Just one 'small' correction - this is NOT the first player to introduce 2 layers of playing on a single deck. Some 10 - 15 years ago (yes, that long) DENON DJ's high-end tabletop cd player was called DN-S5000 and was able to play 2 tracks from one disc simultaniously. Back then they called it 'alpha mode'.
I think a great feature would be, during Layer Mode if it could show both waveforms playing on the same screen at the same time. Also I just read that you can bring in your rekordbox collection on a USB stick and these will be able to use it. GOOD GOD how awesome is that!!!
Agree. I still have it, and it is still working......the alpha track is still amazing and still works.....at least one of the two CD player sides is working. Denon has always been way ahead of Pioneer, it just never took off in the pro scene. I also had one of the first cdj pioneer players which I loved. Very basic, no frills, but a superior sound over the Denon back in 2001 or 2002. But Denon brought in all of the special features like the cool effects, alpha track for two tracks per deck, sampling, hot cues, loops......in the early 2000's it was unbelievable that I could do that with cd's......now it is common place.
Chris Dugan I agree...Phil says a few times when you come up to these in a club you just plug your usb in and away you go....well that's if the club has these to start with. They are definitely rivals to Pioneer cdj's though.
This is true... HOWEVER, I gotta buddy starting a night club in my area here and I've convinced him entirely that he should just buy these. He was about to drop ~10gs on 5 xdj-2000s whenever those got announced (4 for use and 1 as a backup) but after I told him that the sc5000s work as two independent decks he was sold. now he's only got to buy 3 instead of the 5 (1 for backup 2 for use) which cuts ~5gs out of the equation that he can now spend on a nicer sound system.
i love the fact that DENON has brought the life of the original 5000 into this new machine with the dual players for each deck and the feeling is ohhhhhhhhhhh so turntable real. welcome back Denons I can now put down my original 5000.
This is an extraordinary peace of equipment. Very impressive, indeed! Always liked Denon, and used to play on DN-S 5000, DN-S3500 and DN-S3700, as well as on an old DJ DN-2500F, which had, if I recall, a function called Voice Reducer, which helped while mixing with removing vocal frequencies for easier switch between full vocal tracks when doing the transition. If I was still in the business, I would get this set-up without thinking, because it seems flawless. The only issue I would worry about is the touch-screen reliability, because we are all aware of issues those could have, and bugs that could occur in the software giving us lots of bugs and screen being unresponsive. Having said that, it still is an amazing peace of tech, and I am so happy someone other then Pioneer stepped into the big league, and I hope they get all the credits they deserve with this units! Oh, and FYI, ability to play 2 tracks on two separate channels has been implemented a loooong, loooong time ago, it was called Alpha Track, and was implemented in DN-S5000. One player could play, manipulate, and mix 2 tracks on 2 separate channels, and you could show up on a gig with only one player. :) Nice video and presentation, thumbs up. Keep up the good work! Greetings from Serbia!
These r pretty cool. Denon needs to make a version of these with the spinning platter for those of us who have been spinning for over 30 yrs. Or maybe us old school guys just need to stick to what we already have.
The Denon DN-D9000 and DN-S5000 was the first denon products to offer playing two of the same or different tracks from the same unit. As a matter of fact the DN-D9000 which I still own and the DN-S5000 achieve this feature using CDs. The Denon HD2500 with the built in 40 gig hard drive, which I also own, was the first media player from denon to offer the layer feature that on the SC5000. Denon always was the first on many features, Pioneer is like Apple. Once consumer get brainwash a product is standard in the tech world. Another brand is hard to compete. You will never get this many feature the SC5000 offer from pioneer gear without buying 2-3 revision of the same model.
I'm Sorry, I mean. The DN-D9000 and the DN-S5000 can play two tracks from the same cd at the same time. The D9000 dual cd deck had 4 set of rca outputs. The S5000 single cd deck had 2 of rca outputs.
I know this video is a little old but I keep hearing on these videos that the Pioneers do not have beat jump. The Pioneer Nexus 2's do have beat jump. Its controlled on the touch screen.
The Denon dn hs5500 that I used to have also had 2 decks in one. That was all the way back in 2008. The 2 decks isn't a brand new feature, denon has been killing it with features for years. I never met anybody else that used those players, which is sad because they were wayyyyy ahead of their time.
DJPharaohTV yes in Brazil my country some djs adopted those (and still use it) exactly because of the dual deck feature. Any dj gear is extremely expensive in Brazil and it is being a way to rock parties without selling an arm.
Thanks for sharing because I still use my Denon 5500's. They wok great and they were definitely before their time. When I play in clubs I just take one and it works great. Thanks Pharaoh for the great info.
They have since fixed the inability to set cue and hot cues until the track is analyzed. Very good news. Between the compressor/limiter, the low-pass filtering, and the heavy processing even when key lock is off and/or pitch is at zero, right now the SC5000 with a lossless 24bit/96khz file sounds arguably no better than a Pioneer playing a 320bps MP3 sourced from a 16bit/32khz lossless audio file. I think this is the short-term firmware solution for InMusic: -Add a -6dB attentuation to the SC5000 processing. This is mathematically perfect and simple to impliment, as it just halves the sample amplitudes. Unless they're in 32bit float they need -3dB below full scale, anyway, to prevent intersample peaks, so this would leave a further -3dB of margin beyond that for Elastique to work. -Get rid of the compressor/limiter in the SC5000 processing, as it will no longer be necessary. -Allow an option/setting/preference where if you turn keylock off, Elastique processing is completely overrided and bypassed, using only the "maximally minimal" processing needed for simple pitch/speed change. -Set Elastique's FS/3 setting to FS/2 so that we get frequency bandwidth equivolent to 48khz sampling frequency playback. I suspect that's what's probably causing the treble roll-off equivolent to 96khz sampling frequency divided by three. This is an actual setting mentioned in the Elastique SDK documentation. Hopefully they also give us the ability to adjust the jog bend, hide some onscreen information in the HUD, disable sync, and do an "owner's lockout" on their settings... aside from your personal jog bend setting and center jog logo on the drive, of course. I'm also hoping we get back the full 14bit pitch resolution from the original firmware.
