Those female NYPD members were my Mom's direct working peers. They still wore the Navy Wave skirt uniform. They are firing 5 shot, .32 caliber pistols, not 6 shot, .38's like the men. That was "the girls gun". The purse the officer describes, actually had a built in holster in the side. The .32 snubnose, in it's own purse. ( Note. About 1980, on the last day that it was "legal" to do so, and long after it had fallen out of fashion, my Mom wore that 1960s skirt uniform to work. Including that purse and .32 pistol. The last Police Officer Female in NYC history, to do so. POF 44 was her Shield # as she was only the 44th woman to work for the NYPD as a Cop. Dad was a Cop too. lol) Those accents, dats figgin Noo Yawk.
My mother was the third woman to be made a full Police Officer in the city of El Paso. Before that they were all like these women, typists who wore skirts and heels. Things have come a long way.
@@wildbilldurkin1493 : In Germany first official female police officer was about 1910 in Stuttgart, capital of then Kingdom of Württemberg ( nowadays capital of Federation State Baden-Württemberg). Last german City Police was as far as i know Munich up to 1975. Those first female police officer was unarmed, and her uniform was very similar to a nurse uniform. A sidenote: Up to 1890s most german uniformed policemen had only a saber, arming the officers with revolvers/ pistols, mostly .32 caliber, needed astonishingly up to 1913, bureaucracy and the fact , that every german state had a different policeforce. Now the tasks of the noted female officer was speaking with women or children, who became victims, withnesses or suspects. Her second task was to speak with prostitutes, especially with younger ones, to find a way out of Prostitution. The second task caused, that she quit (?) Police service after few years, disputes and troubles with Stuttgart Police chief, and to much work. She founded her own society to help prostitutes into a serious job, what she did as long she could. In 1920s most women in Police service had been only Secretaries or doing similar jobs, also in 1930s, but here and there, had been some expierienced / educated/ intelligent female personal, becomming female ,auxillary officers' , who supported the dectecives branch and had been usually unarmed, or only a blankpistol for pepper/ teargas cartidges. During wartime some uniformed female personal entered service of uniformed Police, but mustly telephone/ radio/ civilian traffic, similar things. Grown up in West Germany i am not informed much about former East Germany, in 1950s first women officialy entered detectives service ( Kriminalpolizei) as regular officers, but only few, and weaponry was at first the noted blankpistols again and then into early 1970s only .25 Acp ( West Germany!). First uniformed female police Personal appeared in late 1980s, nowadays common. Forgotten: Up to 1990s female detectives sometimes had only a .32 Acp pistol, because then most 9mm Luger pistols had been to large for concealed carry under womens wear ( Damenkleidung).
I support the police not having guns here in the UK. We're the only country with more than 10 million people where the police don't have guns. All the other ones are countries with small populations: Iceland, Norway, New Zealand.
Growing up in Northern Ireland, early 2000s baby it was and still is extremally common to see police on patrol with SMGs with all our police carrying pistols as well both on duty and even off-duty as well for their own protection. Even though N.I is apart of the UK it's very differant to Great Britain for example. I don't think I've ever encountered a police station that does not look like a military base or prison before I came to England so it's a pretty wild difference. Same with seeing police officers who didn't carry any firearms, throughout my head I was thinking "How do they protect people without any guns" when I visited the England as a kid.
@@ajs41: You have forgotten Ireland. In Imperial Germany up 1890s most policemen only had short sabers, similar to those ones, british policemen used sometimes before wwl. It needed up to 1913 , that every german policeman had a revolver or pistol.
Not really there are specialist fire arms officers now but the average Bobby is unnamed don't for get back then the met and the city of london cider were both totally corrupt root and branch and were able stymie operation countryman
Incredible vintage footage from NYC's Rodman's Neck firing range. That cross-draw holster setup and the old shooting stances are awesome to see. Thanks for posting this.
Thirty seconds of watching British cops walking around, and then the rest is US cops blasting away on the range. I would love to have heard some interviews of British cops on the subject.
It's about the criminals, not the cops. The British criminals were a bunch of white chavs with the same language and culture with the same moral standards. You could have led them by the ear to their mother and they would have gotten a whooping. US criminals were either minorities of a separate culture or they may have well been part of organized crime. Even at that point "white" generally only refered to people of Germanic origin. The English tended to all be English.
The majority of U.K police officers are against the arming of all police personal. The real weapon of crime, in the U.K. are knives and a trader beats a knife.
@serenityinside1 More like the intended audience was British. They already know about bobbies. The "exotic" armed Americans are more interesting than something they see everyday.
Before 1968, gun licences in the UK were a mere formality. If I remember correctly, it was just a case of going to the Post Office and paying 2 shillings and sixpence. Then a policeman got shot in Hammersmith, and since then, they have slowly but surely disarmed the civilian population.
@@christopherdean1326 That’s really interesting about the licencing in the UK before 1968! I figured 1988 because, at least from what I read, it seemed as though shotguns were pretty much unregulated. I remember reading they didn’t even need to be registered.
@@AJCzarkowski The basic principle, even after the 1988 amendment, was that you had a right to a shotgun, and it was up to them to prove you shouldn't have one. Rifles and pistols you had to prove a need for, and self defence was not classed as a need. This is, of course a gross oversimplification. so I don't want to get into any arguments about the technicalities of the law. 1968 was certainly the first time there was any serious restriction on firearms in general in the UK.
Around 1982, a London police officer came on a ride along with my southwest L.A. area police department. He could not believe how we armed ourselves every day. The idea of carrying a gun was as strange to him as the thought of working unarmed was to us.
My first source of income is being a full time plumber in Tennessee. Around four years ago, my company employed a 24 year old young British man as an apprentice/helper who was only in the states two years prior to his employment and he was completely shocked to find out that every technician who ran a company truck carried a firearm at all times whether it be on personal time, or in the field during work hours. Long story short he quickly developed the desire for meeting up with someone of us co workers at the range on the weekends, attending instructional/safety classes, and he purchased his first Glock 19x about a year and a half ago. Not to mention he’s turning out to be a very good technician and now manages his own company truck.
@@angeldesigns1385 Great story. I love hearing about someone coming to the States and taking full advantage of the opportunities we enjoy and they don't have at home.
@@gtdcoder Yea....what's the point of a gun when you're arresting people over harsh language and mean tweets. Or is it sharia law that doesn't permit anyone in the british populace to be armed?
@@SMGJohnyes those two guys, Fairbairn and Sykes, were ahead of their time. I’d love to see documentaries about what you mentioned; I think they would be exciting. Or better yet a movie about that.
@@paymonm9065 Yeah pretty shocking that there not a movie about the Shanghai Inter-war era police force, considering how many police movies were made in the 70s and 80s in Hong Kong and Shanghai.
@@Sireth not really, in London or Birmingham they might see illegal firearms. But they are few & far between. I've never seen an illegal firearm being used. We certainly don't have anything like the cowboy land US.
@@ndr8469Weeeeeha! Give me my guns baby! Limeys no nothing about our continent, but they judge constantly. It's like colonizing thoughts. We took care of your kind in 1776. Whatever year the constitution was signed.
When I visited London for the first time in 1983 and again in 2023, it was true that the "bobbies" didn't carry guns. BUT, there were military barracks in downtown London, plenty of plain clothes Scotland Yard officers were armed. In 2023 I saw more police carrying rifles than I did in 1983.
