Hey Techquickie: 4090s are showing up at repair shops with popped solder from the PCB bending. USE THE SUPPORT BRACKET and make it IT SUPPORTS THE FULL WEIGHT OF THE CARD.
Even worse, gigabyte cards are still cracking at a pretty high rate. I have a founders edition card and it’s incredibly rigid, I had no sag at all (verified with a level) but still installed a support. It definitely can’t hurt.
Honestly I've seen an OEM PC (Dell or HP can't remember) that had a really well designed GPU bar that goes from the back to front of the case. It provided support in all directions, not just down.
See I was worried about my graphics card sagging too much, thankfully the space between the card and the floor of my pc is the EXACT same height as a PSvita game case. So thank you Call of Duty black ops declassified, you’re finally pulling your weight.
I wouldn't be so chill about it - I suggest following GPU repair channels (Like Northwest Repair), you'll see plenty of ripped pads and cracked solder joints under both the core and memory chips, and sometimes even cracked PCBs with broken traces. I would not worry about the motherboard so much, but I would worry about the GPU considering a high end one costs more than the rest of the system these days.
Yeah these heavy ass fucking cards need to stop being a thing. The 1080 Ti Founder's Edition should be the universal standard for high end to even very high end graphics. 250 watt two-slot cards. Founder's Edition cards should preferably have a blower style cooler as well to better handle constrained environments, but it's not essential.
I had a co-worker back in the day lose a mobo because the graphics card caused damage. And that was back in the 10 series era, however, I don't know if that was caused by shearing forces from moving it or something. Maybe it's time to add anti-sagging features as stardand, whether you include it with the GPU or make it a case feature. @@arnox4554
@@AnEagle If you need a standard cooler, you can always buy from the many AIB partners. Founder's Edition cards though should always have blower style coolers to maximize versatility.
TBH it seems strange to me that riser cables aren't just a standard with these last two generations of GPUs. Also in places where earthquakes happen, stuff being shaken around is a question of when not if.
@@MindMasterz18 It only adds about a nanosecond so there's no way you can notice the difference, especially if you don't even have a screen with a ridiculously high refresh rate
@MtnNerd oh I agree 100% but even the idea that it can add some latency for those fanatics makes them not want to use it the more important issue is that vertical mounted gpus can struggle to get air as they can be right up against the side panel on a lot of cases.
Maybe adding more layers to the PCB and a beefier PCI-E slot shield with a sturdier and more reliable mounting mechanism would just do that for earthquakes but that would add a significant price to the motherboard and for something that may never will be used because not everyone puts a 2Kg GPU on their motherboard. Maybe only a super premium gaming enthusiast manufacturer would do that but not the average mid range motherboard manufacturers that most people go to.
When I upgraded to a 6700XT I went "wow this thing is huge", it's a dual fan, 2 slot Asrock card. A few weeks later I got to experience a 3090Ti and a 4080, insanity size...
We sure have come a looong way from the tiny, tiny, almost microscopic pci/agp cards I used to game with like the Nvidia Riva Tnt2. Graphic cards these days can knock somebody out if it falls on their head.
Is Riley the only one working over the Christmas / New Year period? I am imagining Riley running around LTT HQ all alone and touching all the things he normally isn't allowed to!
after watching a lot of gpu repair videos , i learned that most of the time a heavy gpu will damage it self (pcb ) not the motherbored , cracked solder joint under the memory chips near the pcie and under the core
Another option... have a case where the mobo is oriented horizontally. I have a Cooler Master HAF XB EVO. And yeah, it's a beast! But I love it. And I've never had to worry about GPU sag or PCI brackets cracking.
Cube case gang asemble!! I have an AeroCool XPredator Cube, is just great for weighty components and working on it is also super easy as I can take the entire mobo tray out.
Yep, fellow cuber here. I've got 2 of the CM HAF XB EVO and I don't think I'll ever get rid of them. Only thing I'd really like is some way to get USB-C on the front panel from the motherboard.
I built a new pc about 6 months ago and the case included a support bracket for the GPU. I used the bracket, seems like an easy way to avoid any potential damage.
I've had the PCIe lever break off after inserting and moving cards a few times...motherboard manufacturers really need to make them more durable or change the design.
