NCT Vocal Ranking 2022 + Mini Analysis
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
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imma just leave this one out and take a break from making videos for a while cuz my finals is coming 💀 anyways searching for Jungwoo's clips is such a pain. SM please let him sing more than 5 seconds. Also stan NCT for clear skin and good grades
Edit: Seems like I'm getting attacked by some stans 😅 yall should chill before labeling someone on the internet racist or xenophobe. That just sounds like an easy way of saying "I know nothing about vocals but I disagree so I'm gonna make you look bad". It's okay to disagree with people and be civil but it's not nice bullying random people online 😅
ohh good luck, I wish you luck and study well, hope you do your best and ace it 🙏✨
anyways this is such an unexpected video cause NCT's size can compare to like a whole generation of counted vocalists on the chart 😭
oh wait, for a sec I thought this was the whole NCT 🤣 but still, NCT is a lot of work 🧍
@@eternalregard lmaooo but imagine if i did for the whole group 💀 the vid would be an hour long help-
anyways thanks
Yuh
@@himi_ what do you think of mark?? I saw somewhere that he have shallow support up To E4
finally an appreciation for jaehyun's vocal, his voice and vocal range always amaze me, but people and even nctzens always doubt it and forget that jaehyun is officially one of nct's main vocal since their debut in 2016.
Jaehyun was under appreciated in almost every nct's vocal ranking video that i ever watched.
so, thank you so much, himi
ps: sorry for my poor english
nct 127 having taeil, doyoung, jaehyun, jungwoo and haechan is kinda insane😭 extremely strong vocal line up
EXACTLY
127 is simply on a whole other level its crazy
And 127 get rap based songs 🤣
@@myheartwillgowonandon5467 😭😭😭 but their high notes be insane in those songs
@@dollydoie yeahhhh my voice cracks even listening to them 😭😭
Jaehyun is so under appreciated by fans and under utilized by the company it’s insane :( Just bc he can’t belt out and isn’t a light tenor :/
They legit turned Jaehyun into more of a rapper which is seriously annoying. Jaehyun is potential personified. Man’s literally ignored by SM and he’s still NCT’s third best vocalist and he can definitely keep improving
@@scars5505I agree. I love that Jaehyun's all around talented that he can rap while also being a main vocal but I hate that they make him rap more than sing at this point.
@@johnjaemarried9863Right, his rapping is cool since pre-debut. I really love when he sings in Yoo Young Jin style like Coming Home and Without You, it is very full.
I feel bad for Doyoung, Jaehyun and Jungwoo cuz they're criminally under appreciated as vocalist in ncity. Doyoung is easily 2nd strongest vocalist of NCT with very small gap with Taeil, but I've seen many ppl placing haechan or even renjun in 2nd place, even if many accept him as 2nd they still act like there is huge gap between them. JaeWoo having it even wrost like they're 90% time ranked below dream members. I blame SM for this, they should give them Main and lead vocal moments instead of treating like rapper and sub vocalist.
@@xdkkkdlifkfkk821The Gap is very small, I assure you.
who's placing rj at second zamn
Okay i have a theory about that matter.
It's a well known fact that people hype Haechan for literally breathing and praise his vocals all the time but i've always thought it's because of his tone, his voice is extremely distinguishable even when vocal coaches or musicians react to NCT they always notice Haechan first because of his noticeable tone and i guess that's why fans think he's the best. So yeah Haechan's strongest asset is his tone. As for Renjun, it's his emotionality, he really portrays emotions very well and i prefer him in that matter over anyone in NCT, also it corresponds well to his personality so the effect is doubled for fans. Haechan and Renjun are my ult biases in NCT but vocally Doyoung is definitely superior and i guess people don't notice that because he's not as entertaining as Haechan or as emotional as Renjun but also his tone doesn't really stand out even though his voice is very rich and thick. I believe in order to appreciate Doyoung's vocals one really need to pay attention to him and listen to many songs especially bsides simply because 127 songs especially title tracks are rap heavy and vocalists don't get that much opportunity to shine thus you automatically assume that they aren't that strong unlike Dream songs which are more vocally oriented giving the vocalists many opportunities to shine and that's why Haechan and Renjun are more appealing and appreciated by fans i guess. I'm gonna have to admit that i thought little of Doyoung actually of NCT 127 vocal line except for Tail because of the above mentioned reason and it's only recently that i've come to appreciate Doyoung's vocals.... I guess i understand where your frustration coming from
As for Jaehyun, it's because we've cornered him in the visual zone and SM didn't help by giving him more rap lines than vocal lines. Jungwoo on the other hand doesn't get enough lines to be appreciated in the first place and he's so immersed in being the funny guy of the group that we're forgetting how beautiful his voice is. I hope that changes one day
Hopefully with this new dojaejung subunit they will get to show off and shut some people up
one thing about doyoung is that he keeps improving and doing his absolute best, he loves singing and he isn't joking about it
Taeil is such an asset to NCT. And Jaehyun is such an underrated vocalist. This man is a true all rounder! Love the video. Naysayers can bark all they want but your analysis is still valid 💚
He was such an asset but he had to ruin that for lust
We can see how much Jungwoo and also Jaehyun improved in the perfume album release (Dojaejung Unit), especially Jungwoo. I can't be more proud to stan NCT 🥺✨
it's amazing how doyoung keeps on improving himself through the years i can see he truly loves and enjoy music and i wish jaehyun could show his vocals more because i like his voice colour
just dropping by again just to say that Jaehyun is criminally underrated as a vocalist.
anyway, who has the most developed lower register in NCT? I doubt that there's anyone who has a proficient low register but then again, I'm not an expert. Thank you so much!