Sadly, the terrorist threat has led to more overt carry & armed patrols at Government establishments, Parliament, airports, ports, Royal Palaces etc. The specialist 'Trojan' firearm teams are always available for incidents. Taser has been issued to many more Officers & that has stopped the majority being armed throughout the UK. Forces have specialist teams, basically SWAT. Gun crime is still so rare, thankfully.
@@TheCatBilbo Tasers work less than 30% of the time. A medium weight jacket will render one useless. They would be better off carrying a pocket full of rocks to throw at the bad guys!
6:39 “The girls”. A term and classification affectionately still used in every single precinct in NYC amongst male MOS to this very day to describe to female cops out together on patrol! No NYC cop will ever forget “Rodmans Neck”. It was Heaven and Hell in one place…winter and summer!
“We’re not armed because doing so would lead to criminals being armed” - ok so you let criminals dictate the tempo of how the game is played. What’s the worst that could happen?
This statement is pure bullshit. Criminals don't have guns to fight the police..They are not a revolutionnary party whose goal is to overthrow the government. The criminals want to avoid Police as much as possible as they are interested in making their business with as less as trouble as possible with the authorities. Criminals have weapons to intimidate their victims or other criminals. Even in France where gunfights are common among criminals the arm race is dictated by concurrence between gangs. This statement is pure sophism.
@@deagle2yadome696 yeah the shooting stance theyve been trained to use is kinda old-west-y lol. Still, maybe that's the best way to shoot in a skirt and kitten heels
@@throwback19841 Most variations of the isosceles stance are preferred under modern doctrine especially with the growing adoption of body armor, for the most part the stances we saw used here are actually ahead of their time compared to what was being taught hardly a generation prior in WWII.
Yeah seeing that drill where they just casually walk up to the barricade was kind of funny. So was watching that woman use two fingers to pull the trigger on that double action revolver.
@@seanpetaiaAnd it never will change, there is nothing anyone can do about it 😌 The more they wanna press down on gun owners, the more we buy. Hell I myself have owned a few "felonies" because I care that little for gun laws and there's nothing anybody here nor across the sea can say or do about it.
Things were different back then. Was in London in 2023 and it was very common to see 4 man fire teams armed with M4 and Glock 17 pistols. They were all over the place, especially at night
While working at INS I met a retired Birmingham female police officer going thru US naturalization.She happened to be Sikh. She told me she had been assigned to the worst areas of Birmingham. Her superiors repeatedly refused to arm her and she "worked terrified." Upon being sworn in as a US citizen I hugged her and asked what she planned to do first? Her answer; " Buy a Glock."
The unspoken part is until 1953, concealed carry of firearms in the UK was common and even after, people could get a permit to carry. That meant the police didn’t necessarily have to worry as much when they were surrounded by an army of armed friends.
There's a wild chase that happened in the UK, between 2 unarmed police, 2 armed robbers, and multiple unarmed and armed civilians. There were many hunters as well that were passed during the chase who ignored the police requesting them to assist in the pursuit.
The permit idea was introduced as an unlawful way to legally disarm us. The crime is not having a gun its not having a permit for a gun. This was a perverse legal contortion to get past the Bill of Rights giving us tge right to arms for our defence. It required a corrupt judiciary and politicians to enact it.
Northern Ireland cops always had guns, except for a brief period in the early seventies when they took them off them to try and placate the rebels. It didnt work. It just made it easier for the IRA to kill police. Growing up in the 70s & 80s the police carried a revolver as standard issue and they would usually also have a sterling submachine gun. They had Ruger mini 14 at times as well. Bullet proof vests were worn on duty as well. They were very heavy as they had to resist the m16 armalite round. Most police vehicles were armoured against small arms fire as well. Only traffic police had unarmoured cars.
A few interesting observations about notions of safety in the 60s. The fact that they would have sent a camera operator downrange (before the days of remote cameras) to film back at the firing line while live fire was going on - it certainly didn't seem like the operator was under any sort of cover from the height of the shot. Also, at 2.14 watching the dark jacketed shooter completely flag the supervising officer while reloading his revolver -- insane. There might have been a live round in the cylinder ready to go when he pivoted the gun left. A lot has changed!
In the beginning the average NYC officer, around the 1860s more likely carried a cheap pocket pistol which they privately purchased and their primary weapon was a nightstick made from locust wood. As things changed their weaponry got changed and the departments issued weapons and weapons training. Roosevelt, the then commissioner, made a lot of these changes and likewise other cities and towns followed suit. Even the FBI wasn't armed in the beginning, their agents had to borrow weapons in some cases, but then under J. Edgar Hoover they started being better trained and armed. Police armament in America was always a response to the level of crime the officers faced rather than the officers being armed just out of practice. When drug gangs were reported to be using high capacity handguns, most departments switched from the standard revolvers and started carrying high capacity pistols to match the violence rather than just be outgunned. It actually started back during the 1920s and 30s where gangs were using submachine guns.
The Texas Rangers, who turned 200 years old last year, is one of the oldest and most elite law enforcement agencies in the world. They still buy their own badges, made from a silver Mexican peso, and buy their own sidearm and ammunition. These days, they do mostly scientific investigations and look into government corruption. They also investigate police involved shootings. They are still bad ass though.
It's amazing to me as a trainer and RSO (Range Safety Officer) that it appears that there's no hearing protection on the range, only revolvers are being shown to be trained on, no dividers between shooters and other things that in today's world, I'd have to bar people from the ranges until they had all the proper gear for target shooting. Amazing. Also, back in those days it was different. As another commenter also pointed out, the women had no eye or ear protection on the line and that stance.....OMG! No wonder they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside! Always amazing to see what happened back in history.
The reality in the UK today is that there are armed officers in each patrol area. These three men units are in effect mobile SWAT teams armed with submachine guns.
Purely outside government buildings in large cities and places lots of people pass through quickly (airports, international train stations etc). You don't see armed police walking streets.
Whole career!! 🤣 I got started in ‘87 Met and had my first gun encounter in less than a year! If the Met actually did police work today I reckon it would be a daily occurrence. Thankfully Tony banned guns and now only criminals have them. 🤣
It's so interesting seeing this and comparing it to the discussions today... but more than that, it's interesting to see what things were like back then and compare it to now. I feel saddened to see how much has changed because everyone in this vid from back then seems so sure of themselves and their rights. Now everyone in the US is demoralized and NYC no longer looks like this anymore... It's worse, but that's just my opinion. Edit: Also, love the accents, miss those nowadays, wish we still saw more of them.
Poor baby. Realize that fear and anger sell. So thinking the past was better than the present is what the media wants. No guns, no gun violence. It's not rocket science.
Has the UK ever had considerable gun crime? If not than the restrictions are nothing more than a subjugation mechanism against the populace. The US has issues to substance/organized crime related influences due to it's government's failed prohibitionary policies since the 1920s and generational infrastructural decline in inner city communities. Even then, only a very small portion of the country are violent offenders(the majority being young African American men and smaller fractions from young Latino and White men) while most gun related issues are suicides(not a crime), not homicides.