I like the things you mentioned in this video. But I think it would be better to split these topics up into multiple videos. In the title, you only mentioned the GPU, so I was confused when you started talking about HDR.
it is more about your GPU cracking on the right side of its gold pins (where the PCI-e retention thingy is) and less about the PCI-e slot getting messed up.
The idea of burning in headphones has always been bullshit. I remember hearing about that long long ago. Heard it so much I almost thought maybe there was something to it, but never really did it for myself. Then my very well used headphones started struggling with a loose wire and I bought an exact replacement. Lo and behold, my new replacement headphones sounded exactly the same as the old one. Literally no discernible difference aside from the right headphone cutting out. Undoubtedly those who bought into the burn in myth bought different models a few times and thought burn in is why they always liked their previous headphones more than the new ones rather than mistaking their ears getting used to the sound.
Ive worked in sound for over 30 years and I've never heard seen (heard) anything credible about burn in on headphones. However, in larger drivers, especially subwoofers, it's absolutely a real thing and does make a difference all the way to the point where old woofers can become "bagged out".
I have made my own GPU support mounts for decades. From wood, plexiglass, mechanical nuts and bolts, and recently led light rod. I didnt have to see an article, I could instantly tell these pc components need additional support.
5:02 there's basically the same thing with a screen. I quite often try to raise the brightness of my new monitor (even when it's on its max brightness) when I'm in a dark area because the monitor I've been using before had little to no contrast due to being an absolute trash, TN, and SDR.
This vid reminded me of a very good question, and its on-topic: Why are the screw slots on GPUs "the wrong way"? If the GPU wants to not be held, it will just slide under the screw and possibly do something bad to the MB And if the screw slots were the opposite way, the GPUs weight would just push on a screw and nothing would happen
That's really weird, about the headphones. If anything, the fact that I get 'used' to the sound of my old headphones makes new ones always sound better to me because it's different and refreshing, even if the new pair isn't as good objectively. If your ears get used to how everything sounds, then wanting to go back to that stale sound again seems counter-intuitive.
"Brain Burn In" is 100% a real thing, and likely more significant in MOST cases than actual "burn in" but when I put on a pair of headphones for less than a full song, don't like how they sound, and leave them playing in a drawer over night, then after being sceptical of burn in noticed a BIG difference, explain to me then, that burn in isn't a thing. I bought these from a brick and mortar store, and being only a few days after purchase I was well within the return window if I didn't like them after burn in. (edit for clarity: Not ALL headphones have much, if ANY burn in period, but SOME really do seem to, as I described, but I've had other headphones where I knew immediately it was just that I was not accustomed to the sound signature, and I got used to them over time)
I recently upgraded my streacom bc1 test bench from a 3070 Ti to a 4090 and was amazed at the size difference. The GPU is larger than 360mm AIO cooler for the CPU. It makes me very grateful for the open and horizontal design of the test bench. It has enough space for the massive card and the weight pushes into the socket rather than trying to bend it. It’s also surprisingly compact. My full size ATX system fits into an IKEA 2x1 cube bookcase below my TV.
I added the GPU bracket because yeah, the thing was pretty freaking heavy. Seems like it needed one. But what really surprised me is the gigantic metal radiator on my CPU just hangs right on the motherboard. Kind of seems dumb.
because you have a pretty big backplate and 4 screws around that area. Everything just holds together like when you hang by your entire arm. But on a gpu, it just supported on one and a half side. Like you just hang by your fingers from a cliff. Pretty big difference of weight distribution
The cpu bracket has horizontal and vertical distance to spread the weight, that weight is on cpu mobo and backplate, the gpu is a single pcie slot with. I backplate or horizontal spread. Also look at the shape and position of pcie port
It's clamped on by 4 points that reinforce each other, on a normally vertical board that is anchored in several spots. You'd have to have a VERY heavy air cooler for it to even start to be an issue. Graphics card weight is placed heavily on the PCB itself from only two points by default (the PCIE slot and the case screwe) with all the weight perpendicular, which bends it, cracking solder balls and/or pads - NOT GOOD.
quick thing on the ¨burn in¨ nonsense. While it is true that the actual process is pretty much useless that doesn't mean that there is no merit to some of the testimonies. the reality is that ear pads greatly affect sound and of course if you wear your headphones for a long time then your ear pads will start to change over time. In some cases this can result in an improvement. For example the infamous dt990 from beyerdynamic are less harsh when used with older pads. This can go both ways tho. a pair of already solid headphones could become worse over time due to your pads. the HD6XX/600 come to mind.