I'm more inclined to say Jaehyun. Taeil has potential to be the best but he rarely sings below D3 for me to figure out properly
Not outstanding but they both have decently developed lows
edit: after much consideration Taeil > Jaehyun.
@@himi_ thank you very much for the reply!!! also, if i may ask, i read somewhere that mark has potential to support? lol that guy really is full of surprises. how's mark's singing? of course it won't be as refined as the vocalists since he's the main rapper, but my interest is piqued because his singing voice is nice +++ guy's really talented hahaha thank you again!
@@hera_omelette yeah Mark has potential. He is able to somewhat carry shallow support below E4.
@@himi_ who is better between he and ten?
@@RafaelMartins-lf5qk Ten by a small margin
Taeil voice is sooo powerful I don't know how to say but it is so dense! He's like a powerhouse.
I thought it was just me who noticed that Taeil's voice has been different from his rookie days. I first noticed this change probably during or after their Regular album where he strains his voice a lot on their songs. He's my bias but I'm no expert in this field so I just didn't dwell on it a lot even though I was quite disappointed. And he was also doing it until NCT2020 especially in Faded in my Last Song (my fav track from the album btw) so yeah... but I'm glad that he was able to overcome it and based from their uncut videos, he's also still experimenting and researching to make his voice sound better.
don't really know much about vocal technique but damn taeil has been sounding so good from the sticker era, so glad we no longer have the throaty(?) nasally mix from kick it album and doyoung too has been sounding good esp in the musical clips (ig the training paid off), kind of shocked to see both renjun and chenle ranked lower than ten but I would've love to see more explanation on that one. thanks for the video!! must've been tough searching for all the clips
The lowest tier with chenle, renjun and ten isn't ranked though. It says so on the explanation slide before the ranking starts.
Jaehyun is underrated in everything except for his visual
Taeil is far from being a perfect vocalist but you can’t deny he’s still the best in NCT at the moment.
It's true that he has excellent vocals but we saw that the same is not true for his character
Read through the comment and... yeah, as expected,,, nctzens degrade Jaehyun's vocal as usual thinking he's not a main vocalist...
His voice is wonderful, charming, full of passion and feelings, Xiaojun's vocal abilities and his control over his voice show his professionalism and high capabilities.
one day i hope the nct producers can let jungwoo explore more with his voice and don’t just confined him into the soft vocal range. the way he sings in goodbye, his stages of balloons and walk with woojuho, and when he did ten’s part for their beautiful stage were really good and shows he has the potential to do stronger vocals but we don’t get chances to see it. i think the main reason why nctzens doubt his vocal abilities a lot is because he’s always singing in the more cutest and higher range. Not to mentioned the first time we ever heard jungwoo hit a high note was in the snow prince stage and that’s not even an nct song. i hope he can get more opportunities to showcase his vocals.
as a xiaojun fan i really want to apologize for the idiots hating on you in the comments, your analysis was very objective and fun to watch, thanks for the video!!
I love your honesty. I love your honesty. I love your honesty. Channels like this keep me on UA-cam. As someone who doesn't know anything about singing I learned a lot from your videos. Good luck for your finals. 🍀
I love Doyoung's A4 in Maniac
People need to give Jaehyun more credit literally the third best singer in nct yet so underrated
Third best singer in NCT? Nah. However, he is an extremely talented vocalist and I agree with you that he is way to underrated.
@@mateobanda6808 Nah, he is. His quality of support speaks for itself. All the guys under him, minus Xiaojun, are shallow at best and can't connect their cords properly for a grounded sound.
A lot of people are undermining Jaehyun's ability just because he's a baritone and doesn't hit high notes that often compared to the members. But technically he's actually one of the more consistent with his support.
@@KM-go7ys He's not a baritone. Just not a light lyric tenor like the other guys.
@@eddyjacx5622 Really? I see a lot people refer to him as a baritone though.
Jungwoo no.5 yasss, i hope sm bring back jungwoo vocal like boss nct u
I am not shocked that NCT 127 has the best vocal lineup in the NCT. Jaehyun as a main vocalist I wish he was given more lines. Also, Jungwoo I am impressed. Before we barely had any material to give him a rank but since his hiatus he's slowly been improving and singing here and there. Jungwoo one of the member that gets barely any lines but still being number 5. You can tell Jungwoo he has so much potential.
Just came back here and not at people pitting Jungwoo and Haechan against each other. I know that they are quite good and but in my opinion this shouldn't be who is better but how both of them can improve in certain areas. I would like an idol who grows instead of someone stagnant both of them are young and have plenty of opportunities. Fans beginning an endless conversation of talking whose better and not the severity of them having to learn to support properly is a big no for me. The content creator may not be the best but you can see that he/she is trying by providing some info and data which pertains to the idol's current ability and just because it shows that they support quite shallow right now, it doesn't mean that the creator degrades their ability. If you guys don't have anything good to comment make your own content and not start an unwarranted fight just to make your faves look better.
it's cruel that jaehyun doesn't get alot of singing lines
I totally understand if someone will question Jungwoo's vocals. But why is jungwoo always underrated in terms of singing? because SM didn't give him enough lines and SM didn't highlight his voice. I'm sure if Jungwoo was given the same portion he would also be able to do it. Like when his part was in boss, favorite, universe, even in the goodbye song, and the MC's special appearance in the music core. He can always do it very well, from low to high notes. So please stop the hate speech against him. All members have their own unique vocals.