Nope, crime in the UK has always been considerably lower than the U.S, although lately it's rising rapidly. Used to be the UK was much more gun friendly than the U.S. Anyone, even children or violent criminals, could carry guns openly or concealed and own whatever they wanted. If you've ever seen Peaky Blinders, outside of the violent criminal activity and the wanton discharge of firearms, everything else they were doing was pretty much legal in the time it's set in. And crime in the UK prior to all their gun control was way lower than it is now
A consistent average of gun homicicides in Uk annually is c 40: yes Americans… that’s forty… A YEAR. Most of this are “ youth black on black gang situations “ , then we might have a “husband kills wife and kids “ or similar.. might . Robbery deaths with firearms? Rare in the extreme. You Americans can’t begin to compare our different cultural attitudes to us re arming ourselves+ our police - you have no clue how it works in Reality ( or in Japan/ New Zealand etc )
There's not strict Yes\No answer to the question but I'll try my best to answer it Each time a category of firearm has been prohibited under English law it's been a reaction to an event 1911 Siege of Sydney street in a roundabout way led to the prohibition of citiZen's owning automatic weapons, the 1966 massacre of 3 plain clothes police officers brought about the 1968 firearms act In 1987 the Hungerford massacre saw the banning of semiauto rifles for civilians & again the Dunblane school massacre in 1996 saw the prohibition on most handguns. It's not really seen in political terms with both main parties introducing stricter gun controls, often with huge public support. The "Troubles" also undoubtedly played some role, although you can still obtain a handgun for the purposes of self protection in Northern Ireland but it's not straight forward
Generally the guns in police stock were in bad condition, barely functioning oftentimes. Officers if they needed a gun or felt the desire to carry one were for a long time able to carry their personal arms on duty or go home to retrieve them.
LOL @ some of the subtle oops bits throughout. Using two fingers to pull the trigger on a revolvet, the lack pf hearing protection (and eye protectoon with the female shooters), the HUGE flinch between shots with the shotgun, the UK cop who carries a loaded Webly by just sticking it in his back pocket...
I live in Cleveland! The 7th most dangerous city in America! I can tell you: there is NO Dichotomy between 1st dangerous and 7th dangerous! My parents were born 12 years after this video was recorded! Pretty Facinating stuff!
In Australia police now always carry firearms back in the 1960’s only special squads ie arm robbery or detectives carried firearms, British police I suggest should carry in their vehicles at least a pump action shotgun with non lethal and lethal rounds.
It's a huge part of UK policing culture. Arming police would somewhat destroy the trust the public generally have - police here tend to act much more relaxed and friendly than in the US, and the authority is more a mutual respect than fear. Not arming police is a large part of this. It's a very very cultural thing that would be impossible to change
@@calum5975The only reason it's like that is because you have illegally occupied Northern Ireland, and did that to try and appease the locals. Didn't work very well.
@@calum5975 I know the process in the UK is if an offender brandishes a firearm the police back off and not respond with deadly force, in Australia in the 1970’s unarmed police had to watch/wait for 40 mins for an armed officer arrive to arrest one of Australia’s most wanted criminals.
The problem is that here in Sweden, we have the same view on guns as the British did back then - that it shouldn't be necessary. And while that might have worked back then, and was a great concept, it doesn't hold up now. When you open the borders, and let people move around with no restrictions what so ever, you end up with heavily armed criminals. At that point, you _need_ heavily armed police. There's no two ways about it. Pretending it's 1960, while the criminals are living in 2024 isn't a viable strategy.
"it shouldn't be necessary" Until you're faced with a credible threat to life, limb or liberty. Then it's just what the doctor ordered. (And that includes "mere" civilians. ESPECIALLY "mere" civilians.)
The two situations are not comparable. In the U.S. guns are more readily available where as in Britain guns are very rare. In the U.K. if guns are used in a crime there are armed police personal who deal with those situations. Approximately 5 per cent of all British police are armed, and it takes five years to be trained to become an armed police officer over and above their initial police training. Armed crime is still very rare in the U.K.
It doesn't take 5 years, you have to be out of your probationary period. I've known officers who've gone from probation straight onto specialist teams requiring a shots course
@actually_a_circle I realize. I'm just not sure why it was such a popular uniform style. If you're going to have female police officers you should dress them appropriately.
Last time I saw a police officer in London, he was carrying a HK416 and body armour. Europe is under attack, and our days of peaceful innocence are over.
@@XOFInfantryman I feel so comforted that we have armed tactical units patrolling the street wearing balaclavas, rather than the local bobby. Whatever way you want to look at it, the coppers on my street carry assault rifles. The police here are not "unarmed".
At least I won’t have to hear about how europe is superior anymore. Yeah I get it, the US has a crime problem but it’s mostly concentrated in the cities with melanin afflicted people. It could be fixed without confiscation or banning law abiding people’s property but authoritarians like going about it that way.
"The odds are that the ordinary London policeman will serve his whole career without ever being confronted by an armed criminal". Can't say that anymore. Thank you, diversity!
Nobody considers the fact that England is a about the size of some of our states, not our country. Waiting for the cops to arrive in America is a totally different matter than in England.
This is silly. Your police don't cover the entire nation. You have city and state police, just like we have county police forces. Every city has its own police force in the US. They serve the local area and your response times aren't really and different than ours. The size of the US has nothing to do with it, if Britain was the size of the US it wouldn't matter. Policing is done by the locality.
The comments are wild. The US is not the UK. A person can have entirely the same values and still support different policies across the Atlantic- the circumstances are different.
I remember watching a report on ABC news about the London Metropolitan Police. They interviewed an officer who carried a revolver on duty. I believed that it was an option for those police officers. At the time(1982), ten or eleven percent of officers serving in the London Metropolitan Police were armed. That number probably has increased and the establishment of specially trained and equipped armed police units currently serving today. Every police officer in the world is familiar with firearms. Most have been trained in the military. But, they are aware of their uses. The decision to carry depends on the officer. If they decide to carry a handgun, they must qualify with the handgun.
No eye/ear protection? Two fingers on the trigger? Squatting like they are about to take a dump? When they fire a shotgun, it wouldn't surprise me if the recoil would make them fall over backwards and make them land on their butts. Lets just say this is not how I expected female police officers to be trained.
Even before the US became a country and adopted the Bill of Rights, the then English colonists had more firearms then was common in Britain. This was due to several factors, but the most important was home ownership. Something that was very hard for a working class person to achieve at the time in England was very easy in the colonies. When you have a home you want to protect it, and colonial governments encouraged this because it meant fewer regular soldiers were needed to protect the colony. The ordinary colonists could be mustered as militia when needed. Compare this to the way the Spanish ran their new world colonies. They banned firearms ownership by the common people that came from Spain and had to rely on large numbers of troops to protect the colonies. That worked against them once they ran into the plains indian tribes. They just did not have enough mobile troops to protect the vast swathes of land they were trying to control and the indians murdered the Spanish again and again. They eventually invited American citizens to move to the northern Spanish territories (that later became Texas) because they would be armed and provide a buffer between the Spanish and the Comanche. Additional factors for more British colonists in the new world having firearms then in England were hostile natives, large predatory animals that can eat humans, and a need to hunt to provide food. Hunting in the UK was and still is something rich people do for fun. In the American colonies it was something everyman did to have enough food to survive.
There is an old joke about Harry Roberts. He put a schilling in a phone box and three coppers came out. I was a military dependent in the UK when Roberts was captured nearby Carpenders Park, our quarters. The UK had lots of assets in the capture. Including the RAF Regiment. He was holed up in a "basha" in a Hertfordshire woods. He had been a Para. Going to a small grocery to secure some food.The woman at the store rang the police . He was in the "nick" very soon. This doc aired when we stationed near London. Harry's mom made an appeal in silhouette. An actor pantomimed his mannerisms in a pub. I have thought about this doc for a long time. Here it is.