The biggest point of support is actually the io shield area where it screws into the pci slots on the case. Manufacturers are the ones failing on proper build quality
I have a RTX 2080 and started randomly getting garbled windows screens that totally hung the system randomly at boot-time only. Noted my GPU had a very subtle angle and printed a stand-off. Has not happened since. apparently 3-slots worth of torqued screws isn't enough when the weight is so far away. So yes, modern GPUs are too heavy and only gotten heavier. I even totally disassembled system, cleaned GPU contacts with contact cleaner, issue came back later again, has not returned with the stand-off to help fully support the edge of the card furthest from the slot and PCI-E screws.
Btw on some GPUs that sag the solder on t he chips can lose contact if the chip is at the extreme bending point on the board after a gaming session and the GPU gets hot.
I'm an independent speaker listener and burning in a speaker is a real thing. Try a new speaker and let it play for at least 20h and you will hear it will play louder. Or you can always play at the loudest you want from the beginning but it will only brake your speakers. I did that with a ps4 controller speaker.
Buy a desktop case, not a tower. Never worry about sagging cards again. Also more space-efficient as you can put the monitor on top of it. Now, if only someone would make one with a decent number of drive bays...
The only tip for Audi I have, if you use a windows pc make sure you enable/turn on higher audio settings in the settings ! Maybe you can do a video on that ?
Not going to work if you've got an optical drive. What you really want is a desktop case. Unfortunately, they're pretty-much all made for HTPCs, and only have a couple of drive bays.
This video truly does not show the reality with these cards, you HAVE to support it PERIOD!!, Not only does it put strain on your motherboard having a heavy card inserted but cards are breaking with an alarmingly fast rate by cracking the GPU PCB itself from this weight right at the tab and when this cracks traces in the multilayer PCB bricks the whole card. GPU sag also damage and warp the GPU over time as well. you truly should take proper actions against this actual problem
i never understood why the industry ignored this issue, and it is an issue., i saw 1 brand crack in basically the same exact spot like 15 times in one video,. that only happens cuz of geometry of the load ,. a card slot can be as rock solid as one can be., all that means is all of that torque is delivered to the card., any asymmetrical load is bad, any movement worse.
Hard dislike on not discussing how the heavier cards are a risk to themselves first and foremost: I know this is techquickie, but please at least advise people to mount vertically, or at least install support brackets, instead of just showing how newer boards have reinforced slots, since those just ensure the GPU's PCB will break first instead!
I had issues for months, kept getting black screen crashes . I tried everything until I figured out I had to place my tower horizontally. I suspect either my GPU sag or motherboard wear from heavy load
When it comes to tvs turn up the contrast on the main picture settings it will brighten up the picture need a little more go to advanced settings and then up active contrast to low or medium. It your tv you pick the beat settings for yourself.
I feel like if your graphics card falls out of your computer's mobo, I feel like it's a manufacturing error at that point with the slot itself or the soldering under the pcie slot needs rework. I work with solder on a daily basis and if something falls out of place, I know for a fact I messed up.
Got a chonky XFX 6800XT - not the biggest out there but by far the heaviest card I've had. I mounted it vertically just because if frankly seems safer.
I had to angle grind part of the hard drive cage of an original Antec Three Hundred to fit a 2070 Super A couple of years later I bought a Rog Strix, and realised I hadn't ground enough away...
I'm owning just a 6950XT and after installation the card was sagging a centimeter after just 3-4hrs. It would totally rip my board apart without getting bumbed up...
5:00 one potential benefit of doing those burn in tests is if theres any major manufacturing faults its most likely going to trip them and kill the earphones/headset quick enough for you to have a lot less issue with claiming warranty. Particularly before you end up tossing the box and having the receipt buried in with other warranty information/dockets.
I've had a EVGA GTX 1080 for several years now and I didn't know that it needed to be screwed into the case... it's just been resting on the screw in the slot directly below. Thanks to 1:25 I'm now looking for the screw in the motherboard's box from 2016😐
Um those screws are bog standard and you likely have a dozen of them in your case. If nothing else pull 1 screw out of your psu you only need 2 screws in a psu of a comp that is not being moved around in fact many cases only use 2 screws
I've also heard that one should turn the volume of the system (eg. on Windows) to the max, and use the volume control of the headset (eg. a knob) to control the final volume instead, to get the fullest dynamic range. Is that true? Or does it make little difference in reality?