Bruh jungwoo is actually so good in singing wtf y SM hiding that shi
right and he's one of the best dancers too. he's so underutilized
cause there’s too many members and he was introduced too late 😭😭
@@e.l3046 hmm i wouldn't say that it's because he was introduced too late since he actually got many singing lines in his debut song (boss). it's just that sm prefers vocal color more than technique (e.g. giving haechan most lines and maybe doyoung even though taeil is a better vocalist). even yuta (low weak vocalist) gets more lines than jungwoo
@@v0mjt1 jungwoo has one of the most unique vocal colors in the entire group tho 😭
@@e.l3046 right his voice sounds really good, but maybe the producers really prefers haechan's uniqueness. i hope they start showing off his skills properly bc everyone on ncity think he's a dozen and doesn't deserve to be in the top 5 best vocalists 😭
love this video analysis! nctzens in general should really try to listen more to jh's singing clips to see how unexpectedly good his technique is. love his cover of something's wrong in his drama so much.
i wish people would give more credit to xiaojun's vocals! i loved his vocals during their universe promotions, more so during his recent lee mujin service guesting. it's insane how he manages to outdo himself despite being this good already!
i completely understand he could be overshadowed by taeil, doyoung, jaehyun (etc) bc nct boasts a solid vocal line. i just hope more people come to appreciate wayv's main vocal. 🥺
I wouldn't call NCT's vocal line impressive, maybe for 4th gen but that's just my opinion lol. But yeah Xiaojun needs to be given his flowers. I think it'd be nice to have a NCT U song with the top 4 vocalists for some really nice vocals
@@findunjeu Stop lying to yourself lol NCT’s vocal line is indeed impressive, doesn’t matter from which generation they are.I am surprised Chenle and Renjun were not included here as well.
@@fireproof2767 i think I was a bit harsh on them lol, yeah I guess they're good for gen 3 too. Chenle and renjun are kind of not very impressive though, like personal feelings aside many people have pointed out their lack of development and skill. They (renjun, chenle Kun) are the worst main vocalists SM has had by a large margin
Xiaojun was a guest on Lee Mujin's (I think it's just called Lee Mujin Service) show for the episode today and I feel like his support in those covers he did was more solid than before but I'm not entirely sure since I seem to be pretty bad at detecting support haha (but it sounded healthier somehow)
I also felt the same. I even think he's better than Jaehyun now.
If Twitter nctzens find this...🥴
But great video, the descriptions were very specific and accurate.
I hope I don't get cancelled for this 💀🙏
@@himi_ You might get more heat for the tier names than the order tbh. Locals want the best singer in the group to always be called great or excellent lol.
especially with haebear. i love him but his fans are quite insane
@@cutiieeepatootieee2002 💀 Nctzens in general aren't the most vocally literate fandon but I agree his stans are...next level.
@@eddyjacx5622 I got threatened because I said "Haechan is annoying 😂" in a joking manner lmao, even though clearly in the clip he actually was quite one. They told me the word "annoying" is an insult, like what bruh??
Another thing is when Haechan doesn't win in a game, his stans will say that other NCT members hate him.
When he doesn't get the most lines, it's also other members' fault.
Don't go to Twitter y'all
Okay but honestly I'm not a fan of Jungwoo soft vocal, like what something that should I sacrifice to getting Boss Jungwoo back 😭
This. Boss Jungwoo sounded solid. What happened lol
boss jungwoo came to slay us once and dip back into the dungeon 😭
WE NEED HIM BACK SO BAD 😭😭😭 I know he would still be alive if Jungwoo was in another unit 😭😭
@@himi_ fr, if only Jungwoo were consistent with his vocal during Boss era, I believe he would be closer to Xiaojun rather than Haechan. I wonder what makes him stop using that placement after he joined NCT 127, because he seems not regressed either (like there are some very very rare moments where he sounded like Boss era when he is not singing overly soft).
@@himi_I want to ask why Jungwoo is a bit superior than Haechan? I sent this to my friend but he did not believe it. He said the reach of Haechan's support is wider
Jungwoo: F3 - Eb4/E4
Haechan: E3/F3 - Eb4/E4
Jungwoo deserves better 😭😭😭 the “severely lacks singing content” explains it all :/
SM has to stop with the Britney shit and need to let Boss Jungwoo take over again 😭😭
Before watching the video I know ma boy taeil will be the best
Fyi, jungwoo always incharge as main vocalist in non nct collab stage! Love his vibrato n sweet vocal!
the regressing on taeil's voice back then was the main reason why i tend to dislike his voice but im glad he overcame it ! doyoung has been improving since his musical days and i cant wait to see him progress since he's the type to really push his limits and improve
Hii, I don't rly know anything about vocals so can you give an example of times Taeil's regressing? I want to compare it to his better era to see if i can recognize the difference💚
@@pandariri2694 i'm late but as you can see from taeil's analysis here i mentioned his regression (late 2019~early 2021). It's mostly noticeable during Kick It and Resonance era. Kick It especially, if you listen to Taeil's high notes in the bridge, he was straining for his life on the A4. Now compare it to the ones on this video: 13:01 ~ 13:08
Taeil Kick It era would've strained these notes
model answer: 2 main vocals of NCT 127
i appreciate your video :) i'm not a vocal expert but my objective ranking pretty matches with yours. also, i'm really hyped for dojaejung unit! i hope you will make a video about their vocals when their album comes out ♥
NCT = TALENTO 💚🛐
I'm living for the severely lacks singing material with Jungwoo lol. Always love your work hope you stay for a long time.