Yay for competition! ^_^ Seriously, a brilliant review and the written review is CRAZY comprehensive! Great work, Digital DJ Tips! You have a new subscriber in me :D PS I was considering (as a 'bedroom DJ') getting a XDJ RX, but I think I'll wait to see if Denon does an equivalent ^_^ Keep up the great work! X
You're very welcome, Jake! Thanks for the kind words. I think a lot of people are in the same boat as you, it's certainly going to be interesting to see what other innovations will follow. :-)
why they put the cdj's to shame??? i tried the denons, i woul NEVER EVER trade them for my Pioneers... Yet the Denons have to prove the are long term reliable...
I had this unit a while ago, never really caught on in terms of giving Pioneer a run for their money. Seems like this player is finally starting to turn heads with the features...or they are putting more money into their marketing endeavors, lol~!
Nice review. Nice time stretch processor 😯 I should know given that i have one of these collecting dust! (Bc im a used gear hoarder tinkerer whos not making music 😭 The return to music production + start of music mixing internet life starts tomorrow)
AWSOME Video. Just wish you could change the Center logo to something more USEFUL. Like a BPM Counter, Pitch Range, or Tempo of some sorts. I know all of this is on the Screen, but seems to be more Eye Catching, and faster reaction if they were actually on the jog wheel. Seems kinda Childish, and bedroomish with images in the center jog wheel. Other than that DENON has truly made a Dream come True👍👍👍..
Hey i would like to know how you are liking these units and what are your thoughts on the New sc6000, are they worth the upgrade from the sc5000 or the older model is Just fine? Your opinion is critical cause i Will be getting mine either sc5000 or the New ones.
Excellent review but this is not the first time ever that you could have two separate outputs on a player. Denon also had the model DNHS-5500 that allowed two separate outputs for one player. And the button was called "layer" on that model also. I still own a pair and still play on them from time to time. I bet that the idea came from that past model.
Phill, I have read that Denon has licenced the use of zplane elastique v3 plugin for the key lock, that's why it's sound even better than serato's pitch'n'time ;)
This denon is an update or upgrade version of the dn hs5500. The unit was way ahead of any brand as a dual player in one in 2008. Its not the first time it had that dual features.....Great review, but please do your research buddy compare to the past denon product they had and what is new now.
you`re very welcome. I didn't read anyone comments only just listened what you was saying as it was an interesting unit that I wanted to purchase. I also apologise for any misunderstanding.
As a loyal Pioneer DJ customer, they really need to step their game up taking some cues from Denon DJ like the pads and loop controls. Still staying with Pioneer but Denon knows what the customers want. Almost like they eavesdropped Pioneer forums.
In 6 or 7 months from now i'm gonna be able to buy that setup like the bundle / package. That comes with those on the video. Also the video was very helpfull!
when you do the video on the mixer, do a good part of the effects touch slider, and try and work out the tenth notes, those -/+ 4 step bar markers are good for, most effects on mixers and dj program are all rubbish, being able to stop a mix with a long slow echo and delay will be something new, probably more so if your tech house or trance running a loop with some filter
The time stretch seems to be taking some much higher samples and a ton more samples so as to not demolish the sound like pioneer gear does. My RX2 unit really screws the dynamics or introduces strange phasing because low quality samples and probably no as many so it ends up losing data. Dammit I need a great job where I can afford this whole denon setup... or they could make a non layer version with and no analysis tools on board. would be nice.
What's happens when you update your Rekorbox library after the creation of the Engine folder in the USB stick? The SC 5000 recognize that the library of Rekordbox is more recent and starts to update his own one? I will test this in the weekend. I think that this aspect will be the most important till DENON will reach Pioneer in djs preferences
Noah L. In the middle of the screen you have those 4 squares running with the track, they must be matching the beat. There's some videos about it on UA-cam.
I cant see that Pioneer is not going to match and better this Denon release. Surely they don't lack resources or tech ability to incorporate the same technology in their players. All I can add is. . .and maybe I'm just not creative enough, or just missing something . . .but why is nobody including the ability to play Stems onto their setups? I give up, LOL : ))) This is an awesome product though, they certainly raised the bar. I mean if Tiesto and Laidback Luke already made the switch . . .Enough said. : )))
Johan Jordaan you can play stems - watch the mixer features video on Denon channel. The x1800 has 10 channel DAW dedicated connection straight to the mixer.
I really wish the industry would get it's arse into gear and just make these industry standard, it's time to sack Pioneer off. These are literally better than the NXS 2's in every way.
DSP processing is not transparent even with key lock off and pitch at zero compared to Pioneer. Sounds dark, processed, compressed, and actually kind of similar to Torq 2.0 that had a stunted and inverted-phase impulse response and its low pass filtering mutilated square waves. v1.0.3 firmware has worse deep pitch resolution than Pioneer or Gemini. The optimal analog-like resolution that is possible and they could shoot for is 2000 increments on a 100mm 14bit pitch fader and dropping the ranges below 0.01 increments. So that'd be 0.1 at 100%, 0.05 at 50%, 0.02 at 20%, and 0.01 at 10%. Can't set cue or hot cue prior to track analysis. If you do pre-analysis with Engine Prime, then link will only show something like the first 10,000 or so database tracks. Rearward jog bend sensitivity is good, but forward is twice as sensitive. This is all resolvable in the firmware, but the sound quality part I am pessimistic they will fix due to their constant boasting of how major touring DJs they are paying to use them aren't complaining. Crossing my fingers, though.
Very nice review thank`s a lot for this. Please allow a detailed question: are the rca/chinch-outs (analog) concurrently to be used with the rca/spdif-outs? I would like to connect the analogs into the X1800 Prime and the spdif`s into another digital mixer for recording purposes. This woul require both out`s (analog and spdif) to provide a signal concurrently - is this possible, does this work? This would help to avoid a splitter which would be really nice.. thank you very much in advance ;=)
It will be interesting to see pioneers next Cdj, but what will they charge for it???? 2 nxs2 decks are £1000 more than 2 of the new denons as it is. They need to up their game and drop their prices at the same time. Do they not realise that a lot of bars and clubs these days don't even provide gear in their dj boxes anymore, because there's so many different controllers etc, and djs now like to use their own gear. Why spend £4000 on decks if your dj turns up with a £100 controller and doesn't use them?!