Some improperly designed audio devices (like cheap phones) sound worse when at their limit, so I'd make sure the highest volume actually works well. But other than that I think it makes sense because analog volume controls are much more precise than the 10-20 levels that most systems support.
Let's be honest, if you have the money to spend on one of theese crazy bricks but don't vertically mount it you're asking for trouble, it's worth it to spend the extra and be safe about it imo.
If you have a 40 series, friendly reminder to be careful when plugging your motherboard into your graphics card.
😂
Don't forget to be extra careful when putting the case on the motherboard afterward.
That is fucking hilarious, take my like
At least we have a a god-sized brick to plug in :)
4060 enters the chat 🤡
Hey Techquickie: 4090s are showing up at repair shops with popped solder from the PCB bending. USE THE SUPPORT BRACKET and make it IT SUPPORTS THE FULL WEIGHT OF THE CARD.
Even worse, gigabyte cards are still cracking at a pretty high rate. I have a founders edition card and it’s incredibly rigid, I had no sag at all (verified with a level) but still installed a support. It definitely can’t hurt.
Honestly I've seen an OEM PC (Dell or HP can't remember) that had a really well designed GPU bar that goes from the back to front of the case. It provided support in all directions, not just down.
They literally explained why it might happen and why you shouldn't worry too much, never said that it was impossible to happen.
If the card is triple slot as long as it’s screwed correctly it’ll be perfectly fine without any external support
@@ajsrf Unless the user is receiving a completed build that is.
See I was worried about my graphics card sagging too much, thankfully the space between the card and the floor of my pc is the EXACT same height as a PSvita game case. So thank you Call of Duty black ops declassified, you’re finally pulling your weight.
that game case is gonna have more hours on it then the actual Vita did.
Hopefully not
good job
me with a laptop:
@@Bloxerlol
That profile picture is perfect for your comment.
Absolutely perfect.
@@DoggoWaffle👍
I wouldn't be so chill about it - I suggest following GPU repair channels (Like Northwest Repair), you'll see plenty of ripped pads and cracked solder joints under both the core and memory chips, and sometimes even cracked PCBs with broken traces. I would not worry about the motherboard so much, but I would worry about the GPU considering a high end one costs more than the rest of the system these days.
Yeah these heavy ass fucking cards need to stop being a thing. The 1080 Ti Founder's Edition should be the universal standard for high end to even very high end graphics. 250 watt two-slot cards. Founder's Edition cards should preferably have a blower style cooler as well to better handle constrained environments, but it's not essential.
@@arnox4554blower styles also run hotter, so meh
I had a co-worker back in the day lose a mobo because the graphics card caused damage. And that was back in the 10 series era, however, I don't know if that was caused by shearing forces from moving it or something. Maybe it's time to add anti-sagging features as stardand, whether you include it with the GPU or make it a case feature. @@arnox4554
@@AnEagle If you need a standard cooler, you can always buy from the many AIB partners. Founder's Edition cards though should always have blower style coolers to maximize versatility.
TBH it seems strange to me that riser cables aren't just a standard with these last two generations of GPUs. Also in places where earthquakes happen, stuff being shaken around is a question of when not if.
Most likely because risers add latency and some people dont want that
@@MindMasterz18 It only adds about a nanosecond so there's no way you can notice the difference, especially if you don't even have a screen with a ridiculously high refresh rate
@MtnNerd oh I agree 100% but even the idea that it can add some latency for those fanatics makes them not want to use it the more important issue is that vertical mounted gpus can struggle to get air as they can be right up against the side panel on a lot of cases.
Maybe adding more layers to the PCB and a beefier PCI-E slot shield with a sturdier and more reliable mounting mechanism would just do that for earthquakes but that would add a significant price to the motherboard and for something that may never will be used because not everyone puts a 2Kg GPU on their motherboard. Maybe only a super premium gaming enthusiast manufacturer would do that but not the average mid range motherboard manufacturers that most people go to.