I could die if I hear Doyoung vocals in live
To me Xiaojun is the best yet he's been underrated ❤
Even Yuta is not part of this video, I still love his openness!!!
Jungwoo and Jaehyun will join V and Sunoo in the slandered-in-the-vocal-ranking-comment-section cemetery soon. 💀
Leave jaehyun out of it
@@hani2558 Lmao it was supposed to be a joke. 💀
Good video👍🏻
Taeil is the best❤️
All I know is without jaehyun their songs become bland
Love this always here for Nct vocal discussion! I do have some questions
- What makes you think Jaehyun is a low tenor not a Baritone? Also with the amount of supported G4s shouldn't his range be F#4/G4? Or is it because of the tightness in his support range you still can't give it to him yet?
- What would Taeil need to do to be AA-Proficient? Just less tension & nasality or showing some resonance? Cause I get Doyoung even though he's consistent with A4s his placement is a major technical issue that's why he's still AA
- I still can't get over Chenle when I first heard him I seriously thought he was way better than he actually is, cause like he's way more open/relaxed and less shallow than the rest of the weak tier and even Haechan, but Haechan def improved lately so I understand that now. His voice fools you at first but yea still love my baby boy though
- Just his vocal weight in general doesn't resemble a typical baritone imo. If you listen to his F#4~G#4 they don't sound baritone-ish. He also gets very muffled below C3 which is unlikely for a baritone. I'd wait for more material to give F#4/G4. Most of these G4s are fairly recent. And it's only there when he tries. Otherwise, he can be a bit tight on F#4 as well, if that makes sense.
- Yeah I think just less tension, nasality, and tightness should bring Taeil closer to AA-P at least. Because it can be apparent even on his mid range, kinda like Yuju.
I feel like Haechan could do better than what he is doing right now if he tried to being less stylistic and focus more on techniques. I like his voice a lot but I can hear his struggle in NCT songs how he is constantly given parts that are beyond his capabilities. It would be amazing if he could improve taking those challenges seriously.
His nasality doesn't sound nice to me, yet many fans like this voice.
@@fangirlmode8705 I actually really like his voice when he sings within his range. It's very unique and was what drew me to NCT songs in the first place. For me, his main problem is his limited range and lack of polished/technical aspects in his singing which makes it a bit boring when he sings the entire song, even for someone like me who loves his voice. Example: Good Person. But when he sings a few lines in NCT songs, I really enjoy his voice.
People are so rude claiming all kinds of stuff without having a counter argument even if you disagree (because you know nothing about vocal technique) you don't have to be so mean about it... very nice video btw
I'm late lol
Urghh we need more Jungwon's singing,he might have F4s down if there's more materials 👀
Dreamzens would definitely go mad once they see this 😬💀
Personally I won't lol, like I know they are capable to doing all of the vocal task in Dream which is amazing and impressive on its own but neither from them are outstanding technical vocalists lol.
OH MY GOSHHHH, so thankful for the video!!! Personally, your channel is one of my most favorite sources of vocal technique, the criteria and standard are really close to KVA. Though many people are paying too much attention to the 4th generation girls, I'd love to know more about NCT members' improvement and your videos totally satisfied me!!!
love videos like this! v interesting for someone with very little knowledge on this!!! random but i wonder if taeil's regression had anything to do with no live performances bc of covid or like pre 2019 strain. also random but i love jungwoo's moments with support...wish they'd put more of that in the actual songs
Could be. He started showing signs of "regression" after the Superhuman tour. I think Taeil's voice got a bit worn out during that time which made him try less and his stylistic habits got worse
I don't get why haechan doesn't push to get a better technique. He is one of the members with most lines so i would have thought that sm would have pushed for him to have a vetter technique? Is it because he is already too busy? Or is it a stylistic choice meant to preserve his vocal colour or something like this?
And another question. If for example haechan and the dreamies lack so much in vocal support and technique why do they sound so much better live than many other idols who share the same tier with them????
I don't know much of vocal technique and i struggle to find people who do and are objective and can answer to my questions. So i would really appreciate a lot an answer if you have time! I really loved the video by the way
I could not say that his stylistic choice prevent him to enhance his techniques. The reason is his overall engagement especially his nasality issues and mix. Haechan can sing live better and even the Dreamies, because sm trained their artists to sound stable as better as they can. For example, EXO's Xiumin, SUJU's Donghae and Shinee's Key, even they are lacking of better techniques, but they are sound good. It is merely because of their style and stability.
There are also singers that due to their overemphasize on stylistic choice, their techniques have been drowned. These are NCT's Doyoung and BTS's Jungkook as i have known. But nowadays, these two singers are now more focused on their techniques than their stylistic approach.
well yeah, he must be awfully busy unfortunately... and idk. He probably doesn't think it's necessary atp. He's been an idol for 6 years now and no one's ever told him he has to sing "properly" so I don't see that changing any time soon.
