusions. The emotional motive can be seen overpowering the rational one. Glad you made it to the other side. 😉
@@skepticusmaximus184 Thank you. It was a long time ago. I walked out on the whole family in 1974, on her in 68-69. Thought I rooted out out all the old stuff, but once every few years I'll catch myself in some thought from back when. I really do consider fundamentalist religious training in young children as bad as anything I went through.
@@kathryngeeslin9509 you're very brave Kathryn and I wish you all the best. 😘
Aaaaaand I am adding Dr. Josh’s book to my list.
Me too!
As best I could tell his newest publication is not available yet. So, as an interim satisfier I just tried to buy Sumerian for Beginners but was not able to proceed beyond the "add to cart" phase. Were you able to conclude a purchase? I only ask because your comment is first and foremost. Thanks much for your consideration, as I really want these books.
@@jjphank care to elaborate?
@@jjphank
The guy with more than a decade of dedicated academic work in Assyriology is a hack...about middle-eastern history.
You really need to learn the difference between “I don’t agree with what he is saying” and “He doesn’t know what he’s talking about”. Because unless you want to spend a decade amassing the research and experience to academically rebut anything he has to say, then you’re just a layman saying “Nuh-uh”.
@@jjphank
You should really check these things _before_ you make fool of yourself by touting untrue stories.
But you keep -lying- doing it just the same.
*_Why would an all-powerful creator decide to plant his carefully crafted species on islands and continents in exactly the appropriate pattern to suggest, irresistibly, that they had evolved and dispersed from the site of their evolution?_*
*Richard Dawkins*
Really enjoy Dr. Josh. As an EX-Jehovah’s Witness, it was really nice to hear him talk about the Tetragrammaton and YHWH, as this one aspect of the JW theology that they claim is unique to them and is evidence that they’re backed by God.
Looking forward to buying his book.
great to see other Ex Jdubs in these parts
@N RJ
Or, of course, atheists aren't weird and can speak properly - they just don't want to talk to you.
@N RJ sir this is wendys
This was an EXCELLENT episode gentlemen....thanks so much for the info/ammunition and I most definitely will be adding Dr Bowen to my Amazon list.
What do you mean, Moses didn't write the Pentateuch? It includes his own death and even an account of his burial site. Who would know more about it than Moses himself? Gawd.
The story of Lilith and the serpent goes even further, and carries over into an unrecognized aspect of western society today. I definitely think that image of Saint George slaying the dragon is symbolic of patriarchy subjugating Lilith - or the educated woman.
I've seen a couple videos with Dr. Josh. Smart dude. 👍
Is it just me or does Utube go out of their way to plague Atheist Channels with Christian commercial s? Love your channel anyway ;)
I have YT Premium. NO commercials ever.
...welcome to how marketing/advertisement works...
I click on them, if they're going to annoy me, I might as well charge them a click fee.
Interesting talk Aron and Josh, especially imo about the human sacrifice of the early Hebrews. My thanks to both of you.
I always found the rule "Do not offer your children to Moloch" so oddly specific. Like is it allowed to offer a sheep to Moloch or a child to Ba'al?
Don’t give your kids to Moloch. He prefers a gift card so he can pick them out for himself
Your overlooked reply is extremely funny.
The correct response to the question “do you know the context” is “why don’t you tell me the context that makes Genocide is ok.”