@@MrLind87 Realistically all that needs to happen is gpu manufactures just need to start sending a adjustable support for the far end of the gpu
When I upgraded to a 6700XT I went "wow this thing is huge", it's a dual fan, 2 slot Asrock card. A few weeks later I got to experience a 3090Ti and a 4080, insanity size...
i went from dual fan MSI 1050Ti to ROG STRIX VEGA 64, that thing is monstrous compared to that little 1050
I went from MSI 1660S dual fan to PowerColor Red Devil RX 6700 XT and the difference is huggeeee 😂😂😂
I went from 2xfan 1660 ti to 3xfan 7800xt, jesus christ
My first GPU was my 3080, and to me this thing is pretty massive. Seeing pictures of the 4090 dwarfing it is just insanity
Went from a 1ü50ti to a rx 6900xt and boy was it huge. Im scared of the future cards
-is YOUR graphics card going to fall out?
-""It may. but you know what won't, this segue to our sponsor"
If my iGPU falls out I'd be impressed.
We sure have come a looong way from the tiny, tiny, almost microscopic pci/agp cards I used to game with like the Nvidia Riva Tnt2. Graphic cards these days can knock somebody out if it falls on their head.
Graphic blocks. Video bricks.
Is Riley the only one working over the Christmas / New Year period? I am imagining Riley running around LTT HQ all alone and touching all the things he normally isn't allowed to!
after watching a lot of gpu repair videos , i learned that most of the time a heavy gpu will damage it self (pcb ) not the motherbored , cracked solder joint under the memory chips near the pcie and under the core
For "HDR" you can turn the lights down a bit. But maybe they shouldn't list it on LCD TVs with back-light based dimming?
Another option... have a case where the mobo is oriented horizontally.
I have a Cooler Master HAF XB EVO. And yeah, it's a beast! But I love it. And I've never had to worry about GPU sag or PCI brackets cracking.
I have a server case :)
I've had 2 of those chassis. Love em. Only downside is their footprint on the desk. Horizontal motherboards are so nice to work with.
@@Sassquatch0 Yeah, for sure. Mine is on the floor.
Cube case gang asemble!!
I have an AeroCool XPredator Cube, is just great for weighty components and working on it is also super easy as I can take the entire mobo tray out.
Yep, fellow cuber here. I've got 2 of the CM HAF XB EVO and I don't think I'll ever get rid of them. Only thing I'd really like is some way to get USB-C on the front panel from the motherboard.
I built a new pc about 6 months ago and the case included a support bracket for the GPU. I used the bracket, seems like an easy way to avoid any potential damage.
Get a horizontal computer case if your GPU is extremely heavy or a riser where you can mount your GPU away from the PCIE slot to be safe.
or keep your case horizontal, which is what I have done 😂
reduces load from both the cpu cooler and the gpu
@CapriciousBibekk Yes, the CPU cooler no one tested if it cools better as the full weight of the CPU cooler now rests on the CPU.
@@wolfbrave4866 Is there evidence it would ever need to be tested or that the cooling performance would be measurably different?
I've had the PCIe lever break off after inserting and moving cards a few times...motherboard manufacturers really need to make them more durable or change the design.
I like the things you mentioned in this video. But I think it would be better to split these topics up into multiple videos. In the title, you only mentioned the GPU, so I was confused when you started talking about HDR.
it is more about your GPU cracking on the right side of its gold pins (where the PCI-e retention thingy is) and less about the PCI-e slot getting messed up.
The idea of burning in headphones has always been bullshit. I remember hearing about that long long ago. Heard it so much I almost thought maybe there was something to it, but never really did it for myself. Then my very well used headphones started struggling with a loose wire and I bought an exact replacement. Lo and behold, my new replacement headphones sounded exactly the same as the old one. Literally no discernible difference aside from the right headphone cutting out. Undoubtedly those who bought into the burn in myth bought different models a few times and thought burn in is why they always liked their previous headphones more than the new ones rather than mistaking their ears getting used to the sound.
Gratifying, Riley! 😎✌️
(And 🎧 "burn in" is making the rounds AGAIN? 🤣 Splendid!)
Honestly I didn't buy vertical mount for esthetics but for weight distribution and for less strain on the melting cable
Oh no that's what they call that. A melting cable! Is it a graphics card or a new Pokemon?
Ive worked in sound for over 30 years and I've never heard seen (heard) anything credible about burn in on headphones.
However, in larger drivers, especially subwoofers, it's absolutely a real thing and does make a difference all the way to the point where old woofers can become "bagged out".