Hey! I have been using a controller for a while now and it's about time I need to upgrade to some players. I have an RMX-60 mixer. I was wondering if I should get XDJ-1000 MK2s or SC5000s. I can't get the X1800 Denon mixer. I was just worrying the Denon gear is to similar to a controller. So what should I get and is the Denon stuff to similar to a controller? Remember I can't get a Denon mixer and I will be using a RMX-60 mixer.
Well if this can run Rekordbox, I will 100000% buy it. It has 8 hot cues, very nice jog wheel, good screen, 2 channels in 1 deck, it will save us alot of money instead of buy 4 CDJ 2000NXS2. But It doesn't work with Rekordbox so... Wait for the CDJ 3000 (2000NXS3, or maybe 3000NXS)
It kind of does... if you plug a Rekordbox-analysed USB in it will analyse it on the spot and let you DJ with it. Not exactly a full integration, but it DOES work.
I'm really torn between this and an SC5000M ... I will do some more contemplating. ... these have nearly everything I could imagine using them for built in, and if used with Serato they have controls for nearly everything I use in Serato, except one small thing.... no sampler bank controls. this wouldn't be a huge issue if I'm using one alongside my Denon MC7000... and if I ended up with a pair, and mixer, and was using Serato still, then I would find a workaround. Keyboard shortcuts, mouse clicks, or a Reloop Neon or something of the sort... unless the mixer had sampler controls. .... I have a few things further up on my list, so I will have time to research mixers, and also decide on the 5000 vs 5000M in the meantime. Any advice on a good 2ch mixer to use these alongside, either with or without Serato? I'd mainly be looking for filters, but an Echo would be nice too... if I went with Serato I'd likely use it alongside the MC7000, so I'm kinda looking for a solution to use one of these with the dual decks and a mixer, without the laptop... (someday I'd get a second one) thanks as usual for all the DDJT content.
ken ark I've seen the Comparison to the new Pioneer 1000's , and the Denon's vl12 Won. They sound Warmer, Richer, and more Natural. Only thing is that the Pioneer Looks Alot better
Hi sir I'm in quite a dilemma in regards of these units and this is why. Prior to 3 months ago they used to be on my list of toys to purchase but now the New sc6000 has been release i am wondering if it is a smart thing to adopt these instead of the New one and this is where the dilemma lies. I found floor models here in Montréal Canada for 1000 cad dollars a piece instead of 1900 cad dollars for the New one. Although i dont care for the larger screen wich looks kind of weird to my eyes the only thing i like about the New ones is the larger jog wheel and the hardrive bay. Do you think getting 2 x sc5000 for the price of 1 x sc6000 is worth it for future proof purposes and for the extra percks listed above Or the sc5000 which was my dream player now at half price is Just good enough and spend 2000$ on having 2 players instead of 1 a better deal. Please help me make up my mind sir your wiser Than us gearholics. Id like to make the smart buy rather Than the emotions based this time around. Do you happen to know if the internal of both units are the same like cpu inside them that would also be help full in order to make the smart buy as well. These Unit rely on that cpu and is the driving force. Sorry for the long question and i thank you in advance. By the way your channel is the first i look at making educated views on future gear, you work is essential. God bless you.
They have not discontinued the SC5000 and I believe they will support it for a long time. The internals are similar, so I think you are safe going with the SC5000s.
@@digitaldjtips great to hear your response. I Just got a deal on the get 1 and second half price. 1300for1 and the second +650 I am so excited. Do you know if with the New update it Will be able to read my 4tb hardrive? Or what would be its limit on hardrive read. Maybe i can get some 2tb ssd and find some how to fit those inder the machine with some velcro in order not to void the guaranty
Engine prime isn't a performance software. To use DVS you'll still require either Serato or Traktor. I'm not entirely certain if the x1800 has serato dvs support built in as it's not listed on the hardware section of the serato website, but I would be surprised if it didn't as my MC7000 has dvs support built right in. Otherwise I'm sure you've already got a DVS enabled audio card that you've been useing, and that should hook up just like any other dvs setup
I had turntable pionner plx 1000 and I sold it to buy this denon sc5000m prime worst pièce of business I ever did in my dj career 🤦🏿... So many things you need to go trough for it to work. Should make have a review with all the problem we can get instead of only showing my the machine can do ..
The Denon SC5000 is a superior unit, which is jam packed with new features that the Pioneer lacks. It is going to be really interesting to see what Pioneer do in their next CDJ!
Like all Denon gear I find them interesting and impressive but I don't buy them because of their poor resale value. The usb port underneath is just saying someone please steal me. Especially if the song continues to play without the usb stick inserted.
Yes. Which I know that they are Capable. It's just in the past Denon Software has been horrible. I mean I still have their dns3700's. They are built Like TANKS. But the software programs are very unstable, and not somewhat reliable.
Really liked the review until you kept saying "because it's got a computer built in!" All standalone media players of course are computers. That is not the reason why you were seeing some of the behaviours with for instance removing the USB
I have to disagree with one thing said... A whole layer button that lets you switch deck on each player ... That's NOT new or revolutionary revolutionary...numark has done that with their mixers for YEARS ... that function is on my ns6 and it's been there for God only knows how long... Denon just FINALLY caught up to numark.
Thank, These Decks are actually a joke. Its good to see someone finally rivle Pioneer, becasue in the end this will make pioneers equipment better too as they'll have to be competitive
It"s just aggressive marketing. Wait for the new CDJ. They had no reason to really innovate as they didn't had any real competition. Pretty sure the new CDJ will put some dust on these Denon's.
ill say what no one is willing to admit. its a clone of CDJ...just look at it. It reminds me of the hand gun company Kimber...Kimber first cloned the Colt 1911 years ago and sold the clone for a third of the price of a Colt 1911. Now, the Kimber clone of the 1911 goes for three times the original..just saying. cant go wrong with the original.
Your comment on this being the first pro hardware with dual sources outputs are very inaccurate. Denon had another midi/hid motorized player controller that had the option of an internal hard drive look it up Denon DN-HS5500 this is basically a modern version of that player minus the motorized platter
i just got this same setup and no major dj software is compatable with this right now. i like using videos. i cant use them now. i called denon and they said that serato is working on it and virtual dj has no plan to. i dont like traktor. what a waste.