It's absolutely crazy how inconsistently they all handled their guns. They all look like people who are shooting for the first time before getting any instruction.
Not only is yours not the best way for law enforcement, it's not the best way for free and law-abiding citizens. But you know ... tyrants gonna tyrant.
Now every police car in the US has either a semi or fully automatic rifle, and anytime a police officer is expected to encounter resistance they always have their AR15s drawn.
@@DerWaidmann_ just because the rifles are capable of firing full auto doesnt mean the police are using it that way? Have you shoot an AR full auto? I have! Its essentially uncontrollable and the magazine is empty in a couple seconds.. very unusable for any police force
3:03 And there’s the first difference. Despite everything the media states to the contrary, armed and dangerous criminals are in the minority in the UK. Therefore the minority of police require arming in order to deal with that minority.
Those women have great form, especially with double action snub nose revolvers. The two finger trigger pull was interesting though. Also the lack of ear or eye protection makes me cringe, but it was just a different time.
How quaint!! The British police have come a long way. Many of them now carry firearms. The UK has changed a bit. Like the US, it will only get worse in the UK.
Its way easier to enforce prohibition on an island but what I find interesting is that most of these are in parts of the US with lots of gun regulation (on a state or city level) NYC for example its harder on paper to legally carry a gun than most of Canada but in reality its just a black market.
There are actually a _lot_ of illegal firearms in the UK, especially in the big Cities. In London, the police seize something in the order of 2000 guns per month. There's a cultural difference between the UK and the USA; criminals do have guns in the UK, but they're not often using them. Although, I should also say that there _are_ also a lot more murders in the UK than the public are aware of.
Policing by consent was once a real thing, not just a statement parroted by MPs trying to roll on ever more restrictive speech laws. In Britain there used to be an unwritten understanding between Villains and Police that even armed crims would not intentionally do harm to a police officer. It happened on occasion, but it was very rare. Nowdays with the population especially around our cities being less of the Traditional British character & temperament, no such boundries are respected.
I had to chuckle when I saw the targets at 2:00 or so. The targets I used in my first pistol class four years ago were almost identical to that target drawing (cartoon thug).
Those female NYPD members were my Mom's direct working peers. They still wore the Navy Wave skirt uniform. They are firing 5 shot, .32 caliber pistols, not 6 shot, .38's like the men. That was "the girls gun". The purse the officer describes, actually had a built in holster in the side. The .32 snubnose, in it's own purse. ( Note. About 1980, on the last day that it was "legal" to do so, and long after it had fallen out of fashion, my Mom wore that 1960s skirt uniform to work. Including that purse and .32 pistol. The last Police Officer Female in NYC history, to do so. POF 44 was her Shield # as she was only the 44th woman to work for the NYPD as a Cop. Dad was a Cop too. lol) Those accents, dats figgin Noo Yawk.
My mother was the third woman to be made a full Police Officer in the city of El Paso. Before that they were all like these women, typists who wore skirts and heels.
Things have come a long way.
@@wildbilldurkin1493 Great history.
@@wildbilldurkin1493 : In Germany first official female police officer was about 1910 in Stuttgart, capital of then Kingdom of Württemberg ( nowadays capital of Federation State Baden-Württemberg). Last german City Police was as far as i know Munich up to 1975. Those first female police officer was unarmed, and her uniform was very similar to a nurse uniform. A sidenote: Up to 1890s most german uniformed policemen had only a saber, arming the officers with revolvers/ pistols, mostly .32 caliber, needed astonishingly up to 1913, bureaucracy and the fact , that every german state had a different policeforce. Now the tasks of the noted female officer was speaking with women or children, who became victims, withnesses or suspects. Her second task was to speak with prostitutes, especially with younger ones, to find a way out of Prostitution. The second task caused, that she quit (?) Police service after few years, disputes and troubles with Stuttgart Police chief, and to much work. She founded her own society to help prostitutes into a serious job, what she did as long she could. In 1920s most women in Police service had been only Secretaries or doing similar jobs, also in 1930s, but here and there, had been some expierienced / educated/ intelligent female personal, becomming female ,auxillary officers' , who supported the dectecives branch and had been usually unarmed, or only a blankpistol for pepper/ teargas cartidges. During wartime some uniformed female personal entered service of uniformed Police, but mustly telephone/ radio/ civilian traffic, similar things. Grown up in West Germany i am not informed much about former East Germany, in 1950s first women officialy entered detectives service ( Kriminalpolizei) as regular officers, but only few, and weaponry was at first the noted blankpistols again and then into early 1970s only .25 Acp ( West Germany!). First uniformed female police Personal appeared in late 1980s, nowadays common. Forgotten: Up to 1990s female detectives sometimes had only a .32 Acp pistol, because then most 9mm Luger pistols had been to large for concealed carry under womens wear ( Damenkleidung).
The women shooting with no eyes or ear protection it’s pretty wild
Thats not even the wildest part.... doing that in heels is wild.
For 1960s YES that wild.
Eye and ear protection is new. Was not even used by most in the 60s or even the 70s.
@@matrox when men were men and men went deaf
@@LOLHAMMER45678 so true. I wish I still had my hearing.
Even in Japan, where the safety record is much greater than the UK, the regular beat officer carries a sidearm while on duty.
I support the police not having guns here in the UK. We're the only country with more than 10 million people where the police don't have guns. All the other ones are countries with small populations: Iceland, Norway, New Zealand.
@@ajs41 I'm curious as to why you support it. It only endangers the officers and you
Growing up in Northern Ireland, early 2000s baby it was and still is extremally common to see police on patrol with SMGs with all our police carrying pistols as well both on duty and even off-duty as well for their own protection. Even though N.I is apart of the UK it's very differant to Great Britain for example. I don't think I've ever encountered a police station that does not look like a military base or prison before I came to England so it's a pretty wild difference. Same with seeing police officers who didn't carry any firearms, throughout my head I was thinking "How do they protect people without any guns" when I visited the England as a kid.
@@itsmrbigsmoke862 because he or his family are criminals too. hed rather you be endangered then him for criminal action.
@@ajs41: You have forgotten Ireland. In Imperial Germany up 1890s most policemen only had short sabers, similar to those ones, british policemen used sometimes before wwl. It needed up to 1913 , that every german policeman had a revolver or pistol.
Im afraid those days are gone for the Brits
Yep.... I wonder what changed? 🤔😂
Not really there are specialist fire arms officers now but the average Bobby is unnamed don't for get back then the met and the city of london cider were both totally corrupt root and branch and were able stymie operation countryman
Britain wanted to be like the US and import a bunch of violent individuals and tell them they are free to do whatever they want to.
@@johnstevenson1709 Huh?
Oi! You got a license for stabbin?
I'm all for British police owning firearms so long as we subjects can have them too...
there was a time in England,not so long ago,when one could
Y’all allowed your government to disarm y’all.
There's plenty of firearms that can be owned today in the UK.
You just have a lengthy application process. You can even own straight pull AR15's
Slippery slope.
@@RicArmstrongcan't have a standard capacity semi auto or carry in public😅
Incredible vintage footage from NYC's Rodman's Neck firing range. That cross-draw holster setup and the old shooting stances are awesome to see. Thanks for posting this.