I have made my own GPU support mounts for decades. From wood, plexiglass, mechanical nuts and bolts, and recently led light rod. I didnt have to see an article, I could instantly tell these pc components need additional support.
5:02 there's basically the same thing with a screen. I quite often try to raise the brightness of my new monitor (even when it's on its max brightness) when I'm in a dark area because the monitor I've been using before had little to no contrast due to being an absolute trash, TN, and SDR.
This vid reminded me of a very good question, and its on-topic:
Why are the screw slots on GPUs "the wrong way"?
If the GPU wants to not be held, it will just slide under the screw and possibly do something bad to the MB
And if the screw slots were the opposite way, the GPUs weight would just push on a screw and nothing would happen
That's really weird, about the headphones. If anything, the fact that I get 'used' to the sound of my old headphones makes new ones always sound better to me because it's different and refreshing, even if the new pair isn't as good objectively. If your ears get used to how everything sounds, then wanting to go back to that stale sound again seems counter-intuitive.
"Brain Burn In" is 100% a real thing, and likely more significant in MOST cases than actual "burn in" but when I put on a pair of headphones for less than a full song, don't like how they sound, and leave them playing in a drawer over night, then after being sceptical of burn in noticed a BIG difference, explain to me then, that burn in isn't a thing. I bought these from a brick and mortar store, and being only a few days after purchase I was well within the return window if I didn't like them after burn in.
(edit for clarity: Not ALL headphones have much, if ANY burn in period, but SOME really do seem to, as I described, but I've had other headphones where I knew immediately it was just that I was not accustomed to the sound signature, and I got used to them over time)
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@@_Juke_ except that would be a lot more likely if o was EXPECTING a difference, I was very skeptical at the time.
I recently upgraded my streacom bc1 test bench from a 3070 Ti to a 4090 and was amazed at the size difference. The GPU is larger than 360mm AIO cooler for the CPU.
It makes me very grateful for the open and horizontal design of the test bench. It has enough space for the massive card and the weight pushes into the socket rather than trying to bend it.
It’s also surprisingly compact. My full size ATX system fits into an IKEA 2x1 cube bookcase below my TV.
I put a slight bit of upward force before I screw the car down so that when the weight is returned it sags to level
I added the GPU bracket because yeah, the thing was pretty freaking heavy. Seems like it needed one. But what really surprised me is the gigantic metal radiator on my CPU just hangs right on the motherboard. Kind of seems dumb.
That's a very good point nobody ever talks about lol
because you have a pretty big backplate and 4 screws around that area. Everything just holds together like when you hang by your entire arm.
But on a gpu, it just supported on one and a half side. Like you just hang by your fingers from a cliff.
Pretty big difference of weight distribution
So you've never built a pc before huh
The cpu bracket has horizontal and vertical distance to spread the weight, that weight is on cpu mobo and backplate, the gpu is a single pcie slot with. I backplate or horizontal spread. Also look at the shape and position of pcie port
It's clamped on by 4 points that reinforce each other, on a normally vertical board that is anchored in several spots. You'd have to have a VERY heavy air cooler for it to even start to be an issue. Graphics card weight is placed heavily on the PCB itself from only two points by default (the PCIE slot and the case screwe) with all the weight perpendicular, which bends it, cracking solder balls and/or pads - NOT GOOD.
quick thing on the ¨burn in¨ nonsense. While it is true that the actual process is pretty much useless that doesn't mean that there is no merit to some of the testimonies. the reality is that ear pads greatly affect sound and of course if you wear your headphones for a long time then your ear pads will start to change over time. In some cases this can result in an improvement. For example the infamous dt990 from beyerdynamic are less harsh when used with older pads. This can go both ways tho. a pair of already solid headphones could become worse over time due to your pads. the HD6XX/600 come to mind.
The biggest point of support is actually the io shield area where it screws into the pci slots on the case. Manufacturers are the ones failing on proper build quality
It certianly can, especially in a prebuilt sent through the mail.
There is brackets for your GPU too.
My computer is in a Hyte Y60 case.
that means a riser and vertical mount not mounted directly to the MB.
Best case I ever had!😎
Thanks for the tips!