I know these blow pioneer out of the water with features, and looks aren't everything, but WHY did they make the knobs on the sc5000s cheap plastic fake chrome looking, and with the terrible jokerish lighting color scheme? Makes them look like toys. Unfortunate, because these are better than pios on every other level.
2 years after - no club has adopted them - why ? - because they are unreliable piece of crap. I don’t care about layers if jog wheel is nightmare to use. I don’t care about big screen if it all glitches and bugs. Denon customer support is pretty bad, after they release new product, old one is forgotten (and depriciated, prices are halved) and it’s all “it will come in future update”... And guess what - it does not happen. Yeah, reviews and 5 minute tests are ok, but investing in this or buying it for the club - no thanks ! PS I’m not Pioneer fan, I think their products are silly overpriced, their customer support is bad, too - but with no competition they would sell CDJ even if they were 4K each.
I agree bro. I’ve went through three (3) broken Prime 4 units and currently awaiting my fourth (4) replacement unit from Denon DJ. Never again will I but Denon DJ products and like you not a Pioneer fan boy either. Just an honest paying consumer that wants a quality product.
Just one 'small' correction - this is NOT the first player to introduce 2 layers of playing on a single deck. Some 10 - 15 years ago (yes, that long) DENON DJ's high-end tabletop cd player was called DN-S5000 and was able to play 2 tracks from one disc simultaniously. Back then they called it 'alpha mode'.
Other people have pointed this out as well, thanks for the correction! :-)
thank you for the great rewiev and excellent job that you all do! :)
hope to have these perfect machines at my disposal some day...
Yeah cool them decks I bought 3500...then the 5500 came out not long after looks good too
The world first player to introduce 2 layers on a single deck was the denon dnd9000
Wow this is great. It seems like pioneer has just been holding back the market. I wish Denon all the best
Top innovation from them 🚀
I think a great feature would be, during Layer Mode if it could show both waveforms playing on the same screen at the same time.
Also I just read that you can bring in your rekordbox collection on a USB stick and these will be able to use it. GOOD GOD how awesome is that!!!
im a huge cdj fan but, i just used these today and i got to say they are incredible. Pioneer really needs to step it up if they want to stay relevant.
Imagine they're thinking of ways to outdo the SC5000. It can only benefit the consumer :)
The d9000 was the first player to have dual outputs. It was called alpha track. Way ahead of its time back in 2002.
Thanks for that, Scott :-)
Agree. I still have it, and it is still working......the alpha track is still amazing and still works.....at least one of the two CD player sides is working. Denon has always been way ahead of Pioneer, it just never took off in the pro scene. I also had one of the first cdj pioneer players which I loved. Very basic, no frills, but a superior sound over the Denon back in 2001 or 2002. But Denon brought in all of the special features like the cool effects, alpha track for two tracks per deck, sampling, hot cues, loops......in the early 2000's it was unbelievable that I could do that with cd's......now it is common place.
The more you know!
I havent been DJing too long, but I've never found someone who actually know how to use the Slicer
I absolutely love this product but it will be frustrating how clubs will be slow to adopt it over the standard Pioneer CDJ setup.
We love them too! Only time will tell. :-)
Chris Dugan I agree...Phil says a few times when you come up to these in a club you just plug your usb in and away you go....well that's if the club has these to start with. They are definitely rivals to Pioneer cdj's though.
This is true... HOWEVER, I gotta buddy starting a night club in my area here and I've convinced him entirely that he should just buy these. He was about to drop ~10gs on 5 xdj-2000s whenever those got announced (4 for use and 1 as a backup) but after I told him that the sc5000s work as two independent decks he was sold. now he's only got to buy 3 instead of the 5 (1 for backup 2 for use) which cuts ~5gs out of the equation that he can now spend on a nicer sound system.
Chris Dugan the basic functionality is the same dude. In terms of clubs the most important thing to master is the mixer imho
Chris Dugan wont happen in the next 5 6 years
i love the fact that DENON has brought the life of the original 5000 into this new machine with the dual players for each deck and the feeling is ohhhhhhhhhhh so turntable real. welcome back Denons I can now put down my original 5000.
Ace, aren't they :-)
This is an extraordinary peace of equipment. Very impressive, indeed! Always liked Denon, and used to play on DN-S 5000, DN-S3500 and DN-S3700, as well as on an old DJ DN-2500F, which had, if I recall, a function called Voice Reducer, which helped while mixing with removing vocal frequencies for easier switch between full vocal tracks when doing the transition. If I was still in the business, I would get this set-up without thinking, because it seems flawless. The only issue I would worry about is the touch-screen reliability, because we are all aware of issues those could have, and bugs that could occur in the software giving us lots of bugs and screen being unresponsive. Having said that, it still is an amazing peace of tech, and I am so happy someone other then Pioneer stepped into the big league, and I hope they get all the credits they deserve with this units!
Oh, and FYI, ability to play 2 tracks on two separate channels has been implemented a loooong, loooong time ago, it was called Alpha Track, and was implemented in DN-S5000. One player could play, manipulate, and mix 2 tracks on 2 separate channels, and you could show up on a gig with only one player. :)
Nice video and presentation, thumbs up. Keep up the good work!
Greetings from Serbia!
Bravo DenonDJ!!!!! However, we still need a cheaper all in one unit for our bedrooms and small club installations :)
These r pretty cool. Denon needs to make a version of these with the spinning platter for those of us who have been spinning for over 30 yrs. Or maybe us old school guys just need to stick to what we already have.
Good shout, maybe send them an email! :-)
+1
The Denon DN-D9000 and DN-S5000 was the first denon products to offer playing two of the same or different tracks from the same unit. As a matter of fact the DN-D9000 which I still own and the DN-S5000 achieve this feature using CDs. The Denon HD2500 with the built in 40 gig hard drive, which I also own, was the first media player from denon to offer the layer feature that on the SC5000. Denon always was the first on many features, Pioneer is like Apple. Once consumer get brainwash a product is standard in the tech world. Another brand is hard to compete. You will never get this many feature the SC5000 offer from pioneer gear without buying 2-3 revision of the same model.