That's the same stance homeless people use when relieving themselves in the subway.
"What would happen if your gun was taken away from you ?"
Me: "I would draw my back up pistol."
So a pistol isn’t a gun ?!! 🤔
@@serenityinside1Look up the word "synonym" in the dictionary.
No joke, it's called a "New York Reload"
Thirty seconds of watching British cops walking around, and then the rest is US cops blasting away on the range. I would love to have heard some interviews of British cops on the subject.
It's about the criminals, not the cops. The British criminals were a bunch of white chavs with the same language and culture with the same moral standards. You could have led them by the ear to their mother and they would have gotten a whooping.
US criminals were either minorities of a separate culture or they may have well been part of organized crime. Even at that point "white" generally only refered to people of Germanic origin. The English tended to all be English.
The majority of U.K police officers are against the arming of all police personal. The real weapon of crime, in the U.K. are knives and a trader beats a knife.
You mean biased toward merica - what a surprise? 🙄
@serenityinside1 Well Merica is the still the best county on earth so yeah.
@serenityinside1 More like the intended audience was British.
They already know about bobbies. The "exotic" armed Americans are more interesting than something they see everyday.
"The officer only uses his weapon to place a suspect in a non retaliating position,
ie: Dead! Lol!
😅
Basically saying shooting to stop the threat
That numbers growing every year but that's what happens when it takes longer to be a hair stylist than a cop.
@@anarchyanna Go be stupid elsewhere.
Ironically in many ways English gun laws were more lax than NYCs at the time of filming.
Interesting point... Before 1988 it probably was more lax in England than NYC.
At the time yes. NYC's gun laws have changed very little over the last hundred years, and have only been relaxed because of SCOTUS rulings.
Before 1968, gun licences in the UK were a mere formality. If I remember correctly, it was just a case of going to the Post Office and paying 2 shillings and sixpence. Then a policeman got shot in Hammersmith, and since then, they have slowly but surely disarmed the civilian population.
@@christopherdean1326 That’s really interesting about the licencing in the UK before 1968! I figured 1988 because, at least from what I read, it seemed as though shotguns were pretty much unregulated. I remember reading they didn’t even need to be registered.
@@AJCzarkowski The basic principle, even after the 1988 amendment, was that you had a right to a shotgun, and it was up to them to prove you shouldn't have one. Rifles and pistols you had to prove a need for, and self defence was not classed as a need. This is, of course a gross oversimplification. so I don't want to get into any arguments about the technicalities of the law. 1968 was certainly the first time there was any serious restriction on firearms in general in the UK.
Around 1982, a London police officer came on a ride along with my southwest L.A. area police department. He could not believe how we armed ourselves every day. The idea of carrying a gun was as strange to him as the thought of working unarmed was to us.
My first source of income is being a full time plumber in Tennessee. Around four years ago, my company employed a 24 year old young British man as an apprentice/helper who was only in the states two years prior to his employment and he was completely shocked to find out that every technician who ran a company truck carried a firearm at all times whether it be on personal time, or in the field during work hours. Long story short he quickly developed the desire for meeting up with someone of us co workers at the range on the weekends, attending instructional/safety classes, and he purchased his first Glock 19x about a year and a half ago. Not to mention he’s turning out to be a very good technician and now manages his own company truck.
@@angeldesigns1385 Great story. I love hearing about someone coming to the States and taking full advantage of the opportunities we enjoy and they don't have at home.
Moral of the story either you are armed or you are compliant
No, the moral of the story is that British police have far more common sense than their American counterparts.
@@gtdcoder Yea....what's the point of a gun when you're arresting people over harsh language and mean tweets. Or is it sharia law that doesn't permit anyone in the british populace to be armed?
@@Akuma3000GTI used to feel sorry for them. I got over it.
@@gtdcoder lol lol lol lol
*cough Rotherham
We.ve definitely come a long way in firearms training and tactics since 1966. I love these videos. Thanks for sharing!
Funny how the Shanghai Fairbairn SWAT team essentially created the modern police tactics we have today, in the 1920s!
@@SMGJohnyes those two guys, Fairbairn and Sykes, were ahead of their time. I’d love to see documentaries about what you mentioned; I think they would be exciting. Or better yet a movie about that.
@@paymonm9065
Yeah pretty shocking that there not a movie about the Shanghai Inter-war era police force, considering how many police movies were made in the 70s and 80s in Hong Kong and Shanghai.
The blonde female officer was some real eye candy 😅
She’s a grandmother or great grandmother now!
Yeah. "Pistol whip me baby!"
@@jeffg.8964 Yup. She'd be around 85 today if she's still around!
@@tonegrail650 My mother is 92 and going strong, has the same figure as in high school, still drives, no ailments. It’s all in the genes.
@@jeffg.8964 GILFs need love to!
"The odds are that the ordinary London policeman will serve his whole career without ever being confronted by an armed criminal."
That aged poorly.
This was before they started importing useless crimina... I mean doctors and engineers.
That just tells me the bobbies would walk around not doing their job.
@@jackboyd9280Britain hadn't been "blessed" with immigration yet back then.
@@Sireth not really, in London or Birmingham they might see illegal firearms. But they are few & far between. I've never seen an illegal firearm being used. We certainly don't have anything like the cowboy land US.
@@ndr8469Weeeeeha! Give me my guns baby! Limeys no nothing about our continent, but they judge constantly. It's like colonizing thoughts. We took care of your kind in 1776. Whatever year the constitution was signed.
When I visited London for the first time in 1983 and again in 2023, it was true that the "bobbies" didn't carry guns. BUT, there were military barracks in downtown London, plenty of plain clothes Scotland Yard officers were armed. In 2023 I saw more police carrying rifles than I did in 1983.
Sadly, the terrorist threat has led to more overt carry & armed patrols at Government establishments, Parliament, airports, ports, Royal Palaces etc. The specialist 'Trojan' firearm teams are always available for incidents.
Taser has been issued to many more Officers & that has stopped the majority being armed throughout the UK. Forces have specialist teams, basically SWAT. Gun crime is still so rare, thankfully.
@@TheCatBilbo Tasers work less than 30% of the time. A medium weight jacket will render one useless. They would be better off carrying a pocket full of rocks to throw at the bad guys!
“The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.”
6:39 “The girls”. A term and classification affectionately still used in every single precinct in NYC amongst male MOS to this very day to describe to female cops out together on patrol!
No NYC cop will ever forget “Rodmans Neck”. It was Heaven and Hell in one place…winter and summer!
“We’re not armed because doing so would lead to criminals being armed” - ok so you let criminals dictate the tempo of how the game is played. What’s the worst that could happen?
This statement is pure bullshit.
Criminals don't have guns to fight the police..They are not a revolutionnary party whose goal is to overthrow the government.
The criminals want to avoid Police as much as possible as they are interested in making their business with as less as trouble as possible with the authorities.
Criminals have weapons to intimidate their victims or other criminals.
Even in France where gunfights are common among criminals the arm race is dictated by concurrence between gangs.
This statement is pure sophism.
And criminals in UK are armed as well, including with guns
@@alexferrana3979 Not nearly as much
@@niono1587 it's a smaller country, so the comparison is void
Yea
6:59 'Do you have a fancy one for your handbag?' 😆
LOL - and the skirts. Wow. That was in 1966.