I have a RTX 2080 and started randomly getting garbled windows screens that totally hung the system randomly at boot-time only. Noted my GPU had a very subtle angle and printed a stand-off. Has not happened since. apparently 3-slots worth of torqued screws isn't enough when the weight is so far away. So yes, modern GPUs are too heavy and only gotten heavier. I even totally disassembled system, cleaned GPU contacts with contact cleaner, issue came back later again, has not returned with the stand-off to help fully support the edge of the card furthest from the slot and PCI-E screws.
I went with a horizontal case to avert this issue entirely.
AMD/Nvidia need to work on a ATX case standard for supporting the cards toward the front
Btw on some GPUs that sag the solder on t he chips can lose contact if the chip is at the extreme bending point on the board after a gaming session and the GPU gets hot.
I'm an independent speaker listener and burning in a speaker is a real thing. Try a new speaker and let it play for at least 20h and you will hear it will play louder. Or you can always play at the loudest you want from the beginning but it will only brake your speakers. I did that with a ps4 controller speaker.
You're not independent, you're incompetent.
3:45 frick we finally bought a 4k hdr tv back in july after having a 1080p for years just checked ours its 200 nits 😢
Buy a desktop case, not a tower. Never worry about sagging cards again. Also more space-efficient as you can put the monitor on top of it.
Now, if only someone would make one with a decent number of drive bays...
The only tip for Audi I have, if you use a windows pc make sure you enable/turn on higher audio settings in the settings ! Maybe you can do a video on that ?
lol....its funny seeing "Litle Riley" pop up and lean out.
I don't have to worry about graphics card sag in my system. My graphics card is mounted in a bracket that's separate from the board.
Nice tell us more
Or mount them vertically. Or turn the case horizontally sideways or vertical.
Not going to work if you've got an optical drive. What you really want is a desktop case. Unfortunately, they're pretty-much all made for HTPCs, and only have a couple of drive bays.
Ummmm buying the high end gpus is where the guarentee it won't break your MB comes from....most of them come with support brackets of some sort
This video truly does not show the reality with these cards, you HAVE to support it PERIOD!!, Not only does it put strain on your motherboard having a heavy card inserted but cards are breaking with an alarmingly fast rate by cracking the GPU PCB itself from this weight right at the tab and when this cracks traces in the multilayer PCB bricks the whole card. GPU sag also damage and warp the GPU over time as well. you truly should take proper actions against this actual problem
the burn-in theory you mention with the headphones is actually a thing you do with studio monitors, in sound studios and more
Who said studios are immune to placebo?
The sag is so bad on my 3080 that the pcb is actually warped...
Buying a vertical mount helped a lot.
I remember Asus HD 6900 DCU2 series having temp problems back in the day because of sagging.
i never understood why the industry ignored this issue, and it is an issue., i saw 1 brand crack in basically the same exact spot like 15 times in one video,. that only happens cuz of geometry of the load ,. a card slot can be as rock solid as one can be., all that means is all of that torque is delivered to the card., any asymmetrical load is bad, any movement worse.
Bring back desktop cases with lots of drive bays!
Hard dislike on not discussing how the heavier cards are a risk to themselves first and foremost: I know this is techquickie, but please at least advise people to mount vertically, or at least install support brackets, instead of just showing how newer boards have reinforced slots, since those just ensure the GPU's PCB will break first instead!
i supported my gpu with a pencil just in case
I hope you used a #2 pencil otherwise it was have trouble rending the circles correctly.
you could be experiencing as much as 5% dropped frames!
@@ilovefunnyamv2nd i used a number three to increase my performance by 2.6%
Nah, I have a cube case with a lying down MOBO!!
I had issues for months, kept getting black screen crashes . I tried everything until I figured out I had to place my tower horizontally. I suspect either my GPU sag or motherboard wear from heavy load
I don't have to worry about this. My GPU sits upright because my motherboard is lying flat in my TT Core V21 case.
This is why the Labs will be so useful. Once they get it off the ground.
When it comes to tvs turn up the contrast on the main picture settings it will brighten up the picture need a little more go to advanced settings and then up active contrast to low or medium. It your tv you pick the beat settings for yourself.
Don't think so, with my laptop RTX 4080 but thanks anyway Riley 😂
Burning in headphones...😂
I want to know which idiot came up with that one.
Didn't make sense to me either😆😆😆
I just use some toothpicks as legs to support it. With a touch of scotch tape to hold them on.
I printed a support and sag-be-gone.