Thanks for that! It will be interesting to see what happens... :-)
I'm Sorry, I mean. The DN-D9000 and the DN-S5000 can play two tracks from the same cd at the same time. The D9000 dual cd deck had 4 set of rca outputs. The S5000 single cd deck had 2 of rca outputs.
I know this video is a little old but I keep hearing on these videos that the Pioneers do not have beat jump. The Pioneer Nexus 2's do have beat jump. Its controlled on the touch screen.
My dream set up right there
It's so nice 😍
The Denon dn hs5500 that I used to have also had 2 decks in one. That was all the way back in 2008. The 2 decks isn't a brand new feature, denon has been killing it with features for years. I never met anybody else that used those players, which is sad because they were wayyyyy ahead of their time.
Quite a few have commented on this fact as well. Thanks for sharing, I wasn't aware of that myself :-)
Great video, just wanted to give denon their credit!
DJPharaohTV yes in Brazil my country some djs adopted those (and still use it) exactly because of the dual deck feature. Any dj gear is extremely expensive in Brazil and it is being a way to rock parties without selling an arm.
DJPharaoh I still hav my hs5000 those ared decks I can never sell
Thanks for sharing because I still use my Denon 5500's. They wok great and they were definitely before their time. When I play in clubs I just take one and it works great. Thanks Pharaoh for the great info.
Pioneer DJ XDJ1000 Mk1, Mk2 & CDJ2000 nxs 2 all have beat jump, & triplet roll on the touch screens
Thanks for the information! :-)
Digital DJ Tips great video though. I wouldn't mind trying these out
Yeah, but they deserve to be on pads, not a touchscreen, which was part of our point :)
xdj can only beat jump by 4 beats max, useless
They have since fixed the inability to set cue and hot cues until the track is analyzed. Very good news.
Between the compressor/limiter, the low-pass filtering, and the heavy processing even when key lock is off and/or pitch is at zero, right now the SC5000 with a lossless 24bit/96khz file sounds arguably no better than a Pioneer playing a 320bps MP3 sourced from a 16bit/32khz lossless audio file.
I think this is the short-term firmware solution for InMusic:
-Add a -6dB attentuation to the SC5000 processing. This is mathematically perfect and simple to impliment, as it just halves the sample amplitudes. Unless they're in 32bit float they need -3dB below full scale, anyway, to prevent intersample peaks, so this would leave a further -3dB of margin beyond that for Elastique to work.
-Get rid of the compressor/limiter in the SC5000 processing, as it will no longer be necessary.
-Allow an option/setting/preference where if you turn keylock off, Elastique processing is completely overrided and bypassed, using only the "maximally minimal" processing needed for simple pitch/speed change.
-Set Elastique's FS/3 setting to FS/2 so that we get frequency bandwidth equivolent to 48khz sampling frequency playback. I suspect that's what's probably causing the treble roll-off equivolent to 96khz sampling frequency divided by three. This is an actual setting mentioned in the Elastique SDK documentation.
Hopefully they also give us the ability to adjust the jog bend, hide some onscreen information in the HUD, disable sync, and do an "owner's lockout" on their settings... aside from your personal jog bend setting and center jog logo on the drive, of course. I'm also hoping we get back the full 14bit pitch resolution from the original firmware.
Thanks for adding all that 😀
Yay for competition! ^_^ Seriously, a brilliant review and the written review is CRAZY comprehensive! Great work, Digital DJ Tips! You have a new subscriber in me :D
PS I was considering (as a 'bedroom DJ') getting a XDJ RX, but I think I'll wait to see if Denon does an equivalent ^_^
Keep up the great work! X
You're very welcome, Jake! Thanks for the kind words. I think a lot of people are in the same boat as you, it's certainly going to be interesting to see what other innovations will follow. :-)
This puts my pio CDJ 2000nxs to absolute shame
Denon have certainly raised the bar here! :-)
the pio still feels better tho
So you've had hands on experience w' the SC5000 so as to compare?
well yea, I just think the mechanical jog wheels feel better
why they put the cdj's to shame??? i tried the denons, i woul NEVER EVER trade them for my Pioneers...
Yet the Denons have to prove the are long term reliable...
Woooooow, what a beast of equipment!
They're certainly going to shake the high end of the market up!
I have the older denon 5500 it already had the 2 layer player function ;)
I had this unit a while ago, never really caught on in terms of giving Pioneer a run for their money. Seems like this player is finally starting to turn heads with the features...or they are putting more money into their marketing endeavors, lol~!
Nice review. Nice time stretch processor 😯 I should know given that i have one of these collecting dust! (Bc im a used gear hoarder tinkerer whos not making music 😭 The return to music production + start of music mixing internet life starts tomorrow)
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AWSOME Video. Just wish you could change the Center logo to something more USEFUL. Like a BPM Counter, Pitch Range, or Tempo of some sorts. I know all of this is on the Screen, but seems to be more Eye Catching, and faster reaction if they were actually on the jog wheel. Seems kinda Childish, and bedroomish with images in the center jog wheel. Other than that DENON has truly made a Dream come True👍👍👍..
Good feedback, cheers Nicole!
Great review, the new Denon DJ SC5000 Prime are amazing!
Had Cdj2000 nxs and moved on to these. No regrets whatsoever
Glad to hear it!
Hey i would like to know how you are liking these units and what are your thoughts on the New sc6000, are they worth the upgrade from the sc5000 or the older model is Just fine?
Your opinion is critical cause i Will be getting mine either sc5000 or the New ones.
Thanks for the excellent product review! I really want one to replace my current Denon outdated CDJ. Cheers!
Hope you manage to get one!
Excellent review but this is not the first time ever that you could have two separate outputs on a player. Denon also had the model DNHS-5500 that allowed two separate outputs for one player. And the button was called "layer" on that model also. I still own a pair and still play on them from time to time. I bet that the idea came from that past model.
Thanks for the correction there!
this machine has great sound but i still love my Pioneer Nexus2 setup :)
You're happy with your set-up, that's what counts :)
Phill, I have read that Denon has licenced the use of zplane elastique v3 plugin for the key lock, that's why it's sound even better than serato's pitch'n'time ;)
Thanks for the information!
their answer to Pioneer DDJ-SZ but more on the'' Nexus'' side! It reminds me of the Numark NS6 a bit. I like the mixer also! Really neat stuff!