@@jeffa847really impractical
@@deagle2yadome696 yeah the shooting stance theyve been trained to use is kinda old-west-y lol. Still, maybe that's the best way to shoot in a skirt and kitten heels
@@throwback19841 Most variations of the isosceles stance are preferred under modern doctrine especially with the growing adoption of body armor, for the most part the stances we saw used here are actually ahead of their time compared to what was being taught hardly a generation prior in WWII.
What a dumb question
Times have certainly changed in policing here in the U.S. since 1966. Weapons and tactics, especially, have undergone complete change.
One think that hasn’t change, is Loving of you’re guns. That hasn’t change since 1966.
Those weapons look deadly, even to this day .
@@seanpetaiayou're off by a few hundred years
Yeah seeing that drill where they just casually walk up to the barricade was kind of funny. So was watching that woman use two fingers to pull the trigger on that double action revolver.
@@seanpetaiaAnd it never will change, there is nothing anyone can do about it 😌 The more they wanna press down on gun owners, the more we buy. Hell I myself have owned a few "felonies" because I care that little for gun laws and there's nothing anybody here nor across the sea can say or do about it.
Things were different back then. Was in London in 2023 and it was very common to see 4 man fire teams armed with M4 and Glock 17 pistols. They were all over the place, especially at night
Oh how I remember laughing about British Police when they were not armed “stop or I will say stop again”!
"Do you have a fancy gun for a handbag"😂😂
While working at INS I met a retired Birmingham female police officer going thru US naturalization.She happened to be Sikh. She told me she had been assigned to the worst areas of Birmingham. Her superiors repeatedly refused to arm her and she "worked terrified." Upon being sworn in as a US citizen I hugged her and asked what she planned to do first?
Her answer; " Buy a Glock."
Great answer.
Also the correct answer when in Birmingham (AL), US
ROFL female police officer
Just what the US needs, foreign brown women being our cops
The unspoken part is until 1953, concealed carry of firearms in the UK was common and even after, people could get a permit to carry. That meant the police didn’t necessarily have to worry as much when they were surrounded by an army of armed friends.
Utter rubbish. Nothing in your comment is correct.
There's a wild chase that happened in the UK, between 2 unarmed police, 2 armed robbers, and multiple unarmed and armed civilians. There were many hunters as well that were passed during the chase who ignored the police requesting them to assist in the pursuit.
@@FL_2000O I assume you're referencing the Tottenham Outrage of 1909.
The permit idea was introduced as an unlawful way to legally disarm us.
The crime is not having a gun its not having a permit for a gun.
This was a perverse legal contortion to get past the Bill of Rights giving us tge right to arms for our defence.
It required a corrupt judiciary and politicians to enact it.
@@ninebangtrojan4669 bingo, thanks
No hearing protection on the range....gotta love it.
probably have those foam earplugs
@@1003willy they didn't show up until the mid 70s.
My Step father was a motorcycle cop form the mid 50’s until the late 80. Practically deaf.
I think if you look close you will see they had little foam ear plugs in
With those big goggles on they certainly took eye protection seriously
@@Wes-tg5xwwhat ?
I never knew Peter Woods worked tor ITN.
I wonder what retired cops have possession of those Thomson machine guns?
Northern Ireland cops always had guns, except for a brief period in the early seventies when they took them off them to try and placate the rebels. It didnt work. It just made it easier for the IRA to kill police.
Growing up in the 70s & 80s the police carried a revolver as standard issue and they would usually also have a sterling submachine gun. They had Ruger mini 14 at times as well. Bullet proof vests were worn on duty as well. They were very heavy as they had to resist the m16 armalite round. Most police vehicles were armoured against small arms fire as well. Only traffic police had unarmoured cars.
I wish reporting was this genuine now.
Love the New York accent…oh wait, what are we talking about?
A few interesting observations about notions of safety in the 60s. The fact that they would have sent a camera operator downrange (before the days of remote cameras) to film back at the firing line while live fire was going on - it certainly didn't seem like the operator was under any sort of cover from the height of the shot. Also, at 2.14 watching the dark jacketed shooter completely flag the supervising officer while reloading his revolver -- insane. There might have been a live round in the cylinder ready to go when he pivoted the gun left. A lot has changed!
In the beginning the average NYC officer, around the 1860s more likely carried a cheap pocket pistol which they privately purchased and their primary weapon was a nightstick made from locust wood. As things changed their weaponry got changed and the departments issued weapons and weapons training. Roosevelt, the then commissioner, made a lot of these changes and likewise other cities and towns followed suit. Even the FBI wasn't armed in the beginning, their agents had to borrow weapons in some cases, but then under J. Edgar Hoover they started being better trained and armed. Police armament in America was always a response to the level of crime the officers faced rather than the officers being armed just out of practice. When drug gangs were reported to be using high capacity handguns, most departments switched from the standard revolvers and started carrying high capacity pistols to match the violence rather than just be outgunned. It actually started back during the 1920s and 30s where gangs were using submachine guns.
The Texas Rangers, who turned 200 years old last year, is one of the oldest and most elite law enforcement agencies in the world. They still buy their own badges, made from a silver Mexican peso, and buy their own sidearm and ammunition. These days, they do mostly scientific investigations and look into government corruption. They also investigate police involved shootings. They are still bad ass though.
It's amazing to me as a trainer and RSO (Range Safety Officer) that it appears that there's no hearing protection on the range, only revolvers are being shown to be trained on, no dividers between shooters and other things that in today's world, I'd have to bar people from the ranges until they had all the proper gear for target shooting. Amazing. Also, back in those days it was different. As another commenter also pointed out, the women had no eye or ear protection on the line and that stance.....OMG! No wonder they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside! Always amazing to see what happened back in history.
The reality in the UK today is that there are armed officers in each patrol area. These three men units are in effect mobile SWAT teams armed with submachine guns.
But most of them aren't armed even today.
@@ajs41 True.
But vid talking about beat cops.
Ive seen a lot of armed popos in the UK
In London I noticed that last summer on vacation. There were lots of them around Westminster.
They carry guns now in the UK a lot more than they did in tge past
However only 5% of police in mainland UK are armed
Purely outside government buildings in large cities and places lots of people pass through quickly (airports, international train stations etc). You don't see armed police walking streets.
Whole career!! 🤣 I got started in ‘87 Met and had my first gun encounter in less than a year! If the Met actually did police work today I reckon it would be a daily occurrence. Thankfully Tony banned guns and now only criminals have them. 🤣
I remember in the 60s my Dad was one of the first to carry a .357 Magnum as a cop! 10 years later every cop had one! Lol
bet they wish they had guns now
It's so interesting seeing this and comparing it to the discussions today... but more than that, it's interesting to see what things were like back then and compare it to now. I feel saddened to see how much has changed because everyone in this vid from back then seems so sure of themselves and their rights. Now everyone in the US is demoralized and NYC no longer looks like this anymore... It's worse, but that's just my opinion.
Edit: Also, love the accents, miss those nowadays, wish we still saw more of them.
The British police could only safely do that back then, when Britain was still British.
People always think the past we’re way better than “ today”. This video shows us what reality of the past looks like. 😮
BS
It still is
We were a much safer country in the US back when whites were 90% of the population.