Can't believe I'm saying this but out of all members, haechan is kinda justified in not being as good as a vocalist as he could be
1. He has been popular.
2. He is handsome.
3. He is from SM.
4. He is 2nd SM's favorite vocalist in NCT after Doyoung.
5. This is World of KPOP Idol. Why are you so serious in singing? Singing is not the only one key to get success in KPOP. In KPOP, you can be popular and rich for being agency's favorite, attractive in personality, good dancer, top visual and aegyo.
6. Lipsync, autotune, backtrack, prerecorded are exist.
7. Thanks God, 80% KPOP fans are minor who don't know anything about singing.
But he doesn't-
i always love your analysis!!!!!
I agree with you on the "airy" and "nasal" part. But honestly, it's not only NCT who sing like that. Almost all kpop singers sing like that. I don't know if it's really their way if singing or they're asked to sing like that. I don't know. Tgey even have this habit when they end their notes, it's like they're pulling their voice, or what. It's like there's a click on the end. And it's so annoying. I don't want to generalize it coz I don't get to really hear each of their voices, with the number of members in a group who only get to sing a few lines, not unless they are the lead or main vocalists in the group.
This is just my opinion so please no bashing.
XIAOJUN IS THE BEST. THAT'S IT!!!
Couldn’t agree more with this list. Keep analyzing!
Hi Himi thank you for making such an objective analysis, I love your videos! Please continue making these I learned a lot more about singing techniques 🥰
I find it funny that there are many people in the comments who disagreed with your analysis but when they were asked to provide their evidences/proofs to back their statements, they didn't have any ☠️
thanks for watching! the comments have been harsh and rough 💀 but i survived lol
@hityouwitdatdudududududu sorry i probably wont. Not really familiar with their vocals so I'm not confident on doing it for them :(
why everyone is angry when people are telling the truth? i like this ranking... this is actually how people supposed to be ranking vocals.. and it was included in the video that this is a OBJECTIVE ranking... not base on your faves or what.
I don’t know anything about singing so this was super interesting to watch! Surprised to find that some of the members were placed above the members who’s vocals are always talked about. Hopefully sm will let those members shine more in the vocal department for future songs!
the delusional czennies finding this 💀
praying for you himi 🙏
Too late. I got attack left and right 💀
i'm curious what you mean by doyoung's placement and chest coordination during predebut being significantly better? i guess i'm still not sure what it means to have good placement or chest coordination-- do you have an example where it shows it being better predebut vs now?
basically having good placement by properly projecting your voice forward allows for a much free-er and louder sound if that makes sense. but if you are not projecting your voice correctly, you'll end up sounding stuck and constricted most of the time. that's the case for doyoung. instead of projecting his voice forward, he's almost singing at the back of his throat. try comparing this high note 9:53 to the one in magic carpet ride 10:13. same note but you can hear how the second one sounded a bit stuck and not as free. it's better than the studio version though. the studio version sounded wayyy stuck and small. or compare it to 9:44. not exactly the same note but you can hear how it does not have that forward sound as the one during pre debut
mixing/belting involves the blending of chest voice and head voice. doyoung's mix is more on the headier side as it lacks proper chest coordination. it is not necessarily a bad thing to have a headier mix but it does hinder him from achieving a stronger, fuller sound.
compare this F#4 ua-cam.com/video/TSVsATN_bnw/v-deo.html (probably his best F#4 ever. very strong and full sounding)
to this ua-cam.com/video/9BOQjbzn7mU/v-deo.html at 3:42
notice how it's more light sounding compared to pre-debut as doyoung's mix went from a more balanced with good chest coordination to light and heady post debut.
@@himi_ oooh yes I see! thank you so much for the examples :D
great vid as always! the rankings weren't really a surprise except i think there'd be a lot of fan outrage putting jungwoo and haechan on the same tier 😂. i love the lowest tier vocalists but i wish they improved their technique lol
Is it possible for you to update this ranking??? Because I think there has been improvements with the members and they have more singing vids for reference, esp jungwoo..
Well only if the ranking has changed once you re-analyse it.☺️
if himi updates this, jw will be even lower since the new nct members are miles better than him
@@alexaaxim6782Jungwoo would likely only drop a place due to Jaehee
@@alexaaxim6782Jungwoo will drop only one place because Jaehee is number 3 now (1. Taeil, 2.Doyoung 3. Jaehee 4. Jaehyun 5. Xiaojun 6. Jungwoo) and Jungwoo improved a lot so his vocal tier will change a bit.
@@alexaaxim6782 ua-cam.com/users/shortsddkYZ7eSrHc?si=0dCLHXDcOI6NfP-D
Has your opinion on Xiaojun's ranking changed since his guest appearance on Leemujin? Not looking for a fight, just honestly wondering...
I haven't watched the full video yet but I did came across some short clips people post on Twitter. There are some nice moments from him but nothing that would suggest me putting him above Jaehyun yet.
@@himi_ From my own observation after watching that video I think he has improved, he sounds a lot more consistent and stable, especially his Ashes cover. But I'm no vocal expert so it would interesting to gain your perspective.
@@himi_ he sounded much healthier now than ever. His ashes cover is now my fav cover from him. I think it's safe to say he's better than Jae now.
@@savage_girl_07Nah he's still floppy when belting above F#4
i can only trust taeil & doyoung being 1st & 2nd. idk abt the rest..