Yes, and unlike the DDJ-SZ, you don't even need to hook these up to a computer :)
The best part! In a single Generation of controller, they managed to jump years ahead of Pioneer! CRAZY!!!!
This denon is an update or upgrade version of the dn hs5500. The unit was way ahead of any brand as a dual player in one in 2008. Its not the first time it had that dual features.....Great review, but please do your research buddy compare to the past denon product they had and what is new now.
Thanks for that. A few others have also pointed this out. We have acknowledged this in the comments. :-)
you`re very welcome. I didn't read anyone comments only just listened what you was saying as it was an interesting unit that I wanted to purchase. I also apologise for any misunderstanding.
As a loyal Pioneer DJ customer, they really need to step their game up taking some cues from Denon DJ like the pads and loop controls. Still staying with Pioneer but Denon knows what the customers want. Almost like they eavesdropped Pioneer forums.
Will definitely be interesting to see what Pioneer DJ does next.
In 6 or 7 months from now i'm gonna be able to buy that setup like the bundle / package. That comes with those on the video. Also the video was very helpfull!
Go for it! And thanks for the feedback :)
Digital DJ Tips I watch a lot of your vids a lot too (like every uploads and previous video’s aswell)
when you do the video on the mixer, do a good part of the effects touch slider, and try and work out the tenth notes, those -/+ 4 step bar markers are good for, most effects on mixers and dj program are all rubbish, being able to stop a mix with a long slow echo and delay will be something new, probably more so if your tech house or trance running a loop with some filter
Thanks for the feedback, I have passed that on to Phil :-)
top job
cool and such but i think i could never afford one of them......i still using a Reloop RCD 2650s....ye...cool eh? still works after all those years.
That's cool :-)
The time stretch seems to be taking some much higher samples and a ton more samples so as to not demolish the sound like pioneer gear does. My RX2 unit really screws the dynamics or introduces strange phasing because low quality samples and probably no as many so it ends up losing data. Dammit I need a great job where I can afford this whole denon setup... or they could make a non layer version with and no analysis tools on board. would be nice.
Indeed, it's lovely gear 👍
even tho i always thought denon was a bit cheese, these decks are pretty cool
They are pretty sweet indeed :D
Amazing review thanks so much!
Certainly! Thanks for watching :)
I Like It, " I Like It A Lot" Jim Carey voice!
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hey! I am a young dj and im going to buy a Club setup soon! should I buy the denons on the pio 2000nxs2 ?
The best advice I can give is to wait and see what the next Pioneer's are looking out?
Digital DJ Tips Alright! When do you presume they will be released for the open public?
pioneer make dj tie their music into rekordbox ..if you not analyse the track it wont show up information mean while denon just plug and go
What's happens when you update your Rekorbox library after the creation of the Engine folder in the USB stick? The SC 5000 recognize that the library of Rekordbox is more recent and starts to update his own one? I will test this in the weekend. I think that this aspect will be the most important till DENON will reach Pioneer in djs preferences
Is there a way to see if the tracks are synchronized ? Beside beat matching with the ears it's good to have it also visual
Using your ears is the best way to do this! :-)
Noah L. In the middle of the screen you have those 4 squares running with the track, they must be matching the beat. There's some videos about it on UA-cam.
Awesome review, awesome kit!!!! I want two!!!!!!!
Thanks Akinkunmi! :-)
I cant see that Pioneer is not going to match and better this Denon release. Surely they don't lack resources or tech ability to incorporate the same technology in their players. All I can add is. . .and maybe I'm just not creative enough, or just missing something . . .but why is nobody including the ability to play Stems onto their setups? I give up, LOL : ))) This is an awesome product though, they certainly raised the bar. I mean if Tiesto and Laidback Luke already made the switch . . .Enough said. : )))
That's the main thing, it will force Pioneer's hand. We can't wait to see the next incarnation of the CDJ :-)
Johan Jordaan you can play stems - watch the mixer features video on Denon channel. The x1800 has 10 channel DAW dedicated connection straight to the mixer.
Johan Jordaan I would add flip edit as a future feature to be incorporated aside stems support.
However "stem files" (Traktor style) are being omitted from my playlists when I move them to the external drive for the standalone player...
I really wish the industry would get it's arse into gear and just make these industry standard, it's time to sack Pioneer off. These are literally better than the NXS 2's in every way.
DSP processing is not transparent even with key lock off and pitch at zero compared to Pioneer. Sounds dark, processed, compressed, and actually kind of similar to Torq 2.0 that had a stunted and inverted-phase impulse response and its low pass filtering mutilated square waves.
v1.0.3 firmware has worse deep pitch resolution than Pioneer or Gemini. The optimal analog-like resolution that is possible and they could shoot for is 2000 increments on a 100mm 14bit pitch fader and dropping the ranges below 0.01 increments. So that'd be 0.1 at 100%, 0.05 at 50%, 0.02 at 20%, and 0.01 at 10%.
Can't set cue or hot cue prior to track analysis. If you do pre-analysis with Engine Prime, then link will only show something like the first 10,000 or so database tracks.
Rearward jog bend sensitivity is good, but forward is twice as sensitive.
This is all resolvable in the firmware, but the sound quality part I am pessimistic they will fix due to their constant boasting of how major touring DJs they are paying to use them aren't complaining. Crossing my fingers, though.
Thanks Reticuli 👍
This setup is nice 😍😍💰💰💰😲😀
Very nice review thank`s a lot for this. Please allow a detailed question:
are the rca/chinch-outs (analog) concurrently to be used with the rca/spdif-outs?
I would like to connect the analogs into the X1800 Prime and the spdif`s into another digital mixer for recording purposes. This woul require both out`s (analog and spdif) to provide a signal concurrently - is this possible, does this work?
This would help to avoid a splitter which would be really nice..
thank you very much in advance ;=)
Great review as always.. God Bless
Glad you enjoyed it :-)
awesome stuff
Thanks!
Does it work with serato
Always loved denon products but I have to have the spinning platter
Hi,
I just want to find out how i can lock the logo on the little screen..,,
Thank you.