I feel like if your graphics card falls out of your computer's mobo, I feel like it's a manufacturing error at that point with the slot itself or the soldering under the pcie slot needs rework. I work with solder on a daily basis and if something falls out of place, I know for a fact I messed up.
Got a chonky XFX 6800XT - not the biggest out there but by far the heaviest card I've had. I mounted it vertically just because if frankly seems safer.
I had to angle grind part of the hard drive cage of an original Antec Three Hundred to fit a 2070 Super
A couple of years later I bought a Rog Strix, and realised I hadn't ground enough away...
My 3090 had a memorymodule fail due to sagging. The memorymodule the nearest on the PCie slot was damagded and had to be replaced,
My RTX 4070 is not screwed in my Asus TUF B660M for 3 years already
I think you meant RTX 3070 😅
Made me a little confused lol
im finally getting a new gpu after having a 1050ti for almost 4 years
Nice, what card are you getting
Congrats bro
Nice to hear, I'm still rocking my 1060. What card are you upgrading to?
Same bro im copping a 30 or 40 series one
I wouldn't trust the those sockets, it's plastic soldered on something non-metal. Still would use a lift if ever needed.
We do live in an age where quality is almost non existent. I have never had this issue but if you made a vid about it it must happen.
I'm owning just a 6950XT and after installation the card was sagging a centimeter after just 3-4hrs. It would totally rip my board apart without getting bumbed up...
But what about CPU's? I've heard that if heat sink is too big and heavy it also can warp circuit board, tho nobody sells heat sink supports, I think.
Techquickie should do an episode on how to disable the spying on their TV.
Reminds me of a water cooled Radeon 6990 I had, the water-block easily weighed over 5 lbs
5:00 one potential benefit of doing those burn in tests is if theres any major manufacturing faults its most likely going to trip them and kill the earphones/headset quick enough for you to have a lot less issue with claiming warranty.
Particularly before you end up tossing the box and having the receipt buried in with other warranty information/dockets.
The new ear pad foam is stiff so it doesn't seal the ear as good as it will later....
these days when comes to parts compatibilities for pc built i first consider the case and the gpu the mightiest will it fit ? they got too massive
Techquickie that's 3 Techquickie(s)?
I've had a EVGA GTX 1080 for several years now and I didn't know that it needed to be screwed into the case... it's just been resting on the screw in the slot directly below. Thanks to 1:25 I'm now looking for the screw in the motherboard's box from 2016😐
Um those screws are bog standard and you likely have a dozen of them in your case. If nothing else pull 1 screw out of your psu you only need 2 screws in a psu of a comp that is not being moved around in fact many cases only use 2 screws
I don’t think that it’s going to be a problem any time soon if it wasn’t at any point in the last 7 years 😂
Also: Hail to the 1080 king, baby!
mount your cpu fan horizontally. and use integrated graphics.
I know one case that 4090 chip was ripped during transportation and had to be resoldered
Vertical GPU Mount will fix that.
No, I unscrewed the lid and held it upside down and shook it to make sure it wasn't going to fall out! (I learned that from Sarah!)
Ive had to but a 4k max firestick to allow HDR to be turned off, as it looks ass on my Hisense TV.
I've also heard that one should turn the volume of the system (eg. on Windows) to the max, and use the volume control of the headset (eg. a knob) to control the final volume instead, to get the fullest dynamic range.
Is that true? Or does it make little difference in reality?
I do this just for convenience😆😆😆
Some improperly designed audio devices (like cheap phones) sound worse when at their limit, so I'd make sure the highest volume actually works well.
But other than that I think it makes sense because analog volume controls are much more precise than the 10-20 levels that most systems support.
Who doesn't love Riley goofing around!
They should work on making more powerful gpus lighter and smaller , they getting massive now.
Let's be honest, if you have the money to spend on one of theese crazy bricks but don't vertically mount it you're asking for trouble, it's worth it to spend the extra and be safe about it imo.
Can't we have just have graphics cards with a slot the full length of the mainboard for support rather than half or less. Simple right?
Vertical GPU mounts for the win!
Heavy Boi
Those anti sag brackets are for older, less lively graphics cards.
That's why i put my display cable into the motherboard 😊
I hope to one day hear an unbridled rant about the layers of BAD behind the idea of burn in. I volunteer Dan as tribute.
Who says watercooling is useless now haha.
Cool. thanks for the entertainment !
Riley has BURNT IN good info into my pea-brain.
Blessings.