Ranking from 1st to 6th is right
Other 4 are randomly chosen besides kun who is the weakest vocalist in nct and didn't include yuta and mark
i think xiaojun's nasality is a stylistic choice so i don't mind it. but would you say the biggest thing holding him back from being placed over jaehyun is his lower register/chest voice? wish he would train it more but his lines in wayv are mostly adlibs or high notes so i don't think it's a priority for him....
Yeah i guess you could say that cuz he isn't always nasal unlike Haechan for example.
Indeed, Jaehyun has way more developed lows but also a relatively fuller mix which put him above Xiaojun.
I would like a song from only jaehyun his voice is the best
Don't know if you've heard his cover...ua-cam.com/video/xEKlhTV2HYI/v-deo.html. It's chef's 💋.
Not much to say about the ranking because we have the exact same one from W-A onwards. (I have no ranking for the ones in W tier.) So, I'm actually curious about what you think of NCT vocalists in terms of their agility. They're a little underwhelming tbh, but I think Taeil has done some pretty decent albeit simple runs. Maybe we'll hear more from him during the concert.
Yeah the only one who has "decent" enough agility in the group is Taeil. He can execute simpler ones somewhat fine. But it gets messy from there.
Haechan has a few okay simpler runs, in studio at least. But the live attempts.... well he just slides through them lol
Taeil's agility is chef's kiss. Who doubt him in term of agility? Lets we have conversation
**hard stan mode on**
**lol**
Check Taeil's runs in Back 2 U Rearranged Version in 127 concert last night. He was doing riffs & runs F4-A4-G#4-A4-G#4 when belting to C5
(CMIIW, im bad in pitch lol)
@@avril5757 Taeil's runs aren't bad. I liked the ones in Paradise and some of the ballads. But once it gets fast, it gets a bit troubling. The ones in Back 2 U are alright too, but I wouldn't say they're fast. He gets sloppy on the more complex ones (Blow My Mind for example). Keep in mind that for these vocalists, your cord development still plays a role for how agile you could be so I'd say his agility is still not as developed as Baekhyun/Taeyeon ish, but it's decent enough.
@@zekerh8936 is agility "always" about fast?
@@avril5757 Always? Not necessarily. The tempo of the runs do play a major part on how hard and complex it is though. Meaning, not every run has to be fast, and not all agile singers necessarily do fast runs, it'll depend on their musicality. But singers with good agility should be able to handle mid-high tempo riffs and runs. The style of that run and the arrangement of that run also is an indication of how complex it is.
i watched this bcs i was really just curious (casually searched nct vocal rank)
as someone who knows nothing abt vocal techniques or whatever technicalities, i enjoyed watching this-it's funny how ppl who knows nothing, get mad with ppl who actually knows what they're doing. some people just really need to touch some grass lol
[these are just my opinion]
i'd possibly just ramble
going with nct's vocal, my views with their vocals actually go along with your rank. i ult nct, and i know most of them have weak points in terms of vocals. i was exposed with singers (at least) i somehow catch up on what's clean and what's not, or what/whose vocals are at "risks" if that makes sense; it's like you're on edge when they're singing you're not sure if they'll deliver or not. i'm kind of sensitive with sounds. i wince when i catch them (idols) sounding forced.
as a yuta stan, i still think he has weak vocals, it's his weak point but other than that i'm okay with him (i know he's still not confident with his vocals, i still love him☝️) i won't point anyone aside from him bcs some may think i'm a hater which i am not, i love the whole nct brand equally.
--but i understand their weak points bcs they're idols, their umm culture(?) only focus with some parts. it's like as long it's not sounding bad to ppl who doesn't have backgrounds with vocals, it's fine. same as dancing, as long as they cover other position it's fine.
and some vocals kpop in general are just boring to me (if that's appropriate for me to say as someone who knows nothing lol) i honestly think, only few in kpop actually sound good GOOD.
and yeah kpop recently is more focused with dancing
i probably uttered some nonsense, sorry
oh yeah why some vocals in kpop bore me-it's probably bcs i consider vocal tones more
So happy taeils come out of his regression
The most well-rounded with technique and everything is Taeil, then Doyoung with a very nice vibrato, one of the best in k-pop, but needs to work he's tenor voice and then the rest😊don't forget Xiaojun -the best singer in he's group.
What do you mean about Doyoung's need to improve his tenor's voice? He is a strong tenor vocalist in the group, he is the only one more engages in heady mix approach above his supported range to avoid vocal strain, and has the best upper register in the group.
i think jungwoo is a talented vocal, but sm is wasting it. he doesn't get many lines and they dont post any of his covers, and i'm sure he's recorded a few, seen as he is a singer.
6:31 why did you put xiaojun in jail 💀💀💀
The original video had him in jail i had no choice 💀
Can u do this for Exo?? Please!!
i'm not sure i'm able to i'm not familiar with all the members aside from chen, baekhyun, d.o and suho maybe but as far as i'm aware
chen > d.o > baekhyun >>>>>>> suho > chanyeol(?) > the rest
what do you think about jaehyun's new cover?
thanks for this!!!!
I come often to see if there are any interesting discussions but that hasn't been the case so far 😭. Well I'm kinda surprised weishennies got angrier apparently, I was expecting a lot more dreamzens getting offended by the ranking honestly.
Just a thought, is dream's SM's worst vocal line up so far? I don't really know all SM groups, but from what I remember none of them are as weak as them. I can't think of any other group lower on the list.