It will be interesting to see pioneers next Cdj, but what will they charge for it???? 2 nxs2 decks are £1000 more than 2 of the new denons as it is. They need to up their game and drop their prices at the same time. Do they not realise that a lot of bars and clubs these days don't even provide gear in their dj boxes anymore, because there's so many different controllers etc, and djs now like to use their own gear. Why spend £4000 on decks if your dj turns up with a £100 controller and doesn't use them?!
Very good points indeed, Darren. All we can do is sit back and wait to see :-)
does the "USB out" send clock (midi) to sync an external drum mchine?
But can I hide the moving waveforms and the BPM counters?
Hey! I have been using a controller for a while now and it's about time I need to upgrade to some players. I have an RMX-60 mixer. I was wondering if I should get XDJ-1000 MK2s or SC5000s. I can't get the X1800 Denon mixer. I was just worrying the Denon gear is to similar to a controller. So what should I get and is the Denon stuff to similar to a controller? Remember I can't get a Denon mixer and I will be using a RMX-60 mixer.
The Denon MC5000 are far more feature-packed than the XDJ-1000s and will work fine with your mixer :)
Digital DJ Tips Alright! Thanks for taking the time to reply to. 😀
Sure!
@@digitaldjtips Just got the notification for your reply, just checking.. you did mean the SC5000s and MC5000 was a typo?
"Layer" feature in a media player is not "completely new", some other Denon players had it before, such as DN-S5000 or DN-HS5500...
great players
Well if this can run Rekordbox, I will 100000% buy it. It has 8 hot cues, very nice jog wheel, good screen, 2 channels in 1 deck, it will save us alot of money instead of buy 4 CDJ 2000NXS2. But It doesn't work with Rekordbox so... Wait for the CDJ 3000 (2000NXS3, or maybe 3000NXS)
It kind of does... if you plug a Rekordbox-analysed USB in it will analyse it on the spot and let you DJ with it. Not exactly a full integration, but it DOES work.
it's a beast :0
It certainly is!
As I know, this is NOT the first Denon Player that has 2 layer player... I think in the past they already did that.
I'm really torn between this and an SC5000M ... I will do some more contemplating. ...
these have nearly everything I could imagine using them for built in, and if used with Serato they have controls for nearly everything I use in Serato, except one small thing.... no sampler bank controls.
this wouldn't be a huge issue if I'm using one alongside my Denon MC7000... and if I ended up with a pair, and mixer, and was using Serato still, then I would find a workaround. Keyboard shortcuts, mouse clicks, or a Reloop Neon or something of the sort... unless the mixer had sampler controls. ....
I have a few things further up on my list, so I will have time to research mixers, and also decide on the 5000 vs 5000M in the meantime. Any advice on a good 2ch mixer to use these alongside, either with or without Serato? I'd mainly be looking for filters, but an Echo would be nice too... if I went with Serato I'd likely use it alongside the MC7000, so I'm kinda looking for a solution to use one of these with the dual decks and a mixer, without the laptop... (someday I'd get a second one)
thanks as usual for all the DDJT content.
We like the Xone 23C mixer, or the smaller Pioneer models.
Hi. I bought the SC5000 how do I get my cue points to colour match Serato. All my cue points are blue. Thanks Chad...
Not sure, we haven't tested the Prime 4 extensively with Serato since they announced it - let us know what you find out though please!
@digitital dj tips..can you review the denon turntable vl12 prime
ken ark I've seen the Comparison to the new Pioneer 1000's , and the Denon's vl12 Won. They sound Warmer, Richer, and more Natural. Only thing is that the Pioneer Looks Alot better
We are waiting to get loan samples in order to do so, Ken.
Sad to see Denon DJ censoring people on their forums and allowing people who are abusive and/or flat out incorrect about information to post unabated.
That mod is gone and things have improved somewhat on their forum, though not completely.
Hi sir I'm in quite a dilemma in regards of these units and this is why.
Prior to 3 months ago they used to be on my list of toys to purchase but now the New sc6000 has been release i am wondering if it is a smart thing to adopt these instead of the New one and this is where the dilemma lies.
I found floor models here in Montréal Canada for 1000 cad dollars a piece instead of 1900 cad dollars for the New one.
Although i dont care for the larger screen wich looks kind of weird to my eyes the only thing i like about the New ones is the larger jog wheel and the hardrive bay. Do you think getting 2 x sc5000 for the price of 1 x sc6000 is worth it for future proof purposes and for the extra percks listed above
Or the sc5000 which was my dream player now at half price is Just good enough and spend 2000$ on having 2 players instead of 1 a better deal.
Please help me make up my mind sir your wiser Than us gearholics.
Id like to make the smart buy rather Than the emotions based this time around.
Do you happen to know if the internal of both units are the same like cpu inside them that would also be help full in order to make the smart buy as well. These Unit rely on that cpu and is the driving force.
Sorry for the long question and i thank you in advance.
By the way your channel is the first i look at making educated views on future gear, you work is essential.
God bless you.
They have not discontinued the SC5000 and I believe they will support it for a long time. The internals are similar, so I think you are safe going with the SC5000s.
@@digitaldjtips great to hear your response.
I Just got a deal on the get 1 and second half price.
1300for1 and the second +650
I am so excited.
Do you know if with the New update it Will be able to read my 4tb hardrive?
Or what would be its limit on hardrive read.
Maybe i can get some 2tb ssd and find some how to fit those inder the machine with some velcro in order not to void the guaranty
I'd check in with Denon on that one :)
All that pioneer needs to do is to create a new player like this one with built in sampler and grab the glory again...
yeah at twice the price.
Can I use my Technics 1210's with the X1800 mixer as DVS with Engine Prime with no extra software/hardware needed?
No, Engine Prime is track prep software, nothing else.
Engine prime isn't a performance software. To use DVS you'll still require either Serato or Traktor. I'm not entirely certain if the x1800 has serato dvs support built in as it's not listed on the hardware section of the serato website, but I would be surprised if it didn't as my MC7000 has dvs support built right in. Otherwise I'm sure you've already got a DVS enabled audio card that you've been useing, and that should hook up just like any other dvs setup
I had turntable pionner plx 1000 and I sold it to buy this denon sc5000m prime worst pièce of business I ever did in my dj career 🤦🏿...
So many things you need to go trough for it to work.