Poor baby. Realize that fear and anger sell. So thinking the past was better than the present is what the media wants. No guns, no gun violence. It's not rocket science.
the thompson 😂
Has the UK ever had considerable gun crime? If not than the restrictions are nothing more than a subjugation mechanism against the populace. The US has issues to substance/organized crime related influences due to it's government's failed prohibitionary policies since the 1920s and generational infrastructural decline in inner city communities. Even then, only a very small portion of the country are violent offenders(the majority being young African American men and smaller fractions from young Latino and White men) while most gun related issues are suicides(not a crime), not homicides.
Nope, crime in the UK has always been considerably lower than the U.S, although lately it's rising rapidly.
Used to be the UK was much more gun friendly than the U.S.
Anyone, even children or violent criminals, could carry guns openly or concealed and own whatever they wanted.
If you've ever seen Peaky Blinders, outside of the violent criminal activity and the wanton discharge of firearms, everything else they were doing was pretty much legal in the time it's set in.
And crime in the UK prior to all their gun control was way lower than it is now
Correct but the democrats will always for the route of punishing everyone
A consistent average of gun homicicides in Uk annually is c 40: yes Americans… that’s forty… A YEAR.
Most of this are “ youth black on black gang situations “ , then we might have a “husband kills wife and kids “ or similar.. might . Robbery deaths with firearms? Rare in the extreme.
You Americans can’t begin to compare our different cultural attitudes to us re arming ourselves+ our police - you have no clue how it works in Reality ( or in Japan/ New Zealand etc )
There's not strict Yes\No answer to the question but I'll try my best to answer it
Each time a category of firearm has been prohibited under English law it's been a reaction to an event
1911 Siege of Sydney street in a roundabout way led to the prohibition of citiZen's owning automatic weapons, the 1966 massacre of 3 plain clothes police officers brought about the 1968 firearms act
In 1987 the Hungerford massacre saw the banning of semiauto rifles for civilians & again the Dunblane school massacre in 1996 saw the prohibition on most handguns.
It's not really seen in political terms with both main parties introducing stricter gun controls, often with huge public support.
The "Troubles" also undoubtedly played some role, although you can still obtain a handgun for the purposes of self protection in Northern Ireland but it's not straight forward
@@FL_2000O Just a reminder. The population of the UK is tiny in comparison to the United States.
British police at the time could sign out a Wembley revolver and the police had a stock of 303 rifles if required.
And a number of 7,65 Browning/ .32 Acp pistols.
*Webley
Generally the guns in police stock were in bad condition, barely functioning oftentimes. Officers if they needed a gun or felt the desire to carry one were for a long time able to carry their personal arms on duty or go home to retrieve them.
They should have kept the guns
Amazing to see this very attractive blonde policewoman. People were not overweight then and looking quite elegant
LOL @ some of the subtle oops bits throughout. Using two fingers to pull the trigger on a revolvet, the lack pf hearing protection (and eye protectoon with the female shooters), the HUGE flinch between shots with the shotgun, the UK cop who carries a loaded Webly by just sticking it in his back pocket...
I live in Cleveland! The 7th most dangerous city in America! I can tell you: there is NO Dichotomy between 1st dangerous and 7th dangerous! My parents were born 12 years after this video was recorded! Pretty Facinating stuff!
Yeah, I wonder who commits all the crimes… but let’s not talk about that.
Physically fit police women training in high heels and skirts. Yeah, times have definitely changed. 😂
Like the last bit from the lass about unloading and safekeeping when asleep.
Seems good advice to me
An unloaded gun is useless. One in a safe is even more useless. It's pointless.
Dont bring a nightstick to a gun fight!!!
5 million rounds, 80% probably missed the target. 😔
This aged like milk...
😂 the stances kills me!!!
In Australia police now always carry firearms back in the 1960’s only special squads ie arm robbery or detectives carried firearms, British police I suggest should carry in their vehicles at least a pump action shotgun with non lethal and lethal rounds.
Suggest all you like - isn’t gonna happen!
It's a huge part of UK policing culture. Arming police would somewhat destroy the trust the public generally have - police here tend to act much more relaxed and friendly than in the US, and the authority is more a mutual respect than fear. Not arming police is a large part of this. It's a very very cultural thing that would be impossible to change
@@calum5975The only reason it's like that is because you have illegally occupied Northern Ireland, and did that to try and appease the locals. Didn't work very well.
@@calum5975 I know the process in the UK is if an offender brandishes a firearm the police back off and not respond with deadly force, in Australia in the 1970’s unarmed police had to watch/wait for 40 mins for an armed officer arrive to arrest one of Australia’s most wanted criminals.
That’s not London now…😂😂😂
The problem is that here in Sweden, we have the same view on guns as the British did back then - that it shouldn't be necessary. And while that might have worked back then, and was a great concept, it doesn't hold up now. When you open the borders, and let people move around with no restrictions what so ever, you end up with heavily armed criminals. At that point, you _need_ heavily armed police. There's no two ways about it. Pretending it's 1960, while the criminals are living in 2024 isn't a viable strategy.
"it shouldn't be necessary"
Until you're faced with a credible threat to life, limb or liberty.
Then it's just what the doctor ordered.
(And that includes "mere" civilians. ESPECIALLY "mere" civilians.)
The two situations are not comparable. In the U.S. guns are more readily available where as in Britain guns are very rare. In the U.K. if guns are used in a crime there are armed police personal who deal with those situations. Approximately 5 per cent of all British police are armed, and it takes five years to be trained to become an armed police officer over and above their initial police training. Armed crime is still very rare in the U.K.
It doesn't take 5 years, you have to be out of your probationary period.
I've known officers who've gone from probation straight onto specialist teams requiring a shots course
Getting arrested over there for not agreeing with trans rights... 😅😅😅
Let’s not compare the 2 please. NYCs population is probably close to the whole population of gb lol
The problem with this Video England is Smaller than The State Of Michigan….
britt puts a 60 year old handgun in his back pocket ... what a joke
Love the interviewer very calmly packing and lighting a tobacco pipe during the interview at 4:28.
THEM STANCES IS WICKED.
What is the unspoken factor? Diversity. The US had diversity, about 10 %, at the same time the UK was virtually 100% none-diverse.
Looks like NYPD came back full-circle, with that (pardon the pun) flat-footed, straight-armed crouch stance.
British police now are kind of like Neighborhood Watch but with premium DLC content.
Those girls handled snub nosed revolvers really well.
The heels seem really impractical for police work
@@Roddy556 alot of countries had uniforms like that 🤣
@actually_a_circle I realize. I'm just not sure why it was such a popular uniform style. If you're going to have female police officers you should dress them appropriately.
Respectfully disagree. Maybe the pretty one was OK, but the other female was shooting very badly.
Did you watch the same video I saw? Because I literally just watched a woman use both index fingers to pull the trigger. 5:55
Last time I saw a police officer in London, he was carrying a HK416 and body armour. Europe is under attack, and our days of peaceful innocence are over.
Ah the white supremacist far mongering.
...
You know those guys are tactical units right? Literal lite SWAT?
😂😂
We dont have swat patrolling the streets
@@XOFInfantryman I feel so comforted that we have armed tactical units patrolling the street wearing balaclavas, rather than the local bobby.
Whatever way you want to look at it, the coppers on my street carry assault rifles. The police here are not "unarmed".
At least I won’t have to hear about how europe is superior anymore. Yeah I get it, the US has a crime problem but it’s mostly concentrated in the cities with melanin afflicted people. It could be fixed without confiscation or banning law abiding people’s property but authoritarians like going about it that way.