Yes, Dream is SM's worst vocal group, and WayV would be 2nd worst.
@@eddyjacx5622 that's kinda sad considering dream is much more vocal heavy (at least in the TTs) than 127... I was never really a fan of the group's discography primarily because I didn't enjoy the rap line. I can only take so much SM rapping and dream is no different (I love mark though), and the vocal line is not strong enough to carry the music imo.
@@findunjeu Why do you think they are more vocal heavy? No snark, just genuinely wondering, since I never got that impression. All 3 units have unrealistically high notes written into their titles.
@@eddyjacx5622 I don't mean it in the sense that they're more challenging vocally. Just that you're supposed to pay more attention to the vocals compared to the rap.
It's probably because dream's sound didn't really need the rap in their first TTs, and 127 uses more of it because their sound is more hiphop leaning.
They incorporate more rapping nowadays which is kind of a shame because I think I'd rather take more songs like mfal and chewing gum than glimo and hot sauce. I don't care if they're not strong singers, I prefer weak vocals over weak rap.
They're not that far apart in skill right? like they're mostly untrained singers so they could all be singers minus mark on the rapping. I honestly wish SM made the other rappers vocalists instead since they don't really need to be decent technical vocalists.
@@findunjeu Ok I see what you're saying, I agree. Jeno/Jaemin/Jisung are probably undeveloped, with everyone else (including Mark) somewhere in weak, so they could probably have just given them more songs like MFAL...it's not like kpop companies don't have the sound engineers to make everyone sound passable and in tune lol.
ah the good old days where crazy ass delulu stans who know nth about singing raids the comment section for saying the truth n only the truth about their vocal techniques
damn nct127 is kinda insane
do u think ull ever make an updated version or a jungwoo analysis video since hes gotten more time to showcase his vocals with dojaejung
if there is enough change in the ranking or their vocal technique then i'll make one. idk if i'll do a jungwoo analysis though. i don't usually do one for below average vocalists
@@himi_ would you consider doing an analysis on Dream now they’ve finished the tour & there is all that footage? I’m really curious because it seems like they, really improved over the last few years, & I’m wondering if he’s doing anything differently? For Chenle especially his dive into you adlibs have been a highlight of the tour for me.
To be clear while I love him I know he’s not a real technically strong vocalist, (I like his sound & his like, actual commitment to sing live over technical skill personally) so I’m not bashing your opinion!
Thanks for the video have a great day!
@@toolazyforaname77 i don't intend too. I don't really hear any significant improvement tbh. They are all really weak vocally
This is awesome thank you for making this! I'm rooting for my fave vocalist haechan to improve. I feel like he has a tendency to be pitchy sometimes and is inconsistent and strains a lot when trying to reproduce what he had to reach to do in studio (like on sticker/ favorite encore stage high notes he bends over to try to hit them and I'm like nooo bb idk much about singing but even i know that isn't it).
Thank you for making this kind of videos. Because you inlcude examples, it's easier to understand what is lack of support and what is nasality.
I would like to ask your opinion about the way neos improve/don't improve. Do you think the result is solely on them (depends on the amount of effort and hours of practice) or Korean vocal teachers might not explain well their mistakes, so neos don't know what and how to improve? (the older in age vocal teachers in academia are severely criticised by the younger vocal teachers in my country, some singers say they even have to relean everything after their graduation). As I understand, idols are not pushed to be better because there is no real need (they lipsink most of the time, the bar is low), however, there are members who want to improve and yet there is no noticeable progress in years. So how come?
There are a lot of factors improving and there's no clear-cut answer. it can depend. The majority of the members didn't improve most probably because their vocal coaches aren't teaching them correctly. And it's hard to improve when you have the basics down to begin with (and this is the case for the majority of the neos) because they have nowhere to start. No matter how hard you practice if you don't get the basics down there's only so much you can improve.
Members like Doyoung and Taeil had already established their vocal technique even prior to joining SM I believe. Doyoung already sounded solid from his high school clips and Taeil was a vocal major so surely he already had good vocal training. So that really helped them improve along the way. When you've already established proper breath support and stuff it's much easier to improve
That being said it can also depend on them. Doyoung went to receive a lot of vocal training from multiple vocal coaches prior to his musical, which helped him improve a lot. He would not be close to Taeil's level if he had not made those improvements
@@himi_ Thank you for the answer, you confirmed my suspicions. Some coaches in idol-survival shows really surprise me with their teaching approach. You meant to say "it's hard to improve when you don't have the basics down", right? Additional questions: 1) What could be the reason for Taeil's regression in 2019-2020? His health or smth psychological? (like the loss in KoMS), 2) If Doyoung improved thanks to the musical, why he was projecting better pre-debut? (his choir performance) Accumulated bad habits?, growing up and physical changes?, 3) What is the name for Jaehyun's tenor? I'd like to read more on it, 4) Do you think Doyoung was made to sing higher to separate Tende into three "levels"?
@@H_armiger ah yes that's what i was trying to say lol
1. I think overworking and his bad habits led to regression. He started to go for the nasal, whiny, and tight approach around 2019 and it kinda made him struggle to properly belt above G4 without being too tight. At one point Doyoung was arguably stronger because of Taeil's regression (and Doyoung was also improving). Fortunately he was able to overcome his regression. He still carries those bad habits from time to time but it's controllable now.