Should make have a review with all the problem we can get instead of only showing my the machine can do ..
Sorry to hear this was your experience :(
where is the cheapest place to buy this thanks?
Not sure on that one, you'll have to do some research!
How would you rate the Denon5000, compared to the Nexus2???
The Denon SC5000 is a superior unit, which is jam packed with new features that the Pioneer lacks. It is going to be really interesting to see what Pioneer do in their next CDJ!
they will probably add all the same features, probably all of them are in my traktor forum feature requests, and clean up the menu's a little
how do you set a new bpm when 2 cd players are in sync, is it locked?
No, you can alter the BPM still, it will just move all synced decks at once.
SC5000 is still a great option in 2021 if you find the larger SC6000 screen off putting. Not every DJ has giant chimp hands
Yep still a great player :)
Is it possible to use them with Traktor ?
Not last time we checked, only with Traktor music collections
What's the biggest sub drive you can put in it
Not sure, Denon themselves just say keep it under 10,000 tracks - we've not tested it extensively
i want this setup with the new Denon turntables for my vinyl. Better sell a kidney on the black market....
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I'm a week late but FINALLY!
Like all Denon gear I find them interesting and impressive but I don't buy them because of their poor resale value. The usb port underneath is just saying someone please steal me. Especially if the song continues to play without the usb stick inserted.
I think that someone is more likely to pinch a USB from the top side, as that's the side that usually faces the crowd.
You are absolutely right no resale value.
why the hell would anybody steal a thumb drive? its not like they cost much
Does it have an audio interface?
What are you trying to accomplish?
I miss the moving platter
Bosman Ragga and I use too but not anymore
The 4 People that dislike👎🖓👎 this Video Has to be Pioneer Fanboys/Employee's
It's great that we are all able to share differing opinions though, isn't it? :-) Pioneer will certainly have to up their game now.
Yes. Which I know that they are Capable. It's just in the past Denon Software has been horrible. I mean I still have their dns3700's. They are built Like TANKS. But the software programs are very unstable, and not somewhat reliable.
I'm sure they will go all out with Prime!
Digital DJ Tips I doubt the new cdjs will up to these
all good with the players but the music manager software is (instert here a word i can't write on yt)
All in good time, these things usually take a while to get to the final version. :-)
So I don't need a laptop with this?
Not for DJing, but you'll want one for music preparation.
old denon dns3000 where first with dual layer and first ever cdj with spinning platter, but who cares
very nice cdj denon but it cust a lot money
It comes packed with features though and still cheaper than Pioneer DJ's gear :-)
Really liked the review until you kept saying "because it's got a computer built in!" All standalone media players of course are computers. That is not the reason why you were seeing some of the behaviours with for instance removing the USB
Thanks for the feedback! The focus is more on the design and processing power of the built in computer, of course :-)
It can mix for you too!
Haha. The robots are coming :-)
Short video? lol Good info.
I have to disagree with one thing said... A whole layer button that lets you switch deck on each player ... That's NOT new or revolutionary revolutionary...numark has done that with their mixers for YEARS ... that function is on my ns6 and it's been there for God only knows how long... Denon just FINALLY caught up to numark.
Austin Williams the difference is that your ns6 is not a standalone media player, it's a controller and requires a laptop:)
16:50 Do you know if they corrected that slip/loop roll bug?
No idea yet :)
If I analyse my tracks (adding cues, loops etc) in Rekordbox, will they show in the DJ SC5000?
Denon are working on this feature at the moment :-)
Thank, These Decks are actually a joke. Its good to see someone finally rivle Pioneer, becasue in the end this will make pioneers equipment better too as they'll have to be competitive
Absolutely :-)
have you got a review of the Mixer?
It"s just aggressive marketing. Wait for the new CDJ. They had no reason to really innovate as they didn't had any real competition. Pretty sure the new CDJ will put some dust on these Denon's.
I think everyone is eagerly anticipating Pioneer's next CDJ offering!
ill say what no one is willing to admit. its a clone of CDJ...just look at it. It reminds me of the hand gun company Kimber...Kimber first cloned the Colt 1911 years ago and sold the clone for a third of the price of a Colt 1911. Now, the Kimber clone of the 1911 goes for three times the original..just saying. cant go wrong with the original.
Obviously it's looks are hugely influenced by CDJs but that's common across all DJ software, it's hardly a straight copy but cheaper
Your comment on this being the first pro hardware with dual sources outputs are very inaccurate. Denon had another midi/hid motorized player controller that had the option of an internal hard drive look it up Denon DN-HS5500 this is basically a modern version of that player minus the motorized platter
Thanks for the feedback Johnny!
i just got this same setup and no major dj software is compatable with this right now. i like using videos. i cant use them now. i called denon and they said that serato is working on it and virtual dj has no plan to. i dont like traktor. what a waste.
Don't worry, Roger. We're sure Denon DJ will have everything running smoothly soon.
people fight over which japanese company produces better stuff is awesome :D
Lol true :)
I know these blow pioneer out of the water with features, and looks aren't everything, but WHY did they make the knobs on the sc5000s cheap plastic fake chrome looking, and with the terrible jokerish lighting color scheme? Makes them look like toys. Unfortunate, because these are better than pios on every other level.
To be fair you can change the colour scheme in the settings - but yeah, those chrome knobs are love/hate. We actually quite like them.
2 years after - no club has adopted them - why ? - because they are unreliable piece of crap. I don’t care about layers if jog wheel is nightmare to use. I don’t care about big screen if it all glitches and bugs. Denon customer support is pretty bad, after they release new product, old one is forgotten (and depriciated, prices are halved) and it’s all “it will come in future update”... And guess what - it does not happen. Yeah, reviews and 5 minute tests are ok, but investing in this or buying it for the club - no thanks ! PS I’m not Pioneer fan, I think their products are silly overpriced, their customer support is bad, too - but with no competition they would sell CDJ even if they were 4K each.
I agree bro. I’ve went through three (3) broken Prime 4 units and currently awaiting my fourth (4) replacement unit from Denon DJ. Never again will I but Denon DJ products and like you not a Pioneer fan boy either. Just an honest paying consumer that wants a quality product.
The views have really died along with the dj trend
Afonso, what do you mean? :-)