"The odds are that the ordinary London policeman will serve his whole career without ever being confronted by an armed criminal".
Can't say that anymore. Thank you, diversity!
The stance, the 2 index finger on the trigger 😳😳 lawd have times change and needed to change
Nobody considers the fact that England is a about the size of some of our states, not our country. Waiting for the cops to arrive in America is a totally different matter than in England.
Yeah, the police show up late and arrest the victim long after they have been repeatedly stabbed.
@@logangodofcandyare we talking in America - where they have far higher rates of stabbing deaths pro -rata ?
This is silly.
Your police don't cover the entire nation. You have city and state police, just like we have county police forces. Every city has its own police force in the US. They serve the local area and your response times aren't really and different than ours.
The size of the US has nothing to do with it, if Britain was the size of the US it wouldn't matter. Policing is done by the locality.
So at the beginning of this video there are 3 Police woman firing in an indoor range....Question " why were they sticking their FANNIES out"?
They're crouching. Presumably to present a smaller target if someone is returning fire.
The comments are wild.
The US is not the UK.
A person can have entirely the same values and still support different policies across the Atlantic- the circumstances are different.
7:10 Classic NYC accent. She said “Pockabook” not Pocketbook.
I remember watching a report on ABC news about the London Metropolitan Police. They interviewed an officer who carried a revolver on duty. I believed that it was an option for those police officers. At the time(1982), ten or eleven percent of officers serving in the London Metropolitan Police were armed. That number probably has increased and the establishment of specially trained and equipped armed police units currently serving today.
Every police officer in the world is familiar with firearms. Most have been trained in the military. But, they are aware of their uses. The decision to carry depends on the officer. If they decide to carry a handgun, they must qualify with the handgun.
Nice pins
It was great growing up in the 1960's and 70's in the UK with extremely low gun or knife crime.
We still have the former - sadly not the latter . Remember “ diversification is our friend “ .. 🙄
No eye/ear protection?
Two fingers on the trigger?
Squatting like they are about to take a dump?
When they fire a shotgun, it wouldn't surprise me if the recoil would make them fall over backwards and make them land on their butts.
Lets just say this is not how I expected female police officers to be trained.
Don't forget because of the 2nd amendment there have always been more guns around in the US. In the UK there were few since the 80s nearly none.
wrong
@@geezerp1982 please explain
Perhaps he means illegal firearms, they are still very much in use by all the gangs and criminals.
@@MackBananas yes I believe that. Just the legal gun owners got their guns taken.
Even before the US became a country and adopted the Bill of Rights, the then English colonists had more firearms then was common in Britain. This was due to several factors, but the most important was home ownership. Something that was very hard for a working class person to achieve at the time in England was very easy in the colonies. When you have a home you want to protect it, and colonial governments encouraged this because it meant fewer regular soldiers were needed to protect the colony. The ordinary colonists could be mustered as militia when needed. Compare this to the way the Spanish ran their new world colonies. They banned firearms ownership by the common people that came from Spain and had to rely on large numbers of troops to protect the colonies. That worked against them once they ran into the plains indian tribes. They just did not have enough mobile troops to protect the vast swathes of land they were trying to control and the indians murdered the Spanish again and again. They eventually invited American citizens to move to the northern Spanish territories (that later became Texas) because they would be armed and provide a buffer between the Spanish and the Comanche.
Additional factors for more British colonists in the new world having firearms then in England were hostile natives, large predatory animals that can eat humans, and a need to hunt to provide food. Hunting in the UK was and still is something rich people do for fun. In the American colonies it was something everyman did to have enough food to survive.
There is an old joke about Harry Roberts. He put a schilling in a phone box and three coppers came out. I was a military dependent in the UK when Roberts was captured nearby Carpenders Park, our quarters. The UK had lots of assets in the capture. Including the RAF Regiment. He was holed up in a "basha" in a Hertfordshire woods. He had been a Para. Going to a small grocery to secure some food.The woman at the store rang the police . He was in the "nick" very soon.
This doc aired when we stationed near London. Harry's mom made an appeal in silhouette. An actor pantomimed his mannerisms in a pub. I have thought about this doc for a long time. Here it is.
LOL, from the brief shots of the Bronx range, doesn't seem like too much has changed since that day. Firing .38's with no ear protection is crazy.
:10 great recoil control
It's absolutely crazy how inconsistently they all handled their guns. They all look like people who are shooting for the first time before getting any instruction.
Not only is yours not the best way for law enforcement, it's not the best way for free and law-abiding citizens.
But you know ... tyrants gonna tyrant.
Now every police car in the US has either a semi or fully automatic rifle, and anytime a police officer is expected to encounter resistance they always have their AR15s drawn.
Which is a far better weapon then a revolver or a shotgun especially with modern optic attached.
Full auto is not used by any police department
@@someonewithafox Ever hear of S.W.A.T.?
@@DerWaidmann_ just because the rifles are capable of firing full auto doesnt mean the police are using it that way? Have you shoot an AR full auto? I have!
Its essentially uncontrollable and the magazine is empty in a couple seconds..
very unusable for any police force
@@mats7492 When did I ever claim that police officers are USING fully-automatic fire?
3:03 And there’s the first difference. Despite everything the media states to the contrary, armed and dangerous criminals are in the minority in the UK. Therefore the minority of police require arming in order to deal with that minority.
Those women have great form, especially with double action snub nose revolvers. The two finger trigger pull was interesting though. Also the lack of ear or eye protection makes me cringe, but it was just a different time.
"Racial disturbance" Some things never change. 1:13
😂😂😂😂😂 merica and its gun sickness
7;10 good to see basic common sensr with gun safety is not a recent concept
The 1960's, back when the British Government thought everyone loved them.
Love those high heels on the female New York police officers. Ridiculous.
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Sadly, it looks like these days are over even in the UK.
Meanwhile in the USA the police have MRAPs!
Most police in the United States patrol in Ford Explorer or Dodge Durango SUVs. Some in Dodge Chargers.
How quaint!! The British police have come a long way. Many of them now carry firearms. The UK has changed a bit. Like the US, it will only get worse in the UK.
Get your facts right genius : 5% carry guns 🙄. Or is that what passes for a majority in American “education “. ?
Its way easier to enforce prohibition on an island but what I find interesting is that most of these are in parts of the US with lots of gun regulation (on a state or city level) NYC for example its harder on paper to legally carry a gun than most of Canada but in reality its just a black market.
There are actually a _lot_ of illegal firearms in the UK, especially in the big Cities. In London, the police seize something in the order of 2000 guns per month.
There's a cultural difference between the UK and the USA; criminals do have guns in the UK, but they're not often using them. Although, I should also say that there _are_ also a lot more murders in the UK than the public are aware of.
Same with Australia
Policing by consent was once a real thing, not just a statement parroted by MPs trying to roll on ever more restrictive speech laws. In Britain there used to be an unwritten understanding between Villains and Police that even armed crims would not intentionally do harm to a police officer. It happened on occasion, but it was very rare.
Nowdays with the population especially around our cities being less of the Traditional British character & temperament, no such boundries are respected.
Work in Los Angeles as a cop like me and dont carry a gun. You'll be carried by 12 instead
Are you really that fat?
Good luck with the mescans!
TheHaydena76- It’s mostly the blecks
I had to chuckle when I saw the targets at 2:00 or so. The targets I used in my first pistol class four years ago were almost identical to that target drawing (cartoon thug).
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