2. Doyoung for some reason became a bit stylistic right after debuting. I guess you could say it's his preference and also accumulated bad habits. Because he was keen on going for a very soft and breathy approach which really limited his abilities over time. He was able to handle G#4 really well during SM Rookies (as seen on the video 9:53) but after his debut he would struggle on a F#4 without being too tight or throaty sometimes (watch his old covers on their channel or their KOMS performances). And then sometime before musical, he was able to develop his chords strong enough and able to expand his supported range, fortunately. If we look at his overall technique he did improve. He would've been closer to Jaehyun than Taeil prior to his musicals imo. But yeah he still lacked the projection and chest coordination he used to have prior to debuting despite the improvements.
3. I am not sure about that sorry. I'm not very familiar with sub-class and stuff in vocal typing.
4. I don't get what you meant by three levels
@@himi_ Well, it's good to have Taeil recovered whatever the reason was for his regression. I do hear from other ppl that he is given parts that are difficult for his level and detrimental in a long run.
Doyoung once said that he didn't like that his voice wasn't easily recogniseable, plus he tends to do what public wants, so I suspect maybe his airy style was proposed early on by a teacher as desireable? He also used to be very hesitant singing on the spot, I'd guess some of his problems are psychological (tensing up, overthinking).
I know Doyoung is called a lyrical tenor. OK, I'll look up for an opinion about Jae's type elsewhere.
As for Tende. Pre-debut Doyoung sang in middle range more, I saw ppl saying it's his comfortable zone. However, from the get go if we take whole Tende songs, not partucular notes, it was Jaehyung - low, Taeil - middle, Doyoung - high. Like 3 different instruments.
where i can have the link for the make your day performance?
i think you can take a look at videos of jungwoo singing during his fansign since he sings more than 5 sec there 😂 i'd love to send you some but i can't put the links here 😢
Istg I wish the video was on Spanish because heck, the missinformation about the vocal line members in this side of the world is pretty huge and most of them don't even know English to try to educate them 😭
Anyway watching this again because I like the showcases, an update could be done maybe? Hehehe
I don't think there needs to be an update tbh, for the most part the information is correct. The only adjustment would be moving haechan to weak (according to himi).
Yeah it's pretty much the same minus Haechan. Ten should be weak as well rather than underdeveloped (the gap between them is pretty small
@@himi_ didn't you mentioned as well regretting not adding Mark and Yuta? Also yeah I was counting about ten placement and Haechan moving down to weak
Oh yeah them too but it's not like a big change either so yeah i prolly won't make an update
@@himi_ I see, also, btw, I left you a comment about 127 on another karaoke moment in your latest showcase, I'd love to know what you think about it if possible hahaha, personally I loved how Mark sounded
Ngl without Taeil nct’s vocal line wouldn’t be all that much, sad how nctzens don’t appreciate him like the other members when he quite frankly provides 90% of nct’s vocal credibility
I will disagree that without Taeil's vocal - nct's vocal line would not that much because Doyoung's vocal tier is same as Taeil, and also Doyoung did well in covering Taeil's high note in their latest concert.
@@MacmaxxVoczz vocal tears are fake as hell. I won’t disagree that doyoung is a good singer, I would classify him with Taeil (and xiaojun on a good day) as the only ones in NCT who can actually sing. But he’s not on par with Taeil. Those recording behind the scenes expose everything, he struggles quite a bit in comparison to Taeil.
And to be honest no one did justice to any of Taeil’s lines. Either they were lip syncing or singing over his back track and singing his notes in a lower tone or doing extra things that were very unnecessary. SM should have just let the backtrack play.
Taeil is basically the only irreplaceable member in NCT, and letting other NCT members sing his lines was quite disrespectful to me as if he also wasn’t preparing hard for this concert before someone ran him over
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@@MacmaxxVoczz well I disagree. You just seem like a desperate doyoung stan whose life mission it is to compare doyoung to Taeil when he falls behind in every vocal expect. Now good day to you
@anythingreally489 the irony is strong in this one. You basically sound like every other Taeik akgae who puts him on such a huge pedestal and is always so insecure that they need to belittle Doyoung's vocals every chance they get while having 0 knowledge in vocal pedagogy lol
Please leave. I don't entertain such a clownery energy
xiaojun is a top tier vocalist
Idk but my Chenle's vocal is my favorite in NCT. His voice is so soothing and calm. I really love his voice a lot.
Thank you for this
We could say ten is a high weak?
tell me when someones replies
I don’t think Ten is weak at all. If anything he should have been in average
@@C.J.Hamilton Yeah, no. He's def weak.
ranking was expected! thanks for compiling these.
Hi! Love the video~ just curious. Who is your favourite vocalist in nct? Your preference! Takecare ^^
Personal preference, I like Doyoung and Haechan's the most 😁
xiaojun should be ranked higher then this
does anyone know the song at 11:16 ? 😭🙏🏻
conextion by nct u
@@fleurdons3787 thank youuuuu
please please please tell me what was the performance at 9:53 😓😓😓😓
ua-cam.com/video/_1c4qWcZYCw/v-deo.html
I think the Chinese members have a different, lighter style because that's what's popular in Chinese pop. To be fair, most of these members aren't excellent, but I think Xiaojun is very underrated. He has a gorgeous voice and is a great dancer too.
My fave vocal in nct r: jungwoo, jaehyun, taeil, haechan!